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  • #180335
    Jay
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    Hi All,

    I’ve been a long time lurker on this website, and I am so glad I found it. Now, however, I’m looking to hear some advice.

    To give you a little bit on my situation, the past three years have been difficult. There have been numerous deaths and illnesses in my family. I have focused on persevering by trying my best in school, reminding myself that tough times don’t last, but tough people do.

    At the moment, I am done with college, working and applying to medical school (this is a year long process, in case you are unfamiliar). I received an interview to my first choice school, and things finally appeared to be looking up. I did everything I could to prepare and did my best to go into the interview with a positive attitude and calm demeanor. Of course, I knew that this didn’t mean an acceptance was guaranteed. I had told myself the narrative of getting accepted to the school shortly before Christmas, and everything falling into place.

    Looking back, there are certain aspects of the interview that could have gone better (though I am sure everyone feels this way). My mind is so stuck on the things I wish I had done or said differently, or perhaps, if I had interviewed with a different panel it would have gone better. Fortunately, I have another interview coming up at a different school, where I wouldn’t be upset with going.

    However, my mind is fixated on what could have been with the first-choice school. It simply feels as if I came so close to reaching my dreams, but just couldn’t make it at the last second. It’s strange because I know very well that that ship has sailed, and that the best thing I can do for myself right now is to focus on the upcoming interview. But for some reason, it is hard for me to actually implement that ideology in my life.

    Do you have any thoughts on how to effectively deal with this? Any feedback would be most appreciated.

    Thank you, and I hope you’re all having a beautiful day!!

    #180339
    Peter
    Participant

    You are where you need to be – which is perfect as its the place you will move from in order to get to where your going.

    You could keep trying to step off from a imagined future or regret of the past but you won’t find a good footing to push of from. Like trying to walk in the vacuum of space. Save yourself some time and energy and let it go.

    Many of us crucify ourselves between two thieves – regret for the past and fear of the future. – Fulton Oursler

    “We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us.” – “If you do follow your bliss you put yourself on a kind of track that has been there all the while, waiting for you, and the life that you ought to be living is the one you are living. Follow your bliss and don’t be afraid, and doors will open where you didn’t know they were going to be.” ― Joseph Campbell

    #180361
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jay:

    I hope you overcome your fixation on that interview. It will not be a good habit to fixate on every occasion where things could have gone better, there will be  so  many of those, so many more to come. If you look back on your life you will find some  occasions in  which you could have done  better or such where things would  have been better independent of you, occasions that you happened to not fixate on.

    As you fixate on this one, the interview with your school of choice, there are other occasions where you are not doing as well as you could, you are just not paying attention to those because you are fixated on that one.

    In other words, occasion where you could do better but didn’t will continue to occur lifelong. Maybe if you attend to all those occasions, less dramatic than the one  your thread is about, perhaps, but attend to all of them, you will spend less time fixating  on that one.

    Performing  less than the optimal is  life as usual, is the  norm, nothing  unusual, a… fact  of life. Performing optimally is the exception.

    anita

    #181869
    Jay
    Participant

    Hi Anita and Peter,

    Thank you for your responses, I sincerely appreciate it. I agree that, in order to make progress, I need to stop fixating and move on. However, (this might be a strange question), how would you suggest I actually go about doing this?

    I often find myself thinking about the exact questions/answers in the interview that I messed up on, many of which I nailed perfectly in my mock interviews. In the weeks leading up to the interview I prepped and practiced meditation, so I could be as relaxed as possible. I also think about the possibility that maybe, just maybe, they made a clerical error somehow, thinking that I may somehow be “prone” to this (on multiple occasions, I have had significant mistakes made on my tests/grades).

    In general, I agree with the idea that focusing on the positives and what I CAN control is (always) the best in any given set of circumstances. This got me through the tough academic times in the past, as well as the reminder that I could “try better next time.” However, I think perhaps subconsciously, I view this technique as simply a means to make yourself feel better/make excuses about your performance, and that this is not genuinely a productive habit.

    Please let me know if I can elaborate on any idea further. Any thoughts would be most appreciated!

    Thanks again,

    Jay

    #181927
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jay:

    You are welcome.

    Has a parent perhaps been tough on you making mistakes, when you were a child, somewhat unforgiving?

    anita

    #181943
    Jay
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I don’t think so. Of course, my parents taught me to dream big. However, after I didn’t get in, my dad showed me how to look at this differently, reminding me that I still have many schools to hear from and that nothing is for certain.

    #181947
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jay:

    If you would like to answer, please do: what did your parents teach you about dreaming big?

    anita

    #197753
    Jay
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I hope this message finds you well. I apologize for not responding previously. I was wondering if I could simply write up some of the thoughts/emotions that have been running through my head for the past couple weeks/months on this thread, and then hear your thoughts. I know this is a lot to ask and I will understand if you’d rather not engage in this. I think just telling someone can help a lot. Thank you!!

    #197783
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jay:

    It will be fine with me, please do. Before you do, can you answer my question above: what did your parents teach you about dreaming big?

    anita

    #200889
    Jay
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I apologize for the late response. I have been reflecting on this situation, and your questions, for quite some time.

    To answer your question, my parents tried to instill in me the value of hard work from a young age. They encouraged me to try my very best always, and that I can accomplish anything I put my mind to. I know they had good intentions. However, I believe this may have led to me being overly self-critical, that somehow if I don’t accomplish a goal (that someone else has), that makes me a failure. Perhaps this has largely impacted my situation.

    As far as the other thoughts that have been running in my head in recent days, I really just need a space to tell someone and get them off my chest. Perhaps you may have some thoughts about these that you’d like to share.

    I will refer to school A as my first choice, which rejected me, and school B as my second choice, which I haven’t heard back from.

    -While at school A, I barely slept the night prior to the interview, even after taking medication. I am beyond frustrated at my body’s ability to not sleep prior to big events.
    -By chance, I was assigned an afternoon interview. I believe that had I gone in the morning, I’d have been better off.
    -School A is a regional medical school, with multiple sites. I intentionally chose to interview at a specific site that has roughly a 50-60% post-interview acceptance rate, whereas the other site has a 25-35% acceptance rate. To be blunt, I feel stupid, inadequate and incompetent that I managed to mess this up, as this was my spot to lose.
    -I generally interview quite well, this was said both by my supervisor and colleague independently. I did not feel that the interview was a reflection of who I am.
    -The interview was done with 3 interviewers, one of whom is the main interviewer, who represents your application to the final decision-making body.
    -The first question was “why medicine?” In my explanation, I felt the need to say “my undergrad was at university of x” after introducing my experiences at a certain hospital. At that point the main interviewer cut me off and said “As I mentioned, we’ve already read your application, so if you could just get to the point of why medicine…” This upsets me largely because this threw me off/messed me up for the course of the interview, and also because I never once mentioned this minor detail when practicing for this question. I constantly wonder what could have happened if I didn’t just say that one line.
    -I was struggling with coherent thoughts the entire course of the interview. By the afternoon, the sleep deprivation was really hitting me. This interview was not a representation of what I’m capable of. I was riled up and not relaxed as I should have been
    -One question I asked was “what stresses you out the most about medical school?” I know I could have given a better answer to this. My answer essentially conveyed that what stresses me out is that medical school is hard and that you have to study a lot. I fear that this was a red flag and ruined my chances all together.
    -I prepared for this interview extensively, but somehow I missed a PowerPoint/detailed presentation on School A’s website. Some of these insights could have proven significantly helpful.
    -My mind is simply not accepting the outcome. I keep thinking that somehow I can appeal or “manifest” an acceptance to the school.
    -I realize that great life lessons can come from the worst of times. This alone frustrates me incredibly because I wasn’t looking for a life lesson. I wanted this interview to go well and get in. As I mentioned earlier, the odds should have been in my favor.
    -I constantly find myself envious/comparing myself to those who did get in (to this school and other schools). I know this takes me nowhere, but I can’t seem to stop myself.
    -It is April now, and I really wanted the satisfaction of getting into medical school early in the cycle (ie November as it would have been with school A). I’ve learned that you cannot plan out your life in advance, but my mind is so fixated on this.
    -I have paid a consultant several thousand dollars to help me in the admissions process. He has claimed over 90% of his students get in when they apply. I don’t understand why I haven’t gotten mine yet. It makes me feel like something is wrong with me. I wish I had gone with a different consultant, as in hindsight they gave me some advice that didn’t prove to be helpful.
    -School B’s interview invitation came just days after I interviewed at School A. I am frustrated, because if it had come just before school A, that definitely would have taken some of the pressure off.
    -Even if I get into school B, it is going to cost nearly $100K more over the course of four years. It is on the other side of the country, and away from my family, friends and everything I grew up with. Regardless, I am supposed to hear back from school B by the end of April, and it is causing me extreme amounts of anxiety.

    I apologize for the long post, Anita. I really just needed a place to vent and get my thoughts out. Any feedback or insights would be most appreciated.

    As an aside, I wanted to take this opportunity to say thank you for your willingness to help. I am constantly amazed and inspired by the amount of empathy and concern you display for others on this site. I hope to one day emulate these same qualities as a physician, or in any other profession I choose.

    Thank you again!

    Jay

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 7 months ago by Jay.
    #200953
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jay:

    You are welcome and thank you for your kind words as expressed in the last paragraph of your recent post.

    You wrote that your parents told you “that I can accomplish anything I put my mind to”. I hear people saying this statement, in these or similar words, a whole lot. This is often stated, by many people: you can do anything you set your mind to, etc.

    Although it is true that many people think they cannot do this or that and then find out that they can, it is not true that a person can do anything they put their mind to. It is simply not true.

    For example, you can set your mind to wave your arms in the air and fly. Try as you will, you can not fly. Birds can. You can’t. Set your mind of this goal as hard as you will and you can’t.

    The problem in believing something that is not true to reality is that we are misguided and we suffer.

    Let’s look at your experience: your aim was to be accepted to medical school A. You put your mind to it, did the research, meditated, hired a consultant, etc. And you failed.

    Here is the unrealistic part of the experience: you didn’t fail because you didn’t put your mind to it well enough. You put your mind to it very well, very hard. As a matter of fact you are still putting your mind into school A retroactively, not realizing that ship has sailed.

    It is not that you failed school A interview because you didn’t put your mind to it well enough. I believe you failed because you suffered then and still suffer from too much anxiety, too much ongoing fear.

    For as long as you suffer from too much anxiety, medical school, like flying, may very well be something you can not do.

    Maybe someday you will be able to do it, but not for as long as you are this anxious.

    The question the interviewer in school A asked you reads reasonable to me. He told you he already has the information you were telling him and asked you to answer his question. The way you responded to him revealed to him, I am thinking, that indeed you are too anxious to be a promising candidate to medical school. One requirement for the school is to be able to endure lots of distress and you were not promising in that regard.

    A profession that is involved with way less distress may very well be much more suitable to you.

    Again, one day it is possible that you will be suited to medical school. Maybe sooner than later. But that day has to do not with putting your mind to it better but healing and managing your anxiety.

    anita

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