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July 23, 2015 at 2:02 pm #80336AnonymousInactive
Anita,
I’m a passionate person. And this was a passionate (but also destructive) romance. Of course I want more – I want more understanding, I want more explanations, more answers, more peace!!! I can’t get enough of what happened! I want to write it down and read it a million times so I can learn everything I can from it. Because I’ve never been treated like this by a boyfriend before. Being hurt in such a terrible way like this has been a spiritual experience. Of course I’m excited – I’m totally on fire and infuriated!
I do have to agree with you in that I think there was something in what happened that deeply resonated and triggered something strong from my past – and thats why I stuck around. Because nobody would stick around like I did unless they thought they deserved it. Sure, I could connect it to my childhood/past – like my emotionally unavailable father or to my mother, who never really gave me the attention or unconditional love/acceptance that I needed as a child.
I’m well aware of all of this. But I do find it sort of… vulgar? to describe it like it was something that I was getting off on.
I’m here because I want validation. I want to be reassured. I want to share my story and say whatever needs to be said – because I don’t want to have these conversations with my friends or family right now.
July 23, 2015 at 3:35 pm #80340AnonymousGuestDear Nicole:
I find this correspondence fascinating; at this point it is fascinating to me. I don’t know if I want to push it forward because you stated that you were offended by my suggestion, that you find it vulgar, that is indecent, as if I am suggesting there is something indecent about you, about your person for finding excitement in that relationship. How do I move on from here, on one hand I want to learn more, on the other hand I don’t want to encourage your belief that I am suggesting there is something indecent about you.
Thinking… to myself, is there something indecent in being excited over such a relationship as you described? I think that I am able to look at it without that judgment. That is, I think that you can be the worthy, intelligent, vibrant woman that I believe you are and at the same time find excitement in such a relationship as you had. If you see hope for clearer understanding in this correspondence here with me (a cleared understanding that I do not currently possess but can maybe develop together with you)- let me know if you are able to not be offended by the possibility- just the possibility I am suggesting here.
anita
July 24, 2015 at 8:41 am #80374AxudaParticipantHi Nicole
Maybe it’s because I was in your position for so long during my marriage that I can identify with your story – whilst the circumstances were different, the manipulation was the same. Having had the benefit of a longer time since it all happened, as well as considerably longer on the planet, I’ll try to explain why I think you are an innocent victim in all of this.
Any person who is fundamentally kind and caring will have a natural tendency to make allowances for the behaviour of others, where we believe that they have issues or problems that they are trying to deal with. That is a wonderfully human trait which can bring great comfort to those who need it. All of us enjoy receiving, as well as providing, sympathy.
There are some, however, who take this to a whole different level. Those who don’t just enjoy sympathy, but who demand it – “sympathy junkies” if you like. No doubt there will have been something in their background which meant that they only got attention if something went wrong, or they hurt themselves, or they were upset. Whatever the cause, they crave sympathy because that is when people have to be nice to them.
What happens when a sympathy junkie meets a kind, caring individual? The danger is that it begins to descend into a controlling and manipulative relationship, where the caring individual tries to do everything that they can to keep the other happy, irrespective of the effect it has on them personally. Meanwhile the sympathy junkie just demands bigger and bigger fixes until ultimately the other has nothing left to give.
He found in you someone who cared about his problems. But instead of appreciating it, he exploited it. So he created more problems in order to get more and more sympathy out of you. The more you did for him, the more he demanded. And because you cared, you made allowances. So he exploited you even more. You say you “…felt compelled to stay and help him figure it out.” Not because you are stupid, but because you are a kind and caring person. And he loved the idea that you felt sorry for him whilst he was able to do whatever the hell he liked – he got the sympathy he craved even when his behaviour was outrageous.
So the reason I believe you are an innocent victim, is because you were doing what you did because you were kind and caring, not because you were being stupid or because you somehow got a kick out of it. I admit, from the outside, it looks very strange why anyone would put up with it. Having been in your position, I have had many friends (not only of mine, but also of my ex-wife) say to me, “What the hell were you thinking? How on earth did you put up with it?” But when you are going through it, you are made to feel as if you are just not trying hard enough, and that it is your fault. And you don’t blame your partner, because of all the “difficulties” they have.
You say that he feels that he is victorious, and got what he wanted. I think that was probably the case when you were still together. He was able to exploit his power and control over you to such an extent that you would live entirely according to rules he was setting. You even say how you were “…on thin ice and had to minimize my needs…”. His new woman, on the other hand, would have been putting pressure on him to make a decision. You were just going along with him, so because he is a weak, childish individual, he took the path of least resistance and left you. He thought that if it didn’t work out you’d probably come back anyway – after all, you had put up with everything else. But the thing is, you didn’t. You saw through it, matured and fought back. And that is precisely why he now has to make it sound like it is really what he wanted all along.
It takes a long time to understand how your good intentions were used against you. For me, more than 4 years after it ended, I still have tough days. Sometimes it might be reading the story of an abuse victim in the news. Sometimes seeing something on TV. Sometimes just speaking with a friend about what used to happen and seeing the look on their face. But then I read stories like yours and realise that it happens to others too. I wasn’t stupid. I wasn’t a masochist. I was exploited by someone who abused my better nature. So were you. And so, to hear the story of how a fellow “survivor” is getting her life back together and moving on is both motivating and inspiring.
That passion and fire burning inside you is going to propel you towards a fantastic future. And after all you have been through, that is nothing more than you deserve.
August 5, 2015 at 8:28 am #81265AnonymousInactiveAxuda,
Thank you so much.
I had to sit with this post for a while and read it a few times over again so I could really absorb it. It’s hard to find people who really understand what I’ve been through. I don’t know anybody in real life who has been through similar circumstances, so I really cherish your wisdom and advice.
Did you ever feel guilty for not being perfect in your relationship with your ex wife?
I find that, I’m still dealing with some guilt and shame from my relationship. It’s crazy – but I feel guilty (in a small, sick way) for not being a better codependent. I feel guilty because I didn’t do everything and anything in my power to save the relationship. I feel guilty because I was holding so much pent up anger and resentment towards him throughout the years, that in the months/last year before things ended, I wasn’t even myself anymore. I would get angry at him really easily. I would have a general every day “attitude” towards him that he would constantly point out and shame me and blame me for it (acting like a victim). After being mistreated for so long, I couldn’t keep up with having an unconditional positive regard for him. And for that, I feel really guilty. I feel like I should have just walked away – but even when I tried, he would never let me go.
I haven’t told many people about this, but the anger got so bad that if our arguments got heated enough and he wouldn’t get off my case, I’d get so angry that I’d have fits of range – like practically having an out of body experience. I’d scream and yell, and sometimes throw things – I even smacked him once or twice. It was incredibly out of character for me. I don’t behave like that towards people.
It’s just that, we could never have an adult conversation. I tried so hard to make an effort and he was always so defensive, angry, unreasonable, and so unwilling to understand. Our conversations and arguments would always go in circles. It was unbearable. The only time I’ve ever managed to have a conversations with him about anything and have it be quick and with a positive outcome is when I came from a place so low, and so sad, and a place of total helplessness. But that is not typical of me. I am not a whiner and I know I’m not helpless.
I don’t know, I even feel guilty as I write this and I feel guilty for trying to justify my actions.
And the craziest part of it all, is that during the break up, I never mentioned a word to him about how horrible or cruel or mean I thought he ever was… But he called ME emotionally abusive?!?!
So parts of me wonder if I really was. Were we both the victim and the abuser?
I mean, I never manipulated him, I never pressured him to do things against his well, I never used emotional blackmail, I never walked out on arguments. I was supportive and thoughtful. I did the best I could do with what I was faced with… But I feel like a failure because obviously my best wasn’t enough.
Okay, now I’m rambling 🙂
I’m a little scared to see what you have to say, because I’m really going out on a limb and opening up, here.
Thanks again for everything.
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