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  • #341186
    Joakim
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    I’m not a very good writer so I hope you can bear with me.

    I have felt guilt and shame about this for a very long time. When I were in my early teens, I spied on my mother. I did it so often that she found out one day when I was 14, and she became very angry. She asked me “Have you never seen women before?” I didn’t learn my lesson as I continued to peek a few times more the coming year, until I finally stopped. I read on the internet how wrong these feelings are to have for someone in your family, and people saying that people like me should kill themselves. I have never cried so hard in my life and I don’t think I ever will again.

    I don’t think I realized how fucked up I was until that moment. I am now 28 years old, and I haven’t been able to move past this. It’s always been a dormant thing that I beat myself up over. I can’t seem to forgive myself. I think it’s the main reason I have somehow barred myself from ever having a deeper emotional or physical connection with someone, since I feel guilty somehow even thinking about myself with a woman, It’s hard to explain. I also have Asperger’s so that likely plays a part in my problems too?

    I have a good relationship with my mom, I don’t think she ever gave this anymore thought. I sometimes think thoughts like “does she secretly hate me or do I gross her out?” even though I don’t think logically that is the case at all.

    Should I talk about this with her? About how sorry I am, to somehow put this behind me? Maybe that is a very selfish or destructive thing to do?

    I told this to a therapist some months ago, and she said that I should forgive myself, that it isn’t that big of a deal. I asked her the same question; if it would be wrong to talk to my mom, and she said “Since I don’t know your mother, I can’t say”. She said that I possibly have ‘OCD’ since I can’t stop thinking about this, and then we have barely talked about this anymore. I feel like my psychologist were telling me how silly of a person I am to have this as an issue.

    I would appreciate any input. Thanks.

    #341198
    Anonymous
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    Dear Joakim:

    When you asked a therapist if it would be wrong to talk to your mother about it and the therapist said that she doesn’t know your mother, and therefore she doesn’t know the answer to your question. I think her answer was a good answer, but I can go a step further and ask you a few questions about your mother so to get to know a bit about her, and maybe I will be able to suggest a reasonable answer to you.

    When you were 14 and you peaked at your mother not fully dressed, she angrily asked you: “Have you ever seen women before?”- I don’t understand her question- did she suggest that she expected you to have seen by that point other naked women- in movies or magazines, or having had girlfriends?

    anita

    #341206
    Joakim
    Participant

    I think she said that because of how weird the situation was? That my attraction to her was incomprehensible?

    I can’t say for sure.

    #341212
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joakim:

    You don’t know what she meant by what she said. Do you know sometimes what she means when she says things to you, and if the answer is yes, will you tell me what your mother told you over the years that you do understand?

    If you choose to answer my question, please take your time, don’t rush.

    (I am asking about your mother so to understand her a bit and figure out if it is a good idea for you to speak to her, and if you speak to her, then what is the best way to do so).

    anita

    #341220
    Joakim
    Participant

    I have issues interpreting people very much because of my Asperger’s to begin with, even now, writing here. One of the only things I am quite certain of is that she does love me.

    When I were 19 or so, I bailed on going on a trip to another country with my brother. I have a very hard time with big changes, and trips can be very hard. And since I was (still am, but less now) so afraid of conflicts and letting people down, I went to the forest near my home and sat there the whole night and morning so I would miss our departure. I did think a little bit about killing myself then, since I was so disappointed in myself and sad, but it wasn’t serious at all.

    When I came home later she hugged me and cried, since she thought I was attempting to kill myself. I genuinely thought until that moment that she couldn’t possibly love me.

     

     

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    #341230
    Anonymous
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    Dear Joakim:

    When you were 19 you came home from the forest near your home, and your mother hugged you and cried. This is when you figured for the first time that she loved you.

    This is what you wrote: “I genuinely thought until that moment that she couldn’t possibly love me”.

    In a child’s mind, his mother is a woman who loves him. If a child sees a woman who does not love him, in his mind, it is not his mother, but a stranger. When you peaked at her then, when you were 14 and younger, you were not peaking at your mother, really. You were peaking at a stranger.

    What do you think?

    anita

     

    #341236
    Joakim
    Participant

    I have often wondered why I began peeking to begin with, I was 10 years old I think. My mother were pretty cold and indifferent when I was little. That’s something I remember quite clearly. Could that be why I started peeking? I honestly don’t know. I don’t like to blame her for any of this, but I do admit I have thought along these lines before when I think about all of this.

    That I didn’t think she loved me until I were 19 could be partly because of that, but I also have trouble reading emotions and I’ve had a bad sense of my self-worth for a very long time.

    #341242
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joakim:

    “My mother were pretty cold and indifferent when I was little… I also have trouble reading emotions”-

    – she was cold and indifferent, there were no emotions to read.

    I don’t think you were born with a difficulty reading emotions. I think your mother expressed no emotions for you, so there was nothing to read.

    When a woman doesn’t act motherly toward her child, when she doesn’t display motherly affection for her child, the child doesn’t see that woman as his mother. Maybe he calls her mother, or mom, but he doesn’t feel that special closeness of a boy for his mother.

    At a certain age, a boy starts being curious sexually, so he sees a woman and he peaks.

    When she caught you peaking at 14, she asked you: “Have you ever seen women before?”, referring to herself as a woman, not as your mother. It reads like she didn’t feel close  to you as a mother feels for her son. In her heart, you were a stranger boy. No wonder then that in your heart, she was a stranger woman, and it didn’t feel wrong to peak at a stranger woman.

    It is possible that you were not at all born being on the autistic spectrum, but instead, you were born to an extremely cold and indifferent woman, and that arrested your emotional development.

    anita

    #341302
    Joakim
    Participant

    No, I definitely have Asperger’s, I have been diagnosed. It’s definitely something you are born with, but yes, different circumstances could help in bringing to light the issues a person with the disorder has. When I was diagnosed at 21 years old, I had so many ‘aha!’ moments of why I work and behave differently that the syndrome explained in great detail. Like puzzle pieces finally falling into place.

    Maybe the one of the reasons why I peeked is because I felt that my mom was distant when I was little, but I’m not certain I think that would help me if I decide to talk things through with my mom, blaming her. I have to somehow own up to what I did, I think. My dream scenarios have always been to be able to either stop thinking about these things over time and working on my self-esteem (which doesn’t seem to be working), or talking openly and honestly about all this with my mother.

    That’s at least my thoughts as of this moment.

    #341412
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joakim:

    Some of the proposed causes for autism are controversial, from the refrigerator mother theory proposed in 1943 to the vaccination theory proposed in 1998. The modern consensus is that autism has a strong genetic basis, but the genetics of autism are not well understood and the result of genetic studies as I understand them (I am not a professional) are not convincing to me.

    Again, I am not a psychologist or a doctor, but reading your description of your mother fits the refrigerator mother theory (you can read about it if you want in Wikipedia). There are current professionals who believe in this theory and even the popular Alice Miller believes in autism being caused by child neglect and/or abuse.

    As to your concern about your teenage behavior- regardless of the question of whether you were born on the autistic spectrum or not- you said it yourself:  “When I were 19 or so… she hugged me and cried.. I genuinely thought until that moment hat she couldn’t possibly love me… My mother were pretty cold and indifferent when I was little. That’s something I remember clearly”-

    -what this means to me is that for 19 years she behaved toward you as if she was a stranger to you: cold and indifferent. This kind of mother would be harmful to any child born to her. It is not controversial that young children (as well as other young animals) need their mother’s affection very much, and it is not controversial that growing up without affection harms children.

    So give yourself a break for peaking long ago. Don’t worry about apologizing to your mother about it, (she is not worried about apologizing to you for 19 years of zero affection, is she?)

    Let it go, Joakim, move away from the guilt and shame. No reason for you to feel shame and guilt for this behavior long ago. Make the best life possible for yourself now, and post again anytime.

    anita

     

     

    #342018
    Flower121
    Participant

    I hope someone can give me some advice on this.

    When I was about 10/11 I kissed my brother like they did in movies, I’m assuming I was just curious and experimenting. There was no sexual play just a little bit of kissing. This happened one time and never happened again. My brother is three years younger than me and I feel very guilty about what we did. Me and my brother have a good relationship now which makes me think can he even remember what happened. I feel like some sort of freak for doing this. Do I talk to him about it or shall I just forget?

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