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April 20, 2021 at 3:07 am #378138AnonymousInactive
Good morning Anita,
It’s getting old me replying late, but I’m truly juggling with time. Though, I do not complain, as being so busy does wonders for my OCD 😀
As I see it, you as suggesting that I use sarcasm (well meaning) to try and pass on the message : “Hey! I’m 10 y.o. no more!”. The point is that I do use it quite often, and in some cases it does work, but not all the time. And besides, the moment that I hear my parents BS – pardon my french- I have to also check my OCD and try to be sarcastic and try not to scream in their faces. Which is, I find, to much to handle all at the same time.
These past days I’ve just avoided them. Trust me when I say, if I could financially, I would move out ASAP. Coexisting with 3 other adults, with so many differences can be a true challenge.
As for my birthday: I became 27 years old last Wednesday. It was an amazing day. My collagues and my boss bought me a present, as well as my parents and sister, I received a tone of happy birthday wishes from people and overall, I think, I am not so scared of closing 30 soon. I mean I am, but not as much I were when I wrote this post.
Plus, with the lockdown in Greece finally easing up, I have a lot of plans for myself that only a single girl can do. 😀
April 20, 2021 at 6:01 am #378144AnonymousInactiveGood evening dear TeaK!
Once more I am so sorry for my late reply, but my day has 24 hours and I need 28! 😀 But it has been for a good reason that I am busy, since I work in a place I love, I study the language I love and I get to work out and do stuff that empower my happiness and destroy my OCD.
now, with an expanded understanding, you believe something else
While I 100% agree. my mind doesn’t see it that way. It may not make sense to you but this is how my brain works, 2 sided. It is completely split. I often have agruements with my own mind. OCD again, plays a huge role in this I think. The only senario that plays in my head, is that I am a loser and he was right. But I do reckognize that this is huge ego talk and that I have to find a way and let my true self speak, not my hurt ego.
You’d need to tell yourself it’s your father’s programming, and there’s nothing wrong with changing your mind or making a mistake
I do believe this. It is not me. You know what happened 1 or 2 days before my birthday? I went back in time. I saw that when I met my then bf, I didn’t want to marry or have kids until a certain age, I knew I always wanted to do those things, but it wasn’t something I stressed or even thought about. My obsession and fear with having a family ASAP, started with my first visit to the OB/GYN. He wrongly diagnosed me with something and with infertility. I nearly fainted in his office. I started panicking about having healthy kids, because back in 2015, I lost my beloved 14 year old cousin, due to her been born with brain damage and severe health problems. In her case, it wasn’t due to a disease, but rather the OB/GYN’s mistake. Anyway… I still got this fear, even 3 years later with nothing but ultra clear test results, sonograms and multiple doctors confirming that I was neither sick nor infertile in the first place. P.S. I sued the doctor.
Many people in my environment believe that I suffer from a kind of PTSD after that wrong diagnoses. I used to hold babies and cry. I would enter baby clothing shops, look around and exist crying. I would offer help to strangers with their babies (NOT IN A CREEPY WAY, the mothers just happened to actually need help), just to be able to hold one for a minute or so. The same goes baby dolls from my childhood. Though I do not cry anymore and have been back to normal – somewhat – I still carry a picture of me as a baby in my wallet and fear that I will never be able to have my kids photos in there. But my therapist never wanted to adress this and I still think that it was negligent of her.
It’s almost like he needed every excuse so he can vent his anger. He was full of anger, but it wasn’t your fault, it was his personality. He might have been angry at his controlling mother, who knows, but he was never allowed to express it to her, and he never saw the need to deal with it in therapy, so he vented whenever possible. It’s easiest to vent at children because they’re weak and subordinate. My mother used to yell at me too, for tiniest things. It’s how they manage stress. But it’s terribly damaging for the child…
First of all, I am so sorry to know that you’ve been through the same things as I have. And you are absolutely right. Both my father – and I suspect your mother too – were too young to be able to check and control their emotions, or even find ways to let them out in a non catastrophic way. And also, our grandparents were too young for kids as well, so this was a vicious cycle. That’s why, I`d rather wait to have kids. I don’t want them to suffer.
The internal compass gets messed up… and eventually, we really might start making foolish decisions and act in weird ways, but it’s the result of our upbringing, not because there’s something inherently wrong with us – as our parents would want us to believe.
But the question is how do we approach the inner child as adults and how do we start fixing our compass? In my experience, being myself is the same as being silly, that no one will take my seriously and that being spontaneous is not adult-like. Let me know if you have found ways to address this in your own experience, if you would like to share how (if) you fixed your relationship with your mother, or rather how you respond to your mother behaviors as an adult . Without losing your soul.
good thing is that you can change, in a way that you aren’t susceptible any more to his fears and attempts to control you, but can be your own person and choose your own life and destiny. It’s not easy to do, but it’s possible, step by step, to reclaim the real, authentic you <3
Can I get an AMEN? ;D Thank you so much for all the kind and supportive words. I work better in life with words of affirmation and support. Too bad my parents understand and pratice this now. So many years the “dough” of my soul & understanding has been molded by scolding and fear. Here’s to more positive steps!!! <3
April 20, 2021 at 12:57 pm #378183AnonymousGuestDear Sofioula:
“As I see it, you as suggesting that I use sarcasm (well meaning) to try and pass on the message: ‘Hey! I’m 10 y.o no more!'”-
-no, Sofioula, I don’t do sarcasm, very bad at it, if I tried. When I suggested that you give advice to your parents, I meant it because they really do need good advice. And I figured, having read from you for so long, that you are more qualified to give them good advice than they are to give you good advice.
Happy belated Birthday!
anita
April 20, 2021 at 2:47 pm #378186AnonymousGuestDear Sofioula:
Merriam Webster’s definition of sarcasm: “the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say, especially in order to insult someone, or to show irritation, or just to be funny”-
– according to this definition, I was indeed not sarcastic when I suggested that you give your parents advice, nor was I sarcastic as to the nature of advice I suggested.
I was aware though, when I sent you the non-sarcastic post on April 12, that you will probably think I didn’t mean what I wrote, because giving advice to your parents will probably sound unreasonable to you, it being that they are your parents (parents are gods, in the mind of a young child, and a child doesn’t give advice to gods. Often a child doesn’t grow out of this impression of parents being gods).
Having read over the years what you shared about your parents, and it being that they have never been my parents, (and therefore I never looked up to them as gods), it appears to me that they really are not qualified to give you good advice. And, it appears to me, that you are better qualified to give them good advice than they are to you.
I didn’t think when I sent you the post that they will welcome or consider your advice. But you can try, maybe they will appreciate your advice, Maybe. If they don’t- don’t give them advice anymore.
It would be nice if they stopped giving you unappreciated advice.
anita
April 21, 2021 at 6:01 am #378217TeeParticipantDear Sofioula,
happy belated birthday! I am glad you’re feeling good, although very busy – but with the things you love and enjoy!
It may not make sense to you but this is how my brain works, 2 sided. It is completely split. I often have agruements with my own mind. OCD again, plays a huge role in this I think. The only senario that plays in my head, is that I am a loser and he was right.
It’s the inner critic telling you you’re wrong and blaming you. It’s the internalized parental voice. You’d need to develop the voice of the good parent, which is a loving, compassionate voice. It would counter the inner critic and enable you to forgive yourself for making mistakes or for changing your mind.
I saw that when I met my then bf, I didn’t want to marry or have kids until a certain age, I knew I always wanted to do those things, but it wasn’t something I stressed or even thought about. My obsession and fear with having a family ASAP, started with my first visit to the OB/GYN.
Alright, so your need to get married and have children young didn’t just stem from your parents “brainwashing” you and expecting it from you, but because you genuinely got afraid that your health would deteriorate and you wouldn’t be able to have children later, because you were wrongly diagnosed with a health condition you never had. In addition to that, you lost your beloved cousin a few years earlier, who was born with brain damage and severe health problems – also due to an ob/gyn mistake.
So your desire to get married ASAP (which you wanted from your previous boyfriend) stemmed both from your parents’ expectation, but also from your own fear that they may be right that you’ll really stay alone and die alone, due to a medical condition which doesn’t allow you to bear children. The diagnosis was like an alarm firing up in your head, because there was now a real danger that your parents’ “prophecies” would turn out true, so you better hurry up because what if they’re right.
Though I do not cry anymore and have been back to normal – somewhat – I still carry a picture of me as a baby in my wallet and fear that I will never be able to have my kids photos in there.
After the diagnosis, you feared that you won’t be able to have children ever. It was an unbearable thought for you, not only because you wanted to be a mother and experience the joy of motherhood, but also because it carried a horrible sentence for you: of staying alone forever and dying alone. The two great fears got activated in you. That’s the alarm – the double alarm – that turned on in your head.
And it appears it’s still hard for you to switch it off completely. There’s still a fear that your “grim destiny” might be possible, although not probable. The fear is present, but it has lessened.
Well, now you’d need to silence that ominous voice in your head by telling yourself that you’re healthy, you have no medical condition, and you have enough time to meet the right guy. Not just the first willing guy, but someone with whom you’re really compatible. For silencing the ominous voice, what you need again is the voice of the loving, compassionate parent – to assure you that you’ll be fine and there’s no need to worry about it.
Now it occurs to me that your father was actually not just the critical voice, but also the ominous voice, always worrying for the slightest thing, always having plan B if things go wrong, and believing that things might go wrong easily. You internalized both of those voices, and your misdiagnosis only strengthened them… so truly, you need a counter-voice, which is the voice of faith and trust that things will be fine, that you’re safe, that universe has your back.
Both my father – and I suspect your mother too – were too young to be able to check and control their emotions, or even find ways to let them out in a non catastrophic way
My mother wasn’t too young when she had me, she was 33, but she was the worrying, catastrophizing kind of person, like your father. So the ominous voice is very familiar to me, and I too internalized it…
But the question is how do we approach the inner child as adults and how do we start fixing our compass? In my experience, being myself is the same as being silly, that no one will take my seriously and that being spontaneous is not adult-like.
It’s the inner critic telling you that you’re silly. It’s what you’ve been hearing from your parents since you were a child: that you don’t know what’s good for you, that you make stupid decisions. If you’d only do what they tell you, you’d be much better off. And you believe it. Now it’s the time to stop believing it. To do that, bring in the inner compassionate parent, who’ll tell you you’re smart and capable of knowing what’s good for you.
As for being spontaneous, that’s one of the healthy qualities of the inner child that many adults sadly lose, specially if they’re fear-based, like your father and my mother is. If you fear life, you need to have everything pre-planned and under control (and you need to even have a plan B!), because you never know what might happen. And what can happen is only bad, in their mind. So they need to ensure that the least possible damage happens… but that also means the least possible joy can happen too, because they can’t enjoy life while waiting for a catastrophe to happen…
Let me know if you have found ways to address this in your own experience, if you would like to share how (if) you fixed your relationship with your mother, or rather how you respond to your mother behaviors as an adult . Without losing your soul.
Well, I stopped trying to please her, fulfill her expectations and live my life the way she’d want me to. Because of that, she’s very sad and offended at me. We barely speak. And we live in two different countries, so we rarely meet as well. In her eyes, I am a great disappointment and a failure. But I’m not upset about what she thinks of me, I can live with it. She cannot really make me feel bad about myself, like she used to before.
Thank you so much for all the kind and supportive words. I work better in life with words of affirmation and support.
You’re very welcome. And as I said, try to develop that positive inner parental voice, which will give your inner child words of affirmation and support, to counter your judgmental and catastrophizing inner critic!
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