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June 28, 2018 at 5:14 am #214543
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GuestDear Karen:
You wrote that it shouldn’t worry you what others think, but for some reason it does. My comment on this is that it is natural to worry about what other people think of us. It is an inborn concern for any social animal. Within a herd for example, or a pack of animals, if members of the herd or the pack reject one particular individual, that means likely death for that individual following the rejection. Rejected from the herd or the pack, the individual is less likely to hunt successfully or be protected while feeding by the members around, shielding the individual from predators.
So we are born with that concern.
The challenge for us as humans is to examine any particular situation and figure out: if I am disapproved of by this individual or that group of people, what does it mean to me? Is there a disadvantage to me in practical terms as a result of such disapproval/ rejection?
For a young child, like other young animals, rejection by one’s parents, by one’s mother, usually, means death to the young animal, not being able to find food by herself or be protected. So children are very much affected by any sign of rejection by a parent.
anita
June 28, 2018 at 9:09 am #214595Karen
ParticipantDear Anita
I think want I meant is, an outsiders opinion on my relationship shouldn’t matter to me, as they don’t know what happens behind closed doors and what they think or say when i’m not there has no ability to actually change the heath of our union.
Me & my partner have a great deal of open communication and trust, so it shouldn’t matter to me if my friends & acquaintances think we are perfect or not.
In fact I don’t believe any relationship can be perfect as humans all make mistakes along the line, the only real mistake would be not to learn and grown from them. I have learnt from mine, I just need to let go of the guilt, stop wishing to go back in time (as it is impossible), move on and be the best me in the future.
On a side note….. I have been doing guided meditations first thing every morning for the last two days, getting good exercise and my intrusive thoughts and anxiety have been far more sporadic, which is good news. Plus I have my appointment with the GP tomorrow, so let’s hope they help me too.
June 28, 2018 at 10:29 am #214599Anonymous
GuestDear Karen:
Keep doing what works for you (as nothing works perfectly, every time), guided meditations and exercise. I hope the appointment with the GP leads to something helpful to you.
I understand your point about other people’s opinions about your relationship. Did anyone, his parents, yours, anyone make a negative comment about the relationship?
Regarding a perfect relationship- you have been focusing on the one casual, insignificant otherwise occasion where yo flirted with a guy. I have a question: does having a perfect relationship include the following: your boyfriend never flirting, however casually, with another, neither one of you ever feeling angry at the other, neither one of you ever feeling unhappy in the company of the other, neither one of you having a negative thought about the other?
anita
June 28, 2018 at 11:34 am #214609Karen
ParticipantHey again
No, nobody has said anything. It’s more me worrying somebody is thinking or saying things when I am not there.
Everyone has said we have something very special and I shouldn’t let something as harmless as a drunken flirt, send me into a spiral that could ruin that.
I don’t know what the perfect relationship is, I just guess I feel I let us down in someway but being so attention seeking that night.
I genuinely think that sober flirting is harmless and doesn’t bother me at all, I don’t reallt do it myself as I am quite stand offish, but My partner is a naturally friendly guy and I know there is nothing in it. I used to be able to handle having a negative thought, is being angry (as long as it was sorted before bed) or the feeling of having a little rough patch. It’s only been the last 3 weeks where these things have sent me into a spin!
June 29, 2018 at 3:34 am #214669Anonymous
GuestDear Karen:
I am studying your posts so far on your thread trying to look for the origin of your anxiety.
You wrote: “Depression kicked in during secondary school.. with a very strong feeling of being isolated, different and misunderstood by everyone around me“, and “I deeply fear people seeing me in a negative light”.
As a teenager, you wrote, you did “small things” when you were drunk and you are afraid that you “will be scandalized by my past”.
Recently, you flirted with an acquaintance of yours and your partner’s. Following that flirting you believed that you “had tarnished mine and my partner’s amazing relationship” and that “everyone would be talking about what I had done”. You felt that you “ruined something I saw as perfect“.
You worry about “what his parents are thinking of me” and recently had a nightmare “about my partner leaving me after being influenced by his parents”.. The flirting “made me feel like my relationship is no longer perfect and that people outside of our relationship would be able to make negative comments about it and judge us”.
I am thinking that maybe you really were misunderstood as a child, that it may be that it happened repeatedly that you did something (“something I saw as perfect”), had no ill intent, didn’t mean anything bad by it, but a parent reacted angrily to what you did as if you did something wrong, bad and damaging.
That led to the fear that you will do something catastrophically wrong but not know about it until after the fact, until someone tells you that it was catastrophically wrong and by then your life will be ruined.
Think about it and let me know what you think, will you?
anita
June 29, 2018 at 3:52 am #214671Karen
ParticipantWow
I had never thought about that. I did quite frequently get told off for things that were minor. This was for two reasons. Firstly I think very differently to my family, so sometimes I would as questions or say things that would be misinterpreted due to their lack of understanding and not understanding my intention. Also my sister was out of control to the point where my parents had no control over her. This lead to me getting screamed at a lot because as my mum could scream at her for her big things, she would scream at me for my little things. I was always having to take a back seat, as I was a child who never fought back or said no.
I had to be the good child because my mum always already had a bad child.
June 29, 2018 at 3:58 am #214675Anonymous
GuestDear Karen:
Can you give me examples of the “little things” about which she screamed at you?
anita
June 29, 2018 at 12:31 pm #214729Karen
ParticipantHi Anita
Well one time I remember getting screamed at for cutting small holes in my jumper to put my thumbs threw at the same time my mum had just been told my sister threatened a teacher and got no punishment.
I did get help today at the GP which is good.
June 29, 2018 at 1:28 pm #214731Anonymous
GuestDear Karen:
I am not very focused right now, so I would like to re-read your recent two posts tomorrow morning when I am more focused. If you would like to post by then answering the following, please do:
What help did you get at the GP?
You wrote in the post before last: “sometimes I would as questions or say things that would be misinterpreted… not understanding my intentions”- can you give a couple of examples of things you said or questions you asked that were misinterpreted, your intention misunderstood?
* Will be back in about 13 hours.
anita
June 30, 2018 at 4:04 am #214795Anonymous
GuestDear Karen:
You wrote: “This lead to me getting screamed at a lot… she (your mother) would scream at me”- I am not referring now to the different ways your mother treated you and your sister. I am referring here to her screaming at you, and to nothing else.
Screaming scares a child. Screaming is an expression of aggression.
I live in a wooded area with cougars (mountain lions). It is recommended that when facing a cougar, to scream as loud as you can (and make yourself look as big as you can). It is recommended because even an adult cougar who can easily overpower a person gets scared when the person screams.
A child gets scared when a parent screams.
Sometimes, as I understand it, your mother misunderstood your intention and screamed at you. If your mother didn’t assume you mean this or that, and instead would have asked you (calmly, not loudly) what you meant, then there wouldn’t have been a connection made in your brain between being misunderstood and suffering aggression.
Without this connection, following the drunk flirting with the guy, you would say to yourself something like: I will not drink again when out and about if my boyfriend is not with me, or some such lesson-learned, and then you would have let it go.
anita
June 30, 2018 at 4:42 am #214799Karen
ParticipantYeah I just think I have always felt the pressure not to let people down and always act correctly or perfectly to make other people’s lives easier….even if that meant me suffering.
I don’t actually drink to the extent of being drunk if my partner is not there, just because I feel it makes me vunrable and puts me in an unsafe position. When my boyfriend is there he will make sure I get home safely etc because I do tend to blackout.
I think the reason I have struggled with this so hard, is because about 5 years ago I had gone to a wedding, again with free wine and got too drunk and acted in a similar way and hurt my boyfriends feelings, after that I told myself I would drink that much and lose myself again. Obviously after 5 years of drinking with no issues I let my guard down and drank a bit too much. I think that’s why it hit me so hard, because I didn’t learn enough from the first time!
June 30, 2018 at 4:44 am #214803Karen
ParticipantAlso my GP has referred me to have an assessment to see if I qualify for free therapy. Which hopefully will all go well, because I can’t really afford to go privately.
June 30, 2018 at 5:41 am #214811Anonymous
GuestDear Karen:
There was a price to pay for that free wine (not so free after all). I hope you do qualify for therapy and that it will be therapy with a capable, empathetic therapist.
You wrote that you “always felt the pressure not to let people down and always act correctly or perfectly to make other people’s lives easier”- to not let people down (and make their lives easier) so that they don’t get angry at you and don’t scream at you or punish you in some way?
anita
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