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  • #93253
    Amy
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    Hi everyone, I’m new here. I came across Tiny Buddha whilst desperately googling how to deal with emotional pain. I’m hoping someone can give me some direction and guidance.

    Here’s the back-story, and I apologise if it’s too long, but it is important to be detailed to connect everything together.

    I have a child with an abusive alcoholic, who was the result of a drunken one night stand. This is something I regret, and can’t seem to find any hint of forgiveness within my self. I battled with myself for the first 13 weeks of my pregnancy with the decision to keep or abort the baby. I didn’t want to make that decision, so I did nothing and hoped that the universe would make the decision for me. It did, and I now have a very healthy 5 year old.

    When our child was born, we both wanted to do “the right thing” and be a family. When our child was 4 months old we moved in together. Throughout my pregnancy and beyond, he continued to drink excessively and sporadically do drugs with his family and friends. He would often become extremely verbally abusive and threatening, and it didn’t take long for me to grow extremely resentful of him. I distanced myself emotionally, and physically from him because just having him near me literally made my stomach heave. Of course, the more I did that, the angrier he got. It was a vicious cycle. At the 3 month mark of us living together, he put his hands on me while holding our child and the next day I made plans to leave and with the help of a friend of mine, moved back in with my mom.

    After I moved out, I developed a drinking problem of my own (another thing I can’t forgive myself for)and would drink sun up to sun down, while my mom looked after my child. This lasted a year before I got myself together and quit cold turkey. That was 3 years ago next week.

    Anyway, until recently my ex has had visitation of our child fortnightly, under the supervision of his parents (it was an unspoken agreement, and his idea. He said it’s because he has no room at his house, but I think it’s so he can keep drinking while his parents look after the child). He recently informed me that he has a new partner and that they are currently looking for a house together. This threw me into a whirlwind of anxiety and I sought out legal advice immediately and withdrew visitation.

    We had mediation the other day, and under the instruction of my lawyer, demanded various counselling and other courses to be completed before we even considered visitation being reinstated. I felt really guilty. He looked really depressed and lost. I honestly don’t think he believes he’s in the wrong and it’s just me being a so-and-so. That’s where the guilt lies.

    So, after all of that, the reason I’m here is because all of the guilt, anger, resentment and pain has eaten away at me over the last 6 years to the point where I have developed an anxiety disorder, my health is failing and my relationship with my child is suffering. It is making this whole custody process 1000x more stressful than it needs to be, and I fear that this will be the final nail in the coffin for me. I don’t even know what is holding me together anymore. I need to do something to pull myself out of this destructive cycle, but I can’t do that until I let go of the past. How do I do that? How do I forgive myself? How do I forgive him? Should I forgive him? I just want to heal. I want to grow. I want to move forward in my life and stop allowing him to hold me back without him even trying. I fear that my bitterness and anger is going to haunt me until my final breath.

    #93256
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Allow yourself to forgive yourself. Accept your mistakes and your past. love yourself and think of your future and of your child, most of all. These are your first steps, I’m sure! After you let yourself to forgive yourself, you will start healing. I wish you all the best. I’m sure other people here will give you much better advice!

    lots of love and peace.

    #93306
    Cheaw Hon
    Participant

    Hi Amy! I know that everything may seems bleak for you now but what you should do is to move on. Don’t let the negative thoughts grow on you. Just like a inspirational quote I just saw on a tiny buddha ‘s page, positive people also have negative thoughts but we should not let those negative influences dwell in ourselves.Sometimes the darkness may seem to consume us, making us feel so hopeless and feeling like we want to give up. but remember, no matter how long a night is, there will always be a dawn, and a sunshine every morning.We should abjure the negative things in our lives and treasure the precious and wonderful things instead. For you, your baby is someone who you should spend the limited lifetime of yours with and someone who you should focus on . It’s good that you had got rid of your own alcoholic problems. What you should do now is to let go of your past and live in the present. This means that you should forgive him.Lord teaches us to forgive for he will also forgive us for our sins if we remorse.In order to let go of the past, you have to forgive him. it doesn’t mean that you have to let him interrupt your life again but a way to cut clear the relationship between the two of you. You should have a serious talk with him, tell him how you feel and let him know that you want to move on and live a new life which is better than before. If he doesn’t cooperate with you, let him be. The withdrawal of visitation should be able to stop him from interfering you and your baby’s lives.

    Do not waste your life to hate someone. Life is short, the time we have to love ourselves, others is already not enough, why do we spend so much more time of our lives to hate? Hating someone is so tiring. it’s so exhausted and painful. why do you have to make your life so miserable by hating him? He won’t even care.

    Live for yourself. Live for your baby. Live for all the wonderful things in your life. Life is wonderful. This world is wonderful. It’s so beautiful and you should spend more time to discover the amazing things that are happening around you. Look at the blue sky and see the birds flying so freely midair . look at the colorful horizon. Take your time to look at the flowers that bloom when the spring is here. Isn’t this world beautiful? God had created such a beautiful world for us! You should look at it more clearly

    The wonderful time may only occur as only a small part of our lives while the rest of it seem so shity . I understand it. that’s why we should focus on the wonderful part even more because it is so precious! Don’t let it slip away just like that. It’s not worth it. Just like a firework, it is not everlasting but it’s beautiful.Human’s life is not everlasting too. that’s why we should appreciate it and live our lives meaningfully with good purposes .

    Do you wonder why do we exist on this earth? Do you ever wonder what is the meaning of life? I had wondered. Well, we live for different purposes that god had planned for us. Sadly there are many people who live their lives in vain. You may spend your whole life fulfilling your materialistic desires but what do have you truly earned? when you breathe your last breath can you say out loud that you have no regrets in your life?

    No. We can only say that we have lived our lives to the fullest when we have lived our lives meaningfully.Everyone has different purposes. it may take our whole life to seek and found the purpose,but when you found it. you will have no regrets.

    Amy, I truly hope that you can find your own purpose in life. Do not live your life in vain for hatred and resentment . forgive . when you lose something, you will gain something. you have to let go. you should start off by being positive and take good care of your baby. Seek for god. He will help you. let him be your light in the darkness and lead you to the bright side of yourself and the world. Don’t let the anger and hatred consumes you. Love with burning passion 🙂 I hope my post can ignite your spirit and help to inspire you in order to live a better life

    #93310
    Amy
    Participant

    Thank you both for your replies. Has certainly given me something to think about.

    I think a large part of me is unable to let go, because this person will always be a permanent fixture in my life as my child’s father. I feel that the only way I will be able to let go and to heal is to completely cut ties – but I can’t do that. Legally or morally. I’ve spent 6 looooong years trying different ways to cope with everything that gets thrown my way. Even if I do forgive him, his behaviour will continue. The man has destroyed me, and continues to do so. I lost my home. I lost my job. I lost every single one of my friends. I lost my dignity and self-respect. I lost my health… I could go on, but this is turning into too much of a pity-party. How do you forgive that? Where do you start?

    I don’t want to hate him. I truly don’t. He is my child’s father, and below the surface, I know he loves him dearly. I used to be all about love and light. Now that blue sky is grey, and those blooming flowers do nothing for me but make me sneeze.

    Unfortunately I’m not a religious person. I wish I was though. Would be nice to have some faith to cling on to.

    #93311
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Amy,

    Deep down the father knows you’re not being a so-and-so, he knows that counseling and courses is the LEAST he should do so other people have a HOPE that visitation won’t be a nightmare for the child. Of course, telling someone they need counseling and courses is the same as telling them they are wrong, which is the last thing an alcoholic wants to hear!! So no guilt, OK? I mean what else is there to do at this point??

    The other thing is him being in a relationship and moving in together ~ it’s like he is the bad guy (he is, IMHO) but look, he gets to live a normal-ish life and move on as if nothing ever happened and as if he is OK, and meanwhile you’re the one with all the guilt, all the angst, all the stress. So yeah, I’d be pissed at him too!

    And listen, your child wasn’t the first accidental pregnancy and s/he won’t be the last. These things happen all the time, every day! The important thing is your child is here! And believe it or not, you are almost a third of the way raising him/her! It goes so quick, I know you don’t believe me, especially now! But the guilt is a useless emotion! Enjoy your child, and forget about the father unless it’s to make sure visitation is safe.

    OK, you Hang in There!!

    Inky

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 2 months ago by Inky.
    #93326
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * I don’t know who or why a reply above was reported for inappropriate content, if it was a mistaken click someone has made. I liked reading that comment, well written and thoughtful.

    Dear Amy:

    This is my input on your posts: it is okay to not forgive the father of your child. It is okay to not forgive anyone at all. There is some pressure to forgive… in the bible, in some psychotherapy circles… it is often thrown there: forgive! forgive! forgive! And often people try to bury their feelings of hurt and anger and fear so… to forgive when those feelings of hurt, anger and fear have valid messages that need to be heard and recognized, and not to be repressed for the often inappropriate Forgive! message.

    If you are consumed with anger, and intense anger (hate) toward the father of your child, and that hate is ruining your well being… it means to me that there is something for you to figure out, a message in that intense anger and once you see that message, the anger will weaken.

    Would you like to explore possible messages of that anger?

    anita

    #93432
    Amy
    Participant

    Thanks guys

    Inky:
    You’ve hit the nail on the head. A lot of the anger I feel towards him stems from the fact that I turned my whole life around to accomodate for this defenceless child, and I did it because I love him/her and want what’s best for him in life. I bend over backwards, often forgoing what makes me happy. Changed everything about myself for this child. He, on the other hand, has not changed a single thing. He is a child himself, dependant on others to do things for him, even though he is almost 50. He surrounds himself with family and friends who enable and participate in the same self-destructive and anti-social behaviour. If you so much as question his actions he will cut you out of his life so fast, it will make your head spin. Support what he does, however, and you’re the best thing since sliced bread. This is the part that concerns me about him moving in with the girlfriend. I don’t know her (he won’t let me meet her), but from past experience, it would make sense that she would be encouraging and supportive of his lifestyle, otherwise he wouldn’t give her the time of day. I cannot allow my child to be unsupervised in such an environment. This is the basis for me pulling visitation once I discovered what’s going on.

    From day 1, I was the one ensuring that they had time together. I drove her the hour and a half each way so that he could have his “rights as a father” (he has no license and refuses to get one – he’s never said it in so many words, but I presume it’s because it cuts into his drinking time). That’s 6 hours driving in 2 days every fortnight. I have given him every opportunity to have input into the important decisions in child’s life – daycare, school, etc – yet he refuses to do so. He tells our child he will attend special events such as concerts, parent-teacher interviews, birthdays parties, fathers nights at school, sports events, etc then backs out at the last minute telling everyone that it’s too far (he attended these things in the beginning, but it all stopped the second he got a girlfriend. Coincidence? Unlikely.) I felt embarrassed for my child in September when they had fathers night at school, and my child really wanted to go and be with friends and their dads. So, I took him myself. He got asked a lot “where’s your dad? Don’t you have one?” (You know what 5 year olds can be like. No filter.), and I watched him squirm not knowing what to say. He had fun though, and I’m so glad I took him, but watching him try and get the attention of all the other dads in the room broke my heart. It was at that point I realised that I am both mom and dad. His real dad is just some guy who pays me for the privilege of babysitting my child occasionally (lol).

    Yet, I’m the bad guy for not letting him see his child. I stopped bending over backwards to force the relationship and now I’m “alienating” him. I want my child to have a father figure in his life, but not this guy. And I feel guilty about all of this. I know I shouldn’t, and that just makes it worse. I fight with myself in my own head about it on a daily basis. It makes me anxious. It makes me depressed. And it makes me feel like I’m going insane.

    Anita:
    I’ve been spending a lot of time recently googling “how to stop being so angry”, and the number one piece of advice in every single article I’ve come across is to “forgive”. That’s what brought me here and question whether I even have a right to be as angry as I am. I’m not sure what message could be hidden amongst all that anger that I’m not seeing, but at this point I’m so desperate for some peace and calm in my life that I’m open to hearing and discussing and trying anything.

    Thank you everyone for your kind and insightful words. Truely. Please, keep them coming.

    #93448
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Amy:

    Well, it is good googling and finding the message of forgiving brought you here. The message behind your anger at the child’s father may simply be that your child is in danger with this man and you, protective of your child are angry and ready to fight so to keep your child from being hurt by this man.

    You asked for input to keep coming, so here it is coming: please do your best to protect your son from his father. Do not try to change the father, to force or even encourage a relationship between him and his child. It is better for your child to have no father at all than to have a bad father.

    Once you do all you can, accept what you cannot change. Also, you can’t be his mother and father, but if your child has a good mother, one good parent… than he or she has more than I ever had (not a single good parent).

    What your child needs is a good, calm mother. Whatever you do that distresses you, hurts your ability to be a good mother. If you, for example, try so hard to encourage this man to be in your child’s life, what can result is the kid has a BAD father in his life AND a DISTRESSED mother, so he loses on both ends.

    Take care of yourself, be calm, to to be a good mother. Your child is probably the only person in your life who loves you completely, unconditionally, looks up to you, trusts you, needs you so… be calm for him, prioritize, change what you can, accept the rest… and about forgiveness, forgive yourself for your mistakes so that you can be a calm mother.

    anita

    #93468
    Amy
    Participant

    You’re so right. I cannot change this man. I’ve been trying for the last 6 years, but still kept sending my child along with him in the hope that something will click. He got the best of both worlds; time with his child, and the freedom to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants it. Yet, I’ve worked my a$$ of trying to do the right thing by everyone.
    Woah…. Earlier I mentioned about him surrounding himself with family and friends who enable him. Well, just this second, as I typed that last sentence, I have realised that I HAVE BEEN DOING EXACTLY THE SAME THING! #epiphany lol

    I can’t keep his child from him forever. The law won’t allow me to do that. The best I can do is buy myself some time. The counselling, etc I have requested are just band aids (assuming he chooses to go through with it). The mediator said to me (privately) “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink”, and he’s right. He won’t change unless that’s what he wants… I’m pretty sure he doesn’t want that, and that’s something that I can’t accept. He wants his cake and to eat it too. If the roles were reversed, I would do all those things in a heartbeat (in fact, I have attended many parenting classes and counselling sessions off my own back, and without being required to by anyone other than myself). I would walk over broken glass if it meant I could regularly see my child – every time. Heck, I overcame my own addictions for the wellbeing of my child. It’s not as if I don’t understand what it’s like. I know it can be done, and that’s what makes it so hard to come to terms with.

    You’re right about being the calm mother. I am in distress, but I’m proactively trying to figure out ways to fix that. Is forgiveness the key? Something else? I just don’t know how to accept the things I can’t change. I feel so helpless and I’m tired of fighting. I want out of the situation, and unless he makes the decision himself to remove himself completely from our lives, there is nothing more I can do. I just want to be free of his shackles and be able to move on with my life. I want to be healthy and happy again. I desperately want to be able to work towards my life goals that have been put on hold for the last 6 years, and seem like they’re slowly slipping away to the point where I now question whether or not they’re still realistic. I need to find the silver lining in all of this. I need hope.

    Gaaaaaaah! Here’s that pity-party again!

    Thanks for being patient with me. This has been a pretty good outlet.

    #93470
    Seaisland
    Participant

    Oh sweet Amy,
    you are not having a pity party—you are going thru a very painful time and you will have to deal with this person in some capacity for years as he is the father of your beloved child.

    You got great advice from the above post–I have not much to add to their input except I agree-especially about not worrying about forgiving. Forgiving is overrated–especially when what you “need” to forgive for is actively still happening or likely to happen again. Forgiving YOURSELF is the priority. Take care of your own mental health, that trickles down to be healthy for your son.

    I do not remember reading that the father has made financial contributions, or provides insurance. Surely the ball is still in your court legally–I saw you volunteer to let him see his child but had to drive him back in forth because of no drivers license.

    I think you need to not feel guilty about forgiving the father and just look out for your minor child. The father will likely disappoint the child as he gets older and can see the situation for himself. If he does better you can always change visitation–but I feel you should fight for complete control of choices for your child.

    You do not know this new woman in your childs fathers life. She has chosen to involve herself with an abusive alcoholic with no drivers license—she doesn’t need to come into your childs life. Children that age love so deeply and freely. I understand you wanting to keep him away from his father except under circumstances-YOU feel are ok.

    Seaisland

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 2 months ago by Seaisland.
    #93480
    Seaisland
    Participant

    correction in my post

    I do feel forgiveness is important. Forgiving yourself is very important. I see so many post about people wanting to forgive others before they deal with issues within themselves.

    in your post–you come across as so caring and loving. What I was trying to say was in my opinion-it is hurtful to ourselves to try to forgive someone who is still actively hurting us, Still has destructive behavior that could hurt your child, Still has enablers who allow the person (we want to forgive) to not deal and start fixing themselves.

    Love and light
    Seaisland

    #93487
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Amy:

    I am highly motivated to help you in context of this forum. Not only because I would like you to not be in the distress you are in, but because of your child. Is it a he or a she…I’ll refer to your child as “he” unless you correct me. At five years old is about when a lot of hell broke loose in my own life. I have a deep understanding how painful it was for me- and is for any child- to be growing up with a mother who is not there for the child, too distressed to be available…

    You, Amy, may be the most motivated, well meaning, good person in the world, but if you are distressed, especially on an ongoing basis, your child is in danger. For it is not just about being physically healthy (you stated that about your child) but about being mentally healthy… and the two are not separate.

    This is my motivation, so I am here, available to you for as much and as long as you would like me, personally, to be here for you, as many posts as it takes. And always your choice.

    In your last post I see how occupied you are and have been with that man. He takes such priority in your mind, and that priority, unfortunately, places your child in a lower priority, unattended. Similar to the year you were drinking and neglecting your child… now it is not alcohol, it is that man that you are focusing on.

    The way I see it, your focus needs to shift and so your investment. It is not about that man: your life and the life of your child should not be about that man, it should be about you and your child.

    Till your next thoughts…
    anita

    #93522
    Amy
    Participant

    Sea island:
    Thank you for taking the time to comment. It’s means a lot.
    The one thing I give the father credit for is that he did provide financially for our child, every week for the last 5 years without fail. He would pay above and beyond what was required and helped me out with things like extra curricular activities, and school uniform, etc, meaning that our child had more opportunities. That is, Until the girlfriend came along. When that happened, he cut back to the minimum amount he could possibly get away with, which means the difference between my child having opportunities and not having opportunities. I’m on welfare – it barely covers the rent + utilities. If this is his attempt at punishing me, he needs to rethink. Just another thing to add to my growing evidence list of how much he doesn’t give a you-know-what about the best interests of our child. I used to call it “guilt money”. Now I call it “stay out of jail money”.

    My desire to forgive him stems from the knowledge that he’s not the brightest spark in the world. He grew up in the same environment he’s trying to push on our child: his father was never there during his childhood. He was always out drinking and doing drugs and sleeping around, while his mother stayed home and raised the children. There were no rules or boundaries in that household, as his mother used him as a companion, rather than a son.
    My ex started drinking daily and socially doing drugs from the age of 15, and has continued to do so for the last 25ish years without a break. There HAS to be some brain damage going on there, not to mention he once got into a drunken fight where he was beaten so severely that he died on the operating table for a minute or so and has several metal plates in his head as a result. I feel very sorry for him. And that being said, one of my greatest fears is that my child will grow up and head down the exact same path he and his siblings did. I wouldn’t ever wish my position in life on my child either. There’s a lot of stress in that train of thought, and I do put a lot of pressure on myself to be the perfect parent. I KNOW it’s unrealistic, but what else can I do? I have had it stuck in my mind that he just doesn’t know any better, and if I could just show him how it was supposed to be done, he would see the light and change his ways. Well, that didn’t work out too well for me, did it.

    As for the woman in his life, I haven’t met her, or know anything about her, but I have zero respect for her. Exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Maybe he won’t treat her like he treated me. He told me several times over the last 5 years that he only treated me that way because I was “difficult”. Maybe I was/am just being difficult?

    Anyway, as I have said before, I need to do something (anything!) to relieve myself of the guilt/pain/depression. I just don’t know how.

    #93529
    Amy
    Participant

    Anita:
    Thank you so much for your generosity. You’re a kind woman.

    Getting healthy, both physically and mentally, is my main motivation for being here. I know that what I have done in the past isn’t working. I’m looking for alternatives, but feel stuck in my current situation. He does have a lot of power over me and consumes my thoughts. You’re correct in saying that needs to stop. I 100% agree with you. I do disagree in the fact that my child is unattended. Yes, their priority is lower than their father, and they are suffering in some ways because of that. However, I do work hard to provide them with what they need physically and emotionally. It may not be 100%, but it’s something and I think I need to give myself at least a little bit of credit somewhere along the line.

    Earlier, I stated that I feel like I can’t move forward unless he is removed from my life. This isn’t an exaggeration. I wake up thinking about him, and go to sleep thinking about him (and there is nothing loving or positive in my thoughts, just in case anyone got that impression from that statement). THIS. MUST. STOP! Every time he, or something he did pops into my head, I get angry at myself. Then the daily internal battle begins. Every time he calls to speak to our child (which admittedly is less than once a week) my stomach drops and my heart races. Same thing happens when my child comes out with some of his mannerisms, or even mentions him. He has control over my life without even trying, and I hate that. I don’t know what to do or how to fix it.

    All I want is for my child to have a great life, and I am single-handedly ruining it because of a single grudge. I’m pathetic.

    #93545
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Amy:

    I am saying that the fact that you are being so emotionally occupied with your child’s father (“I wake up thinking about him, and go to sleep thinking about him”) takes you away from your child and yourself and anything else, by definition. I mean it takes away so much of your time and energy, there must be less than for your child and for your own goal of promoting your physical and mental health.

    What is obvious to me is that to just say: stop this occupation with this man is way, way… way easier said than done. But there is a way to do it and you can do it..it just isn’t easy or simple to do. And it is not instant.

    Did you look into psychotherapy or a self help group to deal with this obsession, such as Codependent Anonymous (in the U.S.)?

    It is possible that you focus on him and his life because it is safer to do so than to look at yourself, at your own life.

    This is tough, Amy: your feelings of guilt, your anger at yourself… I don’t know about your relationships with your family members, your mother- if there are things there that you are trying not to look at by focusing on the man.

    It is not just one thing, the situation is complex. I like the way you write, you are intelligent and have a good sense of humor, I think, AND the situation is complex, with layers and time…time that complicated things.

    How about a PLAN, an emergency like plan for the next month? How about coming up with objectives and plans of execution of objectives for the next month… This requires planning and time to work on. So like any complex situation, can you break it down to simpler things-to-do/ objectives, priorities….???

    anita

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