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  • #271939
    Amanda M
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    Happy New Year!

    I will try and condense this story as much as possible. I have been holding in so much anger with this friend and situation and I just realized it has been two years today. Nothing has been making me feel better so I thought I would write here for perspective. This situation makes me feel anger and also makes me feel emotions and do actions that are totally unlike myself.

    Okay to the situation.

    My husband has a very tight knit group of 5 guy friends who I have put a lot of effort to get to know and arrange visits. We all lived in different states over the years, and we dated 5 years before we got married.

    Two years ago, one of his friends came to our house in Chicago . This one friend particular I will call Matt I was extremely close to. He would visit about every month and he and I always got along great. During this visit, my childhood friend happened to be home visiting and I invited her to come out with us for the weekend. This childhood friend I will call Cassie. Background about Cassie and I, very close friends throughout childhood… had a stage or two in middle school when we were not as close due to a group of 9 girls going thru puberty together. But ever since high school, Cassie and I always stayed close. We would not necessarily go out every weekend together- I had a boyfriend and two other friend groups but her and I always drove to school everyday and we were the friends that could call one another and nothing would change. This remained true all through college as well. After college Cassie moved to out of state and kind of disappeared from our friend group. It was hurtful to myself and another girl from the group because we felt like she never ever reached out and just dropped of the face of the earth. During this point we were in our early 20s I was starting my career out of state and moved in with my now husband but then boyfriend. So yes it did bother me but I had my own life and my world was expanding so the sting became less. Cassie then moved to the same state where my husband and I were living. This happened to happen right when we moved back to my childhood city to grow our permanent roots. However during this time I had summers off since I was a teacher so I would see her often before I moved and she spent a lot of time at home since she was closer so we would talk more and hang out more. I loved it. I also got engaged during this time and she was in my wedding and was around to help with details.

    So this night out they ended up hitting it off, Cassie and Matt. Matt had just started a new job and it was relevant to Cassie’s field and I did say oh you guys should chat. Other than that they didn’t even chat much that night. Fast forward three weeks later, that childhood friend group is in Hawaii together and Cassie tells me she has been talking to Matt everyday and they are going on dates. I’m surprised but so excited. What better than our two best friends dating just as we were planning our wedding? Well it didn’t become so happy.

    I assumed we would be this four some. I assumed wrong, Cassie and Matt stopped talking to me. Then when they would talk to me, they would upset me with what they said from the beginning. For instance since Matt and I were super close I would always pick out his type at the bar and he told Cassie I did that the night we met (which I did) Cassie said she didn’t care but then texted me this long this asking if I did that? She said ya he said you guys always played that game and I didn’t care but you also said we would get along great. I felt terrible I did do both those things but they weren’t even talking that night so I didn’t know they were truly interested. I just got oh you guys have the same job and Matt is supposed to be moving here so you guys should date. Then once when my girlfriends were all hanging out my fiancé and I were chatting about something I don’t even remember what , nothing important neither an argument either and she goes omg can’t wait to text Matt about this! I go text Matt about what? She is like we just always laugh at you and Patrick and how you guys communicate, I’m just so happy you guys do yoga together. Legit have no idea what to even make of that. I hate active things like sports but am a thin person, and my husband loves sports and I respect that and he is thin too. We are thinner than them two, so I don’t think they were talking about our bodies but also okay I don’t like sports? And communication? I have never heard anyone say anything negative about our relationship, granted someone probably wouldn’t to my face. But just to give you background my family still Awwws over my husband and I together, same with his family so we are well accepted. It just felt like they would talk about us but then tell me? Idk it was weird from the start and I’m pretty sensitive. But I pushed it aside and I tried to arrange date times with them. And those weren’t fun at all. It was like we were an audience on their date. They never talked to us and were just all about each other. They were long distance so we again wrote it off as they just miss one another.

    Then the big thing happened. During our wedding I told two girlfriends they could stay at our apartment and have a girls night. Cassie was one of them. When she started dating Matt I asked multiple times if she wanted out and I was going to ask another girlfriend to stay there instead. I mean multiple times and I explicitly said Matt can’t stay there too. I have a girlfriend from college staying there who I felt bad having to pay for  two nights in a hotel by herself. But she does not want to stay there with a couple lol. The day of our rehearsal dinner, two hours before mind you I get a text from one of my husbands friends asking if him and his girlfriend could stay at our house instead of their arrangements. I said oh no sorry it’s a girls night there and he goes oh okay I heard Matt was staying there so I didn’t know that. I called Cassie to get the scoop, who was late to our rehearsal. She said Matt never made arrangements and she was going to reach out to that girlfriend who is staying with me to ask if that was okay. I was furious. More background Cassie has extreme anxiety infringing on her social life so I was disappointed that she would suggest such a thing because 1) we talked about it and I said no 2) she went behind my back and did it anyways 3) she would have never wanted to do that if she was my girlfriend staying there. She would not have been able to handle the shift in the plans. A downfall of mine is I don’t want anyone to be mad at me so after I talked to my girlfriend who was staying there who was already privy to this dynamic she said it’s fine of course I said they all could stay over but she got the bedroom. I was pissed but it was my rehearsal dinner and I wanted to just have a great time. My maid of honor stepped it up and asked my girlfriend to stay with her which she gladly accepted. I love her. Matt and Cassie were also the only ones who didn’t speak at our rehearsal which was super weird. I take that back two others didn’t on my side. One being who is in the group with Cassie, many did joint speeches and that could have been an option. Cassie sat across from me at the rehearsal and just had her head down as her and my other girlfriend discussed how nervous they were about speaking like okay I get it but I’m right here. Luckily we had the most beautiful speeches from 10 other members of our bridal parties and families so again I let it go.

    It’s been two years since they have dated and nothing has changed. When I hear there names I feel anger all over me. I reached out to them both asking when they come home for the holidays let us know because we were be in Peru and would love to see them before we leave. She never did, I got together with my other girlfriends from that group and they said she was in town. I didn’t care to reach our. I purposefully don’t anymore. I found out they were both uprooting their life and moving across the country together thru a friend on my husbands side. When I confronted Cassie about it she was just like sorry and then said there was no way I heard it that early from a friend that it wasn’t even decided yet. I legit pulled out the text, like I’m not lying? Lol.

    My husband is the most chill person I know. And I feel selfish with all this anger towards these two. I know eventually when we get together whole group it will show. I also am nervous because Cassie was my best friend for so long so I confided a lot in her and she probably told Matt everything I said, probably bad stuff too so maybe Matt hates me that’s why he never reaches out. They hang often with this girl who has always rubbed me the wrong way and I have expressed that to Cassie and in other conversations with Matt he told me he doesn’t like her, I never agreed but now they are her best friends.

     

    This is is so long. Thank you for reading, any advice would be great. I am genuinely a very forgiving and happy person but the sound of their names make me so angry and I find myself blaming them for shifting the group and my life.

    #271941
    Amanda M
    Participant

    P.S. My husband I have made multiple attempts to hang out with them and change ou mindset than the ones mentioned here. Once we did a trip together and it ended with Cassie and I talking about Hawaii giving each other shit and then Cassie going too far and getting personal and dishing out our friend group dirty laundry, making me look terrible and she was like smiling because everyone was like wow and she got attention from it. Girls trip was supposed to be a girls trip but no one told us one night we were going to go out out all night and the girl I flew with and I were exhausted from flying so it was a tension and it was fine we have been friends from years but she brought it up like ya and then you and Emily ruined our night out because you were tired. And also we have arranged get together they have NEVER.

    #271943
    Amanda M
    Participant

    Sorry, I meant to add this too. I am not a tic for tax person but with her I find myself being one. Something reminds me of her and I refuse to reach out. If she reaches out which she has like never I won’t respond for days… this is not like me at all!

    #271945
    Mark
    Participant

    Let’s see if read your post correctly, you are mad at Cassie for trying to stay at your house during your rehearsal dinner.  You are mad at Cassie who for not giving a speech either.  You pushed aside some things that Cassie said about you and your husband Matt.  You never heard from Cassie before you left for Peru even though she was in town.  You did not hear that she was moving across country and had to find out from your husband’s friend.

    Is that it?  I don’t understand.

    You said that Cassie and Matt has shifted your friends’ group and your life.  I did not read anything in your post about them doing that.

    If you want to make things right is 1) apologize for gossiping about others with Cassie.  Did you bad mouth about Matt to her? 2) Let go of your resentment of Cassie not keeping in touch with you.  For whatever reason, she is not doing that.  You have expectations on what a best friend should and should not do.  Cassie apparently does not meet that criteria anymore.  Move on.

    Mark

     

    #271947
    Amanda M
    Participant

    Hi Mark,

    Thank you for responding. Looks like I had some typos or confusion, oops!

    1) I was upset with Cassie for going behind my back and inviting her boyfriend Matt to my house when I said it was all girls staying there. It was a girls night. I asked her multiple times if she wanted to cancel and that she could, but that Matt couldn’t stay there with all these girls who were standing up in my wedding who didn’t know him. I lived in a 800 square foot apartment in the middle of the city. She invited him anyways and he invited other friends.

    2) I was frustrated that Cassie after that situation above sat across from me at our rehearsal dinner saying how awkward it was to give a speech and how she wasn’t giving a speech.

    3) Matt was one of my best friends and her and Matt have said stuff about my husband and I. Matt is also my husbands best friend. They both do not talk to us now.

    4) Cassie is my childhood best friend and Matt is my husbands. We do many group activities together with Matt and my husbands friend group. They do not reach out to us since they started dating which is strange, two best friends dating one another. And it has shifted my husbands friends group because when Cassie and Matt are there they are not fun and can be very rude. They also hang out with this girl who we don’t get along with and together they are not fun. That is how they have shifted the group. We find ourselves not wanting to go to events because if they are there it’s not fun and awkward because everyone thinks we are all best friends but secretly we don’t talk at all anymore.

    5) I’m sure over 5 years I have gossiped about the friends to her, we were in separate groups and it is not right to gossip. But everything I told her was just my  truth about situations. I’m not sure if bringing that up would surface more stuff? She might not even remember anything. I just know this one night I complained about Matt years before they knew one another and I told Matt the same thing I told her.

    6) I am trying to move on but it’s hard because she is now always attached to my husbands friends group.

     

    Does that clear up the story? Sorry was typing so fast.

    #272007
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Amanda M:

    Reads to me that you have very strong emotions on the matter  because you typed so much and not clearly, so  it is difficult for me  to understand. If you choose to answer my questions, try to be calm and clear:

    You wrote that you were “extremely close to” Matt.  While  in a  relationship with Pat, before and after the marriage? And  what do you mean be extremely close?

    When you picked Matt’s type in a bar, what do you mean by it,  can  you elaborate on what  you said, how it transpired, this kind  of activity?

    What were  the complaints you expressed to Cassie about Matt (before they started dating)?

    anita

    #272019
    Amanda M
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you, of course.

    Matt is my husbands best friend. He has five best guy friends. Matt and I always got along very well. Never any romantic feelings or anything close to that. He was the only single one in the group and so I would try and set him up with people. Because he was the only single one he also would travel to visit us because he moved back home and we live in a large city so he would spend a few weekends with us. He went thru a few girls that were not the best and he would talk to my husband and I about them so that’s how I was able to understand his type which is why I thought Cassie was perfect.  He would bring these girls to weekend visits. It was an innocent game. That’s why it’s so odd that when he clicked with my best friend it got so sour. Now Matt and my friend Cassie no longer speak to us or seek out time to spend together. They are rude to us when we do see them and have become friends with people that we all didn’t previously like.

    #272021
    Amanda M
    Participant

    Oh and the complaint to Cassie. I went out with Cassie for her birthday. Matt was visiting so he went out with my husband and Matt brought his new girlfriend. His girlfriend was very rude and mean. I told Cassie about it at the party because she said omg you didn’t have to come I know you have visitors and I said oh I’m glad to get away Matt’s new girlfriend is not nice. I have talked to Matt about that and he has even apologized to us for his and her behavior that weekend.

    #272025
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Amanda M:

    You and Pat were involved in Matt’s dating life before Matt and  Cassie started dating. “He (Matt) would  bring these  girls to weekend visits (at the home you shared with Pat). It was  an innocent game”. At  one point while  spending an evening  out with Cassie for her birthday, you told  her  about Matt’s rude girlfriend at the time, one  of  the women that spend those weekend visits with Matt at your  home.

    Then Cassie and Matt dated. Maybe the trouble is that when Cassie sees you and Pat, she thinks of all of Matt’s prior girlfriends. You, Pat, your home may all be tainted with those thoughts of her boyfriend with other women.

    And then, she may have expressed this distress to Matt, and  he is on her side now, that is, not on the  side  of you/Pat/those weekend visits with the other women.

    Could this be the problem?

    anita

    #272031
    Amanda M
    Participant

    Anita, that is an interesting insight. Possibly… Cassie and I have been friends since I was 7, we are now 27… it seems more deep rooted…

    #272033
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Amanda M:

    More deep rooted- do you have something in mind regarding  the deeper roots you just mentioned?

    anita

    #272051
    Mark
    Participant

    Amanda M.,

    So the bottom line is that your husband’s best friend Matt and your best friend Cassie have changed their behavior toward you two so that you no longer want to be friends with either of them?  Does your husband think the same way?

    I too have just separated myself from my guy friend of 15 plus years after experiencing aspects of his behavior and the behavior of his wife of one year.  I want to live my life where I have people who are close to me that I trust, who are kind and authentic.

    Holding onto anger is understandable since this probably feels like a betrayal to you.   You said this anger has been going on for you for two years.  I can understand that it is harder to let go if they are still in the same friends’ group.

    My strategy is to cut off, avoid and distance myself from anyone I care not to be around anymore.  You don’t have to be with anyone who you don’t trust or gives you distress.  You husband may choose differently but you need not put yourself in situations that stresses you out and gets you angry.

    You may want to write an angry letter to Cassie and pour out all your thoughts of betrayal, etc. and then burn it in a release ceremony.  This may be one way that will help you move on along with no more contact with her/him.

    Mark

     

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