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December 28, 2016 at 8:54 pm #123862limbikanimariaParticipant
I am currently working towards remission for my bulimia that I’ve been suffering on and off with for about 7 years. I’m focused on working through shame that I feel towards myself right now and examining the reasons why I began to feel this shame in the first place. When my eating disorders started around 17 years of age, my mother made shameful comments towards me. For example, she noticed I had eaten a lot of food and asked “did you enjoy your binge?” She also caught me purging in my bedroom once and said “you can do whatever you want when you leave the house. No more puking.” To me, this implied that she didn’t care what I did once I was out on my own, didn’t want to deal with my feelings or disorder, and didn’t care for my wellbeing. She also once said, “all you’ve been doing is eating all day,” with no constructive comments to make afterwards, leaving me to feel immense amounts of shame about my eating disorders. I needed my mother’a support during these vulnerable moments, not to be shamed. I needed someone to try and understand the reasons behind these unhealthy eating behaviors, not to hear incredibly shameful comments. It really irks me that a mother would shame their child this way and not try to understand the feelings behind the disorder. My mother also had eating disorders around my age, so one would think she would understand. Perhaps it hit to close to home for her to deal with, or perhaps she has unresolved habits surrounding food of her own. Perhaps she was not there for herself during my times of need, so couldn’t be there for me and the best she could offer to me during those moments were shameful comments. I try to understand it from her point of view, but I also feel enraged that she was so incapable of helping me during those moments. Do I work through this myself and learn to just let these comments go, or do I tell my mom how they made me feel during those moments and still affect me 7 years later? I feel if I at least give her an opportunity to apologize, at least I could get some closure regardless if she apologizes for her actions or not. These comments are haunting me and I want to make peace with them and my mom.
December 29, 2016 at 8:29 am #123890PeterParticipantOur relationship to our mothers and fathers are very complex. Part of the path of individuation/becoming requires the coming to terms with our mother and father complexes. This involves recognising your parents as individuals with hopes and fear, failures and successes… as well as repressive of the idea of mother and father – nurturer, protector, teacher, discipline…
As an archetype, the mother points to nurturing, growth and unconditional love (not to be mistaken for unconditional allowing)
When we connect to this archetype energy in a positive way we learn how to nurture and nourish ourselves, we learn how to love ourselves. When we relate to the archetype negatively the mother becomes the “step mother” the negative self talk that we repeat telling ourselves how horrible we are…. Becoming unable to nurture and love ourselves.Our parents become our first projections of the archetype of mother and father as well as our mother and father. Part of the task of becoming requires that we separate our experience of our mother, as an individual, human, issues of her own and as the ideal we hold of the ‘mother’. Doing so we learn to become our own mother, our own nurturer. You appear to be well into this process
An apology from you mother the individual who failed to provide you the nurture you needed (but also must have succeeded as you seem to have developed the strength to overcome) may or may not help you but in my opinion is dependent on your mother’s personal growth. Sometimes we can only give ourselves what others cannot give us even a apology.
Anyway, you may find the book helpful ‘Shame and Grace Healing the Shame we Don’t Deserve by Lewis B. Smedes.
Forgiving does not erase the bitter past. A healed memory is not a deleted memory. Instead, forgiving what we cannot forget creates a new way to remember. We change the memory of our past into a hope for our future. Lewis B. Smedes
December 29, 2016 at 11:11 am #123917limbikanimariaParticipantThanks for your comment, Peter. I think I need to learn how to not attach judgment to the way my mom raised me. I also should focus more on the positive things she tried to do for me while I was growing up. I will check out the book.
Thanks again,
Megan- This reply was modified 7 years, 10 months ago by limbikanimaria.
December 29, 2016 at 11:47 am #123925AnonymousGuestDear Megan:
Your mother did not only not help you with your years of eating disorder, she harmed you with her shaming comments. Her lack of empathy and her hostility toward you, evident in the comments you listed here, indicate to me that her lack of empathy toward you and her hostility toward you (her intent, evident, to cause you hurt)- extended beyond her comments about your disordered eating, and probably is a good part of the cause you developed the anxiety that is in the core of your bulimia/ disordered eating.
In your last post you wrote: “I need to learn how to not attach judgment to the way my mom raised me.”-
If you don’t attach judgment to the way your mother raised you, specifically, if you don’t attach the judgment that it was and is wrong to SHAME you and hurt you like she did, then what will stop you from hurting yourself more, and letting others hurt you?
You need to judge her behavior as wrong so to keep such behavior out of your life!
Please do post again.
anita
December 29, 2016 at 12:31 pm #123937limbikanimariaParticipantAnita,
Thanks for your comment. I think I meant that I need to not let my mother’s shameful comments have power over me anymore. I should not judge her for making those comments because clearly something is going on inside of her that caused to react in that way during my times of need. If I don’t judge her, but rather observe those behaviors, hopefully it will help me empathize with her more. I think anyone could shame me, it’s whether or not I give power to them for doing so.
Thanks again,
MeganDecember 29, 2016 at 12:48 pm #123939AnonymousGuestDear Megan:
For your own healing, you need someone to have empathy for you.
Of course, “clearly something is going on inside of her that caused to react in that way during my times of need.”- there is always something going on, a distress going on in a person right before they intentionally inflict injury to another- but once committing the injury, it is the injured deserving and NEEDING the empathy.
If your mother went to therapy, it would be appropriate for the therapist to express empathy to your mother. It is in the context of the abused- the abuser, that it is not appropriate (counter productive to healing) for the abused to express empathy for the abuser.
I am all for her shaming comments not having power over you. This is why I am recommending you have empathy for yourself and not for the one shaming you.
You wrote: “I think anyone could shame me, it’s whether or not I give power to them for doing so.”-
when you were a child, you didn’t give your mother the power to shame you or not. She abused the power she had, as your Mother, as the authority figure in your life, as the person you dearly loved, so to shame you. It is not possible for a child to not take a parent’s shaming comments to heart, deeply.
I don’t think that now, as an adult, you can retroactively undo the shaming of her comments. You have to heal from those, over time, with help and work.
anita
December 29, 2016 at 1:12 pm #123947limbikanimariaParticipantAnita,
Thanks again for your reply. I am trying to decide if I should tell my mother how those comments made me feel. For instance I could say, “mom, I felt shame when you asked me if I enjoyed my binge.” That way, it is focused on my feelings rather than her action. This could give her the opportunity to apologize. If I go into this situation without expecting an apology, at least I gave her the chance and can make peace with it. I don’t expect her to apologize but I want a relationship with her. Giving her this opportunity to apologize to me could either help us grow together or apart, and I’d be prepared for either outcome. Do you think this could be healing for me?
December 29, 2016 at 2:20 pm #123951AnonymousGuestDear Megan:
I think that healing for you is to learn who your mother is, no longer seeing her from the desperately needy child, a child needing her mother and seeing her in the best possible light so to feel safe around her, but to see her as she is.
So, let’s say you tell her, “mom, I felt shame when you asked me if I enjoyed my binge.”
Here are a few possibilities for her response (not exact words, of course):
1. You are overly sensitive. I meant nothing by it.
2. I must have been in a bad mood. Can’t always be in a good mood.
3. You were bingeing like crazy! It was embarrassing to look at!
4. Are you criticizing me? After all I did for you….
5. Oh, I am sorry (and move on to another subject, or just leave the room).
Numbers 1-4 mean your mother is not the kind of person to support your healing. Keeping a relationship with her will hinder your healing.
Number 5 means the same as the above, but here is the trap: you hear “I am sorry”- three words said in a couple of seconds. And you think: Yes! She apologized! My mother is wonderful after all! I am so getting closer to her now! Such thinking on your part will be incorrect. An “I am sorry” or any response that does not include her asking you to tell her more about how you felt then and how it affected you since, is inadequate and meant to shove something she finds unpleasant under the carpet.
Would you like to compose here a possible answer on her part that will satisfy you, that a relationship with her can help your healing?
anita
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