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  • #94167
    Kman
    Participant

    Hi, everyone!

    This is my first post here and it’s pretty long, so thank you for taking the time to read this. I just need some advice and somewhere to talk about this.

    I met my old girlfriend on a dating app. I’m from Dubai and she’s from Spain but she was living in Germany at the time. Anyways I didn’t think much about it at first but we literally talked every single day, all day for a few months. She pursued me 100%. Getting me on Skype and etc.. so we started Skyping and eventually I fell for her and I knew she liked me so we started dating (before we met) and eventually she had a vacation so she travelled to Spain and I skipped a week of classes to go to Spain and see her. It was a BLAST. We went to theme parks, walked all around the city, took her out on a date. It was like that was where we were meant to be, time should have just stopped there. This was last April. Fast forward to June and I went on a family vacation to Venice so I got her a ticket to come with us and she did. Venice was a blast as well, we did all the Venetian touristy things like a gondola, and etc… then fast forward to August, she came to Dubai and she stayed with me in my house. 11 days and it was pretty good. Then on October, I secretly went to Spain for 4 days to see her and I stayed at her house. Her parents love me, her mom was extremely nice to me I felt like family. We ended up having sex and all that (she was my first love and I was hers). Anyways fast forward to December 22. She (more like her dad) bought me a ticket to go see her as a gift because I got her a ticket for Venice. My dad and I have been having some issues so he didn’t let me go. I was defying him and I went to the airport but I got a call from my brother and basically I pussied out and missed the plane on purpose. Then I told her I couldn’t do it and next thing I know she calls me to tell me she can’t do this anymore, she can’t do long distance and breaks up with me. That was definitely one of the most messed up days ever.

    In the beginning, after breaking up she started asking me if I’m ok and asking my friends. She told me it’s not my fault (although it’s kind of hard to be convinced when missing flight leads to break up of relationship). Saying we can stay friends, but then she got cold. She only answers me with one word when I talk to her and she told my best friend (mutual friend) that it’s making her uncomfortable that I keep talking to her because she doesn’t have the need. After that, I decided to stop talking to her. 11 days pass with no contact and she texts me late at night 11:30 pm Dubai (She’s 3 hours behind so 8:30 pm). Basically, she apologized for what she told my best friend and removing the pictures off her Instagram saying she doesn’t plan to take it off her computer. She also apologized for making me return my Christmas gifts, saying she couldn’t pay for it. (I got her and her family Christmas gifts and since I couldn’t go I sent them by mail after the breakup and she made me send them back because Spain has taxes of 120 euros on them and she didn’t want to pay for it). She also tells me she’s sorry for taking snap chats with guys and writing “my bae” apparently its a gay friend and she say she isn’t seeing any guy. I say it’s ok and I was ending it. She then goes on to ask me about university, tells me her mom asks about me a lot, tells me her summer plans and just talks a little then she says she has to have dinner and she goes.

    *Note: The day after the breakup I said I’m coming and in a way begged for her back and she said no she doesn’t wanna see my face or have my presence around her. She did love me, she use to write me books with our story, she gave me a book with out pictures in it where she writes how much she wants us to last and she loves me etc…

    Why do you think she randomly said that after 11 days of No contact? You think she doesn’t care anymore or she’s saying that so she feels better about the guilt? Or she cares?

    I’ve honestly been pretty god damn depressed. I wish I was joking but I’ve woken up to tears and slept to them everyday since we broke up. It’s been 37 days. We broke up last December 22. I’m also going through so many different emotions. One time I forgive her, because I understand that she’s not a long distance person and that’s ok. One time I’m so resentful for the way she acted post break-up before she contacted again after no contact (I didn’t expect her to be like that with me ever so I’m not resentful over being dumped itself.) Sometimes I feel extremely guilty for missing the flight and sometimes I also feel relieved because I had to beg her a million times over the relationship not to break up with me (everytime we got into any fight) so it was always at the back of her head. She was honestly an amazing girlfriend there were so many good things about her, but people aren’t flawless. I myself have many flaws. I guess I miss her, but I wouldn’t take her back if the long distance isn’t solved because I can’t deal with it happening again. She still follows me on Instagram, but she removed me off snapchat (claiming that it hurt to see my stories which were just me with my friends and pets mostly) and we’re still Facebook friends.

    ONE MORE QUESTION

    Weirdly enough I may be moving to Madrid for university. I’m doing this just for myself because I wanna move and learn languages, and Madrid is the easiest place for me in Europe and I love it. Should I contact her or not? I wanna give her mom the gift I got her because she was always very nice to me and she sent me her Christmas gift herself. Should I take her back if she initiates anything or na?

    Thank you so much for taking the time to read this.

    #94169
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Kman,

    At least you know NOW and not years down the line. It sounds like she is a changeable person and you are constant, so be happy the romance even happened at all!

    Also, at the end of relationships, the dump-er often calls us to see how we “are”. She is still attached to you on some level, but wants that feeling of control.

    I would go to Madrid, and let her know, “Hey, I’m here.” Even meet up with her (if you’d want to). But do NOT take her back. It sounds like she has a lot of growing up to do. But DO send her Mom the gift.

    Blessings,

    Inky

    #94203
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Kman:

    A key sentence for me in your post, the most revealing sentence is: “I had to beg her a million times over the relationship not to break up with me (everytime we got into any fight)”- this is very, very significant to my understanding.

    And this is my input: no person is perfect. The fact that you missed the airplane on purpose, under distress (you didn’t think calmly about it and decided to miss it when calm), does not mean … that her imperfections are gone. People often miss this point, as I have in the past. Nobody is perfect and it is not a reason to ignore another person’s significant … imperfections.

    When she threatened to break up with you again and again..”a million times” – this is a significant problem that she owns, not you. It is a pattern of behavior that is problematic and has nothing to do with you missing that one flight. See: a pattern vs missing one flight.

    If I was you, if I chose to communicate with her, I would shine the light on this very pattern on her part and bring it to the forefront of communication. I would ask her: what is (this pattern) about? Why do you do that… etc. And check and see how she reacts. Does she own her behavior, that is, does she take responsibility for it? Have insight about it? And… does she have empathy for you about how this pattern hurts you? Is she willing to change it?

    And you decide from there.

    Please post again:

    anita

    #94257
    Kman
    Participant

    Thank you guys for your advice!

    In response to Inky,

    Would keeping her mom’s gift for months until I’m actually in Madrid be sending a weird message?

    I just remembered this and I told her I’m taking a Spanish class at university because she asked what my classes are and she told me to ask her for help with that if I need it. I then told her to ask me for help with applying to university and she said she will. (I obviously won’t ask her for help) and she probably won’t ask me. But do you think this offer is just her trying to be friendly or is it genuine? It’s probably just her trying to be nice I’m guessing.

    In response to Anita,

    You’re completely right about the pattern, thank you for that I don’t feel guilty anymore and she probably would have done it somewhere down the line had I not missed that flight. There would have had to be at least a year of the long distance longer between us.

    I can show you guys the conversation we had so you can see it word by word if you think that’s better.

    Thanks again!

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 10 months ago by Kman.
    #94264
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Kman:

    Please do share the conversation you had with her, if you’d like: it will be interesting to look into.

    And you are welcome: pattern of behavior vs one time incidents is something to be aware of!

    Be back in a couple of hours.

    anita

    #94268
    Inky
    Participant

    I think she is trying to be friendly. If you ever meet up, give her the gift and say, “By the way, this is for your Mom”. The mom (at the very least) will be impressed.

    #94292
    Kman
    Participant

    Some information: She did send me her Christmas gifts by DHL and I sent her mine.
    Her:”Hey, Did the gift ever get to you? The people never contact me (DHL) and IDK how to contact them or anything so I guess it got lost or something. Also, you should know I got you off snapchat because I didn’t want to see your stories because I have feelings and they hurt so yea just so you know and you unfollowed me on insta. I deleted the pictures but I still have them on my computer I don’t plan on deleting them from there I’m not that ****. I just felt like I had to delete the insta ones. Just wanted to make that clear in case you didn’t know.”

    Me: “The gift didn’t get to me yet but that’s ok. It’s the idea that matters so thank you it’s really nice what you did.”

    Her: “Also thank you for buying the gifts, but my dad didn’t want me to pay the money to get it (Spain put 120 euros of taxes on it when it arrived) You probably spent more money on that and sending them. I’m sorry, but it wasn’t my choice.”

    Me: “It’s ok don’t worry, you spent a lot of money too. it’s never about the money. I have a folder of the stuff (our pictures) on the computer some of them are literally hilarious. Don’t worry ok I get what you’re going through I’m not upset or anything.”
    Her: “I think you are. I know a lot and I know that your friends are telling you to get me off Facebook and why don’t you unfriend me and you say that you don’t want to because then it will look like you care.” (How she guessed this is beyond me. She either knows me that well or something weird is going on)

    Me: “Are you a secret agent HAHAHA LOL” (I literally laughed hahaha)

    Her: “I’m just not stupid and Taha (my best friend) is probably calling me a fkin ****”

    Me: “Ya I did say that to them (that I don’t want to look like I care by unfriending her) but that’s not the real reason.”

    Her: “Like he says and a ***** and blahblah.”

    Me: “He thinks by insulting people you get over them easily. It’s just Taha who cares what he says. You know I don’t think badly of you.”

    Her: “I know, I don’t really care. I know it annoyed you that I took the pics of insta.”

    Me: “Are you feeling guilty again? (I really wanted to know why she’s saying all this)”

    Her: “Oh and also I’m not with any dude. Whatever taha saw or you saw is a gay friend the one I called “bae” Xxxdd.”

    My friend has her on snapchat and saw this and then told me (she removed me from snapchat and kept him)

    Me: “You’re not psychic how do you know this?”

    Her: “I’m smart. I have contacts”

    Me: “Ok, did I do something wrong? Honestly.”

    Her: “No. I just really wanted you to know because it looks like I’m this **** that has no feelings and only thinks of herself and that is over it and that didn’t care and **** you know. That’s not fair at all.”

    Me: “You’re not a **** and I never said you are so that term isn’t necessary. It’s just Taha trying to make me feel better but it doesn’t work I just get annoyed and Taha saw some guy and he assumed was some bae and ran and told me.”

    Her: “I know you never called me that yourself. I call it myself.”

    Me: “But is someone snooping in my conversation? I mean if it’s you that’s fine but what contacts?”

    Her: “To be honest, I guessed that Taha tells you a lot of **** and I’m not stupid. I know I’m like the bad guy now. So it’s not that difficult to come to the conclusion that Taha insults me like he did with every other girl when we had the group chat. That you get mad when I deleted our pictures together or that it’s not nice to see me with a dude and write bae. It’s just pretty obvious and I wanted to tell you myself because I think you deserve at least that.”

    Me: “That’s really nice of you thank you.”

    Her: “How’s uni BTW?”

    Me: “I did the same but it’s just time that’s gonna help you know what I mean so don’t worry I’m not upset. It’s really good!”

    Her: “Awesome, what’s your major?”

    Me: “Guess what class I’m taking for an elective.”

    Etc… now ill skip a little bit of just chit chatting back and forth and go to the interesting parts

    She tells me about her mom and her going on vacation and I told her that’s great mother daughter bonding time she should do it. So she says “She (her mom) asks about you a lot, saying how are you and all that”

    Me: “My mom asks about you too sometimes. That’s so nice. You guys are like my family.”

    Her: “What does she say. It’s a shame I couldn’t meet her. I wish I could of, she was always very nice to me.”
    “Oh btw something I didn’t tell you. I told Taha that I didn’t want you talking to me because I was really down. Been having some tough times and that was just a reminder of more tough times. So I didn’t really want to go through that. (She told him it makes her uncomfortable that I talk to her. This was 2 weeks ago.

    Me: “It’s ok walla”

    Her: “Just thought I should make that clear myself in case another person puts words in my mouth that I didn’t say.”

    Me: “Don’t worry about it honestly i know what you’re going through just as well so I’m not gonna get upset about it.”

    Her: “Sure”

    I then tell her I’m transferring to Europe and she asks me about my driving license and tells me where she plans on going for summer camp with a university and etc.. and she tells me if I need help with Spanish class I should ask and I told her if she needs help applying to universities she should ask me and she said she will. Then she said she has to go have dinner and see ya! This was yesterday.

    This is the conversation

    #94309
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Kman:

    As I read the back and forth conversation, very quickly it became clear to me that she was angry and you were calm. She was angry from the beginning and throughout: angry at you, angry at Taha, angry at herself… angry at a lot of people.

    You repeated to her the point: don’t worry, I (Kman) am not upset, missing the point that she is not worried about you getting upset, she is upset herself.

    She obviously told Taha things she doesn’t want you to know, and is trying to minimize the effect of what she said by telling you ahead of time that she said this or that. Obviously she expresses her anger to different people, you included, in this conversation. She expresses her anger at you to Taha and she expresses her anger at others… to you.

    She is probably angry at one or more of her “close” family members, have ongoing serious conflict with one or more family members, unresolved conflict that spills into her relationships and interactions with you and with everyone else.

    What do you think so far about what I wrote?

    anita

    #94344
    Kman
    Participant

    I think there’s a good chance she was upset at Taha because at the time we were dating she was a pretty good friend to him and him saying those things that she mentioned might have upset her. You think she was projecting her anger from other people on to me? Or was she angry with me herself?

    Why do you think she would have continued the conversation, though. She actively still likes the things I post. Today she liked my latest Instagram post but I pretend like I don’t see it and I haven’t followed her back.

    #94368
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Kman:

    She seemed an angry person, period. Not only at Taha. One place where I see she is angry at herself is here:

    “Me: “You’re not a **** and I never said you are…”
    Her: “I know you never called me that yourself. I call it myself.”

    She said that she calls herself that name. The above is very telling. Why does she call herself that word (whatever it is?)

    Also she said: ” It’s just pretty obvious and I wanted to tell you myself because I think you deserve at least that.” i wonder what she meant by “you deserve at least that”?

    You asked above why I think she should have continued the conversation- I don’t see where I wrote that she should have continued the conversation…

    There is a lot unsaid, unasked and unclear to me in that conversation you posted. You seemed like you were trying to be nice and supportive to her and she seemed unsettled, troubled, unhappy, suspicious, angry.

    anita

    #94446
    Kman
    Participant

    Hi Anita firstly thank you so much for your patience with me. I meant that she continued to have a conversation with me and why do you think that she did so? Not that you said she did.

    Also there has been an update. We talked today. She posted a Facebook Status saying ouch (in pain I guessed) so the conversation went like this.

    Me: “Hey Natalia”

    Her: “Hi Khalood!” My names Khalid but Khalood is like a nickname that’s typical.

    Me: “I saw your status and was just wondering what that’s about are you ok?”

    Her: “Haha I have cramps and my mouth is full of blisters or, however, you call it”

    Me: “Aww that sucks it’s ok put like a hot water bottle maybe that’ll help. Blisters are a side effect”

    Her: “Too Lazy hahah”

    She then sends a voice note saying where the blisters are and that it’s due to lack of some vitamins and explains it to me.

    Me:”I’ve never gotten one of those! Take the vitamins! I hope it gets better get some supplements”

    Her:”I get them all the time it sucks hahah I should lol. How’s uni and u in general?”

    Me:”I love my Spanish Class. It’s so much fun. The teachers hilarious”

    Her: “That’s awesome. Hahaha aren’t we all(Spaniards)

    So I then sent her a voice note telling her about how the teacher censored a presentation with a girl wearing a bikini.

    Her: “I saw it lol” (I posted the picture on facebook)

    Me: “She said kalba and it means dog in Arabic. So she told this girl Kalba and she got offended (the word has a different meaning in Spanish.)

    Her: “Hahahaha oh well, weird”

    Me: “I really like that class it’s cool”

    Her: “So like social life lol partying?”

    Me: “Good I’ve just been around with my friends trying some new things I’m going to a show soon and I joined this survival group”

    Her: “Hahaha cool nice”

    Me: “We go to the desert and try to survive and no I don’t wanna party hahaha not right now”

    Her: “Cool why not lol”

    Me: “Hows it going with you”

    Her: “Parties are fun. It’s good! I’m going to the Netherlands on Thursday till Monday to party. Carnival is huge there so ya. In Spring break I’m going to Cancun and I’m going out a lot meeting lots of new people hahahah also studying so yea haha”

    Me: “That’s so cool you’re gonna see all your friends! Are they excited the netherland ones”

    Her: “Yes super hahaha”

    Me: “That’s awesome are you going with your mom still”

    Her: “Where? To Cancun? Yeees”

    Me: “That sounds so cool! Enjoy”

    Her: “I will I wanna get brown in Spring Break and come all tanned hahahaha.”

    Me: “LOL you mean all burnt. Don’t forget to put sun screen!!! But ya you get pretty dark darker than me when I tan” (She always got sun burnt and I use to tell her to put sun screen and put it on for her when she repeatedly said no back when we were dating LOL and I use to put them in her bag all the time without her noticing hahaha she always thought she wouldn’t tan enough if she put it)

    Her: “hahaha exactly. I still ahve the tan lines from Dubai actually. They show very little”

    Me: “Natalia that’s insane”

    Her: “But you can see some lines. Those are staying with me forever lol.”

    Me: “You got burnt so bad hahaha”

    Her: “Dubai sun is killer”

    Me: “Ya screw the summer here but its so cold now. I went out in a shirt yesterday”

    Her: “Cuz I fell asleep hahaha” (how she got sunburnt when she fell asleep at the pool)

    Me: “I was gonna die its 14 degrees so cold” (Yes that is very cold here in Dubai LOL)

    Her: “That’s amazing so jealous.

    Me: “You fell asleep for hours HAHAHAHA”

    Her: “Ya lol that didn’t change. I fall asleep anywhere. It’s so annoying.”

    Me: “Keep it like that its funny LOL”

    Her: “hahaha ya I’m not changing lol”

    Me: “What’s that website where you watch Spanish movies with English subtitles?”

    Her: “Pelis24.com”

    Me: “Ok cool I’m gonna try to rewatch dragon ball in Spanish maybe I’ll learn or any show”

    Her: “Yalla (Arabic word meaning come on) good luck with that. Maybe one day we can have a super good fluent convo in Spanish.”

    Me: “We will I’ve gotten so much better”

    Her: “I can imagine, that’s good Khaloudi” This is another nickname. My family calls me Khaloudi. (My names Khalid) She use to call me Khaloudi before we broke up as well.

    Me: “I think so but I’m not pro yet. Did anything happen with modeling?”

    Her: “Cool oh ya but I’ve decided to wait till I’m 18 so that I don’t have to depend on my parents when going and all so yea haha”

    Me: “Ya that’s smart good luck with that”

    Her: “Thanks haha”

    Me: “I have to go I’m walking home so the internets cutting”

    Her: “Okaay was nice talking to you Khalid haha”
    “It’s getting better (Inserts smiley face and thumbs up)”

    Me: “It was really nice talking to you. See ya later natopato (I use to call her that before we broke up)”

    What do you think of this conversation? It seems she’s opening up more but why do you think so? And what do you think she meant by it’s getting better? We were very close before we broke up practically best friends just adding that in there.

    Thank you!

    #94476
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Kman:

    I think you felt elated when you posted the above and i can see why: in this exchange she did not appear angry or upset, but light and happy and even affectionate in using the nickname she called you before you broke up as well as bringing up positive enough memories of the time you two spent together.

    My impression from your posts and the two exchanges is that she is moody, changing while you are pretty stable. You consistently try to be positive, encouraging, loving in your communication with her while she sometimes responds in kind and sometimes she is very angry, suspicious and … unpleasant. Maybe she likes to travel and is happy when traveling and when she is about to travel and the last exchange is before her next travel. This would explain why she was in a good mood through much of the time she spent with you, because much of it was traveling, to Dubai, to Venice..

    Be cautious about your elation. is it not up and down with her, ever since the beginning- isn’t she changeable, from happy and even affectionate to angry?

    anita

    #94548
    Kman
    Participant

    I was very elated. I think last night I got the best sleep since the breakup.

    She is very changeable. In person she’s completely different but ya during the times of our relationship where we couldn’t be in person it was like a roller coaster. She’d be happy one time and some other time she’d call to have a serious talk about how she hates long distance or is feeling distant or along those lines.

    I’m not interested in getting into another long distance relationship with her and I’m sure she’s not interested either. Do you think I should just leave it at that and not talk to her anymore? I’m still kind of trying to understand what she meant by it’s getting better. I didn’t want to ask her since maybe it would have made things sound a little weird.

    #94562
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Kman:

    If you want to know what she meant, better ask her. And then she may have answered honestly, or not. Or she would have changed the subject. I prefer to ask so I get some information and then I evaluate the information I get. If I don’t ask, I can guess and guess and sometimes become hopeful about a possible explanation, a … favorite guess and all along I live in fantasy. Sticking to reality is better. It can be unpleasant at the moment, but best for long term well being.

    In making your choices about contact with her, stick to what you know, that she is changeable and is most likely to remain so. Can you handle such a person in your life? Are you interested in a relationship with a woman who is very changeable, all-loving like one day, and angry the next? This is not in your power to … make her stable.

    Post anytime, Kman!

    anita

    #97761
    Kman
    Participant

    Hi, Anita! I hope you’re doing well. I’m much better now thank God. I just would like to have your opinion and the communities opinion in general. I seem to keep going through emotions of being mad at her, to forgiving her to not and etc… I’m about to explain it to you. Can you tell me what you think?

    My ex-girlfriend was very sweet. She made me a book of our pictures for a gift, was so sweet to me and nice to me in front of her family. She made sure I was comfortable when I slept at her house. She was there a lot of the times for me and helped me out with some work I had. She had many good qualities. She once had a one-hour layover airport at the city I was staying in and came out to see me then went back in, so she’s great in many ways.

    But she also did many negative things. Whenever we argued she had a big temper. She’d insult me and then we end up insulting each other back and forth (I’m guilty and wrong of this too) but it’d always end with her saying she thinks we should have a break or break up or take a day off and me apologizing. She’d go through episodes every once and a while of being cold and almost ignoring me for a few days to a week. She’d call me to tell me she feels distant, and once told me her friend told her that she doesn’t think my girlfriend loves me (this was after a fight we had and she was venting to this friend). She insulted me to the point where I went from this very confident guy at the beginning of the relationship to this very insecure guy by close to the end. She uses to insult my personality. Saying I have “no balls” as in I’m a coward. She once told me in a group chat with my friend that she likes men that stand up for themselves and I asked if she thinks I’m like that in the group. She said no, that I’m “tame” which really upset me and it started a huge fight that almost led to a breakup (if I didn’t beg her to stay as usual) that was 8 days before the breakup mentioned in the previous posts you’ve helped me with.

    With all the almost breakups, her telling me she feels distant or depressed by sitting their skyping with me instead of going out and a lot of the mean things I lost my confidence to the point to when she told me she wants to meet Zayn Malik (my cousins are friends with his girlfriend). I asked her why and she said because she liked how he looks. That would of never gotten to me if I was my usual self but it did.

    Post-breakup she was taking pictures with guys and writing “bae” or putting hearts. She even told me she was glad we broke up. Later she came back and apologised for those both things saying it shows she didn’t care which isn’t true (according to her). As of now she’s removed every trace of me off her Facebook and Instagram. She’s been cold to me again. Like you said she is changeable (I talked to her once last time 3 weeks ago after I told you how nice she was being). She said she was glad and etc… While I was saying things to her like I still care about her and will always love her. Asked her to never be a stranger and stay friends. If she ever needs anything she can always ask. (Still true) but anyways we’ve become strangers. She didn’t even bother congratulating me on my recently born nephew (2 weeks old!)

    I get mad, really mad to the point where I don’t even wanna see her. But I can’t find it in myself to hate her. I still love her, but I don’t know how I should feel about her. A lot of mixed feelings are happening. I look at the things she wrote that were sweet or see a picture of us and I feel like she really did love me, but then when I remember all the negatives I mentioned above I really don’t know if she does. If she loved me as me or loved having a boyfriend because it seems like I was so much more into it and devoted to her.

    What do you think about her, honestly? Do you think she loved me or not really? Also her birthday is in 10 days should I say happy birthday to her or not? Part of me wants to but I just don’t know.

    Thank you so much for taking the time to help me out I really appreciate it.

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