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August 2, 2018 at 7:41 am #220009MateParticipant
I know about the book Primal scream, but I didn’t know it didn’t work. I know a have a feeling I should let go completely, like that’s the solution. If it doesn’t’ work that way, I can’t think of any other way it could work for me. Only a work with psychotherapist may come out with some solution, or understanding why I wanna throw things and be aggressive. Maybe if I could find something like an early trauma in my life, if I could get some memories to understand why this type of aggression is formed maybe I’d find a key to solving the problem. But also it could be a reaction to letting go, my fear of it and the aggression that follows it.
August 14, 2018 at 4:40 pm #221523MateParticipantTo anyone who might be reading this, I have a new update on my condition. I have allowed myself t throw chairs in my backyard and when I let everything go completely a thoughts: I’m gonna die, I’m gonna die, start appearing. I was not afraid I’m really gonna die, I think my ego was afraid for his own death that might occur. I think there is a possibility that my ego may have to die. I just don’t know how will Ii allow it to happen. I order to get to that ‘death of an ego’ state I have to go through aggression again. I feel that my ego can die when I completely let it go.
August 15, 2018 at 7:55 am #221583AnonymousGuestDear Mate:
I wasn’t aware that you posted August 2. If I was aware, I would have responded to you that same day or the day after. What happens sometimes, is that following clicking on “Submit”, there is no record of the submission on the page of Topics (that is my name doesn’t show as the last one who posted on the thread). When I submit and that happens, I add a post: “didn’t reflect under Topics” and that so far corrected the situation and my name shows. You may do the same, if you want, so to prevent your post from not being noticed and read.
yes, the Primal Scream idea of releasing trauma through a scream, or a series of screams, doesn’t work because trauma registers in many, many neuropathways in the brain, and those cannot be undone in a scream or a series of screams. It takes years. Significant progress can be done in months of persistent work and patience, with the help of a capable psychotherapist.
Regarding an “early trauma” in your life: often people think only the most extreme traumas count as trauma, but it is not so. It is not difficult for a small, dependent child to be traumatized, that is, to get so scared that he suffers for years from anxiety. The knowledge of what it was that scared you so much as a child is available to you if you paid attention to what scares you now.
Regarding why you have the urge to throw things, to act aggressively- anger and aggression follow fear. When an animal fears for its life, it either runs away (feeling only fear), or it feels fear, then anger, and it fights so to save its life.
Regarding your most recent post, the reason you thought: “I’m gonna die” can be that “early trauma” you mentioned earlier. Like I wrote, it doesn’t take a lot for a child to get scared, and a fear children share with all other animals is the fear of physical death. (I don’t think that as a child you were aware of the concept of ego, and therefore you were not afraid then of your ego dying).
anita
August 21, 2018 at 7:49 am #222315MateParticipantYes, that is true. Although I think that I need to let my ego die, that I’ve reached that phase in my life. It could be an early trauma, my fear of death, but it is weird because I was perfectly aware I’m not going to die, now when it happened. It was like something inside of me was afraid of death. That’s why I think it is my ego. Yes, aggression is a response to fear, I fear of death, at least my ego does, so it becomes aggressive. I think I need to let it die, but I don’t wanna go through that aggression anymore. Although I maybe have to. When that fear of death arouse I didn’t have any memory on any kind of trauma, so maybe it isn’t caused by trauma, maybe simply my ego needs to die and is afraid of that experience. Or it might be an early trauma, but in both cases, I think I need to resolve it the same way, not to run away from that fear, but to stay exposed to it, as long as it vanishes.
August 21, 2018 at 7:58 am #222317AnonymousGuestDear Mate:
I would like to understand better, therefore I ask: if your ego died, how would be life for you every day, what will it be like?
anita
August 21, 2018 at 9:10 am #222339MateParticipantI don’t know, I just think I wouldn’t suffer. At least I wouldn’t have the unnecessary suffering, I think my mental struggles would be gone, my panic attacks and my aggression. I expect that, but I don’t know what would happen. I would have to go through the process of a death of an ego to see what would it be like latter. People who have experienced that describe it as a merging with the love and beauty of the universe.
August 21, 2018 at 9:20 am #222343AnonymousGuestDear Mate:
Ego death as the experience of “merging with the love and beauty of the universe” is something you already experienced and you described it well, page 1. Maybe ego death is not a forever-after kind of experience for anyone. Maybe it is an experience that you remember and then you can re-experience, when alone in nature, let’s say.
anita
August 21, 2018 at 12:36 pm #222403MateParticipantI don’t think my ego died that night, at least it doesn’t seem like that right now. Maybe that was experience when the death of my ego started. Or this right now is something different, I don’t know. Maybe my ego did die that night, however it is, I have to conquer that fear of death which occurred after I let my aggression run wild. I don’t know what will happen after it, but the only way I see it now is to leave the fear alone, completely, let it do whatever it wants. That is my idea of facing that fear.
August 22, 2018 at 9:46 am #222559AnonymousGuestDear Mate:
The word “death” in the term “ego death” suggests an event that is final. I don’t think it is possible, to change our brain’s neuropathways, and so many of them, in a one time experience, even in a series of experiences. A changing of thinking and believing, that takes years and the old doesn’t disappear without a trace, as we change we still deal with old thinking and old believing.
When you wrote “let (fear) do whatever it wants”, you mean throw things and such, acting aggressively?
anita
August 23, 2018 at 6:19 am #222681MateParticipantI believe it could be possible in a one experience, the fear could be gone. Yes, when I mean to let my fear do whatever it wants it includes throwing chairs, acting aggressively, but also when that fear of death comes not to run away, but to stay exposed to that fear. It’s damn hard, especially because I live with my parents, so it’s not mine chairs I would throw, but theirs, and they don’t support me in my vision of my state. Problem is, when I meditate and calm down an urge to act aggressively arises. If it wasn’t so I would conclude that I need to suppress that aggression, but when it happens that way, that I become aggressive when I calm myself down, I think I need to express t until I reach the point of inner peace. And I think I have to go through that fear of death. I would like to avoid that confrontation with my aggression and my fear, but I think it’s inevitable. It comes to me, without me wanting it.
August 23, 2018 at 7:24 am #222689AnonymousGuestDear Mate:
If I understand you correctly, you believe that fear could be gone in one experience. If you let fear do whatever it wants, throwing chairs, acting aggressively, for as long as it takes, the fear will be gone for the rest of your life and you will experience permanent, lifetime inner peace.
Did I understand correctly?
anita
August 23, 2018 at 8:36 am #222707MateParticipantHmmm, I don’t think I would never be afraid anymore, I don’t think that’s the way it goes. Honestly I don’t know what would happen, I would have to go through that experience and than see for myself. I just think I could alleviate the unnecessary suffering, the suffering we cause ourselves to ourselves. I do expect I would experience a lifetime inner peace but not in a way that my life would become static, but to be ok to go with the flow, wherever it takes, and to be at peace with that.
August 23, 2018 at 8:48 am #222711AnonymousGuestDear Mate:
I agree: that’s not the way it goes, fear doesn’t disappear and we don’t get to enjoy perfect, undisturbed peace. Regarding the “unnecessary suffering, he suffering we cause ourselves to ourselves”- tell me more about that, what you mean by it?
anita
August 23, 2018 at 9:09 am #222723MateParticipantI mean suffering in a form of a mental illness or something like that, something we do to ourselves. I think that would be gone. And some other kind of suffering can exist, maybe even mental suffering, but my attitude towards it would be changed, I wouldn’t be jeopardized by it, but rather I would see it just as another part of the flow.
August 23, 2018 at 9:48 am #222743AnonymousGuestDear Mate:
These are a few of my thoughts regarding fear, anger, aggression and mental illness: fear is a natural emotion in nature. It is not an illness. The purpose of fear is to motivate an animal to escape- or fight danger (The Flight/ Fight reaction to Fear).
In humans, escaping danger is often impossible, specifically it is impossible for a young child to escape his home. Later on in life, we may be bullied in schools and without help, we are not able to not go to school. Bullying may happen in the work place later on. With no other way to make money, we may feel forced to stay in the aggressive work situation.
Having to remain in an aggressive environment, be it in one’s childhood home, and/ or in school, and the workplace later on… or in a crime ridden neighborhood and so forth, the fear does not flow out of us because we remain in danger(aggression is danger).
Remaining in danger, fear festers, remains, grows. It expresses itself in a myriad of mental illnesses. Many people suffer from a few diagnosable mental illnesses, combinations of symptoms, expression of that festering fear.
To heal, you have to figure what aggression you are currently living with, be it hostile parents, a bullying workplace, and so on, and then escape, finally.. escape that danger, literally, no longer be present for it.
That would be the first step of healing.
anita
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