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July 30, 2016 at 11:54 am #110974AnonymousGuest
Dear Ravi:
You repeatedly stated that you will not stop going after Jerry, that you will die trying, didn’t you? Will you keep messaging Jerry, again and again for as long as you are alive, no matter what she says, no matter what she wants, what she states to you?
anita
July 30, 2016 at 11:59 am #110976ravi_zimmerfanParticipantNo, Anita. After discussing with you and after reading certain articles today, I do not feel that is a good thing to do. It’s not love… it is a violation of her rights and feelings. It will be termed as obsessive and pathological behaviour and make me no different from a stalker, no matter what my motivation is. It’s the last thing I want to be, and last thing I want to do is to harass or stress her out. If she makes it final that she wants to have nothing to do with me, then I guess the only correct thing will be to respect her decision and keep silent henceforth. I’ll always love her in my heart, wish well for her and pray that by some miracle, she understands someday. If not, I’ll keep silent and find some way to cope with my depression and pain. It pains me to say this, but what more can I do.
July 30, 2016 at 12:07 pm #110977AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
Then this last post you wrote, right above, should be in your message to her. I think you are ready now for the first draft. Don’t edit the last one, start from the beginning. Are you ready for the first draft: now or later, all at once or in steps, as you choose. I am here to give you my feedback. Make it honest, straightforward, true; no histrionics, no anger, no blaming. And so, it will be truly loving.
anita
July 30, 2016 at 12:30 pm #110981ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI modified my previous message in light of our present discussion. Please see if its okay –
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I know you don’t want to talk to me and I know I am fallen in the eyes of you and your sister. I understand and accept why. I don’t know whether you’ll reply or read this message, or delete it after a glance. I’m messaging you because my exams are over at last, and this is something I have been wishing to say for long, Jerry. I don’t feel repeating what we’ve said before is apt. I accept that we both are governed by social and cultural rules, and I am nobody to consider myself above the same. In that context, I accept that I have done a great wrong, whatever my motivations were. If it means I became a monster, I accept that I am one. I accept that you loved me as a brother only and never expected this from me. I failed to live up to your trust and faith in me. I know you don’t like these things and that’s why I tried to keep my feelings from you and confessed only to our two mutual friends. I admit I have lost my temper over petty issues, behaved badly with you, even stopped talking. I took your love and respect, your forgiveness and the special position you gave to me, for granted. I was selfish, obnoxious and inconsiderate. I’m sorry for everything you had to go through because of me. I was so touched by your last message, “though he hurted me with the bad words he used, I’ll pray for him and always think good only for him”, I promised to change myself and I’ve made every effort to stop using bad language and losing temper.
I only wanted to say that I never stopping caring for you, willfully disrespected you or thought inappropriately of you, Jerry. My love was always based on respect for you as a person and your virtues which make you who you are. I wish you could understand that my underlying motivation is sincere, and not lust or obsession. I don’t know about anything else, but I miss you. I miss you and our bond every day and every moment. There has not been a single day from 7th March when I’ve had a single moment of peace. I have been told to remain happy with all the others who call me brother. But you know better than me that no relation can ever take the place of another. And nobody can ever take your place in my life either, Jerry. That’s how it has been and how it always will be. I’m not asking for any special place in your life, and I have no right to request anything from you. I admit that I wanted to message more often, but I realized that it’s not an act of love or care but rather a violation of your rights and feelings. It will be termed as obsessive and pathological behaviour and make me no different from a stalker, no matter what my motivation is. That’s the last thing I want to be, and last thing I want to do is to harass or cause stress to you. If you’ve deemed it final that you want to have nothing to do with me, then I guess the only correct thing will be to respect your decision and keep silent henceforth. I’ll always wish well for you and pray that by some miracle, you understand someday. If not, I’ll keep silent and find some way to cope with my depression and pain. It pains me to say this, but what more can I do. I wanted to convey that I accept I genuinely did wrong, and you should know this.
July 30, 2016 at 12:35 pm #110983AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
Delete the first few lines then cut the message in half, then send it to me.
anita
July 30, 2016 at 12:41 pm #110984ravi_zimmerfanParticipantHere…
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Hi Jerry. I’m messaging because my exams are over at last, and this is something I have been wishing to say for long. I don’t feel repeating what we’ve said before is apt. I accept that we both are governed by social and cultural rules, and I am nobody to consider myself above the same. In that context, I accept that I have done a great wrong, whatever my motivations were. If it means I became a monster, I accept that I am one. I accept that you loved me as a brother only and never expected this from me. I failed to live up to your trust and faith in me. I know you don’t like these things and that’s why I tried to keep my feelings from you and confessed only to our two mutual friends. I admit I have lost my temper over petty issues, behaved badly with you, even stopped talking. I took your love and respect, your forgiveness and the special position you gave to me, for granted. I’m sorry for everything you had to go through because of me. I was so touched by your last message, “though he hurted me with the bad words he used, I’ll pray for him and always think good only for him”, I promised to change myself and I’ve made every effort to stop using bad language and losing temper.
I only wish you could understand that I never stopping caring for you, willfully disrespected you or thought inappropriately of you, Jerry. My love was always based on respect for you as a person and your virtues which make you who you are. I don’t know about anything else, but I miss you. I miss you and our bond every day and every moment. There has not been a single day from 7th March when I’ve had a single moment of peace. I have been told to remain happy with all the others who call me brother. But you know better than me that no relation can ever take the place of another. And nobody can ever take your place in my life either, Jerry. That’s how it has been and how it always will be. I admit that I wanted to message more often, but I realized that it’s not an act of love or care but rather a violation of your rights and feelings. It will be termed as obsessive and pathological behaviour and make me no different from a stalker, no matter what my motivation is. That’s the last thing I want to be, and last thing I want to do is to harass or cause stress to you. If you’ve deemed it final that you want to have nothing to do with me, then I guess the only correct thing will be to respect your decision and keep silent henceforth. I’ll always wish well for you and pray that by some miracle, you understand someday. If not, I’ll find some way to cope with my depression and pain. It pains me to say this, but what more can I do. I accept I genuinely did wrong, and felt you should know this.
July 30, 2016 at 1:20 pm #110986AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
My editing:
Hi Jerry. I’m messaging because my exams are over at last and I am not as distressed as I was before. My thinking is clearer and my understanding has improved. I now accept that we both are governed by social and cultural rules, and so, I have done a great wrong: I betrayed our sis/bro relationship.Through our whole communication, you loved me as a brother, and as a brother only. Your behavior was strictly that of a sister. You have done no wrong. It was I who failed to live up to your trust and faith in me. I made a big mistake. And then I made things worse, pointing the finger of blame at you when it was me who was at fault, not you.
I miss you and the bond we shared. If it is indeed over, I must accept it. If it is your need now that I will no longer message you, then I must comply. This would be the loving thing for me to do. I must not again violate your rights and disregard your feelings.
My depression and pain, these are mine to deal with, my responsibility and not yours. Your responsibility is to do what is right for you.
I regret betraying our sis/brother bond and am more than willing to do all that I can to resurrect it and make it better. I will be the best brother a sister can have! But you would be the one to decide if you will give me another chance, and if you do, it will be you to decide if I succeed.
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anita
July 30, 2016 at 6:10 pm #111008ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThanks a lot, Anita. It’s really good. I added a few points from my original message and merged here… please see if its ok. Otherwise will send the above message you edited.
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Hi Jerry. I’m messaging because my exams are over at last and I am not as distressed as I was before. My thinking is clearer and my understanding has improved. I now accept that we both are governed by social and cultural rules, and I am nobody to consider myself above the same. In that context, I accept I have done a great wrong. I betrayed our sis/bro relationship. Through our whole communication, you loved me as a brother, and as a brother only. Your actions were strictly that of a sister. You have done no wrong. It was I who failed to live up to your trust and faith in me. I made a big mistake. I admit I lost my temper over petty issues, behaved badly with you, even stopped talking. I took your love and respect, your forgiveness and the special position you gave to me, for granted. I’m sorry for everything you had to go through because of me.
I miss you and the bond we shared. If it is indeed over, I must accept it. If it is your need now that I must no longer message you, then I must comply. This would be the loving thing for me to do. I must not again violate your rights and disregard your feelings. My depression and pain are mine to deal with, my responsibility and not yours. Your responsibility is to do what is right for you; to take care of yourself and be happy. I have been told to remain happy with all the others who call me brother. But you know better than me that no relation can ever take the place of another. And nobody can ever take your place in my life either, Jerry. I regret betraying our sis/brother bond and am more than willing to do everything I can to resurrect it and make it better. I will be the best brother a sister can have. But you would be the one to decide if you will give me another chance, and if you do, it will be you to decide if I succeed or not.July 30, 2016 at 8:03 pm #111015AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
You added to my version: “and I am nobody to consider myself above the same.”- I strongly dislike you writing that you are a nobody and I don’t care about the context of writing it. I am strongly against it!
You also added: “. In that context” and I disagree it is a good idea because it takes away from you taking responsibility and it is most important that you take responsibility for having done wrong. You already specified what it is you did. “in that context” is getting close to your pattern of being argumentative. I don’t want you even close to argumentative. This addition takes away from your chances of her answering you.
You added: ” I admit I lost my temper over petty issues, behaved badly with you, even stopped talking. I took your love and respect, your forgiveness and the special position you gave to me, for granted…” I don’t like this either, it takes away from the most important part of the message AND your temper was not the cause of the cutting of communication anyway! Not that you should behave abusively with her- never should you do that- only this topic is not right in this message.
You added: “I have been told to remain happy with all the others who call me brother. But you know better than me that no relation can ever take the place of another. And nobody can ever take your place in my life either, Jerry”- I am strongly against this addition as well. It is again, Ravi going weird with exaggerations. yes, Ravi, exaggerations. You can talk about nobody ever taking her place in your life etc.. once you show her that you can practice THE BASICS of LOVE. Stick to the basics, the foundation of a building, metaphorically, before you plan on fancy, flashy windows at the top.
In other words, I like my version and none of your additions (this is why I didn’t include them in my version to start with).
Will you let me know the exact version you intend to send her BEFORE you send it to her?
anita
July 30, 2016 at 8:11 pm #111017ravi_zimmerfanParticipantOK Anita. I understand. I edited and wrote that I have no right to consider myself above the rules, because it shows me accepting my arrogance and repenting it, also accepting what my place is. But can remove it as needed too. Please see if this is ok.
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Hi Jerry. I’m messaging because my exams are over at last and I am not as distressed as I was before. My thinking is clearer and my understanding has improved. I now accept that we both are governed by social and cultural rules, and I have no right to consider myself above the same. I accept I have done a great wrong. I betrayed our bro-sis relationship. Through our whole communication, you loved me as a brother, and as a brother only. Your actions were strictly that of a sister. You have done no wrong. It was I who failed to live up to your trust and faith in me. I made a truly terrible mistake. I’m sorry for everything you had to suffer because of me.
I miss you and the bond we shared. If it is indeed over, I must accept it. If it is your need now that I must no longer message you, then I must comply. This would be the loving thing for me to do. I must not again violate your rights and disregard your feelings. My depression and pain are mine to deal with, my responsibility and not yours. Your responsibility is to do what is right for you; to take care of yourself and be happy. I regret betraying our sister/brother bond and am more than willing to do everything I can to resurrect it and make it better. I will be the best brother a sister can have. But you would be the one to decide if you will give me another chance, and if you do, it will be you to decide if I succeed or not.
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July 30, 2016 at 8:28 pm #111021AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
Bingo! This is it! If this message is true to you, if you feel at peace with it, then this is it. We have over 400 posts on this thread so I know something about your situation at this point and I strongly feel that this message has the greatest chance of any possible message, to get her to respond positively.
I don’t see a possible better message. Still, of course, no guarantees whatsoever. But I am excited if this is exactly the message you will be sending her. It is so very different than any message you sent her since March. Very different. This is a mature, clear thinking Ravi who takes responsibility, who is practical and knows what he wants and it is a Ravi who knows the basics of love! If I was her, I would answer.
But of course, I am not her. Let me know the moment you send it so I can count the hours with you. Hoping it will only be hours.
anita
July 30, 2016 at 8:34 pm #111023ravi_zimmerfanParticipantOK Anita. Thanks a lot, truly. 🙂 I could not have done this without you. Honestly speaking, I am not at peace with saying that I must accept it if the bond is truly over. I admit it’s selfish of me. But I know it’s the right thing to say too… to acknowledge and respect her feelings. If she really does say that she does not want to continue the bond, I have to accept it, right. Can’t go back on my words. 🙁 I don’t know how I feel. I’m just praying she understands.
I’ll send soon after showing a couple of my friends. What if she doesn’t reply? For how long should I wait… and then, should I send any other message? What if she messages via her sister? What if her reply is negative like I mentioned above? Just voicing my doubts and fears.
July 30, 2016 at 8:46 pm #111024AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
Yes, if you send this message it does mean that if Jerry does not answer you or if she answers you but not positively, it does mean that you no longer message her, not directly and not indirectly (except on the specific Facebook topics she may still be okay with). Yes, it does mean you will not stalk her.
This is a big decision for you then. You have to be okay with this message before you send it. This is the best message, I have no doubt. You might want to wait with it for later… I don’t know.
If you don’t send this particular message, I hope you don’t send any other. I can’t stand the thought of more of the old argumentative, blaming, histrionic Ravi. I got to a place of no return on this issue: I can’t stand the argumentative, blaming, histrionic Ravi!
I so much prefer the responsible, loving Ravi!
So, let me know which Ravi you choose to be…? The Ravi who loves Jerry or the Ravi who Stalks and tortures Jerry?
anita
July 30, 2016 at 8:49 pm #111025ravi_zimmerfanParticipantIs it not possible that I can try to make up to her without being argumentative, blaming and histrionic, and without stalking her? Without encroaching upon her rights, while still being responsible and loving?
July 30, 2016 at 8:57 pm #111027AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
I don’t know what you mean? Do you not want to send the message? What do you want to do exactly?
anita
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