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  • #177579
    Gagan
    Participant

    The anxiety is kicking in again. omg. i can’t believe how mentally weak i feel right now. My brain is getting fried. please pray for me. This thing is eating away at me!

    #177611
    Gagan
    Participant

    Dear Eliana, and Dear Anita,

    I’m feeling a little better again, but I had a question –

    Am I a bad person for doing what I did?

    Is my “mistake” from a good place in my heart or a bad one?

    Basically, am I a bad person in general who doesn’t deserve to be with someone amazing? I’m just trying to figure out who I am!

    g

     

    #177627
    Eliana
    Participant

    Hi Gagan,

    No, you are not a bad person at all, rather someone who seems very down to earth, open, kind, sensitive, loving and caring. Any woman would be lucky to have you. You just were not ready for a relationship at that time of your life. It might have been for a variety of reasons. Maybe because there is someone out there more suited for you, and even more amazing. Maybe because you had other priorities. But you didn’t make a mistake, and you are not a bad person. You sound like you treated her with love, kindness and the utmost respect, and in the end that is what really matters. It just wasn’t the right time.

    #177659
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Gagan:

    In your last post you asked: “am I a bad person in general”? I don’t have enough information to determine that, to give you my answer to that. What I did learn recently, not earlier than Nov 8, page 7 of your thread, is that you lie and that you do so habitually.

    To lie means that a person states something he or she knows is untrue.

    Why would a person lie on a website, posting anonymously, for what reason, one may ask. In your case, I believe, you lie because you are in the habit of lying. It is business-as-usual for you, an every day way of living, and so, you didn’t make an exception to it here.

    On Nov 8 you wrote: “I wrote all that crap to dump my bad decision onto her…I was angry at her for not coming back to me. I said some things that were exaggerated”

    As if the fact that you had a motivation to lie (“to dump my bad decision onto her”) makes it okay to have lied. And, as if, the fact that you were angry made it okay to lie.

    You kept the same lie going for pages while I kept asking you about it. Finally you admitted that lie, but you didn’t call it a lie, you called it an exaggeration, and you pointed it out that the lie was “true to some degree”. These are your efforts to minimize your lie.

    To exaggerate means to magnify beyond the limits of truth; overstate. Problem is you went way beyond the limits of the truth. Way beyond the limit of the truth is a lie, not an exaggeration.

    But that particular lie, that she expressed to you throughout the few years relationship that she was always right and that you were always in the wrong, was not the only lie. Let’s look at how you express your feelings throughout your thread: “My heart sank to the bottom of an eternal ocean…my heart is tearing apart into a million pieces…It’s a feeling of a thousand elephants on my chest… My chest hurts every waking second. There’s a mountain on my chest and mind every second…every day, every thing, every season, every picture, every smell, every taste, every little part of my life today reminds me of her…Omg, I can’t breathe… My chest is heavy. So heavy….The pain is unbearable!…omg… My brain is getting fried. please pray for me. This thing is eating away at me!”

    You exaggerated your feelings. Of course, no one knows how it feels to have one’s heart tear “into a million pieces” vs a hundred pieces, or ten, or … just two. And no one knows how it feels to have “a thousand elephants” on one’s chest. No one can live and tell about having … just one elephant on one’s chest. Or a mountain. And you did breath, and the pain was bearable, and your brain didn’t get fried.

    Is this only a style of expression or are these lies… one may ask. I think it is both, a style and lies. The motivation is: look at me! Look at me! See me suffer!

    Your focus is not on your suffering, it is on the audience. It is on who you are expressing yourself to. And so, you focus on making the largest impact, producing the maximum affect in the audience.

    Your social grace, politeness, ingratiating behavior as expressed in this thread is not authentic.

    What are the other lies: the woman this thread is about, a roommate, probably exists, but the relationship probably was not as intimate as you described, she may have been just a roommate all along and the change lately is that she is about to get married.

    You probably didn’t break up with the other women in your past, as you claimed.

    You have expressed to her your suffering over her arranged marriage, again and again, telling her how much you suffer, using the same words, most likely, as you have used here. And that is probably the reason why she came to see you, worried about you. This is probably why she hung up the phone on you, tired of your going on and on and on about your suffering.

    I may post again later, more thoughts perhaps.

    anita

     

     

     

     

     

    #177661
    Gagan
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for your insight. I won’t deny most of it. But I will tell you that the relationship was intimate and there were other women where similar situations arose.

    I might be a habitual liar. I wasn’t aware of it. I will introspect. In the meantime, I will appreciate if you could give me some guidance on how to be better. I do not want to spend my life the way it is. I do not want to be a sycophantic.

    You made me feel like a monster, but I will accept your words with grace because you also comforted me when I needed you. I was not exaggerating the feelings I was feeling. In my opinion, this is what happened – I did not value her when she was with me. I only knew of her value when she was gone and when it was too late. It is a regret that I will have to live with. I was in pain of regret and I lied. Yes, I did. It does not make it okay to lie no matter the circumstances, so I admit my fault there. I’m sorry.

    Please post your additional thoughts. I find this conversation eye opening.

    g

    #177665
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Gagan:

    You wrote: “I might be a habitual liar. I wasn’t aware of it. I will introspect” and you asked for my guidance about “how to be better”-

    For me to attempt guiding you, I need you to do that introspection you mentioned. You wrote that you might be a habitual liar. Well, are you?

    anita

     

    #177667
    Gagan
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I have been told by some friends that I exaggerate my feelings. But I never believed them until you brought it up as well. I think I do sometimes lie. Perhaps habitually as well. I do not like conflict. I do not like to fight. So, I would rather say something that the other person wants to hear so I do not have to be confrontational. I very often apologize to people that I do not like just so that they do not walk out on me or argue with me. One of the examples is one of my current friends. We have been friends for long, but recently in the past 4-5 years, I came to know that he doesn’t always have the best interest of the other person. But, to mitigate my loneliness, I would very often just praise him falsely so he remains in my life. I have also been told by friends that I am overdramatic. Again, true. I think I make everything into a dramatic event.

    But that is not to say that I faked my feelings for her. Those were genuine. I loved her (still do) with every molecule of my body (notice the dramatic use of words).  But I can’t help it. I just received a snapchat from her just now that says “Adios Philly”. It is creating a sinking feelings in my chest – a hollowness and pain. I do not know how else to describe it.

    Everything boils down to this – I regret letting her go for no reason whatsoever. I literally had no reason to let her go besides that I was too blind to see the future together. Again, not exaggerating. I feel like I made a huge mistake and that I will never find someone like her. – not even close. She is wonderful.

    g

    #177671
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Gagan:

    You wrote: ” I do not like conflict. I do not like to fight. So, I would rather say something that the other person wants to hear so I do not have to be confrontational’-

    are you then agreeing with me, somewhat, that you may be a habitual liar so to not have a conflict with me, so to not be confrontational?

    What do you really believe: that you are an honest man with a tendency toward the dramatics, that is all?

    anita

    #177689
    Gagan
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Yes, I know I am an honest person, but I overreact and overthink. This whole regret as well stems from such bad habits. Instead of simply excepting my feelings for her, I overcomplicated the things. It was really simple – She loved me tremendously and I loved her tremendously. I let it all go for no reason. In this case, I was just impulsive. Had I thought it all through, I would have not let her go. I make everything in my life into a drama. I hate that about myself. That is probably the reason I am single and miserable at 29.

    But, I do not want to be this person. I want to grow and be happy so I can accept the next person that walks into my life.

    Please help!

    g

    #177691
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Gagan:

    To attempt to help you, I need to understand better: in the relationship with this woman, then, you said anything to her so to avoid confrontations, correct?

    If so, give me a couple of examples of the things you told her to avoid confrontations: one example of a trivial nature, something small; and the other of a serious nature, something big.

    anita

    #177695
    Gagan
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Yes, in the relationship, I would avoid confrontation by apologizing over the little things, like –

    “I’m sorry I did not spend more time with you.” – even though I knew I had other priorities at that time.

    “I’m sorry I did not come help you with the oil change.” – I was actually mad because this was such a small thing that she could have done herself but she got mad at me for saying no to her. In the hindsight, I could have been more understanding though.

    Sometimes, she would act childish, and I would have to just bear it because I did not want to fight with her. In the hindsight though, I miss those times.

    I can’t remember anything major at this time, maybe because there wasn’t anything major or serious or too big because we did not actually name our relationship as gf/bf.

    All in all, in the relationship, there was nothing that wasn’t easily workable. I just wasn’t in the mindset to accept her. It might be because of my other priorities in life. As I mentioned earlier, I was and still going through another issue in my life. It has been over a year and half that the issue came to surface. I can’t discuss it online, but I will tell you that the issue was a life-altering situation that is still ongoing. Over these past year and a half, I went through depression, as well as weight loss, sleep loss, hairloss, appetite loss. I am still suffering from that. I might have made a different decision if I was otherwise happy in my life. Since, other aspects of my life weren’t that good, I subconsciously drove everything away that wasn’t a priority.

    That’s the regret part – I should have made her my priority.

    g

    #177741
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gagan:

    I re-read and studied all your posts on this thread. This is my understanding:

    To live Truthfully means to live in accordance with Reality. When you live untruthfully, you feel lost and confused. You have lived untruthfully for many, many years and so, you are lost and confused. Truth is a Guide in life, and you don’t have that guide.

    Without Truth, you find yourself saying things and doing things and you don’t know why (“She asked me whether it would work out, and I always told her that it wouldn’t (I had no reason to say that)…she met another guy. I fully supported herI wish I had the answer to ‘why and how……I did not know what was happening. I still do not know what really happenedWhat is happening?What is happening?…I do not know what I’m doing!”)

    Without Truth, same things happen again and again, you don’t know why and you learn nothing (“about 8 years ago when I broke off with my gf at that time and she was getting married –much similar to what is happening now. I felt pretty similar to what I am feeling now. Then later once again, the same events occurred. I broke off both those times…Situations like these happened to (me) multiple times, where I took a decision and then backtracked and then again went that direction…I cry, I regret, and then find myself living a lonely life. It has happened over and over and over again, not just with the relationships, but friendships as well”).

    Without Truth, you don’t know if you can trust another or not (“She could be manipulating me as well. I’m not sure”), if a person is right or wrong at any time (“Made me think that she was always right. She still says that she is always right”).

    As to why you haven’t been truthful: you don’t value being truthful. What you do value is getting along with people, avoiding confrontations with people and keeping people in our life. You do not stop to consider whether what you are about to say or do is truthful or not. If it will promote getting along, you will say or do it. If it may cause a confrontation, a disagreement of some kind, you will not say or do it.

    You are not a habitual liar, you are a habitual non discriminator of Truth vs. Lie. In other words, you habitually do not consider whether something is true or not. It doesn’t matter to you.

    You wrote: “I do not like conflict. I do not like to fight. So, I would rather say something that the other person wants to hear so I do not have to be confrontational. I very often apologize to people that I do not like just so that they do not walk out on me or argue with me…to mitigate my loneliness, I would very often just praise (a friend) falsely so he remains in my life“- you say things you believe the other person wants to hear, not what is true to you. You apologize not because you believe you did something wrong, but so to keep the person in your life.

    Again, Truth is of no relevance to you. It is not what you value. What you value is getting along, avoiding confrontations, keeping people in your life.

    Unfortunately for you, without the truth you end up in conflict, distress, alone and lonely.

    I agree with you that you “overcomplicated the things …make everything in (your) life into a drama”-

    Being truthful, to yourself and to others, would be simplifying your life. Being untruthful is this over-complication and drama that characterize your life.

    I have no idea who your ex roommate/ girlfriend was or is. I don’t think you know either because you did not have a truthful relationship with her. I don’t think you had the opportunity to learn whether she admits fault or not because you always apologized. How would you know… how would you know anything about her other than how it felt when she cooked for you or cuddled with you.

    Not living truthfully, all you go by is feelings, how you feel. This is pleasant… this is unpleasant. How do I feel better… help me to feel better…!

    anita

    #177757
    Gagan
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I thank you from the bottom of my heart for spending so much time in reading, researching, thinking and writing to give me clear picture of the issue. That is so kind of you.

    After reading your post, I researched a bit more about what was going on, and why am I the way I am. I mean, I wasn’t born to be this way. Certain things in the past might have happened that triggered it all.

    All in all, you’re absolutely right. I have been driving myself with the help of just feelings in the past decade and even before that. I never paused and be practical. Things I have learnt –

    1. I’m a procrastinator – be it relationships, work or school

    2. I believe I might be addicted to unhappiness and misery. After researching on the web a little, I realized that sometimes people are afraid to be happy. So, in my case, even though she made me incredibly happy, I was never in the moment, and thought to myself that this was all temporary. This might have stemmed from my experience from years ago. Several years ago, I was living with some folks and always felt miserable and unhappy but I had to live with them because I had nowhere else to go. Since then, those unhappy moments never left my mind. Could it be that I became so comfortable being unhappy that my mind and body yearn for that unhappiness? After all, if I was getting so much love and attention from this lady, why would I let her go?  Other that the fact that I wasn’t true to myself or to her about the reality of the situation. I’m not sure.

    3. As a child, I was very intelligent and got addicted to parents and other praising me for always being the first in class. My parents and others had huge expectations from me, and I sometimes would feel miserable doing what they wanted me to so I could make them happy.  I could never say no to anyone in fear of them not liking me. In a way, I became addicted to misery to gain approval from others. Could that be somehow connected to my current state of mind?

    4. In the last several years, I did not get what I wanted out of life. I wanted to do so many things but there has always been obstacles that prevented me from living my true self, so I relaxed into some comfort and laziness to tackle what I couldn’t change and tried to be patient to get what I wanted. For example, in the back of my mind, I have always wanted to be someone who people admired, someone who had amazing stories to tell, someone who is incredible. These unrealistic expectation from myself made me dissatisfied because I could not attain any of them for several reasons – laziness, procrastination, unrealistic expectations.

    So, in a way, I was never in the present moment and always looked at my shortcomings and the things I did not achieve in life, instead of focusing on great things that I received and those which I chose to comfortably ignore. Honestly, there was not even a single reason for me to let her go, other than “indifference towards her”. But when she left, I felt the void. Perhaps, the reality was that I was so happy with her, but my mind is addicted to unhappiness that I punished myself. How true is that?

    If time allows you, can you please see a trend that might be more helpful in letting me free of this nagging pain? I am beginning to see a pattern here, but it will be more helpful if you could jump in to provide your analysis of it.

    g

    #177763
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gagan:

    You wrote: “Could it be that I became so comfortable being unhappy that my mind and body yearn for that unhappiness?”- no, I don’t think so. The earliest instinct of any animal, humans included, is to move away from pain/ distress. It is distressing to stay the way you are, correct? But it is also distressing to change. Here is the key: we tend to stay in the distress we are used to (staying the way we are) so to not experience the distress we are not used to (changing).

    And so, it is avoiding the distress of changing, not the attraction to distress that motivates you.

    You wrote: “I became addicted to misery to gain approval from others… my mind is addicted to unhappiness that I punished myself. How true is that?”- I don’t think you got addicted to misery. I think you got addicted to gaining approval from others. As humans/ animals, we move away from distress, from displeasure and toward pleasure (others’ approval).

    I don’t think you can stop caring about gaining approval from others. I think you can stop paying such a high price to get such approval: losing yourself for approval, not being truthful so to gain that approval.

    anita

    #177771
    Gagan
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for everything. It has been an eye-opening experience for me.

    Yes, you’re right in saying that I want to get out of this distress, but my mind is resisting the change it requires to get out of it. I had the perfect opportunity to get out of it by being with her, but I chose to stay in the misery to avoid the distress of a married life. Omg, it all makes sense now. I am afraid to get married – afraid of getting tied down. I can’t believe I let her go because I was afraid of getting married even though she was everything I ever wanted in a wife. I could have married my best friend.

    I won’t make this mistake again, but how do I move past this regret? Any practical suggestion?

    g

     

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