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July 14, 2014 at 10:12 am #60846MDParticipant
I’m new and and quite excited and having some knowledgeable minds weigh in on my situation!
The background story: this guy and I have been off and on for a few years. We are, at present, just friends. However, we have a tendency to get in to minor disagreements that spin out of control and I think I have finally realized why:
During these arguments I’ll say “That hurts my feelings” or “that makes me feel sad” etc, and his response is always “feelings are just an illusion” What?!
He has done a lot of Zen study and claims this is where he gets his viewpoint. I can see not being a slave to one’s feelings, or not letting them take control, but to continually deny my hurt, or any other feeling, is this right?
He says he wants to work on better communication between us, but the moment I use the word “feel” he shuts down.
He is not immune to feelings himself, however. He says he gets angry when we’re talking on facebook messenger and he sees that I’ve started typing then stopped. I have no idea why this is so upsetting to him but he messaged “Everytime I see you start typing something, and then stop, I want to punch a wall.
I have to close your window so that I don’t see it, and you just pop up when you actually say something.”Another one of his statements was “Because “feelings” are really an illusion. They do nothing except gratify the ego”
July 14, 2014 at 2:26 pm #60872coolcorrianderParticipantI’m sorry but your friend sounds like a bit of a jerk. I do agree, that feelings are illusions because you choose to feel angry, sad, hurt, as well as happy, grateful, etc… But they way for someone that studies Zen, handling the situation is very poorly indeed. What’s he’s doing is dismissing you as an individual. Maybe there’s a damn good reason why you choose to feel sad, hurt and unhappy.
As we’re human, we can’t help to feel hurt, sad etc. Especially if we’re with the people that we’re close with. We tend to let all of the guards down and just be ourself.
He also does sound like need to attend one of this angry management class. Want to punch the wall because you stopped in the middle of your typing? I mean, come on!
Building a better communication skills start with LISTENING and I dont think he listens to you. You just to be honest with him and things will get better when people listen and acknowledge.
xo
July 14, 2014 at 4:56 pm #60879MattParticipantMD,
Sometimes when we study Buddhism without a teacher, we can gain a false sense of “feelings arent real”, which is a nihilistic view, afflictive. Such as “this is illusion, so nothing matters”. Had he been with a Zen teacher, that teacher may have struck him square in the nose, then asked if it wasnt real, why the fuss?
It sounds like your boyfriend is having a hard time understanding feelings. Consider a different approach to his nihilism, his “nothing matters, feelings are an illusion.” Perhaps “my feelings are important to me, and that does matter, and hopefully to you. You alive in there?” or “You might see it in the brain, but what about your heart?”. Said differently, if you want to try to build something with him, help him bring his attention downward into his chest where his empathy rests. “Out of your head, buddy, look at me, needin a hug here… where’s your warmth?”, arms waving.
Finally, consider that if he’s insistent, such as refuses to come to the plate emotionally, you may wish to throw in the towel and move on. You have a tenderness of spirit, dear sister, and deserve a partner that honors it, not denounces it. Its a precious jewel, and don’t just give it away to the first a-hole you stumble across. Make them show you they deserve your attention, you’re worth it!
Namaste, friend, may your wings find their updraft.
With warmth,
MattJuly 14, 2014 at 7:25 pm #60905tashaParticipantHe sounds quite emotionally UNavailable which is a red flag of get away now. A question you can ponder on is… if your best friend/good friend had a boyfriend who said these things, what would you tell them honestly?
Having been in your situation where a love did not validate my feelings, I can totally understand your position. But Matt is right, you should have a partner who will honor your feelings not denounce them. Its so hard when you are emotionally attached to them. But at the same time, you have to stand up for your own feelings and beliefs… because no one else will. hugs.
July 14, 2014 at 11:54 pm #60935The RuminantParticipantHello MD and thanks for being new! 🙂
I agree with everyone else, and at the risk of sounding redundant, I’ll just add another point of view. I notice something similar in his behaviour, something that I have experienced myself and have witnessed in other people. When there is more thinking than feeling, things get unbalanced. People start to approach spiritual practices from an intellectual viewpoint and miss out on the actual wisdom behind them. They essentially say and do all the right things, but without the mind-heart connection, or a balance between thinking and feeling, the whole thing becomes twisted. I think his practice has indeed become twisted.
Without this proper balance, he also seems to have problems processing emotions. To me it seems as if his brain is all about the analysing and the processing of information, so when an emotion arises, he has no capacity to deal with it. I’m basing all this on my own experiences, the kind of person I have been and my experiences with other similar people. I can relate to those who are more about the thinking, but luckily have gained some more perspective on it.
I would be someone who might get annoyed by watching a screen where someone is typing and then they stop and then I don’t know what is happening. The feeling of anger over not knowing arises. How I deal with that feeling has changed over time for me. Before, my impatience and the need to know might’ve caused me to tell the other person that it’s really annoying what they are doing, though I still would’ve understood that they’re not doing it just to upset me 🙂 Now, I let go of that anger much faster, so it’s almost as if it doesn’t even exist. It still comes up, but it is let go of, and instead I relax and think that I’ll get the message they are writing as soon as they are finished writing it. Or if they decide that they’re not going to say anything, then that’s fine. Though there are exceptions to this: when there is tension between me and that person, knowing what he or she is thinking becomes more important, and there is more anxiety over not knowing. Still, even after that, I try to resolve the situation with a bit of tact, which means not getting consumed by the sudden emotion.
So, I understand that anger can arise in different situations over the smallest things, but what happens after that is the measure of the person’s capabilities. We are not 3 years old anymore. There are so many points in between watching a screen where someone is typing and actually telling them that you want to punch a wall, where he could’ve dissolved the situation for himself and let go, but he didn’t. He may think that feelings are an illusion, but they sure have control over him and not the other way around 🙂 And that is what happens when you don’t accept that you have feelings and you try to detach from them: you become crippled in handling them. It’s like denying that there is a flood in your house. “Oh, no, that’, it’s not really there.” Yet it’s ruining everything and unless you deal with it, it’s not going to go away.
I’m really glad that you are questioning his sensibility.
July 21, 2014 at 2:24 pm #61430MDParticipantA belated thank you (seriously) to your replies. It’s funny, the day after I put this up, he contacted me with all kinds of apologies, including apologies for hurting me/ making me feel bad (he used the word ‘feel’ haha). I thought maybe I had been overreacting and that all was well between us. But once again we’re in another cycle of hurt feelings and miscommunication, so I’ve come back here to read your kind words and remind myself that it’s time to move on. Thank you.
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