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Also in response to Anita’s post:
Where you said, “I “hear” a little girl Stacy saying something like: I thought that I was finally Special enough/ worthy enough for someone to have a deep connection with me.” I definitely agree with the entirety of your post connecting that this relationship made me feel seen and special, and it was what I desperately wanted from my parents. However, I have had many guys try to give me attention and tell me I’m special/I’m worthy, etc. but I wasn’t attracted to them or in love with them. I’ve dated many guys and have never felt such safety as I did in this one. For me to get those unmet needs fulfilled finally by a guy I was genuinely attracted to and who claimed it was completely mutual and they seemed so self-aware and emotionally safe as a person because they were always willing to talk things out and take accountability AND be so calm and understanding to me? I just can’t shake the loss and it does seem like it was a once in a lifetime type of connection. And that I sabotaged it by being too paranoid and projecting trust issues on him. And by being really negative about my life in July.
But that’s IF the breakup was even due to him being annoyed by my self-sabotaging or negative behavior. If it was truly reduced down to sexual incompatibility, that’s even more humiliating. After the slapping request, nothing ever felt the same because deep down I started worrying he wasn’t being fulfilled. The moments where he started mentioning how something was sexy about a woman or a sexual scenario made me worry I wasn’t measuring up and keeping him interested. Most of the time, he would mention those scenarios and then say I would be hot as that person, or it would be hot for us to do this or that, and THAT didn’t bother me. I was flattered to be included in these fantasies. But some of the fantasies are not my cup of tea and I worried like you said earlier, that his dark side was coming out. I will say this and I’m not sure if I’ve mentioned it here before or not but the last time we hung out and he said his deepest sexual fantasy was to bang a succubus, he said, “I don’t know what that says about me as a person” and laughed. I try to not judge because everyone has their preferences, and I just replied, “Well humans can have animalistic urges sometimes and I understand that it’s nothing personal against me” He responded with, “I just blame my past porn brain for that.” And I said, “well it’s only when these things AREN’T lined up with me and it makes me still worry.” And he said, “No I get it. You aren’t into that stuff because you’re a good girl. And that’s fine, I’m a good boy.” It was just incredibly weird to me for him to say that. Like I said, with the frequent seemingly harmless and light teasing about how he wished I were mean to him, and how I was a good girl/goodie two shoes, it’s hard to not take that personally and start dissecting if he really WAS bothered by me not being more “deviant” because then he’d turn around and acknowledge how much he likes me. Why did he say “I’m a good boy” after that, that day? Like you mentioned earlier, I do worry that he was perhaps always dealing with conflicting appetites here. I guess now he is free to have all the emotionally bankrupt sex he wants to have. If that’s what this boils down to. And I hate that I can’t hate him for that because I understand some people are much more sexually driven that I am. I don’t even really ever think about sex and that’s probably part of my problem. Connection comes first to me, sex is at the bottom of my priority list.
His ADHD was a big struggle for him and I’ve heard from others with ADHD that it’s truly an object permanence issue sometimes and if we are long distance, I can see him falling out of love due to this.
Also where you said that I may feel insignificant to him as a blip on his map like I was on my parent’s map? I do agree that I did not feel special to my parents, only in moments here and there. I know they loved me but I also don’t feel like I was a blip on their maps. What I was referring to
StacyParticipantThank you, Helcat and Anita for your responses. Sorry for the delay.
In response to Helcat’s post: I am not doing well at all. Today is the official one year anniversary of the day we met on Hinge last year. To rub salt in the wound, this is also the week his parents are out of town in Italy and he had invited me months ago to take a week off of work with him this week to finally get some substantial time together and enjoy our first anniversary together. Not only that but I’ve been trying so hard to decide to go no contact with him and was going to try to do it soon but he told me yesterday that his dad had a heart attack two days into their trip to Italy and that he was hospitalized for a bit. I may be looking for excuses to prolong the disconnection, but I really just don’t think NOW is the best time to tell him I can’t talk to him anymore. But I am also a bit bitter that he’s still reaching out to me for support when he cut me out of his life and his parent’s life who loved me. I understand that a friend can support someone but it just hurts that I feel bad for his dad and I care about him only for me to know I’ll never even see his family that I was really welcome with again anyway. I told myself that I had to go no contact within the next week or so because my expectations for what this transition into friendship was going to be are not what I thought they were gonna be. He made it out to seem like he couldn’t live without me and we were best friends and he said he wanted us to figure things out together and support each other after the breakup. I understand the code change is hard and he has no obligation to me now and that sending too many messages would be mixed messages, but I’ve been reduced to like one reel or meme a day now… this isn’t what I thought the “friendship” was gonna entail and all this is doing is torturing me knowing that I have that pit in my stomach daily to check his social media and obsess over his following count going up (which it has by one). Or him posting a photo or story, or him untagging himself in our photos on his profile, I would be further crushed. The only way I’ve been trying to cope with it is by just going to work as usual to distract myself, but it’s not helped. I’ve just been a basket case and crying at work every day. When I am this down, literally nothing helps me.
I just feel like I pushed him too far and he gave up because he felt like his best he was capable of wasn’t good enough for me and he was tired of being FaceTimed regularly to talk about something that was worrying me about us, or my health anxiety or negativity got too much for him and he lost passion in me. Literally the night before he dumped me, he told me on FaceTime when I was asking him about if he was okay (because he seemed a little off with me), he said, “no it’s okay. I understand that every time we go a couple weeks without seeing each other, you just need that reassurance from me that everything is okay and it is.” Why would someone care so much and then just give up the next day? Not only that, but I worry a lot that the July wedding trip really affected him because he really wanted me to go and when I didn’t because of the weed situation, he had a moment of realization there that he was not gonna be able to go much further with me having this level of incompatibility. I realize weed bothers me on a physical level I can’t help, but it’s also really making me feel guilty for not picking my battles here. I feel like I may have lost someone really special because of a lifestyle difference. I also feel bad for being so upset and jealous over the liking of other women’s sexy photos. He felt boxed in and like he couldn’t have friends. But that one girl he liked thirst traps over was an old Tinder connection so it’s hard to not be jealous. A lot of women wouldn’t even tolerate a guy still talking to an old Tinder match. Or maybe they wouldn’t care? I just feel like this is a lot of my fault now though. Also, I don’t even know if he has a porn addiction, or if that if him being sexually unsatisfied was the main reason for leaving me. Or the sexual incompatibility that I wasn’t made aware of. The only time he ever even asked for me to do something I was uncomfortable with was the slapping thing and he asked that calmly and respected my boundary when I told him I didn’t want to perpetuate his childhood wounds during sex (which he didn’t agree was the reason for his interest in it). And the thing about the trans friend he was out late with, he’s super liberal and it tracks for him to protect a pronoun and not disrespect someone behind their back. The future talk, he never formally brought it up but the last time I was there I told him to please not joke about me moving there (because he did) unless he was serious. And he said he was. I just smiled because it made me feel good but I didn’t press the matter once again because I wasn’t wanting to make him uncomfortable. I just CANNOT wrap my head around this guy being purposely deceitful to me. Uncomfortable and avoidant? Yes, I can see that being a reason for not being honest, but with that, I don’t see a villain either.
I’m worried that my finding of the trans person’s social media has made me connect dots and assumptions that are not even there or the problem. The timing of their hire at his workplace, the fact they express themselves pretty much exactly like his fantasies and are extremely dominant and sexual, they smoke weed, etc., and he was hanging out with them the night before our big weekend, though is very ironic. Perhaps it would be easier to let him go if I knew that he really just dumped his first serious and committed relationship over sexual preferences. I understand every human has different priorities but to throw me away over that feels cheap to me.
And again about him lying about not liking photos, he admitted to me on the breakup night that he didn’t want to set himself up for failure by saying he won’t ever do that again because how is he supposed to know what is going to trigger me? I told him the obviously half-naked photos/thirst traps, but he has a point – even at this point, a harmless selfie of a pretty girl is going to send me over the edge in hurt. I worry I am the problem because of this. I don’t know if I am warranted in being so hurt over him liking photos. I can’t be sure and if he was lying, and he actually does have a bigger appetite for sex that got even more tested with the new super sexually liberated coworker he went out with and it trumps the love and comfort of me, I can’t change that he fell out of love with me over it.
StacyParticipantHi, Anita.
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I totally agree that shame seems to be ruling and ruining his life. I didn’t mention it in my original post but before the kink shame request even happened, he was already joking with me and seemingly trying to get me to be mean to him in various other ways early on. He’d say, “be mean to me” or “I just like to be teased, I wish you would be mean to me.” I laughed it off at first but then worried that he was still dealing with being hung up on the girl who cheated on him before he got with me. When he first brought up his ex situationship, he told me he wasn’t necessarily hung up on her, it was the shame he felt from allowing himself to be played and cheated on. I tried to believe him but for the rest of our relationship, I couldn’t help but worry that every time he wanted me to “be mean” to him, he was trying to work out getting over her rejection in some way. I have worried this whole time that I was the rebound from that situation and he just played me to get back at her and prove to himself he can keep attention, even if he doesn’t even really love or like me. I have worried this whole time too that this could be a running theme with him as I also started slowly noticing that every time I would try to initiate sexting, flirting with him, hitting on him, or just telling him I’d give him a massage or something soon when he’d complain about his feet hurting him from work that he would either deflect my advances or flat out ignore them and change the subject. This is an extremely sore spot for me as men have done this to me in the past as they were losing interest. Therefore, I started expressing to him that I was worried about him not actually liking me anymore, if there were any issues he was having that was blocking intimacy for him, etc. He always reassured me so earnestly that he loved me and that we were a team and he was happy with me but that he was awkward with compliments and gestures. I didn’t fully believe this as he seemed opened to receive this kind of attention at the beginning.
The explanation you gave about his shame kink was also something I considered. The night when we first FaceTimed about the slapping during sex suggestion, I told him I didn’t want to act it out with him sexually partially because I worried it was playing out his trauma. I even said I didn’t want to psychoanalyze him considering he’s lived his whole life with parents that do this, but that I worried it was because he wasn’t being fulfilled by me. He told me that wasn’t what it was, he just thought it could be something fun. I told him I could be open to it in the future, but apparently he couldn’t wait? I don’t know. Months later, we brought up his fantasies again and he said, “Okay so I have been thinking about why I like that.” (I always loved how self-aware he seemed and that he would ponder his behavior). He explained it’s not anything to do with shame kinks, that he doesn’t actually want me to call him stupid or a loser. He said it was more like the lowly pool boy scenario who somehow seduces the older rich woman into his sexual advances. It’s the thought of being a loser and being able to win someone better than you over sexually. I shook my head… as this sounded way too on the nose yet again with a callback to his feelings of inadequacy. Not only that, but all of his fantasies are never about women like me. I told him this. He said that he can be attracted to more than one type of woman, but it was still really was starting to wear on my confidence. I was born and am still poverty level, he was born upper middle class. I’m mostly loving and nice, but I tried to sprinkle in jokingly mean teases to please him. I forgot to mention that we talked about our sexual preferences early on, and there seemed to be no issues over our differences in sexual experience or preferences. I told him I was vanilla. He told me he wouldn’t call himself vanilla but that he had worked out and explored his sexuality in his 20’s. I believed him considering he had traveled the globe and admitted to casual hookups and even at least one orgy in another country I know of. I just feel perpetually insignificant to him with my lack of experience in all these areas. I have never traveled outside of my own state due to poverty issues. I have only been with a handful of men, and these were all serious and committed sexual relationships. I feel like a blip on his map of grand adventures. I know some of these things are chips on my shoulders from childhood insecurities playing out. I also worry that he’s experiencing FOMO through these Instagram girls… he’s getting distracted not only their bodies but also their lifestyles that he misses so much. The traveling Tinder girl from his past traveling the globe, and his new Tik Tok coworker traveling doing their cosplay. And he sees he will never have that kind of lifestyle with me because I am broke and have never traveled.
It’s interesting to me that you point out that this shame could be more from his childhood and less from the cheating ex or his f***boy past. He mentioned not only feeling inadequate to his family, but that he was also constantly trying to do better and prove to himself and people that he was a good person. He overextends himself a lot for people. “I just want to be a good employee” or “I just want to be a good person” and “I just want to be the best boyfriend I can for you” are all regular phrases I heard from him. The night he broke up with me, he said, “I wanted to believe it and prove to myself so hard that I could make this work. I know I SHOULD be happy but…” I took from that statement that perhaps he KNOWS he SHOULD want the stability of me at this age, that he knows he SHOULD be attracted to the love I am willing to give him but for whatever reason he is just not open to receive it still? Or perhaps he was referring to the fact that he SHOULD be attracted to me or feel romantically for me, but that he does not and feels guilty. I even asked him in late June in person why he didn’t seem to let me love him because he had seemed to reject some of my flirty advances that night. He said, “I am doing that!” referring the fact he had driven to meet me, just attended a concert together, and we were on the couch cuddling.
I just assumed when he told me, “my past issues I thought I had worked out in therapy are eating me alive” were referring to the past issues of him being a “creep/bad person” to women. I never knew what else he struggled with and worked on in therapy. It could be a plethora of other unrelated mental demons and I’m focusing too much on sexual issues that he may not even be struggling with! He also mentioned to me on several occasions that his best friend from his hometown was still in his f***boy stage at 31 that HE had grown out of and he was frustrated with his friend for not doing the work he had done. He told me he had to work so hard on himself to not be a piece of crap to others and he hated seeing his friend still stuck. He was also super frustrated that he couldn’t seem to get any reciprocity from these childhood friends, that he had to always drive up 6 hours north to them and they never wanted to come south to see him. Not only that, but that he was sick and tired of being shamed for wanting to vent and have conversations beyond surface level with them and they weren’t open to therapy or vulnerability with him. Right after this, he grabbed my hand, kissed it, and told me that was why he appreciated me and was so grateful for me… because I was the first person in his life as a peer to provide this sense of comfort to him. I felt so good about that and it was yet another reassurance that his past red flags were worked through.
I just wish I knew what what made him just permanently give up on this. I worry that the timing of the new coworker Tik Tok star in his life was a little too convenient. (Also I forgot to mention but in your summary of my original post, he actually was liking the photos of the girl he had matched with on Tinder before me. The person who he went out late with the night before our weekend together was the Tik Tok new coworker. But he has recently liked one of their posts too, one of them bent over with their shorts creating a wedgie up their crack and you can literally see genitalia). I worry that almost 12 months was a good enough effort for someone who has never even had a relationship before. Plus, he might have been freaked out to think his first girlfriend might be his last and he wasn’t willing to give up his freedom just yet? It’s just sad because I feel like most people work out these things through their 20’s. I don’t even know if fear of commitment WAS the issue, or if it was that he simply lost love and attraction to me over time through the distance or because of his supposed inability to stay focused on just one female, or perhaps he never even truly felt it in the first place. Maybe he realized there was too much incompatibility for him. He does smoke weed and I cannot be around it because it aggravates my allergies and asthma, plus I just think it looks and smells gross and I grew up in a drug filled home, he did not. So it’s a childhood trigger too for me. He asked me very early on if this was a dealbreaker because he wanted to work with me to make me feel more comfortable if I was willing to. I said unfortunately yes unless I could not have to ever see it, smell it, or be around it. He agreed with no problem and he never once pressured me or held it against me. We checked in a few times in the relationship to see if he was feeling judged or anything and I told him I greatly appreciated how he was handling it with me. However, we ran into a sticky situation in mid July. One of his other childhood buddies from 6 hours up north was getting married on July 29th and he invited me to be his wedding date. When the date got closer, he told me he just wanted to let me know that weed would be at the apartment. I thought it was just gonna be in a reception hall, but no they moved the wedding to basically a more casual setting and decided they were gonna have a smoke session back at his friend’s apartment that night. I went from thinking I was just gonna tolerate being around it at a big event hall to being essentially hot boxed in a small living room for hours with 6 other pot smokers. I told him I was gonna have to decline going knowing this because I wanted him to have a good time and not feel uncomfortable with me being uncomfortable there. He respected my boundary and told me his only concern was just how I was ever gonna be able to meet his friends then because every time they met, they were exclusively smoking pot the whole time. I asked him if we could EVER compromise just once, that maybe one time I could go meet them and he could opt out of smoking that day. He agreed with no issues. Turns out, the Tik Tok coworker he’s now hanging out with ALSO smokes pot. I’m afraid this is just really not working in my favor here. I have never wanted him to feel unaccepted because I told him I don’t mind he does it, I just don’t want to be around the smoke of it. I asked him if they could just do edibles as that would not bother my issues. He said that edibles hurt his stomach. Maybe he started sensing compatibility issues he was not willing to work through because that wedding did in fact happen almost a month prior to the day when he claimed he started feeling unhappy. Maybe they warned him I was controlling or judging him.
I’m just so confused because I saw a person who was so loving and expressed how much they appreciated our deep connection, something he said he never thought he could have. He was the first to say “I love you” to me, and he posted an Instagram story the next day exclaiming how he was head over heels in love with me, with a video of me singing from the night before. He told me at the beginning that he had so much love to give and was so ready to give it to someone and share his life with someone and finally make his life have meaning over hookups and surface level conversations. I don’t understand how someone can be so willing to lose their supposed biggest comfort and support system while they are at their lowest… why can’t we just work through our problems as a team as he’s always wanted before? I had hoped that my love and care would have been enough for him and we could help heal parts of each other. He was healing me by never shaming me for coming to him with insecurities. Until… he gave up.
For my friends to feel like he’s simply boiled down to a creepy player addicted to porn and “deviant” kinks who doesn’t care about women and just used me greatly confuses me. I saw a completely different side to him this entire relationship and not at all what the definition from Jezebel states. My friends think he has a porn addiction, or is struggling with himself over a sexual addiction and is not being honest with himself as to how much it is still controlling him considering he has alluded at least three times to my memory of having struggled with “porn brain” in the past or watching too much porn as a teenager. He said he was past it though! I truly believed him. Once again, I don’t even know if this issue is the main issue he’s battling or not. The stuff that this Tik Tok coworker posts is definitely too sexual and dark for me. I worry that’s what he’s ACTUALLY into and he just was afraid to express that to me. I worry I wasn’t enough to keep him from straying away.
StacyParticipantHi, Andrea. I worry I’m going through something similar with where you mentioned the butterfly feeling vs. stable love confusion. My boyfriend just broke up with me two weeks ago, we were also long distance, I was also his first relationship ever and I’ve been in several, we were both in our 30’s and almost right at the year mark as of this week. Another similarity: he has severe ADHD and depression and is medicated for both and struggles A LOT with his libido. His emotions are completely haywire off his meds. When he broke up with me, he mentioned feeling like he misses the “fun of how things were with us in the beginning”… even though the honeymoon stage really shouldn’t have ended for us this quickly. I told him that because it disappointed me he seemed to already be losing excitement for me/us. He joked he’d spice things up for us even though I wasn’t the one with that concern, and then dumped me the next day over a completely unrelated issue. Or maybe it wasn’t. He also told me on numerous occasions how grateful he was to have found me because I was the first person in his life to truly appreciate and care and love him. I have no words of wisdom but I do feel for you. If I knew my ex was just confusing our stable love/his first real love as “boring” after the newness wore off, then that’s just really sad. I feel like he either truly fell out of love with me or perhaps he’s clueless as to what a real connection is supposed to morph into after the initial butterflies.
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