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  • #176141
    Wanderlust16
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    I don’t know how to find my last post so I will try to make this short – I met guy a few years ago on vacation. We live so far apart that it’s not ideal to have a relationship but I believe when there is a will, there is a way! I feel that our meeting was fated based on where and how we met. Also, when I first met him, there was no chemistry. I was in a deserted island and he also traveling alone.  He probably felt no chemistry for me either because we ended up in bed despite the lack of physical attraction. I’m very fit and attractive but I realize I’m not everyone’s cup of tea.  There was a force that drew us together beyond the physical attraction. I felt the jolt when he kissed me. During the trip he told he was not going to call me or want a relationship. Within a week I was falling for him. After we got home we kept in touch via email and Skype (a few times a month). We met again within a few months and had an amazing time.  When we got back to reality and again he told me he didn’t want a relationship. But then he came to visit me.  Again told me he did’t want a relationship. I finally broke it off and we didn’t meet again for over a year. While we were apart we kept contact very minimal – no contact for a few months and then resumed with a few emails in between.  When we met again the chemistry blew me away. He was very caring, considerate, protective and loving. We also got along great.  Once we got home he got overwhelmed and backed off. Emotionally I was getting tired of it. I don’t understand how people can turn on and off like that.  I did a lot of traveling and engaged in various activities.  Over the summer he asked me to go on another trip, to which I couldn’t refuse. Again chemistry was great. It was not about the s** but how we connected.  Unless he was a great actor, he couldn’t have put up a charade for 24 hrs for 4 weeks straight just for s**.   He always wanted to be around me – to the point it was too much for me. He’s one of those people who is very independent and need alone time but when he was with me he was always with me except when I had to go to the toilet.  I was not sure about the other times but I was convinced he was falling for me – the way he looked at me and how protective he was of me. He was very emotional each time we parted.  When we got home I sensed him pulling away, less so this time than the other times but it was still happening.  I didn’t want to wait weeks for an email. I felt like a stranger he just met. Instead of telling him how I felt, I responded to his email and at the end of it I told him that I’d be offline for a while to deal with some issues. I didn’t go into details.  I didn’t get a response back and it has been three months  and I’m not surprised.

    I’ve accepted that I was projecting my expectations on him and I need to work on myself. I don’t hold any anger against him because he told me he didn’t want a relationship. Lastly, this pattern is nothing new and I don’t want to continue. What we had was the best it was ever going to be – a fantasy.  I’m not sure why I’m suffering from anxiety with irregular heartbeats. Over the last two months, I have not been able to sleep once I wake up in the middle of the night. Some nights I get 3 to 5 hours of sleep.  Once I’m awake I can’t fall back asleep because I think about him – I’m not angry or devastated. I’m healthy and fit and was always able to sleep through the night during the other times we were going through this. This has not happened to me before.  I feel sad sometimes but most of the time I feel positive, therefore, I’m not sure what is happening to me physically/psychologically.  Am I in denial mentally that I’m ok but am suffering physically? Sometimes I wonder if the way I ended it was adequate. I had to do what was best for me at the time. I feel that I’ve made  progress to keep steering ahead. Sometimes I do wonder if he hates me by his silence. I do not expect us to keep in contact but I did expect him to respond out of formality so that we both have closure. I don’t need him to give me closure. I just hope he finds peace.

     

    #176201
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Wanderlust16:

    Welcome back. If you click on your user name, you will get some or all of your history: replies you posted and topics you started.

    Regarding this thread, my thoughts: when he sees you he is on vacation, time away from his life. After all, these are his vacations, involving travel and they happen rarely. During vacation people do what they normally don’t do, and so, he does, on his vacations, what he normally doesn’t do. People who work full time, go home, watch TV, have dinner, go to bed, next day, work etc., when they are on vacation their schedule changes drastically, no work whatsoever, they lie down on the beach all day, eat differently, etc.

    He told you that he doesn’t want a relationship, not outside his vacations, I figure. During his vacations he is loving to you, in the context of … his vacations.

    For you, the relationship exists beyond his vacations. For him, the relationship is limited to his vacations. Why haven’t you slept well in the last two months- maybe it has to do with your belief that your meeting him a few years ago was fated (“I feel that our meeting was fated”)- would you like to elaborate on what you mean by it, the nature of that fate?

    anita

    #176325
    Wanderlust16
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for responding. I agree what you said about him loving me in the context of his vacations. I was fully aware of the risks involved and was a willing participant.  I’m a bit disappointed but not heartbroken. I felt that the time we were together were loving, respectful, caring and extremely peaceful.  He often said how good it was for the soul because of how relaxing it was.  We explored quite a few exotic places together and they took coordination before and during the trips. We were on the same wavelength 99% of the times, therefore, everything went smoothly. We wanted to make each other happy so whatever the other person wanted the other accommodated.  I didn’t ever felt hurt, slighted or not getting enough attention.  We were always ‘present’ when we were together. We spent time on our phones to do what we needed to do but always returned to each other within one hour or less. Because of the great times we had I don’t feel that it was an act. I truly believe he cared for me deeply, not as a vacation girlfriend or an option.  He’s in his 40s and had two serious girlfriends before me. He has always led an independent life where he needs his alone time and also spend tremendous amount of time in various activities.  When he was with his gf he took six months off to travel.  During that time he didn’t understand why his gf was upset that he couldn’t talk to her weekly. He could but he didn’t want to be commit to a schedule where he had to be at a certain place/time. He told me he was ready to quit some activities because she was not happy. He ended up leaving her.  He wants freedom to do whatever when he wants it.  This has been his pattern and probably always will be. It has nothing to do with me!   When I finally understood that I stopped feeling unimportant when he treats me like an acquaintance. While at he’s home he’s at battle with heart.

    Why I feel our relationship was fated: I had plan to go somewhere else for vacation but ended up canceling 4x times before settling on this destination.  I originally reserved a hotel in another city but last minute I changed my mind and booked a night in the same hotel.  I had no idea why because there was not anything in particular I wanted to see there.  Also, the day we met I had plans to leave early but that morning it was extremely windy. I decided to wait in the lobby where there was stronger WIFI connection.  As I was walking toward a table he looked up from his laptop. We exchanged hellos. I was studying a map and I sensed he was looking at me for a while because I felt heat on my face. Next thing I realized  he came to my table and asked if he could join me.  We talked about our plans and since we were going to the same place he offered me a ride. I accepted  and we both ended up in a remote place (off season) by ourselves. We spent all day together and had dinner from 4pm to midnight! During the entire time I felt comfortable around him but no physical chemistry. He offered to spend the remainder of his trip with me and I accepted. 99% of the time if I felt no chemistry I usually would not accept the offer knowing that the guy would eventually make a move on me and it would be super uncomfortable, especially in our situation where we were alone together.  I felt safe from the getgo. In the subsequent trips we discovered that there was a very intense sexual attraction between us, an attraction that was so intense that it left us both need room to think about what just happened, la force beyond our control. I’ve not ever experience anything of  this depth. It touched my soul. He also mentioned several times that our private time was good for his soul. This is why I believe we were brought together to help each other grow and evolve. I dug deep into this dynamic and in the process I learned a lot about me and many issues that I need to work on so that I don’t repeat the same patterns and if I do, it means I’m not there mentally yet and it’s ok. Everyone’s time frame is different.  I feel peaceful despite being separated without any interactions for three months yet I’m experiencing these symptoms. As soon as I wake up in the middle of night my mind goes to him and it keeps me up all night.  I don’t feel anxious or sad so I don’t know why I can’t fall back asleep unless I knock myself out with PM drugs, which I don’t want to do.  Am I feeling his vibrations?

    #176371
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Wanderlust16:

    This is my understanding: you want and have wanted for a long time that this man keeps a committed, love relationship going with you in between the time spent together traveling, be it long distance (the two of you living in different continents). This is what your heart wants.

    You wrote in April: “I don’t like the instability and I do not see him willing to commit”- when you wake up at night and you “can’t fall back asleep because (you) think about him” – it is your heart making up for his not being there, filling in the emptiness of his absence by … making him present, so to speak, present in your thoughts. As if he was there.

    You enlist the concept of fate to help with making him present, as in: the two of you are meant to be in a committed love relationship and you enlist the Law of Vibrations (a concept I don’t believe in, like fate) to create in your heart/ brain the committed loving relationship that isn’t there. He is not communicating with you so you make believes he is, via vibrations. Or you make believe .. the Universe, some entity, is doing the communication for him.

    All so to create that stability in a committed, loving relationship that you need and desire.

    anita

    #176397
    Wanderlust16
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    How do I go about letting him go in my heart? In my head I have no desire to go back. I feel repulsed by the thoughts -how it was HOT for four weeks to no communication within a month. It was my choice to step away because I didn’t want to be fed crumbs any more. The waiting was so excruciating that I just couldn’t wait another week or two for an email that I decided to walk away without an explanation.  I’m sure he’s upset about it, that’s why he didn’t respond.  All my close friends said they would ask if everything is ok – out of common courtesy. While it is sad to think about it sometimes I truly feel liberated and should be grateful that he’s respecting my boundary. I don’t have unrealistic hopes of us, in fact, I have no desire to see or hear from him.  I’ve watched many Eckhart Tolle videos on how to let go and be present and while they help me and I feel good every day, negative thoughts still creep up. It is ruining my inner peace with lack of good sleep and a pulsing heart beats. I know that I didn’t just developed a heart condition and a sleeping disorder.  I’ve scheduled an appointment to meet with a therapist to go over why I attract emotionally unavailable men. I realized that having an EU father and an overly critical mother make me seek approval.  The more I was denied of a relationship, the more I wanted it, from this guy, hence, why I hang around.  Even knowing this fact, I can’t seem to forgive myself today. I feel so angry today.  I can’t wait for the day when this is not on my mind to think about anymore.

    #176411
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Wanderlust16:

    From reading your last post, even before you mentioned anger, it occurred to me when you mentioned the “pulsing heart beats”, that you are angry. Anger may very well be what has been keeping you awake at nights. I understand your anger, “how it was HOT for four weeks to no communication”.

    I was wondering yesterday what could possibly explain it, on his part, how he can switch like that, how he an ignore you after being so close to you, going from one extreme to the other. Possibilities: he may be angry at women and has been punishing you by this switching. Scary thought, isn’t it? We don’t want to believe that people intend to harm those who love them. Unfortunately, it happens. Another possibility, he hates closeness, despises intimacy, but enjoys it as well,  so he “binges” on it on vacation and avoids it otherwise.

    In any case, this is not working for you. The anger, your understandable anger needs to be addressed, acknowledged, processed. Maybe going as far back as growing up with your emotionally unavailable father and overly critical mother. Maybe the emotions there are not done being processed.

    anita

     

    #176441
    VJ
    Participant

    Hi Wanderlust16,

    Relationships are assignments from Life. They do give a lot of learnings and ‘work to do’ for us and I see that you have already realized this by your below statement.

    “..I believe we were brought together to help each other grow and evolve. I dug deep into this dynamic and in the process I learned a lot about me and many issues that I need to work on so that I don’t repeat the same patterns and if I do, it means I’m not there mentally yet and it’s ok..”

    I suggest you gradually work in the direction of all those things that you mention you have learned a lot about in the relationship. While you slowly do that I will suggest you a few things below based on my experience.

    I too had similar issues. People, especially of the opposite gender, used to cling to me in the head and it was very very painful to release them. ” It is ruining my inner peace with lack of good sleep and a pulsing heart beats.” I felt like you felt.

    The vibes that you felt while connecting to this person are part of a Karmic force. An undercurrent that you cannot control/resist no matter what, because that is the force of Life, enforcing you to go into that relationship, experience the experiences that are required for the evolution of your soul. “All my close friends said they would ask if everything is ok”. During this time, people’s opinion, which is also a part of this collective force, will drag you back to the situation, until it subsides by itself. So if a relationship, due to this force (which is nothing but Life), stays along with us, is good for us and even if it goes away is still for our good because the healing is happening at a soul level.

    The undercurrent has lessened a bit now as you do not want to go back to this person. But the residue is still there and you need to “heal” that and I am going to suggest you on that.

    It is good that you do not have any ill feelings about this person else your healing process would take a bit more time.

    1) Chant the below as many times as you can to break the karmic link about the person/situation. Either mentally, loudly or softly or however you feel comfortable.

    Format:

    I _______ FORGIVE YOU ________, YOU ALSO PLEASE FORGIVE ME AND RELEASE ME, THANK YOU.

    Example:

    I FORGIVE YOU , YOU ALSO PLEASE FORGIVE ME AND RELEASE ME, THANK YOU.

    Practice it for a week and let me know about your progress.

     

    2) For your sleep issues:

    Count from 1 to 100 but backwards.

    ie; 100 . . . 99 . . . 98 . . . and so on, till you reach 1.

     

    Don’t do this as if you are sitting for meditation. Lie down on your bed with all your blankets and lights off as if you are again off to sleep.

    Close your eyes and start the counting.

    While doing this either of 3 things will happen-

    i. You will start with 100 and at some point you may get disturbed by the thoughts about this person (or something else).

    Allow yourself to think whatever that is. Then when you have caught yourself thinking, come back mentally and continue from the number where you had stopped, if you remember the number. If you do not remember, then you can start from 100.

    You can even use your imagination. With it, your mind will be less drifted towards this person or anything else. ie; When your eyes are closed, its all blacked out. Mentally/using your visualization, draw the numbers while counting them or use a mental white chalk and write it on the black screen in front of your eyes.

    OR

    ii. You will suddenly realize that your numbers are wrong.

    If you remember the number where you went wrong, then start with that else you can begin from 100.

    OR

    iii. You will reach the number 1.

    If so, Repeat the exercise again.

    OR

    iv. You will go off to sleep.

    You will not even know the number when you went off to sleep if you try to remember the next day morning.

    I can guarantee that you will go off to sleep.

    Do let me know your progress on your sleep starting tonight.

     

    Best Regards,

    ~VJ

    #176511
    Wanderlust16
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I’ve no trouble falling asleep, usually within minutes of turning off the light.  If I was angry I’d not be able to fall asleep initially. You’re correct in that once I’m awake my mind automatically wanders to questioning his behavior – going over events that occurred, trying to analyze how someone supposedly cared so much can abandon that person without as much as a word. I consider myself to be a pretty peaceful person. I’ve not even gotten so mad at someone that my heart is racing. The anger I feel sometimes is mostly toward me, for not able to stop thinking about it. I don’t regret the time we spent together. I enjoyed my time with him. If he had deviated (any hints of flakiness) I would have picked it up. There was none, therefore, I know he also truly enjoyed my company and shared his authentic self with me.

    I’ve not heard him speaking negatively about anyone. He spoke highly of his exes and is still very close to both. Both exes are married but he continues to meet one ex regularly so that could be a reason why he’s holding back from me. He brought her up various times and lit up when he saw her name on a shirt. He also told me that we’d never have met if she and him had wanted the same things. He claimed he broke up with her over 5 years ago. I’m not sure if he brought her up to make me jealous or still has feeling for her – having a fantasy relationship with her in his head to prevent from getting too serious with anyone. This is a big red flag to me.

    With us, we shared an extremely intense chemistry. I mentioned before I don’t find him particularly attractive in terms of looks but there’s some force beyond my understanding at work that magnetically pulled us together. The strong emotion and intensity left me very uncomfortable and I’m sure he felt the same. Here we were, barely knew each other yet experienced the intense emotion and passion was unsettling for people not used to it.  When the ‘love’ hormones is released, women want to bond, whereas men want to retreat to the man cave if they’re uncomfortable and that is what I think happened.  This time I retreated knowing how he had been in the past because it was excruciating to be waiting around without acknowledging my emails, especially in the digital age where it takes seconds to respond. He probably didn’t want to treat me ‘special’ because we were not in a relationship.  I realized this relationship aroused considerable anxiety in him, which caused him to react by hurtful withdrawals.  I feel sympathetic toward the trapped spirit within him and I’ve forgiven him. I just wish I could put this behind sooner rather than later.   Posting here is cathartic!  I thank you for taking your time to help me and the others.

    #176513
    Wanderlust16
    Participant

    Dear VJ,

    Thank you for your tips. I’ll try it if I wake up.  I’ll will also try to break the karmic link  – it doesn’t matter where in the world we live, the force finds us. I met mine thousands of miles away from home and we don’t speak the same languages. He speaks some English.

    I’m grateful that he has been respecting my boundary by not contacting me. The silence treatment gives me time to formulate my thoughts and also to put everything in prospective.  I’m certain that I’ll not go back to the same pattern. Changes take time and people like him resist changes. By recognizing this, it’ll be easier to walk away even if my heart feel differently.  As much as we hate the silence sometimes, it’s the best ammunition to have to prepare for the next step.

    #176531
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Wanderlust16:

    You are welcome and thank you for your words of appreciation.

    You wrote in your last post to me: “once I’m awake my mind automatically wanders to questioning his behavior – going over events that occurred, trying to analyze how someone supposedly cared so much can abandon that person without as much as a word. I consider myself to be a pretty peaceful person…”

    I can’t imagine there not being hurt and anger in the italicized thought you expressed (italicized by me). It is clearly evident to me. Is it not to you?

    Reads to me that in your mostly successful quest to be a peaceful person, you go maybe a bit too far in that you deny the understandable hurt and anger toward him, just a bit?

    anita

    #176601
    Wanderlust16
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I don’t feel that I’m denying my hurt and anger toward him. When I catch myself feeling hurt/angry, I remind myself that I played an active role in it and that I was warned.  I don’t want to stay angry all the time. It robs me of my peace.   I try to accept it for what it is and hopefully memory of him will fade.  Each morning I write down the things I’m grateful for and set my intentions for the day.  Most days I’d say I feel great 90% of the time.  What do you suggest I do?   I start to look at the situation as we were nothing more than FWB.  In this scenario I should not have any  expectations.    The last two nights I slept great and today was the first time I stopped checking my email.  I don’t check it as often as I used to but today I had no desire to. I’m not going to give this event any more power over me.

    #176615
    VJ
    Participant

    Hi Wanderlust16,

    Good to know that you will give a try to the sleep exercise and the energy healing technique. Yes it is true that the force will find us wherever we are, but then it becomes equally true that the energy within the force can be modified/healed from wherever we are and we need not go back into the situation or in front of the person to settle our karmic debt accounts thus creating harmony within self and others.

    “Energy is all there is” ~Albert Einstein

    Best Wishes,
    ~VJ

    • This reply was modified 7 years ago by VJ.
    #176623
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Wanderlust16:

    Reads to me that you are doing very well. Feeling great 90% of the time is wonderful and I think, exceptional. And you slept better recently. Setting the intention for the day- a great practice. Your thinking about this man and past relationship reads reasonable to me.

    anita

    #176781
    Wanderlust16
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I received an email from him today.  My heart was jumping out of my chest while I was trying to digest it. It was shocking that I was experiencing the abnormal heart rhythms. I can rule out that I don’t need to go see a cardiologist!  I was not angry but confused why he reached out after all this time. He asked  how I’m doing and hoped that I found peace.  He also told me that his mood is not great due to the weather. Then he went on to thank me for the wonderful times we shared and referenced a few funny events that occurred in a flirtatious manner. He made sure he made enough nice comments to solicit a response – not to say that he didn’t mean what he said.  Why three months later! I’m numb and don’t know what to say. I can’t leave it unanswered as peace is what I seek and we both deserve closure.

    #176795
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Wanderlust16:

    When you wrote “I can’t leave it unanswered”, you mean his reason for contacting you three months later, correct? The closure you want, is the understanding of his motivation?

    I am often curious about people’s motivations. I don’t know if he needs closure though. You do.

    Are you wondering about his motivation and is that the closure you seek?

    anita

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