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April 5, 2016 at 5:11 pm #100970GigiParticipant
Hi friends,
I have been with my boyfriend for a year now. We were close friends at one point during a time when I was married and got involved a few months after I got separated. My marriage lasted only a year because I never really had any sexual attraction to my husband. I immediately fell for my current boyfriend because he was physically my type, extremely sweet and commitment minded. In a way it felt like he was rescuing me and maybe I did idealize the situation but my attraction for him has only grown stronger. I have realized in several past relationships that I know it’s over when I no longer want to be intimate.
However, my bf and I began to have disagreements because he stopped initiating sex as often as I would like. He has told me that he naturally has a low sex drive, but it still gets to me and I feel very inadequate. He also spends a lot of time playing video games (he is 33) and I don’t have a problem with that but it does seem to get in the way.
The main insecurity I have is that I live in his house he shared with his ex and I continuously find cards, notes, pictures, etc. from the relationship. I also found sexual items! I told him to please do a quick clean up which he did, but I knew of more things such as a prom picture. Something that old doesn’t really bother me, but the more frustrated I got the more I snapped at him to clean up the stuff. I feel like a crazy person because I’m usually not jealous but the insecurities would not go away.
I did see a therapist who told me I was not used to being vulnerable to which I agree. All my relationships have been dull or verbally abusive and I am used to reading stuff like this as a manipulation technique but my bf just gets extremely hurt and tells me he never meant to upset me.
How can I remedy this situation? I have usually been the secure one in certain relationships and now I feel like an emotional wreck. I do know I also feel a lot of guilt for how I handled my marriage and it does make me feel like I deserve to be screwed over.April 5, 2016 at 8:47 pm #100981AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
I have questions for you to help me understand what is going on. If you would like to answer me, please do. Here are the questions:
1. You wrote in the first paragraph that it felt like your boyfriend was rescuing you, from what? What did you need to be rescued from?
2. Why did you get married (the one year marriage)? What was the relationship with the short term husband like? Why do you feel guilt about that marriage?
3. You agreed with the therapist who said that you are not used to being vulnerable. Can you elaborate on what you mean by not being used to be vulnerable?
anita
April 6, 2016 at 6:54 am #101008GigiParticipantHi Anita, thanks for responding!
1. I felt that he was rescuing me from a bad situation at the time. my husband was still messaging me and being somewhat harassing. I had moved in with my only female friend at the time and she was becoming very critical and using me for her errands and extra money when I was already paying her. My boyfriend had been their to listen during all of this, especially when I had a lot of guilt about my past and I thought I wouldn’t be able to find anybody else. He kept telling me that I was a great person. Also even though I have been supporting myself, it felt nice to be with someone who had their life together whereas my husband made me take care of the majority of our finances, finding places to live, etc.
2. My ex husband and I met in college and our relationship was fairly casual before marriage. I had been kind of a party girl so I felt like it was just time to settle down and we decided to get married. When I started working after graduation I became attracted to men who were more ambitious and I began to lose interest. I would spend a lot of my nights out with friends. he would yell at me because I had guy friends, and it was just constant fighting. I even asked him to go to therapy and he said no. I realized that I was with the wrong person but I felt so guilty about my actions. I would threaten to leave, he would get very upset and cry and I would stay. But I felt like I could have been more honest about it. He turned very nasty at the end but at the beginning was very sweet so I struggle to forget the good in him.
3. I feel vulnerable now because I really care what my new bf thinks about me and I feel like I would be devastated to lose him. I have been with a lot of men just to have a boyfriend when I really didn’t care much deep down. I have had several relationships also that turned abusive and the men were clingy and jealous. My boyfriend is completely the opposite and is not jealous or controlling in the least. I guess I still associate love with some jealous or crazy behavior and it’s hard not to constantly think something is wrong with me.
I hope that made some sense lol thanks 🙂
April 6, 2016 at 7:43 am #101013AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
Your line above the last one: “it’s hard not to constantly think something is wrong with me”- caught my eye after reading and re-reading your two posts on this thread.
I think there is nothing inherently wrong with you. What happened is that an injury to you occurred when you were a child, an injury in the context of your relationship with your mother and/ or father (main caretaker). That injury has left you… injured. Until that injury is attended to, you will feel that there is something wrong with you.
Your posts show desperation to be attached to another person, a confusion about sex and love, that is feeling safety in being wanted sexually, as if it means, in itself, that you are loved.
Will you share about that injury, the one caused by your parent/s when you were a child? Maybe still in the present?
anita
April 6, 2016 at 8:25 am #101020GigiParticipantAnita,
That really resonates with me because I often think about my childhood and how if affected me. My mom, aside from never saying she loved me, was and still is very critical. Growing up I remember never having the right body type for her, my grades never being good enough, embarrassment to discuss me with my relatives or her friends. She would always make fun of me for being introverted. Anytime we went somewhere I would get the third degree about how I’m an embarrassment. As I got older it was more pressure to diet, get into college, and constant supervision and not trusting me. I decided to lash out a bit when I left home and became a drinker, my grades suffered and my relationships were unhealthy. I tried to turn to my mom for help when I wanted to drop a class because I was dating a guy who had tried to choke me. She said that unless I had brain damage I had no reason to drop the class. I thought that was one of the coldest things she had done.
Since being out of school we have an okay relationship, she can be quite fun to spend time with but I debated cutting her off from time to time. She would act normal on each visit we had, then bombard me with criticisms after she would return home. She would yell at me to break up with whomever I was dating because they were not good enough, tell me I looked fat, my skin looked bad, my job was horrible even though it wasnt, tell me I’m pathetic for still living in apartments and using college furniture. This doesn’t even touch the tip of the iceberg.My dad was more mild mannered most of the time, but would have moments where he would snap out of nowhere. One time I came home from school for winter break with a lot of junk in the back of my car because I was coming for a month. During the middle of the night he threw it all onto the driveway and told me I needed help for being a hoarder. I always longed for an outgoing dad like my coaches or friend’s dads. Now he is always going out of his way to text and email me and be nice. It feels very strange to act like nothing happened at all while growing up.
I know this is a bit of a rant! I read the article here about how to stop blaming parents and I want to let go of some of these issues. I feel some guilt because I had a good life as a child and never had to struggle, and obviously I did break the rules once in a while like staying out late. But it still obviously really hurts and I feel like I wouldn’t have these issues now if I didn’t have this experience.Thank you,
GigiApril 6, 2016 at 8:52 am #101022AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
I didn’t read the article you mentioned. I hardly ever do, not in the habit of doing so. Therefore I do not know what in that article I agree with and what in it I disagree with or will agree under certain circumstances and not other circumstances.
You wrote in your last post that you “had a good life as a child and never had to struggle”- you must mean that materially you didn’t have to struggle, to find food and shelter, that food and shelter were given to you. When you wrote “good life” you must mean you had food, shelter, toys, right? Material things…
Your description of your childhood is that of a bad life, not a good life.
The criticism by your mother is horrendous, incredibly severe, unreasonable and abusive. The fact that neither she nor your father ever spoke to you about how wrong they were, how much they hurt you, makes a healthy relationship with either one of them in the present, an impossible thing.
The fact that you broke “the rules once in a while like staying out late”- I wonder that is all you did when being as severely abused as you have been. How can you expect to have been perfect in such an imperfect home. Not to mention that being perfect and following the rules all the time is impossible. Look at your mother and father- how often did they break the rules of being decent parents?
I feel anger, yet again, to read about another child being abused.
I need to take a break so to calm myself. Please do post again. I am interested in continuing our correspondence.
anita
April 6, 2016 at 9:02 am #101025AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
The fact that your mother is still abusive to you, in the present, that means that you should indeed, as you already considered, cut all contact with her so you are no longer available for her abuse, by phone or in person.
You have enough work to do on her past abuse of you all these years. No need to … add more.
anita
April 6, 2016 at 9:25 am #101028GigiParticipantWow, I didn’t even think I had mentioned the worst of it! The article was basically saying, if I can remember, that to accept the fact that parents are human and make mistakes, and that it can sometimes be best to forgive than to hold resentment. I definitely struggle with this. I can be a grudge holder and rehash things in relationships that aren’t important. When I said I had a good upbringing I did mean material things, yes. Toys, food, nice house, vacations. As far as what I did, it was not much besides staying out late, finding out I had a boy in the house on one occasion even though nothing happened, nothing major though. During college breaks I would do a little more like end up staying out all night but she knew this was because I was choosing not to drive. Overall I struggle to think of more examples because I was never in trouble with the law, didn’t do drugs, got into a good school, and eventually had a couple decent jobs.
I guess she thought I was disrespecting her by not taking her advice and I began to yell back at her. It just really felt like I could never win. I struggle with the idea of cutting her off now for a few reasons. I have a sister who felt the same way I did growing up, she now has 2 kids who my parents treat like gold. It’s very strange. She believes my mom had a hard life too and tries not to blame her, although she can also only take her in small doses. When we do family holidays it really does seem like everything is fine. A lot of people love my mom because she is very fake to everybody else! I am afraid of what aunts, uncles, cousins, and my niece and nephew would think if I wasn’t around.
Also, since my separation my parents have helped me out financially with loan payments and I fear losing that option. Although it does feel like it comes at a cost definitely. At the moment I have been ignoring her when she sends a rude text and I don’t voluntarily call. Do you really think it’s best I stop all contact?
Thanks,
GigiApril 6, 2016 at 9:38 am #101030AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
Cutting contact with a mother is a very, very difficult thing to do and this is why not many adult children do that. It is something for you to decide because it is your life, of course and you are the one to live with the consequences of such a major decision. Since I will not be enjoying and suffering consequences, it is not right for me to push you to make such a decision. It will not be ethically right for me to do.
If you don’t cut contact with her, it may work for you to have contact with her, if you can successfully assert yourself with her so she no longer abuse you. I suppose this is the non-compromising point I am making: allow no one, no matter who they are, to abuse you. If she starts talking to you on the phone abusively, hang up on her. Be very serious telling her in person, looking into her eyes and telling her what kind of talk you will no longer tolerate from her.
If you can do the latter, assert yourself successfully with her, cutting contact with her may not be necessary.
Yelling back at her, which you have done, is not the same as asserting yourself. In asserting yourself, your voice is going to be strong and clear.
What do you think at this point? (I have more to write about your last two posts and will do it later, I am still not relaxed enough to attend to all that I want to attend in your sharing).
anita
April 6, 2016 at 11:14 am #101037GigiParticipantYeah, I think next time I will try being assertive with her. The problem is that I feel like my dad will defend her and she will say she is joking or did nothing wrong. But I will try my best. As far as things that happened in the past, I go back and forth between bringing it up or not. I wonder if it would help or I would be let down again. I look forward to hearing back from you.
April 6, 2016 at 9:24 pm #101139AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
I will re-read your posts with a “fresh brain” I am hoping to have tomorrow morning, in about 10 hours and write to you then, first thing.
As far as your very last post, since she still verbally abuses you on the phone, after you get together in person, it is still happening and is not limited to the past. I would assert myself with her regarding her behavior in the present. The purpose is for you to not be abused in the present, and whatever it takes, make it so you are not the object of her abuse (no matter if you are used to it and it is not “so bad” and used to be worse, etc.: none of it is okay; none of it is acceptable, shouldn’t be!_
anita
April 7, 2016 at 5:29 am #101154AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
In your first post about your childhood, you wrote: “(Mother) was and still is very critical. Growing up I remember never having the right body type for her, my grades never being good enough, embarrassment to discuss me with my relatives or her friends. She would always make fun of me for being introverted. Anytime we went somewhere I would get the third degree about how I’m an embarrassment.”
She gave you the following messages loud and clear:
* Gigi’s body is wrong.
* Gigi is faulty, an embarrassment.You wrote: “I tried to turn to my mom for help when I wanted to drop a class because I was dating a guy who had tried to choke me. She said that unless I had brain damage I had no reason to drop the class.”
The message there was:
* It doesn’t matter to me (to your mother, that is) if Gigi gets hurt.In describing her current behavior with you, you wrote: “She would yell at me to break up with whomever I was dating because they were not good enough, tell me I looked fat, my skin looked bad, my job was horrible even though it wasnt, tell me I’m pathetic for still living in apartments and using college furniture.”
Her messages:
* I am yelling at you because your feelings don’t matter to you. If they mattered, I wouldn’t be yelling. And I can get away with yelling at you. No negative consequences for me!
* Even though Gigi is has the wrong body and is faulty in so many ways, an embarrassment, that guy is … not good enough for you (huh?)
* Your body is wrong (fat, skin..)
* You are a failure, an embarrassment (furniture)From only a few lines you shared, the same messages repeat themselves. How so unfortunate for you to have a lifetime of these same messages repeating to the present!
And you wrote later: “I didn’t even think I had mentioned the worst of it!” and “This doesn’t even touch the tip of the iceberg.”
Later you wrote about your sister: “She believes my mom had a hard life too and tries not to blame her, although she can also only take her in small doses.” I am sure your mother had a hard life and she made your life very hard, unnecessarily. She can take her in “small doses”- I must say you took your mother in very large doses. And your description of what she tells you in the present, that would be a large dose for me. I don’t think your mother comes in small doses. Each sentence she says, each one I copied here is a concentrated dose of harm.
About the article you wrote: “The article was basically saying, if I can remember, that to accept the fact that parents are human and make mistakes, and that it can sometimes be best to forgive than to hold resentment.”
Your mother is indeed human. She makes mistakes and always will as do I, as do you. But her messages to you are not “mistakes”- they are acts of aggression that were repetitive, not corrected and continue to this very day. The article may be correct about mistakes, if your mother put salt in your hot cocoa instead of sugar, a mistake. Yes, do forgive her. It tasted badly but she made a mistake.
Like I wrote earlier, when I read an article or a book, I think: is this correct? In what circumstances is it correct and in what circumstances will it not be correct? (Critical Reading).
I recommend you consider cutting contact with her, especially if she will not completely stop her acts of aggression toward you. (Although just the sight of her can trigger all her messages even if she no longer verbalizes them, in which case cutting contact may still be a solution).
If you do cut contact with her, you will still have to deal with the severe consequences of her lifetime acts of aggression against you.
Please do post again, let’s keep this thread ongoing.
anita
April 7, 2016 at 8:17 am #101172GigiParticipantThank you for your detailed response. I agree with what you’re saying, of course. It is a perspective I haven’t thought of. While my parents definitely made me unhappy I still for some reason thought of it as normal. Also, friends and I would complain about our parents and it seemed pretty normal then too. Of course, I didn’t tell them everything. My boyfriend recently lost a parent and tells me that I might regret not being there, which is something he struggles with. I am still debating what to do in the long run but I have no reason to see or talk to her in the near future. Do you think this caused the current relationship and sexual issues I now have?
Gigi
April 7, 2016 at 8:20 am #101174GigiParticipantAlso to add I agree with you about the guys! Yes everything was wrong with me but every partner had to have a certain standards… good family, attractive, have a degree, certain age range. It does not make sense!
April 7, 2016 at 8:29 am #101176AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
Of course her aggressive acts against you, the messages she repeatedly gave you caused your current struggles. How can it not? How can it be that what the most important person to a child tells a child, again and again, not have a great affect?
You wrote in your last post that “for some reason (you) thought of it as normal”- this is because you were born not knowing anything about what a family should be like and how a mother should behave. You were not born with the information of how things should be in a healthy home. So you didn’t have what to compare your experience to.
When your friends complained about similar things, it means that abuse is common.
Parent abuse of children, physical, verbal is very, very common. In that regard it is “normal.”
And the reason millions and millions of people have so many problems, and why the world is in the sad state it is in, is because parental abuse is the norm, not the exception.
But it doesn’t have to be and it is not always the case. And it definitely shouldn’t be that way.
It is tough to absorb this. It took me a long time to understand this. Children, all the way to adult children of old age are most invested in seeing the very best in their parents, minimizing and denying abuse. It takes a lot to gather the courage to see things as they are. Seeing reality the way it is makes healing possible.
anita
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