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March 22, 2019 at 9:35 am #285791AnonymousGuest
Dear Girija:
It is an honor for me that you chose to tell me your real name. (I think the statistical chances that someone you know is reading this is extremely low, so I wouldn’t be worried about it, if I was you). An honor it is. My real name is anita.
I studied your thread and am glad to let you know that I do have a new understanding, a deeper understanding. I will start with older understanding and develop it to the new:
You wrote regarding your mother: “I once asked her how she felt when she held me for the first time, she said she does not remember much and agreed it may not have been a significantly joyous reaction”-
– looking up to your mother as she held you for the first time was very significant for you, a very joyous experience, yet it meant nothing to her, nothing memorable.
She was “incredibly unhappy and sad” your whole life. She did not experience joy having you in her life.
You wrote about your mother and about life at home where your mother has been the key figure for you: “I never heard any kind words from her…I really have no support… I really feel empty and I have no one… I have no joy left… The emptiness becomes unbearable and I become extremely aware of how horrible my life is”.
When you wrote about people being “too strong, harsh even cruel. No one stops to see where another is coming from”- maybe you meant other people, outside your home, but these were the people inside your home as well. No one in your home stopped or stops to see where you are coming from. Or ever will.
You were not loved at home, no one was there for you, no one cherished you: “When you say loved, I take that as knowing someone is always there for you and cherishes you. I do not have evidence for that”.
Your home was about doing what society expects. The number 1 concern is financial security, not living on the streets. Number 2 concern is reputation, what strangers think. Emotional needs of members within the family are of no importance: “My mom has complained that her parents never truly cared about her. And I think it is a pattern… No one cares about emotional needs. They are all doing what society expects them to do… I have figured out what my mother has taught me- to not try to change your situation as you may lose what you already have. She was afraid of losing financial support so she never left my father and also was afraid of losing reputation”-
Family/ societal tradition is financial survival without love. And so, your mother wakes you up every morning, checks on you from time to time so that you are physically alive, and so that you go to work and earn money (“she is the one that wakes me up everyday. She even checks on me from time to time- go bath, eat, etc. However, I am never able to get her to listen”), and most recently, she saw to it that you buy a life insurance policy with the family’s benefit- your own, your sister and herself. The Priority is Money and your value, in your mother’s mind, is financial.
Like you wrote, it doesn’t mean she is scheming anything. What I am saying is that Money is her number one priority, her main concern. According to her, “The best future possible was to earn as much as possible so my family does not fall out on the streets”.
Your emotional well being is not her concern: “My mother always took care of us, besides emotional stuff- I thought that was love”- no it was not and is not love. Again, she cared about money, not about your heart, not about your emotional well being.
My very new understanding this morning is regarding what you wrote here: “I see well functioning people like my cousins that are like machines, they do not have love either yet they don’t struggle like I do… None of this hurt my sister or my cousins. I think this is why I feel like I don’t fit in, I am hyper sensitive to everything… How can I know if my expectations from others are too much or if I am being too sensitive for my own good?…. I thought I was either too selfish or too sensitive.. I cannot be around people being fake.. I cannot play along… My constant fear is that I am a raging, emotional and unstable person and that I may ruin my life by trying to change things up or choosing a path different from everyone else”
– something happened early on to your mother, your cousins and a lot of other people you encounter, including many of your co workers: they adjusted very well to the lack of love- they stopped needing it. It is similar to a plant that has lived too long without water, its flowers wilt too soon, their leaves shed, branches fall, and all that remains is a trunk and a branch or two. As a limited plant, a limited human, a person feels okay, stable, as okay and stable as possible and functions according to expectations within the society they are in.
You didn’t adjust that well. Not all your flowers wilted, not all your leaves shed and you have more branches than anyone else. You are miserable because these flowers and leaves yearn for water. You require love. You are not okay with the very, very little (if any) love that is available to you.
Therefore, yes, you are more sensitive than your family members, co workers and many others. And yes, you experience raging emotions and feel unstable because you are more alive than others.
Others are numb, like machines. You are emotional, like a human.
You always wanted your mother’s approval. But what she wants from you is to be that limited human, that plant-with-no-flowers-no-leaves. You can never satisfy her requirement because the adjustment of becoming limited, less than, had to happen earlier in your life, when you were a child. It can not happen now. You cannot be less sensitive, less expecting, less caring about what is happening. You can’t fake it and you can’t play along.. no matter how much you wish you could.
anita
March 22, 2019 at 4:00 pm #285849AnonymousInactiveDear anita,
You are right. Everything seems to be strictly measured – what you are worth is proportional to what you are able to produce – money and results. It is black and white and my hangout is the dark grey area.
I felt out of place, thank you for helping me see why. Now i know that it is alright and it just reflects who i really am and what i truly want – and that happens to be different from most of the people around me.
I had actually written a draft some 20 hours ago and decided to re read it before posting because i had written yesterday at work when i was feeling really horrible. I will give a summary of that later but what i have realized since that time is my manager and seniors both act like having a different pace at work is horrendous.I am really starting to see that it is like a factory and we are all machines. We are all expected to work the same way.I would never expect to get paid without doing work and i know the system is brutal enough to kick me out and would not have kept me around if i was truly horrible. In fact my manager said i was a strong performer but i need to think about how i would get to outstanding ( outstanding is the best rating and strong is one below that) – it is very rare for him to admit i actually do a good job. He is very manipulative and i came in as a hot mess with low confidence, which gave him the perfect oppurtunity to make me feel miserable and worthless.
What i want to get into is how i see work vs how other people see work – because i think this is the main reason for a difference in productivity. Being a developer is straight forward – you think about the best way to solve a problem ( usually done by senior developers but in our company anybody can do it) , think about the best way to write code and deliver. And at any stage, if you are stuck you naturally would ask for help. The difference with me is as i told you earlier acknowledging i don’t know or that i am stuck makes me feel like i am incompetent. What i am realizing is that in my career it is very easy to develop skills if you find the time. I am proof of that because my senior had zero knowledge and i delivered anyways – but since i was petrified, i had to drag myself to complete it and it took longer. I would give up on some days and feel useless. When truth is if my senior knew nothing and therefore could not do her job, i actually did more than my job required and that took me more time – thanks to my way of dealing with things – which is very emotional.
And another difference is my need for approval as you have pointed out. It started with my mother at home and then people at work. And it deeply affects me when they find my flaws. I feel worthless and as you had told me earlier helplessness – the learned helplessness kicks in. Instead of seeing myself as the strong performer who could improve her speed, i thought i was not good enough for my job and i was hopeless and unethical.
I have enough proof to not think of myself negatively yet yesterday in that draft I wrote paragraphs on how i was unethical for being lazy and how i may never improve and will never compare to my peers. This is also because no one at work again cares about what another person is feeling. Like you said, they have all adjusted very well. The way they go about things is – like this machine is not meeting all our standards, lets put it through these demeaning things. I was ashamed for being put through a discussion about how i should be precise on exactly what day i could deliver something – which means my senior is again refusing to do his job and making me do it. Instead of seeing it for what it was, which was the worst possible way for my senior to move things faster – completely foregoing responsibility and putting pressure without having a clue about what will go into this new task – i saw it as – oh i am being put through this that no other peer has had to do, i really am not good enough. After 20 hours I see that this is because they have worked on projects with more stakeholders so the same senior had to up his game. Now since it is an internal project he gets to act all high and mighty about how i need to know how long it will take. No one knows this, especially when you are starting and haven’t yet pieced everything together. The right way to do it would have been to ask me to break into smaller tasks and update on how they are going – that is what the other teams do but here everything should be done by me but all of them get to look down on it.
All this time i failed to realize one thing – they can do it whatever they want, be hyper critical and horrible – but it is on me to decide how to process that, not define myself by it and realize that people that determine my worth by what i can deliver for them and who do not care about the back story should not be allowed to define my worth or affect how i feel about myself.
March 23, 2019 at 8:59 am #285901AnonymousGuestDear Girija:
(Do you feel comfortable with me addressing you with your real name or do you prefer I go back to gj?)
This morning I re-read your previous threads, something I didn’t do yesterday, plus just a bit from this thread. I will quote your writings from the beginning of this thread and from your previous threads.
– Please take your time reading this long post. Take your time to let this in.
You wrote about your mother: “She was never those things I was expected to be. She only pointed out I was doing something wrong when did not fit those standards. There was no role model for that”
– your mother sent you the message early on that you don’t fit her expectations but she didn’t show you what you were doing wrong in comparison to what doing right looks like.
She criticized you but kept you lost in her criticism with no way out, no way to correct the alleged faults. You were lost in the land of the Flawed & Incompetent with no available path to the promised land the Adequate & Competent.
You wrote: “When some senior on the team is rude I am not able to convince myself that their rudeness is unwarranted and I keep telling myself I ought to be better but I don’t do anything“-
-You believe the rudeness is warranted because you believe you are indeed faulty and incompetent and he/she happened to notice it. Next you tell yourself that you ought to be better. The reason you don’t do anything is … that there is nothing to do, because there is no fault or incompetence to be corrected.
Like any professional you have to learn and improve, true to the seniors in your company as well. But there is no fault and incompetence about you. This is a false core belief, a core belief that is not true to reality.
The procrastination you mentioned and lesser performance on your part is not a result of being faulty and incompetent, it is a result of believing that you are and therefore believing that you will be found out at any time.
A year ago, you wrote: “I’m not as good as all other tech savvy peers… I still was recognized for one feature I developed yet I’ve had to hear about how slow I am and not up to the standard the industry expects me”-
– but it makes sense that senior tech co workers will know more than newcomers, beginners. But you take this as proof of your inherent faultiness. You focus on any and all supposed evidence of a non-existing faultiness and dismiss all evidence of your existing competence.
This core belief is associated with a deep feeling of shame, which is emotionally painful.
“I don’t feel a passion towards coding when there is pressure to prove myself otherwise I enjoy it when I have a sense of the goal to achieve and also help from peers”- the reason you don’t enjoy many things, feeling that lack of passion and motivation you wrote about, is that where there is shame, there is no passion or motivation.
“I’m afraid to ask for help as I might seem too stupid.. I want to do well but have no motivation and am living in fear and shame”- you are afraid that if you ask for help, they will think or notice that you are faulty and incompetent. You keep living in fear that people will notice what you believe is true, that there is an inherent fault and incompetence about you.
“I still don’t understand how I can believe in myself … and accept my flaws. How do you do it? Know you are flawed and that these flaws are visible to anyone easily if they look”-
– you wrote it yourself.
You live in constant fear of being found out, of your faultiness being pointed out to you.
“My mom says I have everything a person my age needs”- except for the belief of being adequate and competent, a belief a person needs at any age. Without this belief life is miserable.
“the reason I’m so afraid is… that I failed because I didn’t change even when I had to.. I need to change now”-
– You need to change something, but you need to know what it is specifically that you need to change. You are not faulty and incompetent, this is not what you need to change. It is the belief that you are faulty and incompetent that you need to change.
“It always feel like the damage is done and I can’t improve. Honestly, where do I begin? It’s inherently a problem with who I am”-
– the damage is the early life forming of this core belief, which is glued in your brain by emotions of shame and fear. It is very difficult to change a core belief glued so well in the form of many neuropathways in the brain. The problem is not in who you are but in who you believe you are.
“this fear of judgement runs really deep… my goal in writing here was not just to ‘fix’ things at work but better myself as a person.. it makes me feel like a failure when I disappoint those around me”-
– the core belief of faultiness and incompetence exists not only in the context of your work life but in context of you living at home with your mother.. who instilled in you this core belief.
“I’m most happy when I’m by myself and calm”- because there is no one around you whom you allegedly harm by your alleged faultiness and incompetence, no one you are disappointing, no one you are displeasing, and no one who is allegedly thinking how faulty you are.
“I feel really powerless as a person, so I try to avoid challenges and don’t think I can face them… somewhere deep inside I’ve decided I won’t be able to handle things going bad”-
This core belief keeps you very scared because you don’t believe you are competent to face difficulties, to face tough times. This core belief is far reaching and encompasses everything in your life outside the few breaks you get when you are alone, being by yourself. Maybe being by yourself listening to music.
In summary of this post: the good news is that it is possible to change such a deep rooted, far reaching core belief. The bad news is that it takes a lot of time and a lot of work.
Do you know of people who deeply believe something that you know is not true, maybe certain religious beliefs? If you do, then you know that it is possible to deeply believe something that is not true.
In my life experience, I have never come across a woman in her twenties (and you are only 23) as intelligent as you are. I have no way to measure your IQ and am not qualified to do so. What I am referring to as intelligence is your insight, your curiosity, how far reaching your thinking goes. You are also a very honest person, honest with yourself, willing to look at reality, willing to examine it. You are a very evolved person this way, not rigid and limited, but open and capable, competent. As a matter of fact, I have never met a person your age who is.. more competent than you.
-Enough for now.
anita
March 23, 2019 at 9:12 am #285905AnonymousInactiveI am going through your recent post, anita. You can call me Girija or anything you like, I am just really indebted to you!
March 23, 2019 at 9:25 am #285909AnonymousGuestTake your time, Girija. I will soon enough be gone from the computer until tomorrow morning, about 20 hours from now, so I wouldn’t read your next message until then. Also, you are welcome!
anita
March 23, 2019 at 10:17 am #285923AnonymousInactiveDear anita,
I am doing what you normally do – pasting what you wrote and responding to that – i think it is a great way to respond 🙂
She criticized you but kept you lost in her criticism with no way out, no way to correct the alleged faults. You were lost in the land of the Flawed & Incompetent with no available path to the promised land the Adequate & Competent. – this has been the theme of my life, started with my mother and I found this at work too. I have read in many places that you attract the same type of people until you learn the lessons you have to. Do you think that is true?
–You believe the rudeness is warranted because you believe you are indeed faulty and incompetent and he/she happened to notice it. – I think I am making the same mistake i am accusing other people of doing, judging my worth on what I achieve so I justify their rudeness.
Next you tell yourself that you ought to be better. The reason you don’t do anything is … that there is nothing to do, because there is no fault or incompetence to be corrected. – this i could make my life long mission, to truly believe that i am not incompetent or that i have no fault to be corrected. Since i started this thread, i have been able to see that i have a very bad opinion of myself, but i am not able to give myself permission to do change it and i guess that is why I brought up how i was not a great daughter or perhaps a good employee – i have my sister and other junior developers to compare to. It makes me feel like I have no right to believe i am truly competent or adequate.
Like any professional you have to learn and improve, true to the seniors in your company as well. But there is no fault and incompetence about you. This is a false core belief, a core belief that is not true to reality. – instead of choosing to learn and improve, i chose the path of defend and survive. And this aggravated the core belief.
The procrastination you mentioned and lesser performance on your part is not a result of being faulty and incompetent, it is a result of believing that you are and therefore believing that you will be found out at any time. – I see that it is not some inherent fault, what it is maybe a gap in skills required – which i could have learnt and improved myself. But since i identified with failure so much the procrastination was inevitable, since i was sure i was incompetent i used to give up before trying.
I’m not as good as all other tech savvy peers… I still was recognized for one feature I developed yet I’ve had to hear about how slow I am and not up to the standard the industry expects me
– but it makes sense that senior tech co workers will know more than newcomers, beginners. – The peers I had mentioned there were other juniors my age. But I no longer hold this view. There may be a difference in our skills but I have been recognized for other strengths. You said earlier anything can be learned with patience. I will take that advice moving forward.
I tend to ostracize myself, i guess i want to beat others to criticize myself. I envy what others are recognized for and also that more seniors acknowledge them. It has to do with my insecurities – if lesser people appreciate me and their skills are more valued – i may lose my job and “end up on the streets”, and so i am not ” good enough”. It is something i still struggle with but I do think I making some progress in appreciating things I have achieved and skills I have gained..
This core belief is associated with a deep feeling of shame, which is emotionally painful. It is so painful. The number of times i have gone to the washroom at work to cry my eyes out is insane. I used to and still do feel ashamed when the people around me would find a way to poke at this insecurity of mine. I used to feel like giving up on everything.
reason you don’t enjoy many things, feeling that lack of passion and motivation you wrote about, is that where there is shame, there is no passion or motivation. – I was trying to look for reasons as to why i was incompetent. I had decided that it was because I was not passionate enough. But i now see that it is the other way round. If i did not have so much baggage tied to functioning in society and failure, lack of passion/ motivation would have been a non issue.
The problem is not in who you are but in who you believe you are. – thank you! I needed to hear this. Feeling like there is something wrong with me has been unbearable.
The bad news is that it takes a lot of time and a lot of work. – I am ready for it, this plants needs some water!
Do you know of people who deeply believe something that you know is not true, maybe certain religious beliefs? If you do, then you know that it is possible to deeply believe something that is not true. – Yes! But i guess one needs to evaluate if the belief is doing any good for them and challenge it if it is simply causing pain.
In my life experience, I have never come across a woman in her twenties (and you are only 23) as intelligent as you are. I have no way to measure your IQ and am not qualified to do so. What I am referring to as intelligence is your insight, your curiosity, how far reaching your thinking goes. You are also a very honest person, honest with yourself, willing to look at reality, willing to examine it. You are a very evolved person this way, not rigid and limited, but open and capable, competent. As a matter of fact, I have never met a person your age who is.. more competent than you. – Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
I don’t know if i ever mentioned this, but there used to be times when i mentioned how i felt to my mother and she used to just move on to something else as if i had not said anything. It used to make me feel invisible. You have said the most nice things anyone has ever said to me. You feel like family to me. No one has been this understanding and supportive. Thanks a lot. Thank you for taking the bad things that happened to you and using them to help others. It really inspires me.
Girija
March 23, 2019 at 11:42 am #285949AnonymousGuestDear Girija:
I am looking forward to read and reply to your recent post (and to anything you may add to it) when I return to the computer in about 17 hours from now.
anita
March 23, 2019 at 9:07 pm #285997AnonymousInactiveHi anita,
I am looking forward to your reply.
I was thinking about my fears – and it is all about history repeating itself –
1. – Fear of getting fired – like my father did
2. Fear of commitment – i am afraid to get married as the guy may turn out to be like my father or uncles.
3. Fear of not being loved – i think this thread will explain that 🙂
4. Fear of not being accepted – all the things I got bullied for – fat, ugly, nerd – that these are what made me unlikable and will make me unlikable in the future like they did till now.
5. Fear of the unknown – all the what ifs – I think seeing my family crumble and fall has made me defensive – where will the next blow to my life come from?
6. Fear I will not make it – this is similar to 5. That I may not be able to handle life. You have helped me see that there is nothing i could have done in my childhood and more importantly, i am not my parents. However, this fear is that i won’t be able to handle all of life’s surprises.
Do you think changing my core belief would help with these fears too? Or does it involve something else?
And also, how should I start to change the core belief? I don’t care how long it takes, just thinking that I could feel better about myself feels so liberating.
Girija
March 24, 2019 at 7:59 am #286039AnonymousGuestDear Girija:
You are welcome and thank you for your kind words of appreciation!
“I have read in many places that you attract the same type of people until you learn the lessons you have to. Do you think that is true?”-
No, I don’t think it is true except for certain circumstances, such as.. if you go to a bar at 10 PM and the bar has the reputation of heavy drinking going on in there starting at 8 PM, if you attract anyone there, it is likely to be someone drunk.
As far as what you shared earlier, that you met men who had girlfriends, becoming friends with them not knowing they had girlfriends, later getting jealous- I don’t think it means you attracted unavailable men.
“Do you think changing my core belief would help with these fears too?”- yes, I do. Changing your core belief that you are incompetent (“That I may not be able to handle life.. that I won’t be able to handle all of life’s surprises”) will take away most of your ongoing fear, aka anxiety. Believing that you are competent will be like… having a competent, capable person with you at all times, so that when a problem occurs, this person will know what to do and will take care of what needs to be taken care of-
– and that someone will be you!
I wrote to you that it takes a lot of time and a lot of work to change this core belief. Your response was: “I am ready for it, this plant needs some water”-
I want to talk with you about that water, what I mean by it. The rest of this post will be about that water that you need.
You wrote: “there used to be times when I mentioned how I felt to my mother and she used to just move on to something else as if I had not said anything. It used to make me feel invisible”-
You know that you cannot see your face unless you look into a mirror, be it a glass mirror or.. water in a lake that act like a mirror. You can’t see your face without a mirror because of where the eyes are located.
When you mentioned how you felt to your mother and she ignored you as if you didn’t say anything to her, she took away your mirror and you didn’t see yourself. Whatever it was that you told her, was lost.
Like all young children, you loved your mother deeply and wanted nothing more than to please her. You were not angry at her (that came later). But she wasn’t a mirror to your love of her, she ignored it and so, you forgot how you felt for her then. It was lost to you.
When she criticized you, it is something you saw in the mirror, a person worthy of criticism.
Over time, during your earlier childrhood, you got an image in that mirror, an image that is hugely distorted, an image distorted by a distorting mirror, your mother. You don’t see the loving, innocent, eager to please little girl that you were and instead you see someone faulty, worthy of ongoing criticism.
Needing water, in this context, means needing an undistorted mirror, a mirror that will show you accurately who you are.
When I wrote to you earlier the paragraph: “In my life experience… I have never met a person your age who is.. more competent than you”- all that I wrote there, I claim, is a true image of you. That was an accurate mirror showing you an accurate image of who you are.
Problem is core beliefs are formed in early childhood and a child’s mother is powerful in that formation, she is the mirror. To look into an accurate mirror, you have to abandon the distorting mirror, to no longer look there. To do so, you have to go back to your childhood and see for yourself, that you were an innocent, good little girl who loved her mother completely and then betrayed by that mother.
You can’t change your incompetent core belief by achieving anything (all achievements will be dismissed sooner than later) because the belief was formed before you achieved anything.
This is why it is necessary to go back to the time before you achieved anything and see yourself the way you truly were then, at that time.
anita
March 24, 2019 at 8:21 am #286043AnonymousInactiveDear anita,
You are right. I started to believe i was incompetent even before I tried or failed at anything. Even before i achieved anything. This is why when I get criticism, i am never able to think about the things i managed to achieve, they never matter, they don’t even occur to me at that time.
she took away your mirror and you didn’t see yourself. Whatever it was that you told her, was lost. – as i read this I realized one thing. I tend to want to make sure everyone around me likes being around me – as in they are not bored and are engaged. I crack jokes – and this was not inherently my nature, i used to be a detached loner before. But around high school I used to joke a lot – it could be a good thing but i guess using your metaphor, i needed the mirror to show me good things. So i needed people to like being around me. And to this day I am easily affected by the slightest change in the mood or tone of the people around me. I feel the need to entertain them, i see it as a reflection of who i am. And i seem to have an unhealthy obsession to be liked by and impress people around me. I need to be admired. I need people to treat me well to the point that if they don’t I will go over what I did to deserve it or defend myself ferociously.
I honestly do not have any memories as a child besides a few here and there. Before encountering the mirror? I honestly am not sure, but as you said and in general knowing children, i would have been a kind, innocent and happy-go-lucky kid that is happy being engaged by the people around her and does not have anything to prove or achieve.
Girija
March 24, 2019 at 8:30 am #286049AnonymousGuestDear Girija:
“I tend to want to make sure everyone around me likes being around me… I needed people to like being around me”- the mirror in your mind is showing your mother not liking being around you, this is what you keep seeing, seeing her not liking being around you.
Isn’t it true, that she didn’t enjoy being around you?
anita
March 24, 2019 at 8:56 am #286055AnonymousInactiveYes, anita. I was looking for acceptance. To feel like I deserved to be on this earth and that I am not a burden. I always feel like I am a burden. I just realized that another reason why i would not ask for help was i felt like i was being a burden. I feel the need to offer something to people. So when I am given something big at work – to me it also becomes a mission to earn acceptance that i belong there. That I am not a burden – that i am enough. But I decide i am unacceptable anyways which is probably why i never try. And if it is something insignificant – i take that as a reflection that I am not worthy. (My manager has some responsibility in this. Time and again he uses one flaw to completely leave a person behind)
My mother did not enjoy anything. I feel bad for her. She was taken prisoner if you ask me, put away by her own parents. But this is a part of the system so she never realized it. And it scares me to think I could have easily become the same person.
I was just a child looking for love and making my mother happy. I do see that. I don’t have a memory of me trying and there were times when she would listen and offer advice but I have countless memories of her not caring about my emotions. But when i was really down, even when she did listen and this was the hardest thing ever – she would say ” i already have enough to deal with your father, i can’t put up with you too if you get depressed”. As if I could choose to not be depressed.
And another thing – i used to recall this from time to time earlier but was buried away in my mind eventually. It came back to me just now – i had mentioned that I used to throw the tantrums, it used to be along the lines of “ah! I just want to leave this house”, it was said out of frustration and i never meant to attack her. I used to say this whenever i had had enough. One time, i was seriously scared about what would happen to us if my father lost my job (i think ending up on the streets was a fear that started around this time), when i think back to it i still get that dreadful feeling in my stomach – with this dread i asked her – “what will we do if dad loses his job” and she said ( i am being honest) – “we will just have to kill ourselves”. And when i looked shocked she said – “oh aren’t you the one that is always yelling about wanting to leave, why are you scared now”? She used that moment to get back at me. I did take her literally though and i still hold that in my mind i think.
It may not have to do anything with changing my core belief but i feel a little overwhelmed by the recollection so i wrote it here.
Girija
March 24, 2019 at 9:29 am #286067AnonymousGuestDear Girija:
By the way, your replies in other threads are amazing, exceptionally intelligent and insightful not only for a person in her early twenties but for any age!
“I feel a little overwhelmed by the recollection so I wrote it here”- what we are doing here is overwhelming, the emotions that glue those core beliefs, they are overwhelming. This is why this kind of work should be done in the context of psychotherapy, over time, with a capable therapist, both the therapist and you working hard, over time, persistently, patiently and gently.
(Problem is many therapists did not resolve their own relationships with their mothers and so, they are unable to be helpful to the client after a certain point, not being able to help the client examine a reality the therapist herself didn’t yet examine!)
In our communication here, whenever you feel overwhelmed, take a break and come back to the thread whenever it is that you are ready.
“My mother did not enjoy anything. I feel bad for her. She was a prisoner…this is part of the system so she never realized it”- your hope is not in understanding her, explaining her and the system, feeling empathy for her. Your hope is in feeling empathy for the child that you were.
“My mother did not enjoy anything” and that included you, she didn’t enjoy you. The baby and young child that you were smiled at your mother, reached out to her again and again, but she didn’t smile back at you.
What you needed so to see in the mirror that you are a good girl, that you are likable, that you are okay- was to see her looking at you with a smile.
You asked her what will happen if your father lost his job, she told you: “we will just have to kill ourselves”. Next, you “looked shocked”-
– seeing you shocked, scared, did she feel empathy for you, saying to you something like: oh, I am so sorry, no.. we will be okay if he lost his job, I will take care of you, we will be okay-
-no, instead of empathy, she felt anger at you and used the opportunity to hurt you by adding guilt to your fear (“oh aren’t you the one that is always yelling about wanting to leave, why are you scared now”).
This is what I meant by betrayal, she betrayed the girl who loved her and trusted her, and she did so at times intentionally, as in the example you gave. She wanted to hurt you and then proceeded to say what it took to hurt you.
Therefore, really, the system doesn’t matter, her childhood doesn’t matter, these don’t matter to the context of you-and-her. What matters is that you trusted her and she hurt you at times intentionally… and did not apologize for having done so, later, did she.
anita
March 24, 2019 at 10:09 am #286075AnonymousInactiveDear anita,
Thanks for the compliment 🙂 You inspired me to reply to other threads!
And as for apologizing, my mother never did that. If anything we end up being upset or fight when I bring these things up. Sometimes i am confrontational but at other times i have simply tried to get her perspective. Sometimes she just says ” you are simply looking to fight”. The thing i am most upset with her – and this my sister agrees with too – is that she used us as a dustbin for all her issues, she fed toxic things to our brains. I grew very resentful towards my father and grandmother for that reason. I had apologized if i was abusing this forum back when i wrote my first thread – it comes from this. That i will probably never be able to listen to or advice people helping me but i am dumping my problems on them. My mother was hardly available for us but we were her microphones for all her problems, if that makes sense.
I can see how she betrayed me – when I went to her afraid looking for safety and reassurance, trusting her that she would be able to do that – she used the trust to hurt me. And I think I have been looking for the safety and reassurance since then and possibly why i feel lost. I look for them everywhere, carrying a burden of my “flaws” while feeling unsafe and lonely.
Girija
March 24, 2019 at 10:39 am #286091AnonymousGuestDear Girija:
You are welcome.
“I have simply tried to get her perspective. Sometimes she just says ‘you are simply looking to fight’-“-
– her perspective is something like this: my life is difficult, this is how difficult it is: …. (feeling relief as she expresses it), don’t add difficulty to my already difficult life, don’t bother me.
That is all.
anita
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