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Does this sound like ROCD or just anxiety? Need some insight/ advice please.

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  • #426103
    Nala1234
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    I feel like I need an answer as to why this happens to me bc it makes me feel the lowest I’ve ever felt in my life.
    I get these horrible intrusive thoughts about my significant other. We have been together for 7 happy years and these thoughts make me feel depressed, angry, and confused.
    They always get triggered by some kind of small action that he makes. Things that should just pass by, feel like an explosion of emotions in my head and body.
    For example, we were leaving the store a couple days ago with just one item. As we finished checking out, he started to walk towards the exit without grabbing the one item, assuming I would grab it (which I did no problem. My hands were not full. It was a small item. I was 100% capable.)
    However, I immediately felt this overwhelming sensation with negative thoughts like “he doesn’t take care of you. ” “how can he be so rude to the person he is supposed to love?” “he is so inconsiderate. Only ever thinks about himself” “what is wrong with him?” “how could he?” “You always get stuck doing all the work.” “He always just assumes you’ll take care of everything”
    These thoughts put me in panics. They make me question everything. Every move he makes, I try to analyze. The feeling that overcomes my body is so overwhelming I usually just uncontrollably cry.
    This happens every so often randomly and it makes me feel like I am losing my mind. I hate it so much. He does help with anything I ask. He does not ever expect anything to be done for him by me. So when I do helpful things for him, I would love to feel the love that is inspiring these actions of mine. Not the anxiety that tells me I am feeling some sort of resentment.
    This post would be too long if I provided all the context as to why our relationship is so great in reality. When I don’t feel anxious, I would never question anything he does or says. My significant other is such a kind, supportive, and incredible person. We live such a great life together and I would not trade it for the world. The only issue are these “episodes” I go through.
    Please feel free to share anything that you think could be helpful to me. I would love any advice or insight.
    Thank you!

    #426106
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Nala1234:

    Welcome back! We communicated back in October 6-18, 2022. On Oct 8 last year I mentioned ROCD to you. A year and 2 months later (today), you asked if what you’re experiencing- with the same boyfriend- sounds like “ROCD or just anxiety?“. I will try to answer your question at the end of this post.

    Back in October 2022, you shared (I am adding the boldface feature to the quotes): “I feel a lot of built up guilt… I base a lot of my happiness on the happiness of others, especially my immediate family. If they are unhappy I blame myself… My upbringing never really taught me how to process sad or negative feelings. If there was a problem, I was taught to…  always have my guard up… it has always made me think I can’t let anyone ever see me weak… I don’t question my parents love for me… (but) It is a depending love..  it makes me feel like, if I cannot help them then they will..  not like me.. It is how I am asked for things. It is always such a guilt trip and makes it nearly impossible to say no. Guilt trips are a bigggg thing in my family. They have been used my whole life“-

    – Re-reading the above, I am noticing the following: (1) your anger (in the part I boldfaced) at the people in your immediate family who guilt tripped you so heavily and for so long. (2) your distrust in your parents’ love for you, suspecting that their love will not be there if you don’t submit to their guilt trips and do what they want you to do. (3) you grew up suppressing and repressing (pushing down) your negative emotions, guarding them from being expressed.

    You shared today: “I get these horrible intrusive thoughts about my significant other…  They always get triggered by some kind of small action that he makes. Things that should just pass by, feel like an explosion of emotions in my head and body. For example, we were leaving the store a couple days ago with just one item. As we finished checking out, he started to walk towards the exit without grabbing the one item, assuming I would grab it… I immediately felt this overwhelming sensation with negative thoughts like ‘he doesn’t take care of you.’ ‘how can he be so rude to the person he is supposed to love?’ ‘he is so inconsiderate. Only ever thinks about himself’ ‘what is wrong with him?’… ‘He always just assumes you’ll take care of everything’ These thoughts put me in panics. They make me question everything. Every move he makes, I try to analyze. The feeling that overcomes my body is so overwhelming… This happens every so often randomly and it makes me feel like I am losing my mind”-

    – seems to me that when your significant other (I’ll refer to him as S) left the item for you to carry, your suppressed and repressed anger from your childhood erupted. The incident of S leaving the item for you to carry was a small incident, but your childhood pent up anger is HUGE, and your emotional reaction to the incident was proportional to the amount of your pushed-down anger at your parents for guilt tripping you and making their love for you conditional on you submitting to their guilt trips.

    Him leaving the item for you to carry made you think of/ feel your parents leaving their happiness for you to carry (“If they are unhappy I blame myself“, Oct 2022).

    The thoughts that crossed your mind during that incident regarding S: (1)  “he doesn’t take care of you.“- a thought that follows perhaps an earlier life thought such as: my parents don’t take care of me: they make me feel guilty and they won’t stop no matter how badly I feel!

    (2) “how can he be so rude to the person he is supposed to love?“- a thought that follows perhaps an earlier life thought such as: how can my parents be so rude to me, a person they are supposed to love? (3) ‘he is so inconsiderate. Only ever thinks about himself‘”-… my parents are so inconsiderate of me, they only think about themselves, their unhappiness, their feelings, not mine!

    (6) “He always just assumes you’ll take care of everything“- a thought that follows perhaps an earlier life thought such as: my parents assume and demand that I will take care of their feelings.. what about MY feelings?

    As to your question: “Does this sound like ROCD or just anxiety?“- my answer: it sounds like a mix of anger and anxiety.

    Need some insight/ advice“- it is very difficult for most (if not all) children and adult children to talk negatively about their parents, particularly when heavily guilt tripped as children, but it is necessary to do so when one’s parents’ behaviors were indeed significantly or severely negative, having created an emotional backlog of (understandable, valid) hurt, anger and fear inside you. Quality psychotherapy is the best place to do it, to talk and process these backlogged, pushed down intense feelings, so that their intensity lessens and lessens and you reach a place of peace within yourself.

    What do you think of my reply, Nala1234?

    anita

     

    #426112
    Nala1234
    Participant

    Anita,

    thank you for your response.
    since my last post about a year ago, I have been in consistent therapy. It has helped so much with my anxiety. It did really lead me away from my relationship anxiety and helped me realize that there was so much more to work through. My relationship anxiety went away and other anxieties came up. I made progress in the realizations that my family has had a huge effect on my mental health. It is a slow process to heal, but last night and this morning felt like the biggest setback I have had. It felt like I felt a year ago when I had this panic attack with negative thoughts about my boyfriend (who we are calling “S”.) The thoughts have changed since last year. But the same terrifying feeling came back and really scared me. This is the first time since I made that first post in 2022.

    Now that I am feeling more rational, it’s easier to work through why I think this may have happened.
    S is going through a hard time himself right now. It’s hard to be supportive sometimes when I myself am not in the best mental state. Sometimes I think his anxiety feeds mine. We will also be visiting with my family soon and I have a lot of worries and fears going into it. It makes me so sad that they get projected onto S. I have fears that my family does not like S. But I have no logical reason to believe this. I think that is an anxious thought that comes from the manipulation we experienced with an old friends. Along with the amount of pressure I feel to meet my family’s unrealistic expectations.

    Ultimately, I do agree with your answer in your response that I am feeling a mix of anger and anxiety.
    I have trouble with knowing what to do with these emotions when the only thing that feels like the right answer is to pick an argument with S. Or tell him what’s going on in my head, hear what he has to say and then immediately shut it down and have something else negative to say ti him. This is toxic behavior from me & I know it has to be hurting his feelings. I want to stop, it is not fair to him.
    Any advice as to how I can combat feeling this way without needing S’s support? He is not the person that I should talk to if the negative thoughts are about him. This usually happens during the off hours of my therapist so talking to him in the moment would not be an option either.

    Thanks again,

    nala1234

    #426114
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Nala1234: I will be able to read and reply to your recent post (and to anything you may add to it before I return) tomorrow (Saturday) morning, in about 18 hours from now.

    anita

     

    #426123
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Nala1234:

    You are very welcome.

    “Since my last post about a year ago, I have been in consistent therapy. It has helped so much with my anxiety… My relationship anxiety went away and other anxieties came up. I made progress in the realizations that my family has had a huge effect on my mental health. It is a slow process to heal, but last night and this morning felt like the biggest setback I have had. It felt like I felt a year ago when I had this panic attack with negative thoughts about my boyfriend (who we are calling ‘S’.) The thoughts have changed since last year. But the same terrifying feeling came back and really scared me. This is the first time since I made that first post in 2022.”-

    –  (1) Congratulations for all your work and commitment to healing! (2) Reading this reminds me of my MANY setbacks and how each setback scared me as I thought that the progress I made was gone because of the setback. With that fear-reaction to the setback, I stopped progressing for long periods of time, regressing instead. Eventually, I figured that setbacks are part of the process/ part of the progress, that in matters of mental health, there is no such thing as a linear, never-setback progress.  Viewing setbacks as they truly are made my long-term progress possible.

    S is going through a hard time himself right now. It’s hard to be supportive sometimes when I myself am not in the best mental state. Sometimes I think his anxiety feeds mine“- it takes team work (a Win-Win relationship) to help each other with anxiety, including giving each other space/ alone time.

    We will also be visiting with my family soon and I have a lot of worries and fears going into it“- every time I visited my mother (after I left to another country), I experienced lots of anxiety- before, during, and after each visit. Similar to you,  (“my family has had a huge effect on my mental health“), my mother (my father didn’t leave with us) had a huge negative effect on my mental health. That negative effect got triggered every time I was in her physical presence.

    For me, every visit with her was a real setback. It took longer and longer to recover from each visit as the years gone by.

    I have fears that my family does not like S. But I have no logical reason to believe this“- if your family will appear unhappy anytime during your visit with S, you might assume that they don’t like him, even if they don’t say anything on the matter  simply because, as you wrote in regard to your family back in Oct 2022: “If they are unhappy I blame myself“, blaming yourself, in this case, for (allegedly) causing your family to be unhappy because of your choice of a partner.

    “Ultimately, I do agree with your answer in your response that I am feeling a mix of anger and anxiety. I have trouble with knowing what to do with these emotions when the only thing that feels like the right answer is to pick an argument with S. Or tell him what’s going on in my head, hear what he has to say and then immediately shut it down and have something else negative to say to him. This is toxic behavior from me & I know it has to be hurting his feelings. I want to stop, it is not fair to him. Any advice as to how I can combat feeling this way without needing S’s support? He is not the person that I should talk to if the negative thoughts are about him. This usually happens during the off hours of my therapist so talking to him in the moment would not be an option either”-

    – My advice: use the NPARR strategy that I use: * Notice when you feel like picking an argument with S, Pause (do not start an argument and if you already started, pause it. *Address the situation (ask yourself: what is happening here.. oh, my anxiety went up, I felt angry and I want to lash out at S.. not a good idea, not what I want to do. What should I say or do instead of arguing?).

    * Respond-or-not (say or do something, or not, as in say nothing and do nothing) and lastly, * Redirect (direct your attention elsewhere, think of something else, go for a walk by yourself, etc.

    It’s about placing a distance between your strong tendency to react a certain way to your elevated anxiety/ anger, a way that on the very short term feels right (although it isn’t), and choosing a different reaction, one that is constructive and which fits your values. It takes practice and self-discipline but it gets easier the more you practice it.

    Do you have a plan in regard to your visit, in terms of how to react to possibly being guilt tripped during the visit (“Guilt trips are a bigggg thing in my family. They have been used my whole life“, Oct 2022)?

    anita

     

    #426129
    Nala1234
    Participant

    Anita,

    THANK YOU. Truly, just thank you. Your advice and replies are so helpful. I will absolutely try the NPARR method. I am happy that I have another tool in my toolbox to use when the anxiety returns.

    I love what you said about the setbacks being apart of the process. It helped put things into perspective for me.

    As for the guilt trips with my family – my plan is to try and recognize when they are happening and in a polite way share with them how it is making me feel. This will be very hard for me but it is my goal to communicate my feelings with my family more and hope that they respond well. If they don’t, Im not sure what my plan will be but I know I need to hold firm in setting the boundaries I need. Wish me luck! Lol

    thanks again,

    nala1234

    #426155
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Nala1234:

    You are very welcome and thank you for your appreciation!

    As for the guilt trips with my family – my plan is to try and recognize when they are happening“- if you list, as part of your preparation, what your family members (and what family member: father, mother, who else?) said in the past that was guilt tripping, or what were their first words in this or that guilt trip, it can help you to recognize a beginning guilt trip once you are there.

    And then, prepare your response to different possibilities of beginning-guilt trips during your visit.

    and in a polite way share with them how it is making me feel“- if you do it around the dinner table, let’s say, where a few guilt tripping family members sit together, it may be a situation where they will gang up on you, telling you that you are imagining things or what not?

    Or if at the dinner table there is a family member who was also a victim of guilt tripping, that member may support you or join you in saying how it made him/ her feel?

    This will be very hard for me but it is my goal to communicate my feelings with my family more and hope that they respond well“-

    – (1) I think that you have a better chance of success (a guilt-tripper responding well and sincerely) if you talk to him or her one-to-one vs in a group setting. (2) They (he/ she) may deny that they guilt tripped you, or make light of it. In that case, it’d be helpful if you prepare a response before your visit, and insert some assertion there/ strength on top of the politeness.

    – those who guilt tripped you (and others) on a regular basis for years, maybe, as far as guilt tripping others, since before you were born, are not likely to respond well, particularly if it’s not something they ever considered to be a problem.

    If they don’t, I’m not sure what my plan will be but I know I need to hold firm in setting the boundaries I need“- figure ahead of time what would be a well-enough response on their part and how you’d respond to it, and what will not be a good response and how you’d respond to that.

    Maybe the following will help you: psychology today. com/ the high price of parental guilt trips. It includes: “Even a long-standing use of guilt to drive a relationship can be reversed. Parents and adult children each have a part to play in breaking the cycle. Adult children can: * Notice when guilt is used and what feelings arise…* Set boundaries….. Parents can:.. * Acknowledge past use of guilt… Clearly communicate wants and needs… Accept feedback… Respect boundaries: If a child says no to a particular outing, respond maturely to their decision….Find new ways to connect..”.

    In my case, my mother heavily guilt tripped me on a regular basis. I don’t remember a guilt-free life. It is only recently that I finally feel guilt free in regard to my mother. So much of my life (decades) has been wasted in guilt that was inflicted on me, guilt that was not called for. In my case, her guilt tripping me was part of her general coercive “parenting” which included (in my case) physical aggression (hitting me with her hands), heavily shaming me (hitting me with words and going out of her way to do so effectively) and guilt tripping me- all for the purpose of relieving herself from stress and feeling (temporarily) better, at my expense. So.. our stories are not the same, I am sure.

    Wish me luck!“- I do wish you luck and please feel free to post here anytime, before, during and after your visit and I’ll be glad to read and reply to you.

    anita

    #426347
    anita
    Participant

    M e R R y     C h R i S t M a S,    Nala1234  !!!

    anita

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