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    Gavin
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    Hi peeps, This is my first forum posting and I’d firstly like to say thank you to all those of you whose blog entries I’ve had a chance to read.. There have been some wonderful, heartening examples of compassion, empathy and determination!

    My thought which I would like to posit is this; There is a lot of talk of expressing and developing self love before you might necessarily be in the right place to truly offer another person an honest, loving symbiosis. Then there are also thoughts and experiences of loving relationships, along with a lot of regard for what might constitute a successful relationship, and tons of valuable advice on best ways to conduct such matters. I’m wondering about any thoughts regarding reconciliation between the two positions of self love and loving another. If you seek to engage in a relationship are you not still looking outwardly to complete something which you should be able to satiate yourself, or is this another part of the love puzzle I’m either missing, looking at too shallow or have yet to embrace? Are we just faced with something we would call the human condition, a necessary piece of compassion which is unavoidable when feelings of love overwhelm us?

    #49523
    Matt
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    Gavin,

    Consider that self love isn’t something we produce in a vacuum, such as going into a cave to find “the thing” that gives us the ability to connect with others in a loving way. Rather its a continual tending, such as learning to nurture yourself in or out of a relationship. When we get in habits of self nurturing, we become less agitated, hungry. This lets our connection with a partner to be two whole beings sharing time and each other, rather than two people completing missing components in each other.

    From another direction, consider that meditative practice isn’t just about our butt on a cushion, our mind tending our breath. Rather, meditation builds a stability that is challenged as we get up from the cushion, and the goal becomes keeping our mindfulness as we reengage with the world. In a similar fashion, self love is challenged by our connection with others, producing growth and change that helps us. For instance, we might consider ourselves stable and peaceful, but what happen to that peace when our wife eats the last bit of cherry crumble? Or when our boyfriend flirts with the waiter? Or when our girlfriend sleeps with an ex? These help produce a deeper fertility to our practice, which deepens our mindfulness and compassion.

    Said differently, consider self love to be a warmth we have for ourselves that helps prevent other people’s actions from being about “us”, entangling us, and collapsing our patience. For instance, “Why won’t you listen to me” arises as “oh, she is focused on her stuff right now, I’ll set my news down, and join her side, and explore her space.” In this way, we become equanimitous, which makes relationships less contentious… less a struggle of met and unmet needs.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #49943
    Gavin
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    Nice words Matt! Thank you for your thoughts and insight. It’s true that relationships are about parallel courses of loving support and nurturing as opposed to “using” one another to “plug any gaps”, as it were. This is something I understand well (though I do wonder, possibly to my detriment, whether a given, potential girlfriend would understand this too?), but I suppose I was wondering for my own mind how one might approach the essence of such principles and teachings when they seem to lead you down a path which appears to make one aware that such a close, loving relationship may be undesirable, though I have since read a few pieces on the web detailing matters of intimacy and emotional closeness, and the general consensus seems to be that it’s simply a part to be handled, knowing full well that life IS suffering. Ergo you would simply best embrace it all and deal with it, akin to consciously deciding to have a few drinks, knowing that you will get tipsy, but also being aware enough to mitigate your drinking to a point where you’re aware of your actions, consequences and able to deal calmly with everything.

    Peace, love and good happiness stuff *^^*

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