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March 28, 2019 at 5:53 pm #286835AnonymousGuest
Dear Girija:
I will be away from the computer for longer than usual and be back in about 36 hours from now. I hope to read from you when I am back. Take good care of your beautiful and strong wings!
anita
March 29, 2019 at 3:36 am #286873AnonymousInactiveDear anita
In your analogy of the bird flying into a closed window and repeating to do so to get entry despite the pain, not realizing it will never be able to force itself in, represents craving acceptance and validation for me. I keep trying to impress, and each time it feels like “this is it, I will make it this time” and yet it only leaves me hurt. I need to look for places and people that are open to me.
This made me think, why do we fear judgement – is it that our species was once in very small tribes and you needed everyone in the tribe to ensure your survival? The reason i think this could be the reason is it almost feels “life-threatening” when you notice someone looking down on you. Every little action of such a person feels like they are out to get you.
What is your relationship with other people’s opinions? Mine as I have said earlier feels like one of necessity – to survive.
Girija
March 29, 2019 at 6:34 am #286885AnonymousGuestDear Girija:
I do have a short time this morning to post after all, before I leave to the big city for the day.
I am very impressed by your astute, highly intelligent and so well articulated insight. We humans are social animals. If you observe other social animals who live in groups, an individual that is disapproved of does get bullied, expelled from the group and even killed outright, usually by a group of angry individuals. Individual animals within a social group need to be accepted by the group so to survive. Except for the most powerful, those whose power is well established.
In primitive human society, “craving acceptance and validation” was necessary for the survival of the individual. If an individual, in a power position within the group, did not accept and validate an individual of lesser power, he felt anger and proceeded to maim or killed the weaker one. Our modern societies are much more complex than the primitive, simple groups: in modern society there are too many people/ agencies in power over every individual that prevent individuals from harming those they disapprove of. In the workplace, a manager maiming or killing a new employee will be fired by higher management. Most people, if they maim or kill another, will be arrested and taken to prison by the more powerful law enforcement and courts. A lesser extreme example: firing a disapproved of, yet productive employee will cause financial loss to the company, so the disapproving manager doesn’t want to lose his power, that is, his profit and does not fire the employee he or she doesn’t like.
We are born with the instincts and emotions of primitive humans/other social animals (“it almost feels ‘life threatening’ when you notice someone looking down at you”). Yet we are also born with intellect that allows us to observe our modern society and realistically evaluate dangers, lessening our fear. For example, an employee can figure that disagreeing with her manager and asserting herself is highly unlikely to bring about physical harm or death, and if done wisely, is highly unlikely to cause her to lose her job.
Before a human gets into his or her society at large, he/she knows only one mini-society, and that is her family at home, mother, father, the people who live at home. All adults (and older children) are powerful over the young child and often the mother is the most powerful. The child is very scared of a disapproving mother because she needs her mother so much.
Also, everyone (human/another animal) is afraid of anyone’s anger. All animals are afraid of angry individuals because the emotion of anger includes in it the desire to harm, it is a threat of harm or harm-in-progress.
The more disapproving a parent at home, the more angry a parent, the more scared the child of the society at large, once leaving home into the world.
* I will soon be away from the computer and back in about 24 hours.
anita
March 29, 2019 at 10:42 am #286923AnonymousInactiveDear anita
realistically evaluate dangers – this something I need to learn. Most my life I spend living in my head. It is possibly why I can never fully recall events in my life or am always absent-minded. Calmly evaluate situation, i shall 🙂
Girija
March 30, 2019 at 4:18 am #286969AnonymousInactiveDear anita
It’s back – the hopelessness – i don’t know what to do. I think two things triggered it –
1. Thinking I should prepare for the interviews – just the thought
2. Although it is a holiday, my mentor posts a message that she is really excited to take up some new work, that was obviously to show manager that she was working. But thing is I could have done this work, the other seniot talked about working on that with me, as you know i was working on another thing, so I assumed I would be working on the new work after this one was done. But she comes from the side and takes it away. Should I have been working parallely on the new thing to protect it from getting snatched, i am so sick of never getting it right. I don’t want to engage in the world anymore. My life is so pathetic, happiness is so easy to break, it hurts more than before.
I feel like a loser, trying too hard to make my life work, and I am reminded of what i really am, how my life is an uphill task. It is too hard. There is nothing to cling on to.
Girija
March 30, 2019 at 7:11 am #286973AnonymousGuestDear Gijira:
I knew it would happen, of course I knew because I’ve been in this process, what I call the healing process for years, since 2011. Let’s see what happened:
-less than two days ago you wrote: “I just needed to allow myself to risk feeling pain- .. Fearing the pain and staying as I am will keep me away from the joy I could experience. I am starting to believe in the adventure and the blue sky you described anita. I am finally able to admit to myself that the nest is suffocating, I just needed to know that my wings were strong enough. I do now, and would also not mind falling as I try to reach the sky. It gives me hope”.
-less than two days later: “It’s back- the hopelessness- I don’t know what to do… I am sick of never getting it right. I don’t want to engage in the world anymore. My life is so pathetic, happiness is so easy to break, it hurts more than before. I feel like a loser, trying too hard to make my life work, and I am reminded of what I really am.. It is too hard. There is nothing to cling to”.
A bit about me very recently: I had a good day yesterday, felt calmer than ever, but then, maybe I was tired, a thought occurred to me, something in my body felt uncomfortable and… fear went up a bit, next thing I knew I felt the need to wash my hands (an OCD compulsion) and such. And I gave in to the compulsion, at night I slept poorly and here I am at the computer, tired, not refreshed. But I told myself earlier in the morning, before getting on the computer: the old pathways were activated a bit yesterday. But I built new pathways, many heathy pathways and made a lot of progress, a whole lot of healing (that is new pathways), that I am not like I was before. The old pathways don’t disappear but the new pathways added make it impossible for me to go back to the way I was before. Therefore I expect to have a good enough day today, to not sink back into OCD rituals. I will continue to heal.
Back to you: “I just needed to allow myself to risk feeling pain”- unfortunately there is a lot more pain for you to feel, feeling it once does make it weaker. Now that it is back, feel it again, don’t try to run away from it and don’t make decisions when in the midst of this pain.
Healing and spreading out your wings is a long term projects. I am guessing that if you persist and you don’t give up, you will be able to fly when you are still in your twenties!
Don’t be discouraged by how you feel today, it is a necssary part of the healing process and it is not possible to magically heal. In order to really heal, work needs to be done now while you are in despair. This work cannot be done unless you feel despair, this is why it is a necessary part of healing.
The work that needs to be done now is to examine your regret, these pathways of regret that were triggered at work (“Should I have been working parallelly on the new thing to protect it from getting snatched”) –
Tell me about the origin of this regret, what did you regret so intensely in your young life?
anita
March 30, 2019 at 8:18 am #286983AnonymousInactiveDear anita
It is actually really scary to fall back into old patterns. It like running away from prison and feeling free only to be dragged back in, the fear is that this time there will be more locks added, it will be harder to break out.
I am trying to understand what got triggered in me, so I am typing what happened, to help me and you see what happened “in” me. Now as you know, I am a junior developer and there are two others like me that were moved to our team ( every time before this that I mentioned other juniors, it was these two), they came in exploding with energy, churning out projects. Since I joined, I was always cowering in fear, procrastinating, and although i did do well at times, it was nowhere near these guys, so when they joined our team, my manager, who was already criticizing me for being slow, had two dazzling rock stars to shift his focus to. I was already insecure when i joined my team and was the only junior, now I was actually facing the brunt of that. I was not getting the kind of projects they were, and even my unproductive seniors now go to shine standing behind these juniors and I could sense their judgement. We have to create a portfolio to apply for our upcoming promotion, coming up in 2 months. I hate that one good project got away just as I was finally gaining some momentum. I regret not being able to act in my best interest. I am always too late, i look at other people’s success and live in a state of regret for not being able to work for what I want – need actually, it validates me as an engineer. I never rise up to the occasion. And the humiliation of being left behind in a promotion – I have yet to soar when given the oppurtunity – college entrance exams and now projects, my promotion will join the list. I am not shallow to think my worth is dependent on my promotion, but i am not strong yet to completely discount others’ opinions, and who doesn’t like a promotion – it gives a hike and proof of being a capable employee.
I am crying every time i think about this. This feeling – I want to break out of being slow, being reactive and not proactive, yet I have never been able to define what I truly want. It is like I am in a washing machine, and someone else is turning it on and off as they wish. I am really tired.
Girija
March 30, 2019 at 9:13 am #286987AnonymousGuestDear Girija:
“It is like I am in a washing machine, and someone else is turning it on and off as they wish”-
– the way I see it, there is this beautiful bird who lives in a washing machine called “home” and her mother turns that machine on and off as she wishes: she wakes you up in the morning when she chooses to, she decides where you sleep (in one room with her and your sister), she decided that you should take on a life insurance policy, she decides when she talks to you and about what she will talk to you (not with you, but to you). She is currently deciding who you will marry.
This washing machine turning on and off without your consent, without your input, your yes-or-no, is messing up your wings, they get flattened and wrinkled with each on-cycle and once they get a long breath of fresh air and gain their volume and strength, she turns on the washing machine and your wings once again get wrinkled and weak.
anita
March 30, 2019 at 9:22 am #286989AnonymousInactiveI don’t think it is limited tl my home though. I am yet to find a place where I can just be as I am. I am not exaggerating but the whole world feels like a washing machine. I need it to stop. I can’t keep up with this. I can’t allow myself to be dragged around like this, feeling powerless, forced to do things I don’t want to do with no way out.
March 30, 2019 at 9:43 am #286993AnonymousGuestDear Girija:
Make a plan: work for the purpose of saving enough money so to move out of your home-or-origin/ the washing machine, out of the area altogether, so you no longer visit your home-of-origin and move far away, perhaps to another country where you can make much more money than you are making now, a place where you will start making your own decisions.
“I don’t think it is limited to my home.. the whole world feels like a washing machine”- well, once you find a place in the world where you no longer live with your mother (and sister) in the same room, not even in the same house… or country, that will be a start.
You can’t .. find a different kind of a world for you while you sleep in one room with your mother who controls your life. Don’t you think?
anita
March 30, 2019 at 8:22 pm #287049AnonymousInactiveDear anita
I will. I ought to test what else is out there before i make conclusions about the world in general. Thank you
Girija
March 31, 2019 at 7:46 am #287077AnonymousGuestDear Girija:
You are welcome. Test for yourself “what else is out there”, look at the bigger picture. I used to be very afraid of people and the world, expecting people to hurt me. It wasn’t long ago that I realized, and it was a surprising kind of realization, that in my personal experience, the scariest part of the world was living at home with my mother.
No other individual was as scary, as hurtful and as damaging to me as my mother, not even close. Other people have been less cruel to me and often quite nice. If I wasn’t scared of all the nice people, I would have benefited from them appearing in my life.
anita
March 31, 2019 at 8:02 am #287083AnonymousInactiveDear anita
I suppose that is where we are different. I have managed to see the dark side of nice people too. There is no nice person in my opinion, the question with each person is – is their good side worth facing their bad side for. I have found that for besides my best friend and my sister, there is no one. And sometimes even their good is not enough. I don’t think the good and bad are equal in impact either. I can live without the good side – because the bad side is vicious and it comes out any time things are not going well. So along with my own issues I have to tolerate others’. And the thing I find most unjust is that i suppress my negative side and it only consumes me, while others have no issue letting theirs out.
Girija
March 31, 2019 at 8:40 am #287087AnonymousGuestDear Girija:
“the bad side is vicious and it comes out any time things are not going well”- this is your experience with your mother, it is her bad side that is vicious and it has repeatedly come out unexpectedly, in your own personal experience with her.
“There is no nice person in my opinion”- in your personal experience, your mother is not a nice person. And she is not a nice person from all that you shared.
anita
April 1, 2019 at 12:12 pm #287217AnonymousGuestDear Girija:
I think the desire in you awakened, the desire to spread your wings and fly into the open sky, and then fear landed heavily on you, crippling you again. The “lost and weary” even more lost and more weary than before because of that hope awakening and defeated by fear.
We humans are driven by desire, like other animals, filled with that joy of the call-of-the-wild, until fear blocks us and then we figure: if we don’t hope, if we don’t desire, life will be easier.
But is it? After all, you stared this thread after giving up best you can on hope and on flying, and you were “lost and weary”, as you state in the title of your thread. And now, You are recovering, I am guessing, from that temporary awakening of desire and joy and back into the more bearable “lost and weary”.
It is okay with me if I don’t read from you again. I have no agenda with you, personally. My agenda is understanding us, humans, as we have so much in common, no matter where in the world we are, you and I and everyone who is reading this.
anita
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