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    Jeff
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    Some background (have posted previously): I divorced 3.5 years ago (13 years with 3 kids). About 4-5 months later meet a woman whom I started dating and we were together for almost 2.5 years. That ended in early July of this year. We were slowly moving apart the preceding 4 months and I just didn’t want to see it. During the first 1.5 years I would say we were very happy and making it work. We saw each other every other weekend (due to kid weekends) and we had a lot in common. Then about 7 months before we broke up things were very different. During the relationship we rarely got the kids together and I only met her kids on 3 occasions. In the end we weren’t a good match. I wanted more from the relationship and she wanted to just “date”. It was a very regimented relationship. We had certain day we could see each other and that was it. Her kids are teens and I wanted to see her more. I thought that a quick walk in the neighborhood (we live 5 minutes from each other), wasn’t intruding on her time/kids. For me it was a toxic relationship and looking back I lost all confidence and basically did whatever she wanted and left my wants “at the door”.  During this relationship my work suffered, I suffered depression and anxiety and was never fully involved with my kids (only see them every other weekend). But when with her I felt alive. She was witty, smart and sexy. Everything I thought I wanted. But when not with her I felt anxious and depressed.

    When we broke up I was lost, broken hearted and couldn’t stop talking about it. I did wear some friends out from this. It took about 3 weeks not to think of her constantly. I felt worse than I did during my divorce. Nothing seemed right and I honestly don’t remember much of this past summer. To make matters worse we had gone to the East coast on a vacation for a week (which I paid for) and she called it off 3 days later. When asked why she went on the trip she said “I wanted to see if I could feel the same way about the relationship as you did”. That hurt. She told me she wanted to focus on her and her kids and that is the reason for the breakup.

    So I have met a wonderful woman and we have been dating for 6 weeks. She is kind, affectionate, caring and genuinely interested in me. We talk and text daily (which wasn’t allowed in previous relationship).

    The problem is that I still feel this pull towards my ex. Not sure why I feel this way. I see that it wasn’t right for me or for her. On the whole things are much better: work is on the upswing and I am much more involved with the kids and life in general. But the littlest thing will trigger a memory and I’m back to being depressed. I am in counseling and that has helped. I have read that it takes X amount of time to have these feelings die down, but this was toxic in most ways. My thoughts focus on the good only and neglect to see the bad. ‘

    Writing this has been therapeutic. Just wondering what others have done to help lessen the thoughts of their ex

    #174193
    Anonymous
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    Dear Jeff:

    I just read much of your writing since 2015. Reads to me that the reason you think so much about your ex girlfriend is that she didn’t have much time for you. And that triggered your craving to spend time with her, a craving that was there in you since childhood.

    You wrote a few times that you were never alone, meaning I suppose that you were in a relationship soon after your divorce. And here you are currently in another beginning relationship. Thing is you must have been alone as a child. Maybe there were people around but you were alone nonetheless, unattended to. You craved attention then.

    I think that your anxiety stems from that alone and lonely childhood, and so is the craving for attention, time spent with you, as well as anger about not getting that time and attention.

    You wrote in a previous thread: “I have such a ‘hamster wheel’ mind that it never shuts off”- I think that this hamster wheel is fueled by anxiety and may have exhausted your ex girlfriend when she did spend time with you, causing her to need time alone, away from you (?)

    If you would like, will you elaborate on the italicized part of this sentence in that previous thread: “My divorce hit me so hard as I am goal oriented and failure was never in my vocabulary when growing up, so it still isn’t” ?

    anita

     

    #174213
    Jeff
    Participant

    Anita

    I would agree with your assessment of my childhood. I always felt left out. Be it due to being shy and not trying to participate in school or just awkward in social situations. That awkwardness has gotten much better and I am now comfortable in social situations.

    I have always strived for goals, and in regards to my divorce, it has always seemed that I failed that relationship. So I always considered marriage to be life long. So in essence I failed.

    I’m not sure about your assessment of my ex. I would see her so infrequently that I don’t think I wore her out. I do know that our goals were very different. I wanted to move past the occasional dates and dinners out. I would have liked to get our kids together more. At the time I thought I had all that I wanted, but didn’t get what I needed: love. Again an assumption I had was that after 2.5 years together “love” would be in our vocabulary (she never said it to me). Also most people who know me when I told them we broke up they would say “good” or “that is definitely for the best”. Now that is obviously my friends and family saying that, so a skewed group.

    #174217
    Anonymous
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    Dear Jeff:

    I understand. The input that I asked you about, regarding “…failure was never in my vocabulary when growing up” is about failure not being in your vocabulary when growing up, not in adulthood which is when the ending of your marriage took place. Do you have any input on that?

    Can you also elaborate on your loneliness as a child and whether you discussed it in counseling?

    anita

    #174245
    Jeff
    Participant

    Anita

    What I probably meant back when I wrote that was I wasn’t allowed as a child to make many mistakes. Parents were not overly strict, but expected success. An example was that my grades growing up were paid a certain amount for A,B and C’s. The catch was that the only way to get paid was all A’s.

    We have my loneliness as a kid. The prevailing thought is that I have never fit in in any specific group: smart kids, jocks, nerd etc.

    I guess the problem I am having now is that I am holding my ex girlfriend on a pedestal and I cannot take her down. Even though my counselor (who I have been seeing since before that breakup) states that during the relationship I was miserable. My friends say the same thing: I was never happy. But my ex girlfriend and I never talked for more than 1-2 minutes about getting together more. It was immediately shut down as “I can’t do it”.

    Not sure what else I can tell you right now.

    #174275
    Poppyxo
    Participant

    Hi Jeff,
    It seems to me, that following your divorce you almost tried to “heal” yourself with another relationship, almost to mask the pain of the divorce. & throughout this second relationship, you tried to patch things together, & it seems to me that you craved the connectedness that you had previously “failed” at in your marriage. Therefore, you became and still are, attached to her because maybe you feel like you don’t want to “fail” again? Divorce & relationships not working out don’t equal failure. Although this isn’t a nice experience to go through, life is a learning curve & sometimes things don’t work out with certain people. This is why communication in romantic relationships is so important, for both parties, to be able to talk about any problems that may arise openly & honestly.
    Getting into a new relationship when you still have raw emotions & unanswered questions within yourself is usually always a recipe for disaster as those emotions get transferred into your new relationship.

    #174385
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jeff:

    I think that you put your girlfriend on a pedestal not because of the happiness that you experienced in the relationship with her, but the promise of happiness to experience if only she paid more attention to you, if she spent more time with you. When we put a person on a pedestal, it means that we believe that person has the power to benefit us greatly.

    To make an unavailable person available to you, to make her available to you, to finally draw her attention, to have her see you, hear you … enough, is that an attractive prospect for you, the thought of it?

    anita

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