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September 11, 2020 at 7:09 am #366531ShannonParticipant
Wow. This is long. I’m sorry. Stream of consciousness is my only excuse.
This will probably infuriate people. It’s one of the reasons why I can’t talk to people about it. I’d be incensed if I was someone else listening to my whining about having too much.
Too much of what?
Well….everything.
I’m 47, married for 27 years as of this Saturday. My husband is the best (more on that coming up). We have 2 kids, 24 and 19, both of whom I love, one of whom I like. I haven’t worked in 25 years because….well, because I don’t need to. We have money. This is one of the problems. (Irritated yet? Just wait.)
Our house is large and in a very prestigious neighborhood although we know no one here after 10 years. The snobbery makes it super unfriendly. We moved from the aggressive north to the passive aggressive south,
We have traveled extensively – everywhere from a month in Japan to impromptu weekends in London. We cruise several times a year. Monthly, we have a meetup in a different city with a group of our friends. We attend shows at least once a week, pre-COVID. Losing this part of my life from the pandemic really affects me.
I’m bipolar but it has been fairly well controlled these last 4 years since I got off all the pain meds from my accident years before. I was high or sick for roughly 9 years and only my husband knows about any of it. Over the last few years, I have lost 101lbs. and feel so much better mentally but I’m ashamed of this now-saggy body. You can’t win.
My oldest son is also bipolar and raising him nearly broke me (the drugs were definitely used an an escape from that daily hell of an existence). He was one of those children who did terrible things – cops were called when violence erupted, psychiatric hospital stays were normal, suspensions from school were common. After puberty, he mellowed out so much that he’s off all his meds and is the most even-tempered, hard-working person I know. There’s still a resentment towards him that I can’t shake (my husband admits the same) though we try to hide it. It’s very hard to simply forgive and forget what he put us through but I know that mental illness and I know what it’s like. I should be better about moving past those bad years. I sometimes wonder if his issues weren’t piled on top of resentment I already had: we had a townhouse in the city and I had a job I loved. When we were *surprised* with him, we bought a house, I left my job and started a life as a SAHM that I never wanted to live. Who would I have been if not for him? How can I possibly think that of my own child?
My youngest is wonderful. He’s brilliant (he speaks 3 languages and plays 4 instruments), he’s kind and generous with his compliments and emotions, which I am not. He is also gay which, frankly, is terrific. We go to shows together, get pedicures, go on shopping excursions, fancy dinners – I highly recommend having a gay son! His boyfriend is really nice. The 2 of them have an apartment 3 hours away since COVID closed down their college. I miss him.
My husband….what can I say? He works from home so we’re together all the time and have been for almost 20 years. We talk and talk and talk all day, every day. For 32 years we’ve been together, there’s never been a day when we haven’t had a laugh or a great conversation. Silence isn’t a thing here. He does everything: laundry, dishes – anything at all. Unfailingly thoughtful, romantic, understanding, appreciative and supportive; that’s my husband. He’s a great dad, terrific lover and my staunchest ally. He bought me a car for Christmas with the big red bow – THAT bow from all the Christmas car commercials I always laughed at. He tells me every day that I’m beautiful and sexy to the point that it irritates me. On my weight loss, he can’t say enough about how proud he is of me. This, too, bugs me. That I have a handle on my mental illness and kicked painkiller addiction makes him effusive with praise.
He thinks I’m wonderful.I am not wonderful.
In light of ALL of this great stuff, I am bored, unsatisfied and almost incapable of processing gratitude. Infuriating, right? I know. It bugs me, too.
My manic side kicks in around people so I have very few friends (my husband is one of those people that everyone likes. I’m not.) I can’t maintain interest in a hobby or a project. How many times have I started something like cleaning out the attic that my husband had to quietly finish doing because I got overwhelmed and just avoided it? Too many to count. That’s an issue, too. If I don’t want to do a thing, I don’t. He’ll do it. SOMEONE will do it because they’re good, kind people who want to show love and support. I’m just…lazy. Why don’t I feel the same level of commitment to making their lives better? Why is this even acceptable to them? In all of these years, I have never cooked a meal that wasn’t greeted with enthusiasm and thanks. Even as little ones, my kids ate everything and said thank you. My husband insists every meal is delicious and this irritates me.
I am consistently told that I am beautiful, smart, talented, funny and loved. Why does this bother me? How DARE it be irksome? With countless people desperate for love and affection, who suffer abuse or isolation or selfish partners – how dare I be miffed that I have too much?
I don’t want to imply that there’s no honesty here. We talk a lot. A LOT. He’s the type to gently suggest that some things could use a little bit more of our attention to fine-tune whereas I’d say that I was ticked off and someone needs to fix it. He gets up first to make coffee, changes the sheets, vacuums, takes conference calls (he’s an executive Vice President at the HQ of a very large bank). I….read the news. Play a video game. I often go to the grocery store more our of boredom than anything.
I think I might be angry that he just accepts this behavior from me. I throw him crumbs and he acts like it’s a feast.
But, if I’m really honest, I know that this isn’t the life I was meant to lead. I was supposed to have a career, not kids, I was supposed to have adventure and not security. I was supposed to be so much more than just a pampered ingrate in a gated neighborhood with a Big Red Bow car.Why can’t I do something else, you ask? I got a degree, just for fun. I couldn’t get a real job after being home for so long and I simply cannot being myself to work with teenagers or retirees. My bipolar brain makes me inconsistent with commitments and a job, much as I want one, will go about as well as my volunteer efforts have. Read: not well. I’m one of those know-it-all, take-over-every-room kind of people and I cannot help it no matter how hard I try.
My mother got cancer and died at 55. She was such a good person who would have loved to have the husband and kids that I do. She would have reveled in not being broke or having to do everything without a hope of praise of thanks. What happens when the doctors tell me I have 4 months left and I realize what I have frittered away? How can I be grateful now and not irritated? How can I bring my forces to bear in a way that’s useful to others but not maddening to them, too? How do I figure out what I want to do and stick to it?
I’m a liberal, anti-trump atheist in the south so not every volunteer organization is the right fit 🙂 Ok, none of them have been.
I couldn’t stand me if I were those other people. How do I change that?summary: I’m an indulged bipolar middle aged woman with no purpose and too much time, good fortune and money on her hands and I feel so marginalized in my own life.
whew. Thanks for reading this, if you made it this far. Sorry for making you see red.
September 11, 2020 at 9:04 am #366544AnonymousGuestDear Shannon:
You shared that you are 47, suffering from a bipolar disorder. You had an accident years ago, took pain meds and got addicted to them- that aggravated your bipolar disorder. You got off the pain meds four years ago, your bipolar condition has been “fairly well controlled these last 4 years”, and you lost a lot of weight, 101 lbs.
You’ve been together with your husband since you were 15, and married him when you were 20. You have two children, 19 and 24. Your 24 year old, also having been diagnosed with a bipolar disorder, is now “the most even-tempered, hard working person”, but you still resent him for the “daily hell of an existence” that “nearly broke” you while raising him. “He was one of those kids who did terrible things- cops were called when violence erupted, psychiatric hospital stays were normal, suspensions from school were common”.
Living in that hell of an existence, you were “high or sick for roughly 9 years”. You resent him also for having left a job you liked when getting pregnant with him, and becoming a SAHM (stay at home mom), “a SAHM that I never wanted to live”. “I know this isn’t the life I was meant to lead. I was supposed to have a career, not kids”.
Your 19 year old son is kind and generous, speaks 3 languages and plays 4 instruments and he is gay, living with his boyfriend 3 hours away from you, you enjoy spending time with him when you do, and you miss him.
Your husband, an executive vice president of a very large bank, works from home, does house chores, is “unfailingly thoughtful, romantic, understanding, appreciative and supportive.. a great dad, terrific lover and my staunchest ally… effusive with praise”, he tells you how proud he is of you for losing all that weight, for having a handle on your mental illness and for kicking a painkiller addiction. He also makes good money which made it possible for you to not work in 25 years, live in a large house in a very prestigious neighborhood in the South (U.S), having travelled the world extensively, taking a cruise several times a year, having attended shows at least once a week, pre-Covid. Last Christmas he bought you a brand new car with a big red bow.
“I was supposed to have adventure and not security. I was supposed to be so much more than just a pampered ingrate in a gated neighborhood with a Big Red Bow car”.
You wrote about your husband: “He thinks I’m wonderful. I am not wonderful”: you have very few friends because your “manic side kicks in around people”, people like your husband, they don’t like you; you start projects like cleaning the attic, get overwhelmed, and your husband quietly completes your projects, you are “bored, unsatisfied and almost incapable of processing gratitude.. lazy”. While he works from home, he is also the one to get up first and make coffee, changed the sheets, vacuum.. while you “read the news. Play a video game.. go to the grocery store more out of boredom than anything”.
“I think I might be angry that he just accepts this behavior from me. I throw him crumbs and he acts like it’s a feast… summary: I’m an indulged bipolar middle aged woman with no purpose and too much time, good fortune and money on her hands and I feel so marginalized in my own life”.
My input: you wrote that you feel “so marginalized” in your own life. To marginalize means (online dictionary) “to relegate to an unimportant or powerless position within a society or group”. I can see how “a liberal, anti-trump atheist in the south” is marginalized. In the context of your family, I ask myself, how are you being marginalized and who is marginalizing you.
You described a difficult life and a difficult marriage, although affluent: suffering from a mental illness, having been addicted to pain killers, having been obese, suffering years of hell raising a bipolar son, and yet you say that you “have too much” (in the title of your thread), and that you are “whining about having too much. Too much of what? Well… everything”-
– but suffering from a mental illness, raising a son who also suffered from the same illness and who was violent, being addicted to drugs, being obese, then coming off drugs and losing 101 pounds, that’s too much of some bad things, not good things.
I remember a former friend years ago, a pharmacist who worked in Southern California, serving an affluent population, she told me how she fills in prescriptions of anti-depressants to so many wealthy women. And of course, there are so many examples of people wealthier than you, who traveled the world even more than you, etc., who chose death over that affluent life.
You described your husband as a saint, a saintly husband, and being a fellow atheist, I do not believe in saints. The only exception to his sainthood, from your share, seems to be his lack of empathy for your older son, a lack of empathy that he shares with you, from what I gathered.
Back to the concept of you being marginalized in your own life, can you elaborate on that?
anita
September 11, 2020 at 5:28 pm #366588AnonymousInactiveYou wrote with great honesty and basically laid your soul bare. I admire that you didn’t sugar coat your true feelings. You feel no purpose to your life and aren’t really fulfilled or happy. Your older child sounds like someone you might disdain? Yet your younger son is put on a pedestal and is perhaps the golden child? I am going to suggest a couple of books. The Happiness Trap is one and The Road Less Traveled is another. I wonder if your husband is so overly giving and doing because he feels he has to or must tap dance faster and faster to keep all the balls spinning in the air? Maybe your younger son has learned this same trait? Some people call it walking on eggshells, or running in a hamster wheel, always trying to keep the other person in nice mode so the fire dragon stays hidden. It sounds like husband has had a lot to deal with and it sounds like he tries very hard to make you happy. Sometimes spouses do all this juggling because their spouse is difficult to live with, be around, deal with. It’s easier to attempt to make them happy and be the so called saint, than to not. It sounds like maybe you are going through an existential crisis by what you have written.
September 14, 2020 at 12:07 pm #366706ShannonParticipantThank you, thank you, thank you for not thinking I’m terrible. In this day and age (specifically this day and age) when so many people are suffering so much because of illness, loss of jobs, etc it’s hard to complain about my life. I understand that, which is why I don’t talk about it. I thank you for the book suggestions as well. Your assessment of my relationships is very accurate although I despair to think that they truly feel that way. To be fearful of upsetting the person who thinks you to be so wonderful seems cruel irony.
The marginalized feeling I think comes from not having a career or a passion, mostly. I am a failure in that regard with my family. My brother and I were set to fly to visit my grandmother next month. She called and told me that she was petrified of the virus, the danger was too great to contract it. Could I please tell *my brother* to stay home? But while *I’m* there she has errands for me to run for her. If that doesn’t explain your worth to someone, I don’t know what does.A neighbor asked me what I do. I told her I didn’t have a career, I stayed home. Yes, she said, what what do you DO?
I don’t know the answer to that.
So much is tied up in our titles – manager, Doctor, accountant, nursing home volunteer – and stay at home mom is a good one but it doesn’t pass when the baby moves out!What do I do to earn my spot here? How may lives have been cut short which deny us all the benefit of the years they would have had? If I’m still here, shouldn’t I at least try to help fill that gap?
“Marginalized” happens in little things you never notice until they become One Big Thing. I don’t want to___ so someone else does it. I dislike ____ so someone else does it. A thoughtful kindness is doing _____ before it needs to be done. Pretty soon, you’re not needed for anything. Here is where you live now: the periphery when nothing depends solely on you. Everything you do is easily replaced. There is no ME-sized hole in the world that only I can fill.
What do I contribute? How do I find something that my brain can do that adds value to my existence? Where does the happiness come from? (I’m not expecting answers!) These existential crises are joked about so often but, in reality, they are weighty things. They have a physical effect, tangible symptoms (weeping, weight gain, nail-biting) but we’ve all agreed they’re only in our own heads. Billions of people with countless similar-yet-unanswerable thoughts. Mine aren’t any different but these exact circumstances are unique to me.
So, maybe I should just be asking one: where do I start?
Again, you have my deep appreciation for your time and consideration!
September 14, 2020 at 1:21 pm #366718AnonymousGuestDear Shannon:
What you brought up takes more than a single exchange between us to figure it out, it will take a longer exchange. If you are willing, let’s make it happen-
You suggested that maybe you are “fearful upsetting the person who thinks you to be so wonderful”, meaning you are afraid to upset your husband who keeps telling you in so many ways, that you are wonderful.
In your response to the other member’s post, you seem to agree with the member, that your husband may be “walking on eggshells, running in a hamster wheel, always trying to keep (you) in nice mode sot he fire dragon stays hidden… juggling because (you are) difficult to live with”- meaning, your husband might be trying to keep your bipolar “dragon” hidden by doing the household chores, by finishing the projects you start and then abandon, etc.
But if he is walking on eggshells, running in a hamster wheel, juggling, trying to keep a fire dragon hidden, and you are “miserable…suffer tangible symptoms (weeping, weight gain, nail-biting)”-
– then how is it possible that he, being stressed, walking on eggshells and running in a hamster wheel, and you, being miserable and anxious, have endless great conversations and laughter every single day (“We talk and talk and talk all day, every day. For 32 years.. there’s never been a day we haven’t had a laugh or a great conversation”)???
anita
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