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    🙂  A ‘timing’ for everything…

    Blessed are the ‘Wonder-full’


    I have always found ‘The Heart Sutra’ difficult. I think that is intentional as it pushes the mind towards silence, towards a  ‘knowing’ experience.. So I feel that its related to the reflections on the ‘blank canvas’

    The Heart Sutra

    The Bodhisattva of Compassion,
    When he meditated deeply,
    Saw the emptiness of all five skandhas (senses)
    And sundered the bonds that caused him suffering.

    Here then,
    Form is no other than emptiness,
    Emptiness no other than form.
    Form is only emptiness,
    Emptiness only form.

    Feeling, thought, and choice,
    Consciousness itself,
    Are the same as this.
    All things are by nature void
    They are not born or destroyed
    Nor are they stained or pure
    Nor do they wax or wane

    So, in emptiness, no form,
    No feeling, thought, or choice,
    Nor is there consciousness.
    No eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, mind;
    No color, sound, smell, taste, touch,
    Or what the mind takes hold of,
    Nor even act of sensing.

    No ignorance or end of it,
    Nor all that comes of ignorance;
    No withering, no death,
    No end of them.
    Nor is there pain, or cause of pain,
    Or cease in pain, or noble path
    To lead from pain;
    Not even wisdom to attain!
    Attainment too is emptiness.

    So know that the Bodhisattva
    Holding to nothing whatever,
    But dwelling in Prajna wisdom,
    Is freed of delusive hindrance,
    Rid of the fear bred by it,
    And reaches clearest Nirvana.
    All Buddhas of past and present,
    Buddhas of future time,
    Using this Prajna wisdom,
    Come to full and perfect vision.

    Hear then the great dharani,
    The radiant peerless mantra,
    The Prajnaparamita
    Whose words allay all pain;
    Hear and believe its truth!

    Gate, Gate, Paragate, Parasamgate, Bodhi Svaha!
    Gate, Gate, Paragate, Parasamgate, Bodhi Svaha!
    Gate, Gate, Paragate, Parasamgate, Bodhi Svaha!”

    Into the gone, into the gone, into the gone beyond.
    Into the gone completely beyond (beyond movement, time, language, measurement, duality..) the other shore, awaken.


    “Practice the transfer now by breathing in Eternity and Stillness and breathing out Time and Movement” that was nicely put Anita

    inter-be what a wonderful way of ‘clearly’ seeing. Thanks for sharing Roberta

    I wonder if clearing seeing, the realization of the temporal and eternal is related to a move towards the “right” side of the brain where the experience of time, that the past, present and future happen all at once and a experience of the eternal now, and where language (measurement, duality) fade? We tend to set up our ‘throne’ on the left side where the I likes to reside and measure everything.


    I still find the “Blank White Canvas” funny. The museum paid $10,000 for it… Still I haven’t forgotten it.

    There was another peace ‘White canvas with wet toilet paper”   The artist had thrown wet toilet paper onto a white canvas. I wonder now what the artist was feeling when they drew that out from the canvas.


    Hi Seaturtle

    Just a comment on the notion of ‘false Self’. Jung would talk about personas, the masks we ware the roles we have.  These personas arn’t false but ways creating healthy engagement.. The way we interact with our family is different (and should be) then the way we interact with friends, coworkers, strangers…. Personas are not about being fake or false but the establishment of healthy boundaries for the interaction. They do sometimes feel like being  ‘fake’ especially when our boundaries are unclear and maybe not so healthy.

    The ‘false’ self is also sometimes thought of as our small self.  The task of the first half of life to to establishing this sense of self with healthy boundaries.
    In the second half of life is the task to detach from the this notion of identity. the True Self detaches from the roles or personas we have. They still play a role in our interactions however we ‘see’ them for what they are. The perspective changes. We are not our experiences, we have experiences, we are not our memories we have memories, we are not our feelings we have feelings, we are not our thoughts, we have thoughts….

    The notion of the True Self isn’t ‘out thier’ but within. Put another way the personas arise from and return to the True Self . Retuning you might notice the need to judge, measure, compare, label fades away…. like the label ‘selfish’

    In my experience the practice of  returning to the Self aways comes with quieting and experience of compassion for myself and others. The arising of compassion isn’t something you make happen but happens.  When I notice I’m feeling anxious, judgey and less compassionate its usually because I’m to attached to the roles/personas I have.

    It takes a healthy ego and senses of self (needed n the first half of life) to let go of ego (itself) so to discover the SELF  🙂


    I like to start my day with a reading from Richard Wagamese – someone who having gone though much in his life came out the other side with wisdom.

    I read the following and felt it related to the question of the Divine and spiritual. What for me, lies behind a word like spiritual, path and divine is the word mystery and the art of sitting in mystery with wonder

    “We need mystery. Creator in her wisdom knew this. Mystery fills us with awe and wonder. They are the foundations of humility, and humility is the foundation of all learning. So we do not seek to unravel this. We honor it by letting it be that way forever. – grandmother explaining The Great Mystery of the universe to her grandson.”
    ― Richard Wagamese, Indian Horse

    I feel mystery is more important then the notions of meaning and purpose and suspect it is from mystery and the ability to be uncomfortable in uncertainty, that purpose and meaning arise from and returns to


    Hi Brian

    Helcat makes some good points. I try not to hold to tightly to words. I was surprised that your experience of it was assoicated with supernatural beings as that hasn’t been my experience.  I would also drop the word if its assoicated with supernatural beings.



    How would you define a spiritual path?

    Defining ‘spiritual’ as a way of seeing, being and becoming, all paths are spiritual paths, and everything encountered a reflection of the divine. ‘Treat all you meet like G_d’ 🙂

    Avoiding the tendency to mistake the word God (our rules, ideas and measurements) for God, (lead us not into such temptation.) I use the word G_d, and the word divine, to point to the Transcendent. The idea being to become transparent to the Transcendent.

    The light in me sees the light in you… Transparent, the light within illuminates  all, the light within all illuminates me…

    As above so below – on earth as it is in heaven, as below so above – forgiven as we forgive… Smaller then small bigger then big,  Co-creators, how we see and are matters.


    I thought I would share a meditation

    As all meditation and contemplation do, I notice breath

    Each breath a arising from ,and a return to.

    Movement arising from and returning to stillness
    Time arising from and returning to eternity.
    Life arising from and returning to Love


    I imagine a blank canvas
    (I notice that the image that comes to mind is of a white canvas and laugh realizing that a canvas of any color remains blank. Laughing again realizing that no mater what arises on the canvas it remains blank. We have been conditioned to believe the white canvas is blank and that once draw upon no longer blank. Yet if you continued to add paintings to the canvas the canvas would it not eventually become a blank black canvas.)

    Like the sound of AUM which among other things is the sound of every word spoken or will be spoken, surrounded by silence
    The blank canvas contains every image ever created or will be created, surrounded by emptiness
    The canvas only waiting for the image to be drawn up from it and then return.
    The canvas remains blank, the surface a playground of motion, time, measuring, judging, duality… life, the canvas remains blank.

    All things are a arising from, and a returning to…
    The present moment not a slice of time to be grasped but the eternal now to rest in

    Nothing is gained…
    Nothing is lost…
    No one is lost…

    All exists within a blank canvas the eternal now.
    Arising from, returning to




    Thanks for sharing you thoughts Anita!

    Hi Helcat

    I’m not sure I have any advice about acceptance. I’m a head guy and for the longest time I have approached the acceptance by trying to think my way through. If I could just identify all the variables, get them sorted, then maybe I would understand and understanding accept. (I was going to say that didn’t work, but realizing that was a dead end and the frustration that lead to was something I needed to experience)

    I struggled between the notions of acceptance and resignation. Acceptance more often then not felt like resignation, giving up, leading to a slide into indifference, and indifference to depression.

    Our minds are trained to accept and conform, shaping our thought according to….. We need a great deal of energy to bring about a change within ourselves, but we waste our energy through conflict, through resistance, through conformity, through acceptance, through obedience… ” – Krishnamurti

    First time I read that I was taken aback. In what ways are we trained in acceptance? Is acceptance a something the mind requires to be comfortable? Is it a waist of energy seeking acceptance? By acceptance are we really looking for belonging?  To many questions, my head self is elated. 🙂
    I concede that acceptance and the desire to be accepted are entangled and influenced by others more so then my own experience… Avoiding what I sense is a trap I move on.

    I’ve mentioned before the idea that the question behind the hero’s journey is ‘How to respond to Life as it is’  which concerns the notion of acceptance. The Hero that completes the task comes when he can answer with a YES. A Yes  that is acceptance of Life as it is, its wonder and horror while remaining fully engaged. Put another way a ‘detachment’ that remains fully engaged. Acting because its it authentic to ones truth regardless of results.   (This is the interplay of the temporal and eternal. The engagement is in the temporal, the Yes in the eternal experience. )

    In practice ( I guess this is advice)…. through out the day I will ask myself ‘how am I responding to Life in this moment’. The answer is surprising easy to discern. When I’m feeling anxious, angry, worried, frustrated the answer is pointing to a No. In other words I do not want to accept the moment as it is. The No usually coming from the ego wanting to be in charge and change things ….

    To be honest I spend most of my day in a No frame of experience  but I don’t beat myself up over it (or pat myself on the back in those moments when the answer is Yes).   Its weird but the asking of the question is often enough to create the space for stillness. ‘Oh I’m playing that game again, trying to change the present by changing the past’ 🙂 no wonder I’m anxious. 🙂

    The challenge is that a No seems easier to engage with. You get all that energy by resisting and that can be fun if were being honest with ourselves. A Yes on the other hand is more subtle – fully engaged in the moment while being ‘detached’ from the results.  If I can’t measure a ‘win’ what fun is that?

    As you said “learning to accept and be on board with my choices” The Yes and acceptance is about the engagement not the measurement of the results. Does that make sense?

    Its a change of perspective, a experience of the eternal perspective – the sun neither rises or sets, it is, you are. YES?



    LOL – I know I can be… odd 🙂

    It took me decades to discover that teachings are not meant to be believed but experienced. (I am very much of the ‘head’ type)

    To as you indicate to ‘sit’ in the stories  in that stillness state of being.



    That’s good to hear as it matches my experience and intention. Instead of a frantic seeking of meaning and purpose as a life line to hope

    As I open to experience of the eternal within the temporal my breath slows and I experience a calm where the desire to label, measure and judge fades. Its not so much ‘movement VS stillness’ as it is ‘movement AND stillness’.  To experience the ‘stillness’ in ones often frantic ‘movements’. I’ve taken up yoga and its wonderful to experience the moment when in a difficult flow you find yourself still.

    Something I discovered during the contemplation of the problem of opposites (duality). That the go to metaphor for nonduality is that of the coin. Only its not a great metaphor as we can’t help ourselves from picking the coin up, flipping it in the air and calling heads Or tails which immediacy pulls us out of the eternal nonduality (garden) and back into the temporal playground of duality, measurement, judgment… language… ego consciousness.

    In nonduality its not OR but AND, the coin has no sides! No matter how small a piece you cut off from the coin the piece will contain both, right down to the smallest particles. Here we see the problem of language as language exists in the temporal experience and not in the eternal.  We have no words for that which is both up and down, in and out, good and bad, happy and sad, left and right, fast and slow….

    Note how so many of the problems in our connected/disconnected digital social media experience arise because between the 1 and the 0 its always 1 Or 0 when our experience is analog, that of the AND.
    In the digital world its Like OR dislike, agree OR not agree, with me Or against me… in the linear digital algorithm its the OR that rises to the top of our feeds,  which is not great for connection or the experience of stillness in motion.

    I digress from he topic 🙂


    Thanks Anita, I still lurk but don’t usually have anything to add, I noticed that I tend to repeat myself 🙂

    we have many things, don’t we, but we don’t get to keep any”  The Sravka path beings with a realization that everything is impermanent, the final realization and acceptance that nothing arises in the first place; hence nothing ceases. Impermanence is a fiction. 🙂  Nothing gained nothing lost, nothing to keep, we have it all. (Fun with paradox)

    Nicely said Helcat


    Playing devils advocate I’m going to disagree and argue that the search for meaning and purpose is a skill we are really bad at and so the source of much suffering. The key word in that statement was search. My argument being that we don’t need to seek out meaning or purpose to be happy or have hope. We can though open the door, and leave it open, to the experiences.

    Seeking implies something we don’t yet have thus the search starts and often remains stuck in the feeling of loss and less then. Begging the question when does a seeker become a finder and get to be content? (Not easily in this consumerist digital world of 1 or 0)

    I suspect like joy and happiness meaning and purposes are experiences that happen and not something one ‘finds’. In such a state of awareness every breath is full of meaning and purpose.

    I think it comes down to perspective and a cessation of measurement.

    From one perspective the sun rises and sets once a day. By the rising and setting we measure out time and the various dualities  of life like meaning and purpose.

    Yet from another perspective, the sun is always rising and setting in every moment. (right this moment the sun is being experienced as rising and setting.) Setting in this perspective notice how time, measurement, language and duality begin to fade, and with that fading notions of meaning and purpose.

    Then from yet another perspective the sun neither rises or sets, it is. Sitting in such awareness all returns to the eternal and everything is connected. The present moment no longer a measurement of time but the eternal absolute. Eternity not a measurement of time but the source from which time arises and returns.

    The experience of movement creates time and space, the play ground of the experience of life and duality. The experience of stillness is eternity, and non-duality (non-measurement).
    Each breath each moment contains both the temporal and the eternal experience.

    All movement arises from and returns to stillness, all time arises from and returns to eternity, all life arises from and returns to Love. Nothing is Lost nothing Gain, It is, you are… the purpose and meaning you have been looking for.  The task of living  is to be awake to the experience of both


    The central point of the world is the point where stillness and movement are together. Realizing the relationship of the temporal moment to the eternal—not moment, but forever—is the sense of life. Realizing how this moment in your life is actually a moment of eternity, and experiencing the eternal aspect of what you’re doing in the temporal experience—this is the ‘knowing’ experience.- Campbell

    We are living in a culture entirely hypnotized by the illusion of time, in which the so-called present moment is felt as nothing but an infinitesimal hairline between an all-powerfully causative past and an absorbingly important future. Our consciousness is almost completely preoccupied with memory and expectation. We do not realize that there never was, is, nor will be any other experience than present experience. We are therefore out of touch with reality.

    We confuse the world as talked about, described, and measured with the world which actually is. We are sick with a fascination for the useful tools of names and numbers, of symbols, signs, conceptions and ideas. – Alan Watts

    Stillness is what creates love, Movement is what creates life, To be still, Yet still moving – That is everything!
    Do Hyun Choe

    The Sphinx spoke only once, and the Sphinx said, “A grain of sand is a desert, and a desert is a grain of sand; and now let us all be silent again.” I heard the Sphinx, but I did not understand. – Sand and Foam by Kahlil Gibran


    That was beautifully said Anna

    I want to contribute to the change with love and compassion, not with hatred or cynicism… I was afraid I would lose my will to help

    My own experience involved realizing the difference between healthy detachment and indifference. I also worried that without the energy of being angry I’d fall into indifference. With or without that ‘energy’ the trap for me with Buddhist practice , and I found out for many others, was indifference. How to be fully engaged and at the same time detached (healthy loving boundaries) without falling into indifference?

    Currently I’m exploring the practice of Contemplation and Action

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