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  • #366092
    Lea
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    “Clearly, from what you shared, he is scared of being close to a woman, in his mind he jumps straight to: she wants to marry me! (if I remember correctly). I imagine, with the intensity of his fear- his emotional withdrawal is probably immediate, similar to withdrawing your hand from a hot stove! (…)  He senses that you want romance, and immediately any and all loving feelings run away, gone!” => And still, he keeps reaching me out while it seems that I represent a “danger” for him, he knows my feelings, he knows I’m not ready either, “he wants you in his life, he probably likes you, but he’s not ready yet and scared” a friend of mine told me recently.

    #366095
    Anonymous
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    Dear Lea:

    The fear is not always there- he gets scared, he gets away.. he calms down, forgets the fear, calls you.. it gets too intense for him and he gets away again.

    anita

    #366118
    Lea
    Participant

    I see, I think I’m starting to understand many things which happened during summer then. Once, we spent one week talking everyday in average 6/7h per day. We were getting very closes (sending to each others videos of us playing music especially for the other and so) and the week after, all of sudden he.. “disappeared”. Well, not disappearing but we talked much less and when I did references to the week before he seemed less comfortable I’d say, I don’t know how to correctly express the feeling I had from him at this moment. Point is, I was kinda confused, jumping from getting closes to almost strangers.. And he did the same many times through the past few months actually. Most part of my confusion comes from that behavior towards me. I mean, again, I think that if the person you talk with make you feel completely indifferent (pure friendship feelings), aren’t you supposed to be more.. constant? Also, it shouldn’t trigger his anxiety, you shouldn’t be scared about the person mostly when you both have made your positions. He insisted a lot to keep in touch after he decided to stop everything. I made my positions towards him, I told him I didn’t expect anything from him and that I was ok to keep talking to him so technically nothing was supposed to trigger him anymore right?

    Now it’s a bit different, we have less time to talk as we have both started university again and he has a very busy schedule. Plus, according to himself, “I like socializing with people in the class but oh god, it drains so much energy from me, i’m feeling so exhausted”.

    So I don’t know, I have this inner guts that it’s not over with him but we need space and distance, we can’t continue like this and I can’t force destiny. I’m accepting the fact that he’s not ready yet and that he won’t before a longtime. I just wished he would have been direct with me about what I was for him the same way he was when he decided to stop.

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 3 months ago by Lea.
    #366120
    Lea
    Participant

    Also, I just thought about it, he has plenty of female friends from whom he’s very close. Why would I be different from those girls then? Why would I trigger his anxiety while these girl friends no? I mean, after all the time we spent talking, we can’t talk about  simple polite conversations anymore. After all he was the one who wanted to “see me but in a more casual way”

    EDIT: Ok yes I think I understand, he wanted to see me in a more casual way because he was getting triggered. I didn’t understand that when he first told me it and tried to explain, so I low-key pushed the relation in a way he wasn’t comfortable at all and he didn’t dare openly expressing the fact that he had anxiety (I can understand, when you meet someone new, this isn’t really what you want to show at first) and so. He stopped the “giving a try” not because he didn’t like me but because as I spent my time (involuntarily, well at least I hope) triggering his anxiety and because I didn’t understand before why he wanted to see me in a “casual way”, he didn’t have the choice to stop everything. Right? Now we are still talking, because not only he “values” me but also we are finally in the casual situation he wanted since the beginning and it fits into what he feels the most comfortable. He’s not ready but like my friend says “he wants you in his life” and that casual situation he wanted, is his way to build the trust before engaging himself into something serious. While my pattern and the one from all my past relationships was the following one: we meet someone, we date and at the same time we build the trust within the relationship (in the big lines). Or am I overthinking it?

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 3 months ago by Lea.
    #366133
    Anonymous
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    Dear Lea:

    I will respond to all of your recent posts:

    You wrote regarding your mother: “Until today I had the hope she had changed a bit”- better let go of that hope. People adjust, but adjusting is not the same as changing. Here is an example: your mother is a negative person, but at the beginning of her relationship with her current boyfriend, she adjusted to her new relationship by hiding her negativity in his presence (“At the beginning of their relationship.. she didn’t really dare being too much negative”), but as time went on, she resumed her negative behavior toward you and she started being negative toward him (“now she doesnt even care. She spends a lot of time being negative towards him as well”).

    “I’m glad that at 25 I’ve already matured enough to step back and stop taking everything she says too much at heart.. all those words, I would need to hear them from her, and not from someone else in order to stop being anxious”- the words that you needed from your mother (that she approves of you and likes you just the way you are, that she wants you to make your own decisions in life, etc.),  you needed to hear those words early on. There is a time-limit for a child when her mother’s words can make a difference. If you heard those words back when you were a child, you wouldn’t be the anxious person that you are now. If she tells you these words now, she will not undo your anxiety.

    It is only the child part in you that may think that if she tells you now what you needed to hear then, it will make a significant difference to you. But as a young woman, you are already formed: the connections in your brain have been formed, your mental habits have been formed. New words from your mother will not undo these.

    “It’s been 3 years now I go back only for summer and for Christmas.. and STILL, she successes to be extremely conflictual/ negative.. she always find a way to ignite conflicts”- your current contact with your mother, telephone contact and those 3 visits per year, are keeping those connections in your brain, those mental habits and anxiety strong. If these connections loosened a bit when you are away from her, they get tightened when in contact with her.

    “Standing for what’s right for us is certainly the quality I respect”, opposite to the behavior you disrespect, such as your mother’s boyfriend being her “mental slave” and a coward, as you referred to him, not standing up to her- I admire this quality about you, Lea: being a rebel.

    Regarding the guy, you asked: “am I overthinking it?”. My answer is: yes, you are and have been overthinking it because thinking about him is not productive: no positive changes in your life (or his) result from all that thinking.

    He is a young man who gets “so exhausted” when socializing with people, and he needs lots of alone time. He was able to talk with you for hours on the phone because of the limited nature of a phone call: you were not there with him physically- he was still alone when talking with you because you weren’t there in person.

    He talked with you recently for 1.5 hours when you met him randomly because he didn’t spend any time anticipating the meeting and getting anxious about it (it was an unplanned meeting).

    “I told him I didn’t expect anything from him.. so technically nothing was supposed to trigger him anymore right?”- wrong. Remember what I wrote just above, in regard to your mother? What she told you when you were a young child formed the connections in your brain. If she told you now, while you are an adult, what you needed her to day then, it wouldn’t undo those connections. Same with him: he is an adult. What you tell him now will not undo what he heard when he was a child.

    If his mother had expectations of him when he was a child, expectations that burdened him so much and caused him lots of anxiety, then you telling him that you don’t have expectations from him will not make a difference to him.

    “I just wished he would have been direct with me about what I was for him”- I think that for him, when you get too close, you are a threat to him.

    “he has plenty of female friends whom he’s very close. Why would I be different from those girls then? Why would I trigger his anxiety while these girl friends no?”- if he is very close with other girls, then that closeness would trigger his anxiety, just as his closeness with you triggered his anxiety.

    “my friend says ‘he wants you in his life”- not too close, I say, not as a girlfriend and a partner in life. Frankly, I think you are wasting your time thinking about him.

    anita

    #366283
    Lea
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

     

    I will start a therapy soon, I finally feel ready to do and go until the end of the process. I think it is more than about time for me. I have so many issues I need to fix with the help of a professional. I can’t keep overthinking about the same things again and again. I need to move forward in my life, I need to health from the past. This is why I think this message will more or less conclude this thread. I am not sure if I will repost here or not someday.

     

    Anyway, thank you a lot for everything you did for me, your words and your kindness mean a lot, taking all this time to analyze and think with me, I couldn’t expect a better start towards my healing. I wish you the best in the future.

    #366294
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lea:

    You are welcome. I am glad to read that you will be starting therapy soon.

    Not all therapists are created equal, so to speak. I hope you choose a therapist who is competent, empathetic, hard working and professional, that (like the therapist I had, who practiced Cognitive Behavioral Therapy with a heavy touch of Mindfulness), after a few sessions of getting to know you, he or she will come up with an evaluation of you, and objectives for the therapy, that she will give you homework from session to session. Also, in the first few sessions evaluate the therapist yourself: ask him or her questions about what she believes in regarding topics that matter to you most,  and what she feels about this or that, so to determine compatibility.

    Thank you for your appreciation and best wishes for me in the future, I wish you the same!

    anita

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