November 19, 2020 at 3:50 pm #369613HopeParticipant
So this is my first ever forum, it just stood out to me and I really need some wisdom or advice coming from the outside right now.
Back in 2014 I started a new job working as a supervisor under two great guys who were my managers then. I was going through a marriage separation that ended in divorce, and both guys were super understanding and great friends. One in particular, I’ll call him John, was really there for me. Nothing funny, just good true friends. We built a tight friendship, I would talk to him about my marriage, which was physically and mentally abusive, and he would talk to me about his, cried on his should more times than I can count. As time went on both managers urged me to get out of the marriage as quickly as possible, eventually the divorce was final in the beginning of 2016, by that time, I had received a promotion, I was now an Asst. Manager but in a different department. I remained friends with John but we didn’t talk as much until I was transferred back to his dept. In the beginning of 2017, I was feeling restless due to many things happening in my family, within one and half years I lost a brother, sister, and my mother. Yes, this was all before covid and each had different illness. I was going through a very difficult time and decided to take a position with a different company, better position, better pay.
Two days after my final day at work, I received a call from John, at this point he’d been separated for a year. It was a month after my mom’s passing and I was moving into what used to be my mom’s house. He called late in the evening asked if I wanted to go have a drink, I agreed, we’d done this many times before as friends. It was a late night and one thing led to the other, we ended up sleeping together. The next morning, we both agreed we were good with it and would take it day by day. As time went on It turned more into a biweekly hookup, I wouldn’t hear from him for days, then I would get a late night text, I told him I wasn’t good with this, that was not what I wanted, I felt disrespected and hurt because we had been such good friends sharing a lot of private information with one another. He was not just some guy I met and hooked up with out of the clear blue. I got suspicious because all of a sudden, he was trying to sneak around like he didn’t want to be seen with me and would come over only late at night, he didn’t even wanna park in the drive way. When confronted he would say “he cared so much for me, he didn’t want me to feel used” or he would say that “he knows he could make me very happy”
Off and on this has continued up until recently, on Monday I sent him a text asking him how things went over the weekend because he was going to be working out of town. He never answered me, it’s been 3 days. I have now blocked him on social media and my phone. I guess I’m just looking for answers as to why a good friend would treat another good friend like that. Did I do the right thing?November 19, 2020 at 6:47 pm #369634anitaParticipant
It reads like John, although separated from his wife for a year when the two of you slept together for the first time, went back to his wife very soon after beginning a sexual relationship with you, and that is why he would “come over only late at night”, and why he “was as trying to sneak around like he didn’t want to be seen” with you.
“I’m just looking for answers as to why a good friend would treat another good friend like that”- I am guessing because once he slept with you while being back with his wife, he no longer viewed you as his friend, but as a woman with whom he was having an extra-marital affair.
“Did I do the right thing?”- do you mean if you did the right thing when you told him that you weren’t “good with this, that it was not what (you) wanted”?- if that’s what you mean, then yes, of course you did the right thing when you told him that.
I hope to read more from you and reply further when I am back to the computer in about 12 hours from now.
anitaNovember 20, 2020 at 4:39 am #369646HopeParticipant
Thank you for answering.
I suppose I suspected that all long, I just didn’t want to face it. I think what hurts most, as friends, honesty was my expectation. Now I’m left feeling angry and hurt and grieving the loss of what I thought was a good friend. My concern is that he’ll pop up at my home one evening and I won’t have the strength to send him away even though I’m so angry and at the same time I know there’s a part of me that still desires to see him, that doesn’t want to send him away. I hate that I jumped from one abusive relationship to one that isn’t real. How do I find the strength inside to hold my ground. I’m afraid to let myself down.November 20, 2020 at 10:20 am #369654anitaParticipant
You are welcome. I want to look more deeply into what you shared in your two posts:
Six years ago, in 2014, you were in the process of separating from a “physically and mentally abusive” marriage. While in that process, you started a new job as a supervisor under two male managers. Both managers were “super understanding and great friends”, particularly John, one of the two managers. John was “really there” for you, a “good true friend”. You considered it “a tight friendship”. You talked to John about your marriage, crying on his shoulders more time than you can count, and he talked to you about his problems in his marriage. Sometimes the two of you went out for drinks, as friends.
This tight friendship seems to have been your anchor as you went through your marriage separation, someone (John) to hold on to; something (a tight friendship) to hold on to.
The other manager and John urged you “to get out of the marriage as quickly as possible”. Time moved on- you received a promotion to an Assistant Manager in a department different from John’s. The two of you “didn’t talk as much”, but remained friends. Later, you transferred back to this department. Within a year and a half, you lost your brother, your sister and your mother to different illnesses, and went through a very difficult time. Your divorce was final in the beginning of 2016, and a year later, you took a position with a different company, for a better pay.
Two days after your final day at the company where John still worked, a month after you lost your mother, while you were in the process of moving to the house where your mother lived- John called you late in the evening, asking you if you wanted to go have a drink. You agreed. He told you that “he’d been separated for a year”, “one thing led to the other” and you ended up sleeping together.
The next morning, the two of you agreed that you were “good with it and would take it day by day”. Day by day turned into “a biweekly hookup”: you didn’t hear from him for days, then he would text you late at night, come over, avoid parking in your driveway, and you felt hurt and disrespected. You were definitely not “good with it”.
Sometime along the way you realized that he was no longer “a good true friend”, that the relationship was no longer a “tight friendship”. It as if the guy you were so close to was gone, and what you had was “just some guy”. When you confronted him about this change and his behavior, he told you that he cares so much for you, that he didn’t want you to feel used, and that he could make you very happy.
You suspected all along that he was back with his wife, but you “just didn’t want to face it”.
This past Monday, you sent him a text and he never answered you. You then blocked him on social media and on your phone. You feel “angry and hurt and grieving the loss of what I thought was a good friend”. You worry that if he pops up at your home one evening, you may not have the strength to send him away.
My thoughts today: congratulations for doing as well as you have been doing, considering having been in an abusive marriage, separating and divorcing, and losing three members of your family in such a quick succession- through all of that, you managed to get a promotion, look for and get a new job with better pay, and you managed to move to a new home.
Give yourself credit for managing all this and be gentle with yourself for being human and therefore needing emotional support from another person while going through such difficult times.
You greatly needed emotional support in 2014 and you received it from your two managers- that was like a breath of fresh air, wasn’t it? It has energized you to do what you needed to do, separate and get a divorce. When we need something desperately and we receive some of it, we make the most of it, often believing that it is more than it really is.
It is similar perhaps to this: a well-fed person is given a piece of cake, it tastes good. A very hungry person is given a piece of cake and it tastes extraordinary, the best ever. If you were in a loving marriage back in 2014 and had a healthy support system, you would have appreciated the friendliness of the two managers, but their friendliness wouldn’t have felt so extraordinary, to you. You would have thought of them as friendly, instead of “great friends”. You would have appreciated John as a friendly guy, but wouldn’t consider him as such a close, true friend.
You needed a close true friend so much, that you made the best out of his friendliness, making believe that -in his subjective experience- he was that “good true friend” to you, and that he felt the “tight friendship” that you felt.
“I guess I’m just looking for answers as to why a good friend would treat another good friend like that”- he wasn’t as good or as great or as close as you thought and needed him to be.
“there’s a part of me that still desires to see him, that doesn’t want to send him away. I hate that I jumped from one abusive relationship to one that isn’t real. How do I find the strength inside to hold my ground. I’m afraid to let myself down”-
– consider what is real. In my personal experience, the more I see reality as-is, the better my mental health. See John as he is: he is a married man who waited until you were no longer working in his company (to avoid the appearance of impropriety in the workplace, I imagine) before beginning a hook up situation with you. He used you and when you expressed your dissatisfaction with this hook-up relationship, he lied to you, telling you that he cares so much for you and didn’t want you to feel used.
I believe that you did the right thing to block him, but I believe it will not be wrong for you to let him know how he has wronged you, so to not allow him to think that he has fooled you with his words. Let him know your disappointment of him. Let him know.