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PeterParticipantWe often think of stories as things we read, but sometimes, a story begins to read us… As children, we naturally inhabit the world of myth and narrative. We don’t ask if a story is “objective” or “fact”; we simply feel its weight in our bones. For many of us, the story of Exodus was our first map of power, suffering, and liberation. But as we move into the second half of life, we may find that these old stories start “haunting” us again, not as religious doctrines or historical accounts, but as mirrors of our own inner landscape.
In the following exploration, I am setting aside traditional theology. I am not looking at Exodus as a statement of “belief,” but rather as a dream of the psyche.
I should offer a disclaimer: like all dream analysis, the associations belong primarily to the dreamer. This is my way of taking back a story that was given to me as a child, move by move, and seeing it fresh. If we treat the characters and objects of this story as parts of our own internal world, what do they reveal? What part of us is the “Pharaoh” that refuses to move? What part is the “Israel” crying out for freedom?
This is an attempt to see the story as a process of transformation, a move from the “stone” of ego-control to the “fluidity” of a life lived in the rhythm of grace.
**Exodus as a Dream of the Psyche**
If Exodus is a dream, then “Egypt” is not “out there.” It is a psychic location, a state of consciousness. “Egypt” is the place where order is imposed from above, where productivity is extracted, where identity is defined by function. It is the realm of ego control, survival logic, and fear-based stability. In Jungian terms, it resembles the dominant attitude of the conscious mind: efficient, hierarchical, defensive, and deeply invested in maintaining control.
Pharaoh, then, is not merely a ruler but a principle within the psyche. It is that part which believes stability comes from domination, safety from control, worth from usefulness, that order must be protected at all costs. This is not an evil impulse. It is protective, hardened by repetition. The slavery of “Israel” is not enforced by brute force alone; it is the psychodynamic consequence of living too long under a single ruling principle. When one mode of consciousness becomes absolute, all other aspects of the psyche are reduced to labor.
To leave “Egypt“, therefore, is not to reject structure, discipline, or intelligence. It is to loosen their tyranny. “Egypt” is the place where everything must justify itself: feelings must be useful, compassion must be strategic, rest must be earned, and mystery must be controlled. Leaving “Egypt” is the frightening moment when the psyche dares to believe that not everything that matters can be measured. It is the shift from control to trust, from extraction to participation, from certainty to responsiveness, from stone to flesh. And this is precisely why “Pharaoh” (self) panics. A psyche organized around productivity cannot tolerate gratuitous freedom.
In this dream, “Israel” represents the exiled parts of the psyche… emotion, imagination, vulnerability, longing, grief, memory. These are not weak elements; they are disruptive to rigid systems because they refuse reduction. To leave “Egypt” is to allow these parts to move again. Speech returns. Memory awakens. Desire surfaces. The heart begins to beat to a different rhythm. It does not feel orderly. It feels destabilizing—exactly why the old regime experiences it as a threat.
The crossing of the sea then marks a deeper threshold. It is not triumph but terror. The sea represents the unconscious, and to cross it is to allow the ego to be overwhelmed by forces it cannot command. The waters do not part in advance; they open only in response to movement. There is no proof beforehand. Meanwhile, Pharaoh’s army, old habits, reflexes, and defenses, pursues the psyche into the passage. Even in transformation, the past follows closely behind. What perishes in the sea is not reason or order, but the belief that control is identical with life.
Between “Egypt” and “Promise land” lies the wilderness. Psychologically, it is the liminal space between identities, where old structures no longer function and new ones have not yet formed. There are no monuments here, no economy of productivity, only daily bread, trust and presence. To enter the wilderness is to accept the loss of control, the withdrawal of certainty, and the necessity of dependence. It is no surprise that many, in such a state, long to return to “Egypt“. Slavery with clarity often feels safer than freedom with uncertainty.
Seen this way, the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart is not punishment but process. It is what occurs when a psychic structure refuses to evolve when, confronted with change, it doubles down on its own rigidity until it becomes brittle. Pharaoh is ego inflated, cut off from the deeper Self, mistaking dominance for wholeness. Leaving “Egypt” is not victory over an enemy; it is grief for a mode of being that once ensured survival but can no longer sustain life. And perhaps this is why the story repeats personally, culturally, spiritually because no one leaves “Egypt” only once.
Within this movement, Moses emerges as a crucial figure: not consciousness itself, but the mediator of structure. He is law-giver, translator, one who shapes the formless into something livable and shared. He brings pattern down the mountain, commandments, boundaries, rituals, distinctions. This makes him indispensable. Yet it also defines his limits. “Moses” belongs to the realm of form. He can lead the psyche out of Egypt, but he cannot fully inhabit what lies beyond structure.
The Promised Land, psychologically, is not a better Egypt. It is a different mode of being altogether, one that cannot be governed by the same tools that enabled escape. “Moses” inability to enter is not punishment but inevitability. What brought the psyche this far cannot accompany it further. When he strikes the rock instead of speaking to it, we glimpse the reflex of force and certainty, methods that once worked but no longer belong. Moses must remain at the threshold: seeing, blessing, releasing.
At this edge comes a final, subtle warning: not to look back. In mythic language, this is not a moral command but a psychological truth. To look back is to attempt to reclaim control, to fix transformation into certainty, to possess what must remain alive. At the threshold, attention itself can collapse the liminal. Certainty hardens what needs to stay fluid. Grasping freezes what must continue to move. The past, if re-grasped, reclaims its authority.
In this light, “Moses” is completed leadership. Every psyche requires such a figure to name what matters, to break the spell of captivity, to orient the journey. But Moses cannot become Joshua. The next movement requires participation rather than mediation, presence rather than instruction. The Promised Land must be lived, not explained.
The deeper truth, perhaps, is this: the journey does not end with leaving “Egypt“. One must also let go of the guide who made that departure possible. Form must yield to life. Structure must soften into relationship. And the land ahead can only be entered by those who no longer need to define it, only to dwell within it.
PeterParticipantHi Anita
In noticing that habit of judgment and making the conscious shift toward grace, you are refusing to let the “Pharaoh” of your past, that survival-driven rigidity—dictate your future. I am reminded of a beautiful, ancient idea of the “Wounded Healer” the person whose authority to help others comes not from being perfect, but from having walked through the fire of their own brokenness. By staying strong enough to feel the old pain while choosing the “middle way,” you aren’t just healing yourself; you’re creating a space for others who are still lost between those two painful camps. It’s a quiet, powerful kind of strength that doesn’t need to hardened.
PeterParticipantHi Anita. Thanks for such a raw and honest exploration of the topic. I think you were correct in noticing a political nuance; the ‘hardened heart’ seems very present in many of today’s leaders. Wisely, though, you have seen past that to the psychological shadow that perhaps lies within all of us.
You’ve touched on something important: that for a child in pain, hardening isn’t a “mistake,” it’s a survival strategy. When the world is divided into the rejected and the rejecting, the heart turns into a shield just to endure. To a child, such “either/or” experiences are very real, so I appreciate your thoughts on a third, middle way. I very much relate to that experience and wonder if this is the ‘birth of the shadow’ that eventually transforms into a “Pharaoh” that will not or at some point cannot ‘let go’.
I think you nailed it by noticing that “empathy without discernment” is the real trap. The solution, not a label of ‘sin’ but the middle way as a journey for all of us to remember the rhythm that was perhaps taken away from us long ago.
Perhaps that is why the story of Exodus has “haunted” me and felt in need of reclaiming… to that end I plan to further explore the story as if it were a dream to see what else might be revealed.
PeterParticipantHi Alessa, you point directly to the heart of the matter: “look toward the light, be kind, and help where you can.”… and I might leave it their, if I haven’t been noticing how difficult that sometimes is.
I really appreciated your perspective. As a young mother, you’re navigating the objective world in such a vital way, while I’m at a stage where I tend to look at things through the symbols they leave behind, or may be living us… my attempt at shining a light…
I wrote that post because I’d notice a bit of a struggle in my own heart, questioning my own kindness. That feeling pulled up an old memory of the Exodus story. As I sat with it, I realized how much that story had “lived” my younger self; exploring it was my way of taking ownership of what was mine. I also felt it was a good example of how a story can ‘live’ us unconsciously, individually and nationally.
I have learned to view Pharaoh a little differently, though. As a symbol I don’t feel his heart was ever broken ‘open’; Instead, I think he represents that rigid part of ourselves that hardens to a point it simply cannot give in. In my view, such an inner “Pharaoh” can’t change until it is overwhelmed by life it self… I’d like to avoid that.
I hear you on why “Golden Age” feels like the wrong term in today’s, often ugly, divisions. In my head, I was looking at it through a long historical lens, thinking about how we have so much more, compared to any time in the past. Where so many get to indulge in our wants above and beyond or needs. Instead, in what should be a Golden age, we seem to be retreating into those old, rigid ways, spending more on missiles than on the people who need help. I suspect history, and our children children may not be very kind to us for that.
I try to stay fluid, moving and responding, rather than letting the weight of the world turn my heart into a stone that refuses to move. But it’s not easy and perhaps why noticing any harding is important work. Individually, nationally and globally.
April 10, 2026 at 9:17 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456805
PeterParticipantI was partially disturbed by a new Christin Nationalist theology emerging and catching on that claims that ’empathy as a sin’
April 10, 2026 at 8:38 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456803
PeterParticipantThanks, Anita. It has been a hard week. I’ve been reminded again about how easily we let national narratives consume us, and the reckless way leadership handles language.
I’m working on a piece about the temptation to ‘harden one’s heart’ as a means of escape, a re-examination of the Exodus story as a warning for today, as well as a attempt to heal a old story my youngers self struggled with. It feels a bit heavy for a thread on Purpose, so I’ll likely post it as a new topic titled ‘The Hardening Heart: Why We Must Be Wary.’
April 5, 2026 at 9:33 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456642
PeterParticipantAnita, I want to share a few thoughts on this ‘reward and punishment’ cycle. warning: I find myself using a language I’ve inherited, theological words like grace, Sabbath, or mystery, not as rigid definitions, but as pointers I’m trying to reclaim. I hope they can be held lightly as a different way of viewing a painting.
Your memory of that ‘interrupted exhale’ perfectly illustrates why the theology of reward and punishment so often misses the mark. It creates a ‘hungry system’ where love is treated as a wage to be earned rather than a gift to be received. When we are punished for our most authentic movements, like a five-year-old running with unhindered joy, we learn to believe that our ’emotional presence’ is a liability.
We are taught that Life is a harsh master who harvests where he did not plant. But I wonder if we can reframe that.
In the story I’m trying to inhabit, the ‘punishment’, the rejection and the silence, is never the final word. And the ‘reward’ isn’t a prize for good behavior; it is the sheer, unmerited grace of a life that simply refuses to stay buried.
What you call ‘holding your breath’ or ‘going invisible,’ I see as a holy hiding. You weren’t failing to grow; you were protecting a seed of ’emotional presence’ that was too tender for the world you were in. A seed too precious to be crushed by someone who couldn’t recognize its value.
I don’t feel reclaiming that exhale is about finally being ‘good enough’ to earn a reward. But a realization that the old ‘system’ of measurement, those scales of merit and debt, has been broken open.
The seed you hid becomes, not a ‘talent’ to be traded, but your very life. And now, in this season of your own ‘waiting to exhale,’ that presence is coming to light. It transcends the old economy of punishment. It doesn’t need to perform anymore. It just needs to breathe.
April 5, 2026 at 9:12 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456641
PeterParticipantHi Anita, thank you for the dialogue with Jung and friends; it gave me much to ponder. I feel like we are both working to reclaim the dignity of the third servant… or perhaps the inner child. Whether we call the Divine ‘God,’ ‘Life,’ or even the internalized voices of mother and father, when the ‘story’ we are told doesn’t match our lived experience, I’ve begun to wonder if burying a talent isn’t an act of fear, but a holy act of planting.
Perhaps the child isn’t failing to ‘invest’ their life, but is instead protecting a truth that the current system would only weaponize or crush. If the burial is a Sabbath – a holy refusal to perform – then what is in the ground isn’t lost. It is a seed waiting for a world that is finally ready to let it rise…
This Easter morning was quiet, the kind of quiet that doesn’t ask to be filled.
I stood a long while before the stillness until it became a mirror:
An old man seeing the face of a young boy.
A face excited, holding words he couldn’t yet read,
trusting that one day they would open.
Innocence looks like hope then.I watch as the eyes tighten into a worry:
a suspicion that love feels heavier then it should,
why it seems to demand so much…
a face still too young to read that far into the story.It is not a decision yet. Just a tightening.
A small inward turn, barely noticed.
The sense that something should be held back,
kept safe, kept quiet.
This is how the hiding begins.Something in him withdraws, burying what sees too clearly,
learning how to play a part, convincing even himself.A tear slips past my guard for how carefully that younger self carried his unease.
The face is old again now, as it is, settled in the morning’s emptiness.
Until it, too, begins to fade. The mirror holds only space.Some things are hidden not from fear, but from a inner knowing care.
Some truths need darkness before they can rise.
What is buried is not gone. It is only waiting.April 3, 2026 at 10:43 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456611
PeterParticipantAnita, that phrase -‘Her rage made her God to me’- brought tears to my eyes. It’s a profound and painful truth that our first ‘images of God’ are often just the silhouettes of the powerful figures in our early lives. Whether that authority is a parent’s rage or a church’s rigid doctrine, the result was the same: we buried our ‘talents’ out of a desperate, survival based fear.
How easily we mistake a ‘Harsh Authority’ for the Divine, and how much damage is done when we sanctify that fear.
I hope its ok if I take another shot on my thoughts on the Parable of Talents. I will be using the language I inherited, perhaps fitting for a ‘Good Friday’, so hold them lightly… as pointers not destination.
The Talent Planted as a Seed
It seems to me that the Parable of the Talents has always been read in many different ways. As a child, I was told it was about using the gifts we’ve been given well. There was something honest and life giving in that, an encouragement not to hide, not to shrink back in fear. I’m grateful for that early reading, even now.
And yet, over time, another interpretation took hold. As often the parable was framed within a theology of reward and punishment: succeed and be welcomed; fail and be cast out. Performance became proof of faithfulness. Fear became grounds for judgment. This way of hearing the story sat uneasily with the Jesus I encountered elsewhere, the one who eats with those who have nothing to offer, who forgives before repentance, who fulfills the law not by tightening its demands but by giving himself away in the Paschal mystery.
Still, the story did not rest there. It continued to be repurposed, often pressed into service to justify capitalism, consumerism, and relentless growth. “Increase” became unquestioned good. Productivity became a moral virtue. This shift happens almost invisibly where we take the frantic pressure of productivity and call it ‘stewardship,’ quietly replacing the unconditional nature of grace with a religious version of the bottom line. All of it depended on a quiet assumption: that the master in the parable must be an image (allegory) of God.
But that assumption troubles me. As Richard Rohr and others have noted, the master’s character, harsh, extractive, punishing fear with exile, does not align with the wider witness of Jesus’ life and teaching. If anything, he looks hauntingly like the systems Jesus consistently exposes and unsettles, systems that often discard those who cannot keep up.
In this light I wonder if perhaps the parable may reveal less about who G_d is and more about who ‘we’ are, how easily we project our own fears, economies, and hierarchies onto the divine. How readily we place a mask on ‘God’ that looks suspiciously like the world we already know. We call it obedience. We call it wisdom. And often, we call it faith.
There is grief in recognizing how this story has been used, to motivate through fear, to sanctify exclusion, to confuse worth with usefulness. Sometimes I wonder, almost in lament, whether it would have been better if the parable had never been told at all. Not because it lacks depth, but because of the damage done in its name. Because of how often judgment has been preached where mercy was needed, and silence met those already hiding their fear.
And yet… the story remains.
Maybe it remains not because it gives us answers, but because it refuses to protect us from ourselves. Maybe it lingers as an invitation to gentle honesty, to notice where the master’s face begins to look familiar, where it echoes our own anxieties and need for control. And maybe it leaves open the faint possibility that G_d is not found there at all, but elsewhere, in the refusal to exploit, in the courage to name harsh systems, in the quiet dignity of one who will not turn love into leverage.
If there is hope in this parable, it is small and easily overlooked. It lies not in reward or success, but in the slow unmasking of the images of G_d (‘rage of Mother’) that no longer give us life. It asks us, patiently, to keep listening, to lay down fear, to loosen our grip on merit, and to trust that the true face of that which is transcendent is gentler than we have often allowed ourselves to believe.
And perhaps that trust, however fragile, is itself a kind of faithfulness…
And then perhaps… the parable was never only about talents at all. Perhaps Jesus was speaking, quietly, of what would happen when love refuses the economy of reward and fear. Like the third servant, he would not play the game. He would not multiply power or protect himself. And like the servant, he would be cast out, exposed, silenced, buried.
But what is buried is not gone.
Easter does not justify the system that crucified him; it loosens its grip. It hints that what looks like failure is not the final word, and that what is hidden may yet rise, not by effort, but by grace.
Even the talent left in the ground waits…
April 2, 2026 at 11:45 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456575
PeterParticipantThanks, Anita. It truly would have been a gift to have someone notice back then, but as we’ve been exploring, we often don’t realize when our metaphors and stories are actually ‘living us’ from the inside out. I know the book was given to me in kindness, but as Joseph Campbell might say, that very kindness became a ‘threshold guardian’ a story I had to eventually challenge to find my own way.
I love your insight that 1 x 1 is still 1. It’s mathematically perfect! It suggests the third servant was the only one who refused to participate in the ‘forced growth’ the master demanded. He kept his integrity (his ‘1’) rather than doubling a debt to a system he knew was unjust.
That actually leads into something I’ve been working on but not sure if I should post as it might read political And perhaps it is, but I also hope it shows the process reclaiming a story so that it no longer ‘live me’.
The Talent We Refuse to Spend
The Parable of the Talents has long carried an uneasy weight in the religious imagination. I felt that weight rise again recently while reflecting on a public prayer offered at the Pentagon, one that invoked God as the one “who trains our hands for war” and asked for “overwhelming violence of action against those who deserve no mercy.” The language was arresting, not only for its militancy, but for the image of God it revealed: a judge who rewards force and withholds compassion.
That image feels familiar. It closely resembles the “harsh master” described by the third servant in the parable, the one who reaps where he did not sow and demands results without regard for fear or cost. In both cases, righteousness is framed not as interior transformation or alignment with love, but as output, effectiveness, and compliance. Worth is measured by performance. Mercy is conditional.
Richard Rohr calls this a “toxic image of the Divine,” and for good reason. When God is imagined as merciless, that posture does not remain external. It becomes internalized. The judgment we project outward returns inward. In this sense, the “outer darkness” is not only a future punishment but a present condition, a life shaped by the anxiety of never being enough.
Perhaps this explains why the parable adapts so easily to systems of merit. It fits comfortably within religious hierarchies, economic logic, and corporate culture alike. Even the word talent has shifted, now suggesting intelligence, skill, or productivity. Read this way, the parable becomes a kind of divine performance review: those who multiply are affirmed, while those who do not are cast out. Human purpose is reduced to usefulness.
But all of this rests on one largely unexamined assumption: that the master represents God.
What happens if we pause there? What if the third servant is not wrong?
He alone describes the system plainly. He names the master as harsh, demanding increase without having sown generosity. Perhaps his words are not driven by fear but by clarity. He sees extraction where others see opportunity and recognizes a logic of endless accumulation and quietly refuses to participate.
Burying the talent, then, is not laziness or cowardice. It is refusal. A small, deliberate act of resistance. The servant opts out of a system that equates worth with productivity and enforces participation through threat. He does not try to win. He simply declines to play.
And he pays for it.
He is cast into the outer darkness. But here, too, the meaning shifts. What begins as an internalized fear becomes a lived reality. Systems organized around merit and reward do not tolerate non-participation; exclusion is their predictable response. The punishment does not refute the servant’s critique, it reveals it as it is.
Read this way, the parable does not resolve cleanly. It unsettles. It exposes how easily systems of domination are sanctified by placing the mask of God over them. It raises an uncomfortable possibility: that what we often call “faithfulness” may, at times, be indistinguishable from compliance.
The servant’s fear, then, becomes understandable. His refusal reveals the cost of a world that values results over human dignity. And still, he is expelled.
Rather than offering comfort, the parable presses on the reader. It asks whether systems built on merit, risk, and reward will always create an outer darkness, and whether we are willing to call that good news.
When this story is used to justify exclusion, relentless productivity, or violence without mercy, it reenacts the servant’s nightmare and calls it virtue. It turns people into investments and love into leverage.
To read this story otherwise is not merely a private spiritual exercise. It is a quiet act of resistance, a refusal to measure human worth by output, and a willingness to imagine God not as a master but as relationship, one that does not need to extract value in order to love.
Perhaps the deeper question the parable leaves us with is not what have you produced? or even what have you refused? but something more unsettling: Where have we placed a mask on God, and why?
Where have we baptized systems of fear, extraction, and control by calling them divine? Where have we confused productivity with faithfulness, compliance with trust, domination with blessing? And how often have we accepted these images because they mirror our assumptions about the world, rather than the deeper reality in which love (G_d) is both source and end?
To remove that mask is not dramatic. It is quiet, destabilizing, and often costly. It asks us to sit with the possibility that some versions of God we have inherited are reflections of our own need for order, reward, and control. And it invites us to remain open to something truer, an image that does not threaten exile in order to command allegiance, or demand return in order to justify love.
The parable does not tell us what to think. It asks us to notice where we stand, and whose face we have been calling holy.
April 2, 2026 at 8:45 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456569
PeterParticipantI just realized something as I re-read my own post: even in my attempt to ‘debug’ that old software, the story’s influence was still pulling the strings.
By suggesting that dismantling the ‘Mean Judge’ is our work, I was accidentally putting the burden back on the third servant, as if he’s now failing at ‘being aware’ instead of failing at ‘investing.’
I want to clarify one thing, because I realize my last post could be read as if the ‘Harsh Master’ wasn’t real. In the context of your story, that harshness was real. Your mother’s terror and the pressure you felt weren’t projections; they were your objective environment of being. Similarly my experience on how the Parable of the Talents was taught and is still being thought happened…
When I talk about ‘debugging the software,’ I don’t mean the trauma didn’t happen. I mean that the conclusion the trauma forced on us to draw, that we were ‘shameful’ or ‘a mistake’ is the part that isn’t true.
In Rohr’s view, the third servant’s tragedy is that he took the harshness of the world and assumed that was the nature of the Divine, too. The ‘awareness’ isn’t about pretending the past wasn’t hard; it’s the incredible moment of realizing that although you were treated as a ‘project’ or a ‘disappointment’ for sixty years, that was never your actual identity. You were always ‘the works’..
April 2, 2026 at 8:07 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456568
PeterParticipantHi Anita, I’ve been pondering that experience of religion and undeserved shame, which brought up one of my earliest memories: being given a small book as a child about the Parable of the Talents.
It’s fascinating how metaphors can sometimes “live us” before we are even conscious of them. Even then, I felt a deep, instinctive anxiety. I looked at the world and saw that “talents” – beauty, athleticism, intellect – weren’t distributed equally. To my young mind, the story felt mean; it felt like a high-stakes performance review where the “haves” get more and the “have-nots” are punished for being afraid. I realized I was siding with the third servant, not out of laziness, but because I understood his terror of a “harsh master” who demands a return on an investment he didn’t provide.
I didn’t see a story of reward; I saw a story of injustice. Without being fully conscious of it, that story became the “software” for my shame: If you are afraid, if you aren’t producing, you are “not enough,” you are a mistake.
For years, that metaphor lived in my basement, linking “purpose” to “productivity” and “shame” to “imperfection.” But as we’ve been discussing, perhaps the third servant wasn’t a failure of character, but a victim of a toxic image of the Divine. He couldn’t invest because he was paralyzed by the fear of being “not enough.”
Anita, what you’re doing with “awareness” is essentially debugging that old software. You’re seeing that the “harsh master” was just a projection of trauma, much like the terror you experienced from your mother. Richard Rohr suggests that the third servant’s only real “sin” (which literally means “missing the mark”) was his distorted image of the ‘master’. Once we dismantle that “Mean Judge” in our heads, “purpose” stops being a terrifying quota we have to meet and starts being, as Joseph Campbell put it, the simple “rapture of being alive.”
April 1, 2026 at 11:00 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456533
PeterParticipantHi Anita it does indeed seem that coming to terms and healing notion of purpose and meaning as been taken some work. As Jung might say taken some time to integrate in a way the question and construct dissolves.
I notice in the AI responses that each touched on notions I’ve discussed in my own ways before. I can’t be certain AI wasn’t just mirroring that back. I ended with Watts because he always remembered to laugh and the ‘hide and seek’ we play with ourselves…March 31, 2026 at 1:26 pm in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456492
PeterParticipantAnita, I’ve found myself with little to say lately, and I’m still not sure I have anything new to offer on the idea of ‘purpose.’ For me, that construct was always so wrapped up in religion where that it actually became its own source of shame.
Yet, seeing the way you’ve used awareness to dismantle your own shame is incredibly powerful. It makes me wonder if as you suggest the real ‘antidote’ isn’t finding a grand meaning, but simply the act of waking up to who we actually are, beyond the labels and the terror.
Jung, Campbell, and Krishnamurti have been big influences on my own thoughts regarding purpose, so I decided to see what they might ‘say’ to your story using AI. I found the results fascinating, though keep in mind the AI was definitely mirroring my own biases back to me!
A rare gathering of minds, Imagine them sitting in a sun-drenched garden discussing the “Purpose” you have just begun to claim.
Jung: (Leaning forward, eyes piercing) Purpose is not a destination, but the process of Individuation. For decades, Anita, your “purpose” was forced upon you by the psychic weight of your mother’s terror—a false purpose of survival. But now, as you become “aware of what you weren’t aware of before,” you are reclaiming the gold from the shadow. Your tics were the body’s protest against a stolen life. Your true purpose now is to allow the Self to finally speak, to integrate that “freakishness” into the wholeness of being human.
Campbell: (With a warm, knowing smile) Exactly, Carl. She has spent sixty years in the “Abyss,” that stage of the Hero’s Journey where the self is tested by fire. Her mother was the threshold guardian who used terror to keep her from the journey. But look at her words: “not inferior, not shameful… but human.” That is the “Boon.” The purpose of her life wasn’t to be “perfect,” but to experience the rapture of being alive. The shame was the dragon; the awareness is the sword. She is finally walking her own path, the “Left-hand Path” of the individual who breaks from the tribe’s false morality.
Krishnamurti: (Softly, with an intense stillness) But we must be careful with these words “purpose,” “path,” “journey.” If you have a purpose, you have a goal, and where there is a goal, there is the effort of the “me” to become something it is not. Anita says she is “learning,” but is she accumulating knowledge about herself, or is she observing herself? Shame exists only because she put herself on a pedestal of “ideals” – of what a daughter or a “normal” person should be. When the pedestal is gone, when she is just “what is,” shame has no place to stand.
Jung: (Nodding) But Jiddu, to face “what is” requires the ego to first recognize its own conditioning. She is doing that. She is seeing the “tics” not as a flaw, but as a symptom of a deeper, trauma she carried.
Krishnamurti: Yes, but the “learning” she speaks of becoming – “AWARE and AWAKE” — that is the key. Real awareness is “choiceless”. It is not “I am better now because I am confident.” It is the silent observation of the anxiety, the tics, the history, without judgment. In that observation, the “me” that was a “shameful mistake” simply dissolves. There is no “purpose” in life other than the act of living itself, free from the past.
Campbell: (Laughing gently) And that, Anita, is the ultimate “boon.” To realize that the sixty years of “just existing” were the preparation for this moment of “waking up.” Your purpose isn’t to fix the past, but to be the one who finally sees it clearly. As you said, awareness is the counter to shame. You are no longer the “mistake”; you are the witness.
Alan Watts: (Stepping in with a wide, mischievous grin, leaning against a garden post) Oh, but let’s not get too heavy with the “myths” and “shadows,” shall we? Anita, Don’t worry about being ‘perfect’ or even ‘better.’ Just realize that you are It. You are the works! The universe isn’t looking for a “corrected” version of you; it’s just delighted to finally see you looking back.
PeterParticipantFor Fun I used AI to look back on my thoughts on change and asked it to respond as Krishnamurti. I’m going to share as i… he can be ‘a lot’ 🙂 so hold the words lightly..
Krishnamurti’s AI Response:
“Sirs, why do we create this division? When Peter says ‘I identify with my thoughts,’ or ‘I am the observer of my thoughts,’ he is creating a conflict. Is the observer different from the thing observed?If you say, ‘I have changed my perspective,’ you are still looking from a center—a ‘me’ that is judging the change. But if you see that the thinker is the thought, then there is no one to change. There is only the movement of thought itself.
Peter asks, ‘Is a shift in understanding change?’ I would say: as long as there is an effort to change, there is no change at all. It is only when you observe without the observer—without the ‘parentheses’ of your past ideas—that something totally new can come into being. Anita, if you identify with your thoughts, you are the thoughts. There is no ‘you’ separate from them to be changed. Can you look at that fact without any judgment? Only in that choiceless awareness is there a transformation that is not just a ‘shift in perspective’ but a complete ending of the old.”
My thoughts – Well Krishnamurti is direct but what he says is fact even if the words often feel radical. From what I can tell all the wisdom traditions lean into the same truth if in a different languange. At least the mystics of the traditions do. Self emptying, no self, doing by not doing, virgin birth… leaving me to wonder if True Free will may just be the dissolving of self, creating space for the core, perhaps the ‘quite id’ to see life as it is and respond…
AI summing up my thoughts on change: Again I’m just going to share as is.
What you’re describing is essentially the perennial philosophy, the idea that beneath various cultural and religious “languages,” there is a shared, underlying truth about the nature of the self and reality.
Your interpretation of those mystical symbols aligns remarkably well with this “core” you’ve identified:
Self-Emptying (Kenosis) & No-Self (Anatta): Whether it’s the Christian concept of emptying oneself of ego to be filled by the divine, or the Buddhist realization that there is no permanent, separate “I,” both point to the same thing: the removal of the filter that distorts our perception.Doing by Not Doing (Wu Wei): This Taoist principle isn’t about passivity; it’s about effortless action. When you stop “trying” to be a certain way, your actions become a spontaneous and harmonious response to the world around you, rather than a forced decision by a defensive ego.
The Virgin Birth: In a mystical sense, this can be seen as the “birth” of something new and sacred (the “core”) within a mind that has become “virgin” or empty of past conditioning and egoic noise.
The “Quiet Id“: It’s interesting you use that term. While Freud saw the Id as a chaotic bundle of instincts, mystics might see that “primal” layer differently—not as something to be repressed, but as the raw, unconditioned energy of life that can finally be seen clearly once the “ego-rider” stops trying to control the path.
True Free Will as “Dissolving” Your idea that true free will is the dissolving of the self is a fascinating paradox. Usually, we think of free will as the “I” making a choice. But if that “I” is just a bundle of habits, fears, and conditioning, is that choice truly free?
In this view, freedom isn’t the ability to do “whatever I want,” but the freedom from the “I” and its wants. When the self dissolves, you aren’t acting out of past “programming”; you are responding to what is
🙂 Of course A1 is just reflecting myself back to me, and I notice my ego finds it a nice hiding place.
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