Useless conversation in my opinion. I am sorry I actually posted anything. It seems that people revert 100% to “what about the men”….. If you read my original post, I said that both men and women can be bad, but men tend to be mad on face value and women are two faced. It’s a fact, ask most women in the work force and they will tell you that they trust men more than they trust women.

Yes, I do want to find the middle ground, but I am not sure that’s possible because of this specific type of excuse that’s used by women or white knights (men who always defend women no matter what).

If a man is wrong, then it’s his fault

If a woman is wrong, it’s because the man did something and he needs to apologize.

Look at the low marriage rates. Look at the record divorce rate. Look at what men are writing on Quora and Reddit about their struggles with finding love and how any time a man says anything about this subject, they are automatically labeled as misogynists, as incels, as this as that.

I just want to see some real case examples where women stand up for men. Where women stand up for family values. Where women say to other women, stop destroying men. Record number of men are “self eliminating” these days. I don’t want to use the other word. Check out the Gillette commercial where men are being told they are TOXIC just for being men. I know I am being very general, but there is a point to that. When I see a girl at a coffeeshop or anywhere else, I can’t introduce myself to her. She is has been brainwashed to think that meeting someone like that is BAAAAD. But that’s how people meet. It’s common to hear from women “I don’t owe you my time”. WTH? A guy just came up to her to say Hello and may be have a conversation with her. But this happens all the time. How in the world can I find the middle ground when the swing is tiled all the way to insanity? I am not sure shy guy who is afraid to talk to girls. Ive had plenty of gfs and been married 8 years. But society has changed so much that men are walking away. Men do not trust women. Women cheat more than men could ever dream of. They actually passed laws in France that it’s not legal to do paternity tests because it may upset the balance of the family. Just another excuse for a woman to cheat and then not give the man the option to know that this child is not his. This is about me, but it’s not just about me. Everything is connected and the fact that it’s happening in most western societies, it relates to what’s happening with me. I have ZERO problems meeting Russian girls from the motherland because we all grew up there and had different values. We valued family and had equality before feminists destroys family structures in the West. My point is that I don’t know if I can find the middle ground because the swing has been tilted too far. Sorry if I am rambling, but this is the most upsetting subject of my life. I’ve known to many guys who have been destroyed by women and who had lost their lives because of these women.