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  • #104580
    Annie
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    My husband and I have agreed to separate. But we still don’t know whether it is the right thing to do or not. Been married 7 years. Together 11. No kids. For years it’s been difficult. He’s a lovely man- reliable and provides security but no passion. No intimacy. It’s like living with a friend. We share a lot of common interests but still come home sleeping back to back. I’ve been saying for years how lonely I am. I think when he left 2 days ago, he expects me to say come back and make it work. My loneliness could lead me there but I know in my head and heart- we need to part. I need to feel emotionally connected to lead to any intimacy. With him, he finds it hard to communicate and gets frustrated when I try to talk about this stuff. So years passed by without any passion. Literally years …. This resulted in a lot of confusion for me and I ended up in a relationship with another man who gave me the passion and connection but I knew I couldn’t do both. So that ended 2 years ago. I stayed in marriage hoping we could work through things. But just left me more lonely. He doesn’t know about affair.
    I’m just so confused and lost. I know my gut is telling me it’s right and I have a great counsellor but fear and all those emotions are so raw.
    Any advice appreciated.
    Thanks.

    #104589
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear hopeful123:

    You wrote: “he finds it hard to communicate and gets frustrated when I try to talk about this stuff.”

    Did you and him attend counseling together with a competent therapist so that the two of you learn how to communicate in a way that is not threatening or frustrating to him? It can be as simple as a problem with the communication itself. For example, when you tell him you are lonely, you may say (just an example): you are making me feel lonely. And he feels you are blaming him and feeling guilty he can’t attend to the issue. Is that a possibility, the skill of communication not being effective, something that could be fixed with couple therapy where the two of you will learn to communicate effectively?

    anita

    #104590
    Annie
    Participant

    Thanks Anita
    We did go a few years back but he hated it. And says he won’t do it again but today when reality hitting him he says he is willing to try anything. I just don’t know if it’s too late now. I feel like I have given years of my life away and he is now moved back to his dad where one of biggest things he is worried about is what people will think. I do love him and he loves me but he has simple needs and can’t understand why I want “more” as he says. That leaves me empty.
    I don’t know if counselling will help us. The last time we went it was to a course he had heard of through church but the counsellors are “volunteers” not professionals so I never bought into it either really. They’d never talk about sex or intimacy at all. We left as bad as we started after 6 weeks of it.

    #104591
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear hopeful123:

    In your first line above you wrote that a few years back you did go to counseling but he hated it. Are you referring to the volunteers from church counseling?

    If it was a different counseling a few years ago, can you write what was the nature of that counseling? And what he hated about it?

    I am asking these questions because your user name is “hopeful” and you wrote in the original post that you are not sure separating is the right thing, so you have conflicted feelings, so I am trying to gather information-

    if you want to proceed with my gathering information effort, can you write more about what do you think the problem is, where it originates? Did you feel the connection you are looking for before you met him? With the guy you had the affair with? What was the nature of that intimacy and why did those relationships (where you did experience the intimacy you needed) end?

    anita

    #104592
    Annie
    Participant

    It was counselling that is affiliated with the church. He didn’t like talking about the problems we had in communicating and he felt that I was making out everything was his fault. Before I met him I never really had connection. A tough childhood- a lot of abandonment and rejection and inner hatred. I turned to drink to numb- met husband- still drank- never had the head over heels feeling. When he proposed I had planned to break up with him that weekend. I cried out of “oh crap” when he asked me to marry him and he cried also because he thought I was so happy. I told him 3 weeks after proposal that I felt like we were “settling”. We both agreed to move on as we do have love for each other.
    I gave up drink about 3 years into marriage. Met guy at work and spent a lot of time connecting with him and then it lead to physical relationship. I’ve never had intimacy like that with someone before. It ended as he could not take it and I was married and I wasn’t ready to move out. He told me 2 months ago he is seeing someone and I felt a physical shift in my body. A physical knocking off my axis. This is what has started all this in me. Eventhough me and the affair guy had no physical contact in almost 3 years now- it hit me like a truck. I found a new counsellor and am dealing with the inner child stuff and examining the reasons I chose my husband. He is a man everyone loves as he is steady and reliable but there’s no passion for me like I felt with the other man. I feel like I have been searching for a connection all my life. Drink/affair/ climbed mountains for a while/ work/over exercise etc.
    Now I am not doing anything but listening to my inner voice and the pain I feel. And have felt in my marriage for years. I’m not separating to win back affair guy – I really want to be alone and find out who I am. I love my husband too much to crush him on admitting affair and too much to trap him out of loneliness on both our parts. He would gladly stay as we are. As is true to his vows. Me? I never felt fulfilled which lead my into arms of other man instead of into arms of husband as he struggles with communicating. He told me he misses me today and when I asked what he misses about me- he said my company. That could be provided by a friend. It’s all very confusing and sad.
    Thanks Anita

    #104597
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear hopeful123:

    You are welcome. I think that what you are looking for in a relationship with a man is that deep, very deep need you had as a child, a need that was unsatisfied then. There is no need stronger than the need of a child to be connected to a parent. It is a biological need as strong as the need to survive. It exists in animals too. So that strong need you had as a child was not fulfilled. You were a scared, alone child with a desperate need to feel connected, protected.

    You still need this feeling of being connected. Problem is, this need cannot be fully satisfied unless you could go back in time, be a child again, and have a different parent (at least one) who, this time, will love you, attend to you, make you feel safe in her arms.

    This is why I think good psychotherapy with a competent therapist will help you process those intense unmet childhood need to be safe. This will make it possible for you to settle (yes, settle) with what a relationship with a man can give you-

    It can’t give you THAT safety, the safety of a child in her mother’s arms (or father’s arms).

    I don’t know about your husband’s … inadequacies or challenges, but no matter who the man is, other than temporary feel-good period of time, you can’t have a satisfactory relationship with a man until you heal from your childhood wounds, the wounds of hurt and fear and anger, for being unattended to, unseen, unloved.

    anita

    #104600
    Annie
    Participant

    Thanks. It is true. And that is what I am working through now with my new counsellor.
    It’s very hard emotional stuff and it’s all about healing my wounded inner child.
    These wounds are raw I know. I guess pushing my husband away has been a defence mechanism for years also.
    I’m not sure how it will all play out. All I know is that for the first time in my 39years on this earth- I am opening myself up completely and stripping it all back to the bare bones.
    I need to love myself and I am beginning to see that light.
    Slowly slowly I will heal.
    Thanks for the advice.

    #104607
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear hopeful:

    You are on the healing path (the one I am on). I know this because you wrote: “Slowly slowly I will heal”- and slow is exactly what it is, very slowly. This very word, slow (healing) is what i thought about on my walk only an hour ago, before reading your post. I thought how indeed slow it is. It requires a lot of patience and gentleness with yourself. It is not easy work as you know.

    When you are on the healing path, healing that wounded inner child, as you called it, you will experience pain but there is light at the end of the tunnel, there is hope for love and a better life.

    To not heal is to suffer with no light at the end of the tunnel, no hope for love and a better life.

    Did you share your healing with your husband? Did you tell him about your wounded inner child and what she went through? If you did, how did he respond?

    anita

    #104645
    Annie
    Participant

    I did tell him. He just feels angry towards my parents and says he couldn’t understand too much as he had a really precious childhood.
    He said he is angry that my counselling also addresses our relationship as he thought it was all childhood stuff and once I “got over” that we would be ok.
    He is saddened to think that maybe I am unhappy in our relationship as he always thought we would just get on and be ok.
    I know I need to love myself. Being married I don’t feel love from him and I don’t want that to be another reason to hate myself or abandon myself.
    He is a very simplistic man so these conversations freak him out and frustrate him and he cannot cope. He gets angry and takes off exercising for a few hours. Then comes back hoping I won’t bring it up again.
    It’s all a terrible cycle
    Of pain.
    I’m glad you are seeing that there is light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for the support.

    #104669
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear hopeful123:

    You are welcome.

    I would like to check with you if I understand correctly, so let me know if the following is correct:
    You told him about your childhood, the abuse you suffered at the hands of your parents and how much it hurt you. One way he responded was feeling anger at your parents. Another way he responded was to tell you that you should “get over” your abusive childhood. Is that correct?

    I also have a few questions: if the latter is correct, did he suggest how you should “get over” it?

    Did you mean by “these conversations” that freak him out, being you telling him about your abusive childhood/ wounded inner child? Or do you mean conversations about the relationship with him? Or both?

    How much of a conversation is there before he takes off?

    anita

    #104677
    Annie
    Participant

    Thank You Anita.
    He cannot handle the conversations about our relationship. He said that he always thought it was my childhood issues that were causing me to isolate or numb or shut down communication but he knows over last year or so I am talking more about everything and he cannot cope because it brings our relationship into it and he ‘thought we were happy’….although I don’t know how he thought that.
    He says ‘I am an adult now and need to look to the future’ and that ‘ I will never be happy’ no matter what he does. Maybe he is right as I am trying to work through my abusive childhood. He has comforted me when I talk to him about my childhood but the minute I try and talk about our relationship- he clams up, gets angry and has to go and let off steam. I have had the conversation with him that now as I reflect back on why I married it was because I thought he would fix me and yes I loved him enough to commit to him. He spoke to me today and said he can’t listen to that stuff and I said horrible things- but I told him that I was only being truthful – he thought I knew marrying that I wanted him to fix me but I said I only know that now years later. His response was- ‘well maybe in another few years you will see what a mistake the separation is’… That just maddened me again and we left the call angry. Maybe few days no contact will be best.
    I feel flat- just drained from it all and trying to go to work and ‘pretend’ everything is OK….. it’s so hard.
    thank you

    #104681
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear hopeful123:

    Take a break then, for the rest of the work day. And for as long as you need to.

    Seems to me that the situation is a combination of your issues and his issues. Two separate things: you came into the relationship with your issues, and he came into the relationship with his issues.

    As far as his issues, the fact that he has been oblivious to you not being happy in the relationship for so long is suspect, suspect of blindness on his part, a blindness he came to the relationship with, a blindness he doesn’t want to face and that is why he leaves when something he doesn’t want to see, needs to be seen.

    His childhood, which he told you was so healthy, was probably not that great and he is blind to it. It is likely that it is that blindness (so common in adult children regarding their childhood) that he brought with him to the relationship with you.

    His telling you that you are now an adult and need not look into the past- well, this is what he is doing, blind to his past and so he keeps himself blind to the present. This is the cost for not seeing the past for what it is.

    It is not only that he can’t fix you, he will not fix himself. Problem is the focus of the one needs fixing is on you when reality, it is both you and him that need fixing.

    As difficult as you may be to live with possibly, at the least you have been looking honestly at your past and are willing to heal yourself while he has not.

    At this point, it is my impression that a healthy relationship between the two of you is not a probability.

    Post anytime, or later, when you feel better.

    anita

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