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    Lucy
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    I’m having a difficult time reconciling some feelings of being used by someone I trusted.  Recently my high school boyfriend came back in to my life. We had a dramatic relationship in high school and I did not think/really speak to him for 15 years which I was fine with. Our connection has always been very very sexual – we have very strong sexual chemistry, but otherwise, I don’t think we get along that well.

    He reached out to me and we began talking. He seemed so different than his younger self – so kind, thoughtful, compassionate – that I decided I wanted to get to know him as an adult.

    Our conversations quickly turned sexual, but we couldn’t seem to help it. However I think we were both seeking comfort in each other as we had both been through very traumatic breakups. We seemed able to maintain the sexual component (over the phone and text) of our relationship and also a friendship as well.  I knew that I did not have romantic feelings for him but I know that I liked the attention/comfort.

    This went on for a couple of months. Then things shifted. He began to be a bit hostile with me. Blunt, rude, he would say things that were rude, he was aggressive in a nasty way, etc.  Our phone calls/communication slowed, but I didn’t really think much of it. We still had a very strong sexual connection and it was fun to have those conversations. I felt desired, sexy and frankly, I enjoyed them and I know he did as well.

    Occasionally I would try and discuss friendship with him and the state of our friendship and that seemed to aggravate him. He would avoid the topic or say everything was great. I would try and talk to him about women he could date, which seemed to agitate him and he definitely never wanted to hear about men I would/could date as that seemed to always piss him off. My assumption was that his attitude had to do with his wife cheating on him and the thought of someone he had been intimate with, being with someone else, much more than it had anything to do with me.

    He would tell me things like he cared about me, wanted me to reach out to him for comfort, that he wished he had known that we were home at the same time (we live in two different states so our communication is strictly phone/text) because I could have “moved in” with him during the time I was home and we could have “played house”. He would reminisce about high school and memories, etc.  But he would quickly go from saying these kind things to ignoring me/giving me attitude, being nasty. Again, my assumption was that he was just going through a lot and not sure how to deal with it.

    Then a shift happened. He stopped reaching out to me, I always had to reach out to him first. He didn’t ever initiate anything. So I would reach out to him to send him funny things, ask how he is doing, etc. and he would always respond. I thought that we had a friendship and these are the things I do with my friends.

    I let him know that I would be home for three weeks and would he like to get together. He said yes and of course he inquired about sex (it would be the first time he saw me in 15 years) but we decided that a platonic meeting was best, which I was happy about.

    We continued to have our sexual conversations and then the day I was coming home he asked me if I wanted to go to a hotel with him. I told him to let me get home and then we can talk about things. I told him that I could not see him that week (which was true) but could the next two weeks.  I asked him if he had plans the next two weeks and he said he had NONE.  The “assumption” on both parts was that we would sleep together. Then two days later I reached out to him and he was being SUPER awkward, very strange. I asked him something about sex and he was so strange about it and then that triggered a ton of anxiety and insecurity in me because I could tell something was up. So I called him because texting gets confusing/allows for miscommunication and he was at the gym (I didn’t know that) so he couldn’t really talk. So like a total weirdo, I let my anxiety take hold and I continued to text him all day, mostly about sex, and it was weird.

    So I decided that sex was NOT going to be a good idea and two days later I reached out to him to ask if he wanted to grab lunch or an early dinner when he returned from his weekend trip. He told me that “tentatively sounds good”, so I asked him if he all of a sudden had plans and he would not answer me. So I told him that I assumed I would see him on Thursday and he said “Sure” – I told him it was a yes/no and he wouldn’t answer me. Finally he text me back and said that he would “send me his schedule” when he returned, of which, he already told me he had zero plans.

    So the Monday he returned I text him to ask about his schedule and got no response which is SUPER strange for him, he ALWAYS responds.  So a few hours later I called and left a message, but got no response which again is SUPER weird.  That night he was liking things on my Instagram, so I know that he was on his phone.

    The next morning I ran in to him as I was leaving the gym (this was the first time I had seen him in 15 years) and he was excited but acting SO STRANGE. He was smiling, but kept looking down and fidgeting. I asked him about his schedule and he had excuses for everything. He also told me his phone was “acting up” so he “wasn’t getting messages.”  Finally I asked if he had plans that night and he said no, and I suggested dinner and he agreed, then said he was getting his phone fixed after he left the gym and would call me.

    Then a half and hour later I get a text that reads:

    “So that was awkward. It’s my fault. I went out with someone a couple times last week and saw her last night. I don’t know where it is going.”  So I text him and told him I didn’t know what that had to do with him being awkward and I don’t know what that has to do with us going to lunch or dinner.  He did not respond.  So, I called him and he text back and told me “I can’t get calls.”  So I told him I was starting to get upset and that I didn’t understand why we can’t sit and have lunch and that he’s more than welcome to invite her, I didn’t mind at all (and I would not have minded).

    No response.

    So at this point I really don’t know if his phone is broken, is he getting these texts (because remember he ALWAYS used to text back, respond, he never just didn’t respond), what that text has to do with getting lunch and if we have plans or not.  I have no idea what’s happening and am super confused.

    So on my way home from errands I stop at his house to ask what the deal with dinner was. This infuriated him. Big time. He was horrified that I stopped by and in hindsight I understand why. He admitted that he was trying to avoid me but I didn’t actually realize that.  Had I realized that, I wouldn’t have stopped by. I genuinely thought his phone was busted and he wasn’t getting my messages and I seriously just wanted to know about dinner. I would do the same with any friend that told me we were going to go to dinner but their phone was broken.  He was SO angry. It’s all he could talk about the entire time, he just kept saying, “I can’t believe you just stopped by.”  “I can’t believe you just showed up.”

    So I tried to talk to him about our friendship and ask what the hell was happening. I told him I guess I thought we were better friends than we were and maybe we just didn’t make good friends. He finally admitted that he didn’t want to actually see me because he knew that no matter what we would have so much fun and so much laughs and that we would end up having sex no matter what (this was NOT my plan, by the way). I told him that it was just lunch/dinner, that was it and that I didn’t care about sex and he insisted that it would happen and he didn’t want to “lead me on” because when I called him that day when he was at the gym he thought I seemed “fragile.”

    Then he mentioned that he didn’t know where it was going with this person.  (Keep in mind that he asked me to go to a hotel on Monday, which means he went out with her on Tuesday so, something is shady there).  I asked about her (because I would ask any friend about someone they like/are seeing because at this point I still think we are friends) and he just shrugged and said, “She’s okay” and I asked if she was fun, funny, nice, etc. and he said, “She’s not that funny…” So I ask her name and what does she do and it was the same name and job as a girl he was seeing about 6 months before but stopped seeing after a few dates because it “just wasn’t there” and he “wasn’t in to her as a package” and he knew “right off the bat” but because she wanted to have sex with him, he was in to it.  He also told me that after they slept together she told him she thought he was her soulmate.

    So I say, “Oh!  It’s the girl you were seeing before” and he says, “No, it’s a different one…” (which was a lie).

    Anyhow, I keep trying to talk to him, to ask him what the hell had happened to this friendship and why did he think we couldn’t maintain a friendship and he had no response for me. He just kept saying, “I can’t believe you just showed up…” He was so angry.  It was so horrible and awkward.  I told him this all felt horrible and I thought it was a bummer.  He insisted then that I wanted something from him and that I showed up that day to have sex with him (which I absolutely did NOT).  Finally he said, “I think this has run it’s course” and I agreed, he walked me out, told me I was a great person, we hugged and I left.

    Then I sent him a text when I got home that simply stated that I think we revert to being 20 years old when we are around each other and it’s just not healthy. That he thinks of me as fragile and needy and I think he just wants to screw me and use me and that it’s a terrible dynamic.  That I wished it were different, but it’s just not.

    Then I thanked him for the nicer phone conversations that we had early on. That I thought of those as authentic moments of friendship and that even though we don’t seem to work well in each other’s lives, I’m glad we had those genuine conversations.

    Then I wished him luck, told him to take care of himself and told him he’s going to be just fine in life.

    I sent the message and then blocked him on my phone and cut him off of all social media. I made the decision because I felt that he is not healthy for me and never will be.  This was all so messy, dramatic and unhealthy.  I feel used, disposed of, lied to and I feel that he really wanted me to trust him and when I gave in, he betrayed that trust.

    I’m disappointed in myself for putting myself in this situation which was so similar to the situation when we were 20 (we are 37 now). I feel disappointed that I didn’t realize what was really happening and that he didn’t honestly care about being friends or that I didn’t realize that he was trying to avoid me/blow me off. I feel embarrassed that I showed up at his home (I really didn’t think it was strange at the time) and I just feel upset about the entire months of interaction in general.  All the raunchy sex talk makes me feel sick and just as used as had we been together in person.

    I’m having a hard time reconciling these things and understanding what happened and how to let go off these icky feelings and move on.

    Any words/encouragement/advice on how to resolve this within myself would be so appreciated…

    #175201
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jolene:

    Your thread shows how important honest, clear, straightforward communication is, or could be. Without such, you end up confused, not understanding what is happening or what happened.

    He did not communicate with you honestly, clearly. So you were left with your assumptions, not knowing what was happening.

    You wrote: “Then things shifted. He began to be a bit hostile with me. Blunt, rude…but I didn’t really think much of it”- his hostility was his communication with you, not clearly as in telling you something like: I am angry at you because…, but there it is, his aggression. You ignored it, didn’t think much of it. At this point we have his lack of honest, clear, straightforward communication to you and you ignoring his aggression and the slowing down of his contacting you.

    You wrote: “Occasionally I would try and discuss friendship with him and the state of our friendship and that seemed to aggravate him. He would avoid the topic or say everything was great”- it was a good initiative, on your part, to talk about the state of your friendship. Consistent with his behavior throughout your share, he was not honest, clear and straightforward. He got angry. And so, you did not get information from him. Depending on how you define friendship, this may not have been a friendship at all.

    You wrote: “He would tell me things like he cared about me, wanted me to reach out to him for comfort, that he wished he had known that we were home at the same time…”- this is most unfortunate. So far he was dishonest by avoiding topics, not sharing, that is, dishonest by omission. When he told you those things he was dishonest by commission.

    I suppose you believed that he meant it when he said these things above, trusted him for telling you the truth, that he missed you and so on. You held on to these words of him and ignored his rudeness, and later, him avoiding you when you were back home.

    He wasn’t clear with you, dishonest by omission and by commission and you ignored evidence that pointed out to his lack of honesty, his lack of being reliable or trustworthy.

    When people do not communicate to us honestly and clearly, it does not mean we are stuck being confused until and if they make things clear for us. We can gather information from such people’s behavior regardless. When a person is rude to you, there is information in that. If a person does not share why they are rude, saying everything is great, like he did, doesn’t mean that everything is indeed great.

    I hope you learn all you can learn from this experience and share what it is that you can learn.

    anita

     

    #175313
    Lucy
    Participant

    Anita,

    I’ve thought about what you said and you’re right. I chose not to look at his negative actions or negative words – I chalked them up to the fact that he was going through a painful/angry divorce and was simply going through emotions. I told myself that if he wanted to talk about those emotions, he would. I would occasionally ask, but I trusted that because we were “friends” he would open up if needed.

    I can recall a time that he called me to tell me “thank you for caring…” it was moments like this which made me believe in our friendship. But looking back, during moments when I was having a “meltdown” he would offer support in that moment but then become distant for weeks after unless the conversation was about sex.

    I ignored all of these things because I did not want to truly believe he was just using me. I did not want to believe he was being deceitful and lying to me, just like when we were younger. I did not want to believe these things. Basically I did not want to believe that I had gotten myself in to this situation all over again.

    How can I cope with these feelings of disappointment in myself?  How can I cope with these feelings of being used and tossed away like a piece of garbage? How can I cope with these feelings of shame/embarrassment?  How can I cope with these feelings of jealousy (I’m embarrassed to admit that, but it’s true) over the fact that he told me we couldn’t have lunch because he didn’t know where it was going with this other person and didn’t want to mess it up with her/hurt her, but hurting me was of no thought to him?  That stings, so much.

    He was so angry and hostile with me that day. That truly hurt.

    What’s super strange is that even though I feel this way, I think about him and this new woman and I think, “Oh, she would be so good for him.  She’s SO nice, EVERYONE adores her, she has a great heart, she’s silly and fun and genuine…he should be with someone like that it would be so good for him, it would make him so happy to have that light in his life…”  Even though I feel this hurt and this jealousy I also feel that I want him for him to be happy.

    #175317
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jolene:

    It was clear to me, from your previous share that he was dishonest with you, but it is not clear to me that he “used and tossed (you) away like a piece of garbage?”-

    The sexual component of the relationship with him was never in person, not in adulthood. When you stayed in the same geographical location, he avoided getting together with you, so he clearly rejected the idea of having sex with you, in person. Can you explain to me where is the using  and the tossing you away like a piece of garbage?

    With better understanding I hope I can answer your questions in your last post.

    anita

    #175323
    Lucy
    Participant

    Anita,

    For 5 months we had phone sex, quite often. Very graphic, until completion, every time.

    The Monday I arrived home and he asked me to go to a hotel, I told him I could not see him that week, we had phone sex that night.

    Then that Tuesday he went out with the woman he had been seeing previously but didn’t have any feelings for.

    The following Tuesday was when we told me he had gone out with her 3 times in one week and didn’t know where it was going and that we could not have lunch because of that.

     

     

     

    #175329
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jolene:

    So you are saying that he used you for phone sex. But reading your original post, I understood that you enjoyed those sexual interactions.

    You wrote there: “Our conversations quickly turned sexual, but we couldn’t seem to help it”- we includes you, you couldn’t help it.

    “However I think we were both seeking comfort in each other”- again, we includes you- you looked for comfort.

    “… I know that I liked the attention/comfort”- here you use “I” – you enjoyed the attention and comfort.

    And so, how did he use you more than you used him?

    anita

    #175333
    Lucy
    Participant

    Anita,

    Excellent point. You are right, we were using each other, just for different things.

    I think perhaps then the question I’m asking is how do I cope with these feelings that someone felt okay being dishonest with me, repeatedly?  That you have shared intimacy, but he felt fine not being honest with me or using tactics like avoiding and ignoring or rudeness which I internalize as hostile and disrespectful.

    I understand that I did not recognize those as methods of communicating at that time, but now that I do, I feel like I allowed for so much disrespect, this hurts me.  What do I do with that?

    And what do I do with these feelings of jealousy and envy?

    Did I do the right thing by removing him from my life?

    #175341
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jolene:

    Yes, I believe you did the right thing by removing him from your life.

    Your question then is: “how do I cope with these feelings that someone felt okay being dishonest with me, repeatedly?  That you have shared intimacy, but he felt fine not being honest with me …avoiding and ignoring (you)?

    First by having a better understanding: a dishonest person doesn’t take a break from … his usual honest self so to be dishonest with you because you deserve dishonesty. A rude person doesn’t take a break from his usual kind and loving self so to be rude and disrespectful to you because you deserve disrespect.

    What do you think about this point I am making?

    anita

     

    #175343
    Lucy
    Participant

    Anita,

    Are you saying that that is simply who that person is and I just did not/chose not to recognize it?

    Why then do I feel he was so kind at first?  Why do I feel that he is so nice to others?  In the instance of wanting to spare this other woman feeling pain, wasn’t that a kind/thoughtful/honest thing to do?

    #175359
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jolene:

    Yes, I am saying that this is who that person is, dishonest and rude.

    “Why then … was (he) so kind at first… so nice to others?”- a dishonest person is not dishonest all the time. A rude person is not rude all the time.

    This other woman, he was nice to her too, like he was with you, at times. But if she stays in contact with him for long, day in and day out, she will experience his rudeness as well. If he interacts with a neighbor, let’s say, just a few moments a day, smiling, the neighbor may think: what a nice fellow! But if the neighbors become close with him, he will find out soon enough…

    Depending on what motivates him, he may be honest and kind or not. For example, he may not avoid an employer by not showing up to work because he needs the money. On the other hand, he avoided you because he didn’t need anything from you.

    When you evaluate a person, look at his behavior not only here and there but everywhere you can see. Sure, perfection is not possible, no such thing as perfectly and always kind and honest. Look for significant deviations from kind and honest.

    Those significant deviations, as you shared about this man are not reactions to who you are. This is who he is.

    anita

    #175401
    Lucy
    Participant

    Anita,

    I spent the evening thinking about this and trying to find instances where this was true and I believe you to be right. While I believe he believes he is “being kind” in his everyday actions, I can now see and felt ways where this was not true.

    I also thought so much about where you wrote, “Depending on what motivates him…” and I believe this to be the key to so much of this.  I am someone who knows the “darker” parts of him and therefore I did feel comfortable calling him out and speaking up when I felt something was not right.  For example, asking him what was happening in our friendship, or calling him out when he would label me a name (one time he “jokingly” called me a slut and I called him and told him to apologize…he was horrified that I did that) and I feel that even though I did not see his rudeness or avoidance as communication, I do “see” a lot of him.

    He is a man with a lot of ego. 5 months before we began speaking he had a 13 year marriage end suddenly (she left him to be with someone else) and it really hurt him and I know that this had an impact on his sense of self. When we would first speak he would always want to talk about memories of being young and would ask me for compliments.  And as our sexual relationship grew, he was always asking me for sexual compliments.

    When I think about him I see someone who presents who he believes his image to be.  He believes himself to be very funny, very sarcastic, a great lover, etc. And so he makes a great effort to present those things.  Because I don’t necessarily see him that way, I know that it had an impact on his ego and his need for me (motivation) diminished. While I didn’t ever criticize him I do feel that I was a bit more real with him than most people where.  When I think about how horrified he was when I stopped in that day to ask about dinner plans (when I did not realize he was avoiding me) and how horrified he was when I called him and asked him to apologize for calling me a slut, I can now see that he was so horrified because nobody ever speaks up to him. They give him a pass or just accept that “that’s him…”  He is not comfortable being around or interacting with someone who is willing to challenge him.  I don’t know what to make of that idea.

    With this new person they dated 6 months prior and when they first met she told him she thought he was his soulmate (and who knows, perhaps they are). He said he was not in to her, that it just “wasn’t there” and that he wasn’t “in to her as a total package” but I know that they continued to be friends (they decided to stay friends) and that she really really really really liked him.  They had both been through divorces where their spouses cheated, both have a child and have similar lives.  She is very stable, a good job, nice family, etc. – very different from his ex-wife.   She is someone who seems VERY happy and cheerful ALL the time and someone who EVERYONE seemingly loves.  She’s quite popular and she seems SO kind to EVERYONE.

    I mention this because I know that this is someone who can supply his ego with things I can not. Even though I am struggling with all that happened I do want him to have happiness in his life and I believe that this new person can provide him with that. I believe he struggles with depression/possibly a borderline personality disorder/possibly narcissism and I believe that having someone so happy in his life is what he needs and what makes him feel good.  He gets to be funnier than her (he thinks I’m funnier than him…in fact, he thought my voicemail message was so funny, he made it his and was always taking my jokes and sending them to his friends as his own), he gets to have a bit more ‘control’ because she likes him SO much and also she is SO beloved by everyone that he likes the idea of dating the “Most Liked” and “Most Popular” girl.  Everyone will like that they are together and his ego will like it as well.  She trusts him in ways that I knew not to and to her, he is perfect.  To me, he is not.  I know that deep down he knew this and I know that it hurt him.  He also knew that he was not the best lover I had ever had, although he was pretty darn good.  He always wanted to know where he fell in line with my other lovers.  To her, he is the best lover she’s ever had, he can wow and impress her in ways that he cannot with me.  Oh and this is silly but she likes everything on his social media, where I do not.  I like the things that I like, I don’t like them just because he posts them but I know in some ways, this bothered him.

    I was thinking back to a moment a few weeks ago when he was telling me a story of a girl we went to high school with. They ran in to each other at a college homecoming game, said hello and then went their ways. That night the girl we went to high school with and another girl who was also at homecoming saw each other. The girl we went to high school with asked her if she and him were dating, she said no and the girl we went to high school with told her, “Good, because as nice as he can be, he can be just as mean.  Oh and he was pretty good in the sack.”

    He told me this story and could not believe that she had said that he was mean.  He told me that he was so nice to her in high school, even going to see her in the hospital when she fell ill. I told him that just because he did that, it doesn’t obligate people to think differently of you, that how they perceive you is how they perceive you.  He did not understand this, or care for it.  Oh and no, it did not surprise me that she said he was mean, at all.

    I say all of this to go back to your point about motivation and I understand it better now.  You’re right, there was no motivation for him to engage with me.  He claimed to want me to trust and reach out to him and at one point he even told me that he wanted me to reach out to him for comfort and I told him that comfort can be good but that it’s very important for me to learn to comfort myself.  It was after that things took a big turn.  When I think about the things that motivated him to interact with me – fond memories of our youth (that I did not share), his need for me to lean on him (that I did not entirely trust and ultimately came to decide was not best for me) and a need for his sexual ego to be boosted (I turn him on more than he turns me on) – you are right.  There was no motivation.  In some ways I think he wanted me to beg him to have sex with me.  When I went to his house that day he did mention that he thinks I showed up to have sex with him and he did not believe that if we went to lunch or dinner that we would not end up sleeping together.  To be clear, I went to his house that day to find out about dinner plans and I 100% felt that we would just be going to lunch or dinner – sleeping together did not matter to me.  It never ever mattered to me more than what I perceived to be friendship.

    My motivation was to find a way to be friends because I believed that without romantic feelings, we could have. But I believe in some ways he WANTED me to have romantic feelings for him even though he didn’t have them for me. And he believed that I did, even though I would have to tell him all the time that I did not.

    What do you make about all of this – am I getting the right idea about motivation?  Or am I missing the mark?

    #175403
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jolene:

    Glad you did all this thinking. Yes, I do think you are “getting the right idea about motivation” and other things. Your thinking is leading me to the following thoughts:

    1. Self image/public image: a person sees himself (or herself) the way he wants to see himself and presents that image to others best he can. When others reflect back to him the desired image, the person is satisfied. When another person challenges that desired image, the person is dissatisfied.

    2. Desired image/who is this person…? When the two are the same, this is an authentic, honest person. When the two are significantly different, then what do we believe, the desired image or who the person is. A desired image is often not the same as who that person is. As we try to understand the latter, we have to filter through all the person says in favor of his desired image, see the bigger picture.

    Let’s look at how you view the other woman in his life: “She is someone who seems VERY happy and cheerful ALL the time and someone who EVERYONE seemingly loves.  She’s quite popular and she seems SO kind to EVERYONE…she likes him SO much and also she is SO beloved by everyone that he likes the idea of dating the ‘Most Liked’ and ‘Most Popular’ girl”- reads to me that her desired image was well transmitted to you and that you… almost believe that she really is always very happy.

    Notice this: you wrote that she treats him as if he was perfect (“to her, he is perfect”) and that she is most popular and “beloved by everyone”- isn’t it possible that she treats everyone as perfect, and that is why she is liked by everyone? And if so, she is not authentic, not honest, isn’t she? Communicating to everyone that they are perfect takes away from her credibility.

    It is also possible that she is not beloved by everyone.

    I don’t think you really know who she is. You know her desired image. Maybe he himself suspects her honesty as she worships him.

    Notice this: you wrote, “when they first met she told him she thought he was his soulmate (and who knows, perhaps they are)”- notice what you wrote in parenthesis: you are considering the possibility that they are soulmates, that she was correct, when they first met. You are considering this possibility as true even though you have concrete evidence that it is not true: “He said he was not in to her, that it just ‘wasn’t there’ and that he wasn’t ‘in to her as a total package'”.

    To be soulmates, both have to believe in the idea. He clearly does not. Yet you ignored that evidence.

    I hope you post again, anytime.

    anita

    #175405
    Kay
    Participant

    Hey I’ve never wrote in a forum before but I really could do with some advice.

    Met a guy two months ago from the off it was amazing. Three weeks ago I didn’t hear from him for a day or so. He then messaged me saying he had a panic as he realised he was falling for me and it scared him. I said I felt the same but we were having an amazing time and that was good right. After that it was wonderful again. Tuesday he asked if I wanted to go away for new year. He already invited me for Christmas with his mum and son. Weds I hear from him as normal, he said he was going for food with his son catch you later darling. I haven’t heard from him since it’s four days and nothing.

    I just don’t understand we are both 48 and it hurts that he couldn’t say why ?

    i texted and asked if everything is ok but no response. I asked to please just say why because it makes me feel I did something wrong.

    Please anyone do you think he ended it because he was afraid of feelings ?

    Or have I truly been duped ?

    Thank you

    #175411
    Lucy
    Participant

    But Anita, isn’t it possible that when he said those things to me, he just wasn’t ready for something so serious?  That time and them continuing to be friends brought out those feelings in him?   Perhaps he believes this now?  Perhaps he has done some growing and maturing regarding the pain and anger of his divorce and this is what he believes now.  Is that not how things work?

    What should it tell me that I saw him differently than he presented himself?  What information does that give me?

    #175415
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jolene:

    Regarding your first paragraph above, you are referring to the soulmate comment, that she believed early on that they were soulmates and that you had concrete evidence it wasn’t true? If so, then even if he later on believed they were soulmates, at the time she declared that they were soulmates, he did not believe that they were, not a long time after. She is not a fortune teller. They were not soulmates when she believed they were, and therefore… they were not.

    Regarding the possibility that “has done some growing and maturing regarding the pain and anger of his divorce and this is what he believes now”- his behavior toward you is again, concrete evidence that he has not matured. Also, his pain and anger predate his divorce, most likely and is not all about that marriage and divorce.

    anita

     

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