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April 20, 2019 at 9:15 pm #290017RJGParticipant
GL- Yes, I am panicking big time. And all you said is true. I am still trying to prove him right in my head and find fault with my doings during the course of my time spent with him. I am over analyzing the conversations we had just to prove myself wrong. I know it’s not healthy. I know this isn’t gonna solve things for me. But I am doing it. Infact I have been spending the last few nights rewinding & replaying the entire scene of what happened when I was with him. Not just that, I have also been visualizing how and what our future meet ups should look like- although I know there’s no future. While I understand all that I’m doing is only bringing me more pain and is not helping me in anyway, I am unable to stop these thoughts and imaginary world i am painting.
On calming myself down- I am trying. I had to visit my family for a week and I’m with them from 4 days now. I have been spending time with them, watching movies together, running a lot of errands and all of it. But my mind is all into this guy. Not for a micro second my thoughts are diverted from him- irrespective of what i am doing and that is draining me completely. That’s exactly why i want to take up a hobby (which i don’t have) that would keep me motivated and boost my self esteem. But i don’t find myself interested in doing anything.
April 21, 2019 at 7:39 am #290035AnonymousGuestDear RJG:
You started your thread with: “To start with, I am completely an anxious attachment style 30 year old woman”-
– do I understand correctly, following reading your recent post to me, that you were not an anxious attachment style before your first boyfriend ghosted you?
I mean, with your parents, you were not an anxious attachment style but a secure attachment style?
anita
April 21, 2019 at 7:45 pm #290077RJGParticipantAnita- Yes, that’s right. I pretty much had a secure attachment style before my first boyfriend ghosted. Is there a way i can move back to being secure and just not get emotionally dependent on someone so quickly?
April 22, 2019 at 8:37 am #290117AnonymousGuestDear RJG:
Well, because you were secure before this first relationship and because this relationship was so harmful to you, better we talk about that relationship, it is too important in your mind and life not to.
Will you tell me about it, this relationship, just type away about it, however long it may be?
anita
April 22, 2019 at 8:38 am #290121AnonymousGuest* didn’t reflect under Topics
May 3, 2019 at 4:24 am #292299RJGParticipantHi Anita- Firstly, apologies for the long break. I have been trying to get myself together but in vain. I have been doing brisk walking for 5kms a day, taking online dance lessons, cooking everyday, putting on some basic makeup and getting ready for work, writing and doing everything possible & have never done before but always wanted to. All this in a bid to feel better, happy and get his memories (the one this thread is about) out of my system but i find myself standing in the same place where i started. What am i doing wrong? How am i doing wrong? I really did enjoy being with him. As i mentioned in my initial post, i do not get physical easily. Alright, to tell the truth i am a 30 year old virgin (atleast technically). I really do not get physical or intimate in dates. I did not share with him this fact though. There was something in this man that just made me fall for him. I am telling you, it was something real (atleast from my side), something that filled me with bliss (not just physically). I just want to know from him what went wrong where. I know it sounds foolish, but for once i need closure in a relation. I am just tired of never having or getting any closures. I am tired of being stood up on. I am just plain tired. All i am doing is rewinding and replaying some of the nice things he said like- ‘i am so into you’, while asking me to come over his place on one of the occasions, he said- ‘bring your clothes so you can get ready for office tomorrow morning and i will drop you at work’ and stuff like that which makes me think if he did not mean anything beyond physical why would he say these things? That too when i was already intimate? Was it because he sensed all the insecurities i have?
I can narrate an incident that happened on the last night i spent with him and maybe you can help me with insights? I see you are just exceptionally good at it.
So, once we were done getting intimate and were almost about to crash (actually he was since i hardly got sleep at his place. Might be anxiety? I don’t know), his phone rang. It should be around midnight i suppose since i did not note the time. He loves his sleep and so was in no mood to even acknowledge the phone ringing. It rang again and i insisted he picked since i was curious to know who would be calling him at that point in time. He did take the call after i said although the true caller showed some weird name. It was a woman on the other end trying to fool around by saying they had met at a bar in a different city (city which is nearly 2k miles away) and they had shared their numbers. He said he doesn’t remember and not been to that city for atleast 3years. She kept fooling around (i could hear since i was close next to him) and while he wasn’t rude to her, he did politely shun off saying he doesn’t remember and its too late a night for him to engage in that conversation and would rather prefer sleeping to glory. He did joke around and laugh around a bit in the call. Did not sound flirtatious but more like fun. But this incident just put me off totally. My insecurity shot up and sky rocketed at this point. I did overthink a lot and once he kept the call, he started saying me what the woman on the other end was saying (which i could hear myself) and also pointed out it might be some known friends playing a prank. I went mute after he kept the call since i was into my own world of thoughts. He tried asking me very politely why am i being angry and annoyed when i was the one who asked him to take the call. He tried consoling me by giving me a warm hug but i just was mute and cold and also argued a bit. He then said he is an artist (he plays music as hobby and is really good at it) and he gets to meet a lot of people and that’s just part of how it is and there is no reason for me to be so doubtful of. I just wasn’t out of it but then just slept.
The next morning, we made out as we woke up. And then he would just sleep on my shoulders saying its pure peace (he used to say that often whenever he rested his head on my shoulders). We have a nice quiet time for 20mins and then i book a cab to get back home so i can go to work. All this while i was still not out of anxiety and insecurity that shot up the previous night. My cab had arrived and i just got up, kissed his cheeks, he tried pulling me for a hug but i pulled myself back and just left. I did not talk a word. That’s exactly how it ended.
Apologies for making it this lengthy. I am actually looking for help to break this pattern. Pattern of getting stood up on while everything looks normal and good. At this point i am feeling extremely lonely and hopeless. Honestly i no longer believe i would meet someone who would stay by.
May 3, 2019 at 8:05 am #292313AnonymousGuestDear RJG:
I thoroughly read and studied all your posts on this thread. This is my current understanding:
You are now 30, single and employed: “I do have a very well paying job and I like my work- keeps me sane, fed and occupied”.
You have been suffering from depression for years: “I have been into depression for a good number of years… My depression over the years have left me with no hobbies and I hardly have interest in anything… apart from (job), there’s absolutely nothing I look forward to”.
In the context of relationships with men, you feel very anxious: “I am completely an anxious attachment style 30 year old woman… Recently a month ago, I met a man in a club.. I was anxious… A day later given my anxiety I started texting… I keep ruminating over it… My insecurity shot up and sky rocketed .. I did overthink a lot”.
In the context of relationships with your parents/ family members (something you shared nothing about), you may not feel anxious, but not because you didn’t and don’t suffer anxiety in this context from an early age, early on, but because you shut down emotionally.
You wrote: “I want to be absolutely unaffected and independent emotionally”- I think that you successfully managed to feel unaffected and emotionally independent in the context of your family, not because of absence of significant, ongoing conflicts and anxiety in this context, but because you have shut down emotionally early on.
This emotional shut down is the reason why you, an intelligent woman, are so clueless in the context of relationships with men, not seeing what is clearly evident in front of you. Functioning well in the context of intimate relationships (not only of the romantic kind) takes an emotional intelligence that you are lacking because you have been shut down emotionally for a long time.
This early life emotional shut down involves pushing fear away from awareness. It allows you to function as well as you do. But it also brings about depression as the brain/body is exhausted pushing fear away on an ongoing basis, and it is impossible push fear away/ shut it down best you can, without also shutting down joy, curiosity, and that call-of-the-wild.
This early life emotional shut down is the reason for your poor emotional intelligence, or understanding. This shut down is not complete, by the way, so you still feel some joy, some excitement here and there, but depressed most of the time.
You wrote: “there was something in this man… it was something real.. something that filled me with bliss (not just physically)”- you misunderstood that bliss to mean that this short relationship was about love. The misunderstanding is that a feeling on your part means a reality outside yourself.
Let’s look at the reality outside yourself in this short relationship: a man met you in a club and asked for your number, the day after he called you, met you in the eveningat his place and made out, “it was all physical”. The next day he met you at his place again, “it was all physical” and he spent the night with you. After you left his place, he called you (day # 3 of the relationship) to ask if you arrived home. He didn’t contact you the rest of the day or the day after, and after you texted him repeatedly he said he’ll call you later. He did and had you come over to his place again and “again we got physical”, he spent the night with you (night #4). The next morning (day # 5) you left his place. He didn’t call you that day, or the day after, of the day after that. The next time you saw him was on day and night # 14, he had you in his place and it got physical once again. He did not contact you since.
You stated that “Throughout the entire period”, 14 days and nights total, that you spent time with him, there was “no attempt whatsoever from his side to strike a real conversation or to know about me, or meet me outside”, and one time, around midnight when you spent the night with him, he got a call from a woman, “it was a woman on the other end trying to fool around by saying they had met at a bar in a different city.. and they had shared their numbers”.
The story of your 14 day-and-night relationship so clearly indicates that the man was interested in one thing and one thing only- sex. It takes a very emotionally shut down woman to not see what is so obviously clear.
You observed and recorded certain facts but you don’t put them together into a picture of what was going on. You replay “some of the nice things he said like- ‘I am so into you’, while asking me to come over his place”, and that, you wrote, “makes me think if he did not mean anything beyond physical why would he say these things”. You don’t see that a man who says “I am so into you” in the context he said it, within the 14 days, means that his interest in you has been sexual and only sexual.
You wrote about this relationship, “I want to make sure it’s dead before I could bury it. I have so many questions & got answers to none”- you don’t see that on his part there was nothing alive that is now dead other than his sexual drive. There is nothing to burry, and no questions unanswered.
You wrote that your first boyfriend ghosted you, out of the blue, and you were “Absolutely clueless about what happened”- you were clueless then as you are now. It is possible that he did ghost you out of the blue, but I will not be surprised if you didn’t see what was evident then.
Let me know what you think about my understanding at this point, and if you want we can continue to communicate.
anita
May 4, 2019 at 7:33 pm #292405KayParticipantDear RJG,
I relate so much with you. I had been ghosted by every single man I had interacted in a romantic aspect, and I know the kind of anxiety it comes with it.
I wish I had an answer or solution, but I still do not have one. I am just witnessing you.
kay
May 6, 2019 at 8:08 pm #292631RJGParticipantHi Kay. I’m sorry you’re one among many of us. I hope we learn from every experience and come out stronger and try not to control which is beyond oneself.
May 6, 2019 at 8:13 pm #292633RJGParticipantHi Anita- Firstly, i would like to pass on a lot of gratitude for taking all the time to carefully read through every tiny detail and providing an insight.
I am not clear about the emotional shut down you had mentioned though. If i were emotionally shut down why do i feel so much of anxiety, sadness and loneliness? Does an emotionally shut down person not mean the one free of all these emotions?
May 7, 2019 at 7:37 am #292665AnonymousGuestDear RJG:
You are very welcome. Regarding the early life emotional shut down I suggested- no human can shut down and feel nothing at all, become a sort of a machine, a robot. We are emotional by nature, born that way and always will be emotional. When we resist a particular emotion, we get anxious, distressed, because emotions are meant to be felt and as we feel the emotion, we kind of.. listen to the message in it. For example, we feel fear, the message is: pay attention, or run-away, or freeze/ play dead. We feel anger, the message is: someone is hurting me, run away or fight, and so on.
The early life emotional shut down is about a child feeling fear but she can’t run away, or feeling anger, but she can’t fight, so she is stuck, nowhere to run, no way to fight, the fear and anger are strong.. can’t survive like that, so she shuts down, turns down the volume of the fear and anger.
And so, a child survives childhood and on in the context of life with her parents, but when she interacts with other adults, her fear and anger are not there to give her the messages required. She feels anxious, depressed, distressed, sometimes scared and angry, but the emotions are in a mix up, and the woman is unclear, lost, not knowing how to interpret what is going on, or misinterprets.
anita
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