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seaturtle
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Dear Anita,

What is Seaturtle’s personal definitions of a majorly good person and of a  fully good person?

– This is a good question. What comes to mind now, is that a majorly good person is one with good intentions but doesn’t always get that across, or that they think their intentions are good, but are missing some information and their good intentions are misguided, causing bad outcomes. Whereas a fully good person is completely in line with their third eye, and therefore their intentions are always pure, never contaminated with bias or selfish wants. A fully good person always effects the environment neutrally or positively, a majorly good person can sometimes have negative effects on others and the world.

“to tap into/ to be One with Shakti, it takes trusting yourself to be a good person first, because you wouldn’t allow a bad person all that power and capability”.

-I have gone back to this more than once, since you said it. Even had a conversation with K about it, where I saw he struggles with it too. He phrased it as when he receives praise he doubts the validity of it, questioning that they actually see the whole picture, and I related with this deeply. What is interesting though, is what seems obvious to me is I am this way because my dad did not treat me as if I was a good person, he was skeptic of me and I was disciplined and criticized all the time. But for K, he seems to have the same overlying issue as me, doubting his goodness, but he didn’t have a critical parent, his mom over gave praise to him to an extent to where he now wonders ‘what is real praise and what is exaggerated’  because there is no way he deserves that much (his thoughts). How can two different types of parents, both result in a hard time receiving praise or seeing yourself as good? What is the balance of praise and constructive criticism that leads to a healthy self esteem (seeing self as good). I ask because I want to balance myself out, and I also want to raise a balanced child one day.

The person that made me believe, or heavily suspect, that I was a bad person was my mother. On a regular basis, she accused me- in long, protracted, paranoid and histrionic sessions of accusations- of plotting to hurt her feelings and humiliate her. She accused me of planning what to say and do

– Our experiences are so similar. I am thankful to have someone like you who is farther in the healing process to help me!

Who plans and intentionally actualizes plans to cause pain to one’s mother, if not a bad person..?

– good point.

I wasn’t sure that she was wrong. I doubted myself. I became very careful about the words I said, or thought about saying, too anxious, too careful.

– this brings me back to your comment about my desires to run away or even leading to self harm, wanting to rid myself and surroundings of this “bad person” that I had no control over, since I had no idea I was doing this and felt out of control of my own intentions.

I think of the majority of my life as a stolen life, stolen and held hostage by her.

– I deeply empathize with you.

 I waited and waited for her to give me the permission to live my own life (by telling me that I was a good person) long after I knew that I was still waiting. I gave her all that I could give her, money included, but never got the Good Person label from her.

– This is where I can be thankful, and one of the ways my experience breaks away from yours. This anchor weighs/weighed, less for me after 24 years. After I got farther from F, and he saw I was happy away from him there is a sliver of understanding that I am good without him, but he definitely still sees me as very flawed. My way of life doesn’t make sense to him and he still laughs at me.  I told him about my adventures in colorado and meeting K, my plans to travel, and he just laughs at me because I am living life “so differently” “why would you work at a cafe you are way too over qualified” “you are a nanny? you spend time with kids for fun? what a waste of your time, hahaha” But then he says he is glad I am happy.. which I think I believe. I still feel like he sees me as less than others/ ill-intentioned on accident/ skeptical of me (as you would be of a bad person). It’s like he doesn’t see me as bad anymore, but he sees me as something else now… not intelligent, lazy (since I am not resume building/ climbing a corporate ladder), not reliable (asking me if I need help all the time as if I can’t support myself), doesn’t trust my decisions until I just make them and he sees the benefits way later, but this still builds me no reporte.

 

for the majority of my life, I drifted in a purgatory, drifting between heaven (waiting to be labeled Good) and hell (resisting being labeled Bad).
– when you say the majority of your life, how long ago did you begin peeling this label off? is it off?
I believe that you were not selfish, controlling, manipulative, etc., when it came to your father, but it is possible that you have been so with others, to one extent or another, at times.. is it possible?
– I do believe I was this way with my sisters and friends when I was little. Taking advantage of their minds being easily controllable to what I wanted to do. How F treats weak minds. F takes full advantage of weak minds.. I don’t trust him. I am having a moment right now where I am realizing how deeply I don’t trust him in this way.
 (1) my mother presented herself as a good person: no she was not a good person. To me, and to those most vulnerable to her, she was a bad person,
– This is what I mean by not trusting F, As I typed “I don’t trust him,” I saw him as bad. Is it possible to see someone as partially bad and good? or is it one or the other?
I currently see myself as a good person. I define a good person as a person who cares to do no harm, and to help people whenever possible.
-This makes me feel like I am good 🙂
(2) my mother presented me as a bad person: no I was not a bad person. I was as good a person to her as can be. My empathy was with her, I would have done anything to help her, and I did do all that I could.”
“I earned my good-person-label by repeatedly and intentionally correcting my behaviors (words said/ typed, and chosen actions) from Harmful to Helpful, best I can.”
– Interesting here is I am not sure if my dad presents me as bad or good. I think he tries to present me as good but he sees me as bad.. He tells his friends stories of me that are fabricated.. only the parts he thinks that are good, but I am not sure he believes what he is saying when he tells them. That’s so painful to me, and how he made me feel, like he was trying sooo hard to see me as good but just couldn’t because that is how bad I was.. barely redeemable :/ I feel sad at this moment.
– I did do all that I could too, my intentions were so pure from my perspective, and I always tried to correct myself to his needs. Truly did all I could do too.
-This is a hard conversation to have for me and I suspect you too, thank you for opening up wounds to help me. Anita you are fantastic ❤️
– “from Harmful to Helpful” I can see myself doing this in my life now 😉 I didn’t want the negative energy around me to be because of me, so I started by noticing after I said something that it was contaminating to the environment. Then I got better and started to notice before it even came out of my mouth, and now I think I am getting to the point of changing my thoughts to begin with 🙂 This is making me realize how I have grown away from certain friends, because as I challenged myself to face my unhelpful commentary, I saw others, and as I put effort to avoid my own I avoided others. Pushed negativity out of my life even if that meant people :/
-Even at the cost of hurting my heart temporarily I pushed away “badness” and strove to be more positive and helpful. A quality of a good person 🙂 I also still want to help others be more positive even if it is at the cost of me exposing myself to it.. now is this a quality of a good person or is it self destructive to expose myself to at all? My friend P, I still haven’t spoken to in person and I suspect she thinks I am incapable of supporting others, because I distanced myself from her negativity that I know is still there just based on brief texting conversation. Maybe I should write her a letter, that makes me feel less anxious than being in her presence and feeling like I need to defend myself :/ I am just now learning to defend myself to myself that I am good! let alone others.
 I shift from judgment => to empathy.
– I have been attempting this for a while now and found lots of success and a shift in my energy from anxious to loving. But there is a current situations I am dealing with that I am finding a road block between judgement -> empathy. Long story as short as I can; The parents of the child I nanny are separating. I found out three weeks ago, they sat me down and he confessed to being an alcoholic. The mom is extremely empathetic, and has asked him to go to rehab since she found out, she found out the day they got home with their little girl from the N.I.C.U. on breathing tubes as an infant. This father has made me feel uncomfortable more than once, subtly, with comments that he feels a connection to me (conversationally, being too vulnerable with me about his issues and marriage problems).. I have distanced myself and set boundaries, that he did abide by after telling him I did not want anything from him at all and my loyalties were to his wife. He works 25 hours a week for a tech company that removes medical waste, his wife is with make-a-wish, very high up over 40 hours a week. She got a job opportunity she has been pursuing for months with Save the Children, she is incredibly passionate about since she was 15. She was called for an interview that was likely to lead to a job opportunity, and that was the same week her husband had an alcohol experience that was intense enough for her to make him leave the house. Only to be with their girl under supervision. As she got offered her dream job to help world wide children, he then decides (after being asked for two years and refusing) to go to rehab. Leaving her a single mom near impossible to accept this new job. I just found out she turned it down. I have been working extra hours for them and been as emotionally supportive as possible as the mom bends backwards to decide to be in her dream career or a present mom. I feel upset and angry with this man. I could say very judgemental things I am sure are not hard to guess. He self destructs and decides to go to rehab all when his wife was about to get her dream job, and he has the audacity to act like he is the victim. I am really struggling to have any empathy for him at all and in my heart is pure judgement. I don’t like how this makes me feel and I suspect it is a test from the universe to practice an intense degree of empathy, that will make me a better person. But, and I wasn’t planning on bringing this here, I think you may be able to help me find some empathy? or guide me to how you have found empathy in the hardest situations?
When I find myself thinking/ feeling what may lead to harmful words or actions, I redirect my attention => to thoughts and feelings that are congruent with helping, not with harming.
-I even found myself tempted to do harm by not caring much about making his facetimes with the little girl happen, as they can only happen with me there since the wife and him are not speaking. I stopped myself from this behavior, but my judgements have clearly not been tamed with empathy.

Seaturtle