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  • #82552
    Brian
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    I suppose this is pretty simple. I have practiced loving myself, accepting the moment, distress tolerance, all of it..but I don’t think I love myself. I tend to think of myself as broken and unlovable.

    So, does this mean that my “love” for others isn’t genuine? The purported love I feel for others isn’t common, since I trust hardly anyone, but I find myself drawn to others who are going through similar stuff that I am. Maybe this isn’t “love”? I’m not in a relationship, but indeed find myself very drawn to a woman who has her own stuff…stuff that leads to her being very receptive to my stuff, but also means she’s a wreck herself and is an alcoholic. I can stop drinking if I need to; I’ve done it many times throughout my life. She doesn’t seem to be able to, at least not without AA.

    So then, what’s the difference between “drawn to” and “in love with”? I’m attracted to her, she’s not stupid by any means, but she’s in turmoil. I guess what I’m asking is that, if I don’t think I love myself, how can I love another? On the other hand, maybe I DO love myself in some way but am not aware of it or refuse to look at it that way?

    Something I just thought of: growing up with my parents, my dad has always been closed emotionally. He even admitted to me a few years ago that he’s not even comfortable with the word “love” (it’s a rare parent that will be THAT honest with you). I’m not all that comfortable with the word myself.

    I would love to comfort and hold a woman who is going through the kind of hell I’ve been through, but I’m afraid of the connection too, and what it might mean in terms of relationship(s) or emotional attachment.

    So, basically, that’s it: Am I actually loving another person, when I’m not aware of loving myself? Or is it more complicated/simple than that?

    #82555
    Inky
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    Hi Brian,

    First of all, I view love as a verb as well as a feeling. For your friend, because she’s an alcoholic, and because you have your own “stuff”, I would love her from afar.

    Now, when you have a child, you will (should!) feel pure love for that child. The parent/child relationship is the purest form of love. Of course, there are lousy parents out there, but you get the idea. When you’re holding that baby in your arms, you’re not thinking, “Well, my shrink says I don’t love myself enough so how can I love another person correctly, especially a family member?” You’re not even thinking. You’re feeling, “I love you, I love you, I love you!”

    I also (morbidly) think of people who would be at my funeral. Some of them would be people I haven’t seen in years. That is love. The people who have shared and witnessed your history with you, even though you may not think of them at all day by day. (i.e. your siblings’ best friends).

    And when you’re in love with someone, you don’t even have to ask. It sounds cliché, but when you meet who is to be your spouse, you just “Know”. And by the way, it may not feel like fireworks. It’s just a certain Deep Knowing.

    You are not in love with the alcoholic friend. You are drawn to her. And you may even love her. But please don’t get sucked into the co-dependent mess waiting for you if you get involved.

    Best,

    Inky

    #82562
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Brian:

    My answer: as is, you love yourself a little bit and you love that woman a little bit. The more you love yourself, the more you can love another. It is a matter of degree, a spot on the continuum of love. Problem is that if you are a parent, a “little bit” of love will not be good enough for your child, so I will strongly suggest to any person who does not love themselves to postpone parenthood until you do. For a child, there is no “little bit”- it is all-or-nothing. The “little bit” can be enough to survive but not to thrive.

    I think you love yourself a little bit when you are drawn to a person who, like you, suffered or is suffering significantly. It is your loving yourself, caring for your own pain, having empathy to yourself, that makes it possible for you to have empathy for another. You have empathy to your woman friend because you have empathy for yourself. You don’t feel that empathy for yourself (at all or hardly?)but it is there.

    One possible way for you to increase your self empathy is at any one time when you are in the company of another and you are aware of that warm, empathetic feeling for the other person, think: what is it that he/ she is reminding me about myself (Brian)- what about me and my life am I reminded of right now?

    If you could then shift for a moment the empathy to the other from being directed at the other- to you, directing it to yourself.

    anita

    #82572
    Brian
    Participant

    Inky,

    I am not going to have kids. So that part doesn’t apply to me. When I see a baby I might think of how cute they are, but I want nothing to do with their care because of my own stuff. Totally agree on the co-dependent part though. I’m aware of it, and it could very well be a mess. If I let it.

    Anita,

    Yeah, I think that’s what I mean about loving myself and loving another. I guess I do love myself a bit; if I didn’t, I’d probably have ended my life. And your comments about parenthood are spot on–I don’t have my stuff together enough to have kids, and I really don’t want the responsibility (I also think of overpopulation and what kind of world kids are being raised in, but that’s a different discussion). The empathy thing is also spot on. The empathy shift is a good suggestion.

    #82583
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Brian:

    I decided long, long ago to not bring a child into this world. I couldn’t bear the pain of bringing an innocent child to be hurt. I decided that long ago and decades later I hold the same position only I feel about it even more strongly. There is no greater emotional pain than the pain of that innocent child that I was, the one looking up to the adult with those big, trusting eyes only to have my heart broken into many tiny little pieces. I see these little hurt children every day in the adults here on this site and elsewhere. I wish more people held your and my position about bringing children into THIS world (not a good-enough world for the innocent).

    Write anytime.
    anita

    #82586
    Mike
    Participant

    I find that the old saying, “You can not love another if you do not love your self,” should maybe be reversed, to “you can not love yourself until you love everyone else, selflessly.” It is easy to love oneself, turn on one of those reality television shows about the rich and famous and they all love themselves, but whether they selflessly love others it is doubtful. When you love others selflessly, without wanting anything in return, eventually you will allow yourself to love yourself because you will learn that just like those you love have flaws, you have flaws and as you become more accepting of others mistakes you will be more accepting of your own. For a normal non-narcissistic their self is the hardest person to love. We are all just humans so accept human things from everyone, it is so easy to berate ourselves or others when something goes wrong even if it is internally it is still there a negative emotion that isn’t love. That is hurtful, because we tend to wear our emotions on our faces, we feel them and others see them, but when a mistake is made if we accept it with assurance and love then it will grow. There are plenty of quotes out there about giving others the benefit of the doubt and they can help. Going out of your way to help others also helps. Romantic love is different than “Love” because it is more involved, but you must know how to love everyone in a non romantic way before even considering romantic love to be true love. How often is romantic love simply used as a means to an ends? A person says I love you in order to fulfill their human desires and once they get what they want, “Audios.” That is simply using another as a means to an end and so it is when a person uses a person to simply fill a void of lonliness, which I think is partly where that sang arises. If you are lonely with yourself and are simply looking for another to fill that void, then you are using that person as a means to an end which isn’t true anything. You have to be true in your actions, because your thoughts will see right through fakeness as you are already having trouble loving yourself, it will double when your weak self ego says, “See look, you are a fake. You aren’t authentic in your “love” for others.”

    Another reason we often don’t love ourselves is that we have an ego that is hurt and punishing ourselves. The ego that part of us that does things just to look good always wants to be the best and perfect. Well somewhere your ego was hurt and now it is in self sabotage mode. Alcohol is the drug of choice for the hurt ego, just look at the number of people that go out and go an alcohol binge after a rough break up that hurts their ego and end up sleeping with who ever. Or maybe they lost their job and where do they go? The bar, the one place where even the “losers” can score with a “10.” The ego causes us to argue when we know we are wrong and when we are proven wrong to make us fume in anger. We can let the ego go, it is hard but just recognize at as the toddler in our head that is mad cause it isn’t getting its way. Just like that toddler if you give into its every demand if you listen to its every rant and rave, well get ready for a roller coaster of love and hate. You’ll love it when it is cute and cuddly and high on spirits when it can take credit for a job well done. You’ll hate it when it is berating you for not being good enough. Hope I could help you somehow in some way.

    #82615
    Brian
    Participant

    “you have flaws and as you become more accepting of others mistakes you will be more accepting of your own. For a normal non-narcissistic their self is the hardest person to love.”

    Certainly agree with this. If I had a nickel for every time someone gave sage advice in an emotionally difficult situation yet was unable to take their own advice…This makes me think of the idea that doing nice things for people helps not only them but you. Sometimes I genuinely find this outpouring of wanting to do SOMEthing to help someone else or brighten their day. So it’s within me, this ability to care about others. Which I think, in turn, means I have the ability to love myself in the same way. It may just take practice. Lots of practice.

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