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January 29, 2016 at 7:31 pm #94279AmyParticipant
No, I’ve never felt the need, or tried this hard to get away from someone. That said, I’ve never felt/been this trapped either. When I said earlier that I felt shackled to this person, I wasn’t exaggerating.
I think that if there were to be no legal repercussions, I would absolutely keep my child from him in a heartbeat. The fact is, if I do that I could lose my child. Any control I have over their wellbeing would be taken out of my hands and placed in the hands of someone who doesn’t know me, doesnt know him, doesn’t know my child, and doesn’t fully know the situation – the court system. I don’t know for sure if he would take me to court over it, but I do know that I simply cannot take that risk. I’m damned if I do, damned if I don’t and THAT is the hardest thing to accept. I’m constantly looking for loopholes or at least some sort of way out, and I HATE that I have to do this all because of his actions. I take responsibility for my part in bringing my child into the world with a worthless man, but I cannot control his side of the situation.
January 29, 2016 at 8:02 pm #94283AnonymousGuestDear Amy:
It is very obvious to me that you should have nothing to do with that man, the father of your child. It suddenly clicked in my brain: you cannot handle any contact with this man. And so it has to be no contact with him. How did I not think of it before?
If I was your doctor, this is what I would prescribe: no contact with the man. Whatever arrangement need to be made, let them be made so that he no longer calls you, so that you no longer see him in person… never to see him, never to hear his voice again. No contact. If you have to explain it to people, simply tell the truth, that you cannot emotionally handle contact with him, that it makes you sick, that it is killing you and will bring about your early demise. And you want to live, so, no contact it must be.
If you need a diagnosis to explain this, one I am sure can be found. I am serious, this is killing you. The fatigue, the hospital stay of late… the distress.
You must be protected, for your own survival and for the sake of your ability to be a mother, from any contact with the man!
It is YOU who needs to be protected from him. How, I don’t know yet, but there must be a way, a legally acceptable way to do so.
anita
January 29, 2016 at 9:08 pm #94289AmyParticipantThank you.
I agree with you 100%. However, so far no one (professional or otherwise) has given me any indication that this is even possible. My lawyer is essentially guiding me in the direction of getting him help so that he can be a “good enough” father to my child, because at the end of the day the courts ultimate goal is for the child to have a significant relationship with both parents, and if it goes to court, that will be the eventual outcome. I will still have to deal with him on some level.
The only thing will get rid of him is for him to make that decision himself, and sign away his parental rights. And I’m 99.999% sure that’s not going to happen. If nothing else, his parents won’t let him do that.
January 30, 2016 at 8:29 am #94306AnonymousGuestDear Amy:
I know that it is possible for you to have no contact with the man. And it is necessary for your well being. The distress the contact with him causes you is overwhelming and is damaging to you, physically. You may survive it physically but maybe not.
Please do give it some thought, how this can be achieved, have an open mind about it. Maybe it will take talking to him and telling him how important it is that you have no contact with him…? Maybe even he will cooperate? Maybe it will take talking to the court, letting them know you do and will follow court orders but it is (choose your words) killing you and you need to protect your own life and well being and you are asking the court for ways to cooperate with their rulings AND protect yourself. Explain to them that you cannot handle contact with him. Maybe the social worker (although when she told you she can’t help you, this makes me doubt her competence!)
Of course you have been overthinking this so much, because of your distress… if you can go back to square one (a Beginner’s Mind) on this, start with: need no contact with the man, and go from there…
From my personal experience I know one person with whom I cut contact eventually… every single time I saw her I regressed mentally, I became sick from mere contact, just hearing her voice, seeing her face, or worst: feeling the touch of her hand. Contact had to be stopped, completely.
Aim at this…will you, Amy?
anita
January 30, 2016 at 2:19 pm #94345AmyParticipantIf I spoke to him and said “hey, I want zero contact with you”, he would be 100% on board IF (and that is a HUGE “IF”) it didn’t interfere in the slightest with his one on one time with his child. In fact, his reasoning for not attending appointments and birthdays and concerts, etc. is because… And I quote; “I never want to ever be where you are”. I’ve spent the last 6 years on his back about his drinking and lack of parental responsibility, so I (sort of) don’t blame him for feeling that way. Every time we talk we fight, and every time it’s about his shortcomings.
The problem is, one of the main reasons I initiated legal proceedings is due to his sudden lack of interest in my child’s life outside his 48 hours of visitation. My case weighs very heavily on that fact. I don’t have any solid evidence of his drinking behaviour, so it’s really all I have to prove he has very little interest in the wellbeing of his child. I can’t very well go in there and say “I want him to be more involved with my child’s life, BUT, I don’t want him to attend any special events where I will be present… It just doesn’t make any sense, because I have been at all past, and WILL be at all future events. Then there’s drop offs and pick ups, phone conversations, etc. unless I have a restraining or intervention order on him, I have no choice.
January 30, 2016 at 4:51 pm #94358AmyParticipantSee? Completely stuck with no way out.
January 30, 2016 at 6:40 pm #94366AnonymousGuestDear Amy:
This is my input following your last post and considering all posts till now:
No physical contact with him, the father of your child, is a must. And it can be done.
I think it is perfectly fine for either you OR him to attend any particular event, school wise and even birthdays! In the latter, you can attend a first birthday party and he, another on the next day.
It is for the benefit of the child that you and his father have no physical contact, no physical interaction.
It is for the child own good, and I believe it wholeheartedly!
Please, Amy, consider this: his father is willing to have no physical contact, it is good for the child….let it be so.
Since you have no evidence that the father is abusive or even neglectful of the child, do not get involved in their time together, the visitations, that is. Let there be a mediator to arrange times and such.
Please, Amy, consider this. Let me know what you think???
anita
January 31, 2016 at 5:45 am #94383AmyParticipantWhile I have no evidence that will stand up in court that he is abusive and neglectful to my child, I do have my own past personal experience, what I have witnessed, and what my child has told me. So, I know what’s going on, even under the prior “supervision” of his parents (his number 1 enablers). I could not, in good conscience, hand over my child and not feel the need to monitor happenings. Impossible.
His time with her is destructive. Period. As far as I’m concerned the only purpose of his visitations is so my child doesn’t have a gaping hole in her life. I’m reluctant to use the term “father figure”, as he’s far from it. However, I could possibly accept the term “male presence”. Whether I like it or not, he is literally part of my child, and I believe that all children deserve to know their whole family and who their father is. On the other hand, he doesn’t deserve to have the privelage of being called dad.
Ugh! I’m so confused and scared. It’s a no-win situation. Either I or my child loses out. I can’t do that to my baby. The ex will have to kill me.
January 31, 2016 at 9:38 am #94392AnonymousGuestDear Amy:
i was too eager in my last post to you, telling you that no contact with him is a must: my goodness, I got a bit arrogant there!
In my experience, my own father visiting me after their divorce did nothing for me, nothing positive. So that “gaping hole” in your daughter’s life, well, his presence in her life may not at all fill a hole of that kind… and you being so occupied with that man, meaning less available for your daughter- that in itself may curve that “gaping hole in her life.”
It is tough to be stuck in a no-win situation but there is a way.. I know there is. This reminds me of reading someone in a prison cell asking; how do I free myself from this prison cell? And the answer was: no longer wanting out!
This brings me back to emotionally accepting a situation for the time being. There is calm in such a process, calm that cannot but help you see a way for some Win in this situation…
Oh, for me to understand more about the situation, what there is to accept and even if it is possible to accept some things: what is it that you think the father is actually doing against your daughter. What do you think he is doing that is harming her, specifically???
anita
January 31, 2016 at 12:19 pm #94409AmyParticipantId like to avoid specifics, if at all possible. This is a public forum, after all.
I think the fact that he is a drunk, and has actively told me on many occasions that he would support that lifestyle for my child by providing them with alcohol and drugs if they requested it is reason enough for concern.
I do appreciate every word that you type, and I’m glad you can see the complex nature of my situation. I don’t so much think I’m going crazy.
January 31, 2016 at 1:15 pm #94421AnonymousGuestDear Amy:
He said that? And meant it? Incredible, if he was not joking (not funny as a joke)- really? I can hardly believe it. Did he say it just so to annoy you, to irk you? Or did he mean it…?
My goodness… no doubt there is bad blood between the two of you, so much so, that I can see that no contact with him would be such a … blessing for you.
Please do post anytime…
anita
January 31, 2016 at 3:13 pm #94438AmyParticipantI don’t know if he said it to get a rise out of me or not. He definitely wasn’t joking though. The thing is though, I believe him. I know his history with alcohol and drug abuse. He began his daily drinking at age 15, and doesn’t see a problem with that. All his friends did the same. It’s his world, and it’s all he knows. It’s this kind of thinking that can be extremely detrimental to my child’s health and wellbeing.
My theory in all of this is that prevention is the key. It’s so much harder to undo things than to prevent them from happening (I’m not saying it’s easy though… Clearly) I don’t want my child to EVER think it’s ok, or normal to behave the way he does. It’s not ok or normal to threaten, intimidate or harass. And it’s not ok or normal to allow yourself to be threatened, intimidated or harassed.
I already see a lot of his attitude and mannerisms in my child. It hurts to see it. A lot.
January 31, 2016 at 4:09 pm #94466AnonymousGuestDear Amy:
What attitude and mannerism do you see in your daughter that you think she copied from her father?
anita
January 31, 2016 at 4:21 pm #94470AmyParticipantA very aggressive and forceful nature. Name calling, intimidating actions (getting right up in people’s faces, pretending to punch in the face, lunging at people), spitting, blatant defiance, and a lack of desire to be independent. Some of that is normal for 5 year olds still learning how to control their anger, but it’s all behaviour that he displays on a regular basis… As an almost 50 year old.
I do think there is something to that “nature vs nurture” debate
January 31, 2016 at 4:37 pm #94479AnonymousGuestDear Amy:
Do you think she sees this behavior when she spends time with him, that he is treating his girlfriend that way or his own daughter, calling (gf or daughter) names, getting in her face, punching lunging, spitting… etc?
And is it possible that she sees this behavior elsewhere?
How are the interactions between you and your daughter? Does she get personal, calm attention from you, private attention at home… does she share her feelings with you, seek you to comfort her?
anita
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