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July 22, 2017 at 9:29 am #159588AnonymousGuest
Dear Scott:
I want to fine tune my question about your sensitivity as a child: do you believe that you were born overly sensitive and that is why you were affected as you have by your mother/ father/ step father (before relationships with peers/ others)?
anita
July 22, 2017 at 9:39 am #159590ScottParticipantDear Anita,
I think it is reasonable to say that I was born overly sensitive, as I’ve always paid attention to the finer things in life in great detail. I’ve always been a thinker and analyzer too, if that says anything. I think my sensitivity made it hard to get the relationship I desired as a child from my mother/father/stepfather/stepmothers. Anxiety runs in the family on my mother’s side, and I know my father has dealt with depression throughout his life, and I know that he tends to be able to focus on one thing.. could this be inferring he has some sort of brain chemical deficiency or OCD?
Scott
July 22, 2017 at 9:55 am #159598AnonymousGuestDear Scott:
I believe that everyone is born sensitive to danger, not only humans but animals. You can see it in nature. Many millions of people all over the world suffer from anxiety. Experiences a child has affect brain chemistry and brain chemistry affects experience, it is a two-way ongoing interaction.
Most likely, you were not born more sensitive than most other babies. Most likely, you became sensitive following certain experiences. Anxiety runs in families because it runs in society, everywhere. Most often, anxiety runs more in certain families because children become anxious when their parents are anxious, not because of genes or an inborn brain deficiency.
anita
July 22, 2017 at 10:10 am #159602ScottParticipantDear Anita,
I can see what you mean as our anxiety in us human beings relates back to a biological drive in nature. We are programmed for fight or flight, some provoked more than others due to our encounters. I would agree that much of the anxiety we obtain comes from the anxiety of our parents and through the altering of our brain chemistry in our childhood experiences. I don’t believe that I was born overly anxious, just that I had the experiences to force my brain to alter itself in a way to protect me from danger. I have discovered this anxiety, as it surfaced a couple of years ago in its worst form, and I had to deal with it. Anxiety never goes away, it just changes shape and form. As of right now, it is latched onto my relationship, and has been before.
In terms of evaluating my emotions, how do I develop a base or set of guidelines for my uncalibrated emotions and perceptions? When is danger, danger? When is happy, really happy? Sometimes I have to think about what I’m feeling and maybe that leads me to confusion of my emotions, because I had to change my emotions as a child to present them in a way my parents would accept.
Scott
July 22, 2017 at 10:35 am #159606AnonymousGuestDear Scott:
Anxiety never goes away, you wrote, and it is true, not by itself. If we are engaged in a process of healing though, it does diminish over time. Otherwise, as you know, we get breaks, vacations from it, until the next time it presents itself. The experience of it is biochemical: neurotransmitters, hormones, physiological processes like increased heart beat, constriction of blood vessels, changes in visual and auditory perceptions (getting a tunnel vision, sounds are experiences as louder than otherwise), and so on.
I agree that you were most likely, not “born overly anxious, just that I had the experiences to force my brain to alter itself in a way to protect me from danger”, and that “As of right now, it is latched onto my relationship, and has been before”.
You asked: “In terms of evaluating my emotions… When is danger, danger?”- when there is an imminent and present danger, such as a car is driving fast toward you, a tree is falling in your direction (I live in a wooded area), a person is pointing a gun at you, a big predator is in front of you.
“When is happy, really happy?”- depending what you mean by happy: joy/ pleasure or peaceful contentment.
You wrote: “I had to change my emotions as a child to present them in a way my parents would accept”- what do you mean by it?
* will soon be awayfrom the computer
anita
July 22, 2017 at 10:49 am #159614ScottParticipantDear Anita,
I guess when I speak in terms of danger, how can one evaluate when there is a problem within a relationship? At what point does the other person decide to pull away, to lose interest, or to change their mind? As you can see there are different levels of anxiety for me, ranging from the possibility of loss (a more passive anxiety) to the intrusive thoughts and feelings of sadness/sickness felt (more intense anxiety). Am I thinking too much about my relationship, creating too many “what ifs”, because I thought I would lose love for simple mistakes in the past? Or is it the fact that I’m trying to control something I didn’t have control over as a child? I know in my right mind that things are okay, but part of me is acting different, emotionally. I’m seeing how I withdraw my positive emotions and communication from my girlfriend as a way of building back my confidence and hoping she will realize I want her to put in her effort too. It’s not that my girlfriend is necessarily doing something she knows as “wrong”, but for me to be the one to fix things, and always contact her first, and say the most, it starts to overwhelm me. You can see how these different thoughts are cycling through.
Scott
July 22, 2017 at 10:52 am #159616ScottParticipantAnita,
When I say I had to change my emotions, I guess I used to pretend a lot that things were okay when they really weren’t until I couldn’t hold it in anymore.
Also, it’s easy for me to think in black and white because I want to convey a message to my girlfriend that she will respond to but I also don’t want a negative reaction from her, if that makes sense. I want to communicate my needs, but don’t want the criticism of “why do you care about that stuff, why does it matter” and my answer to that being “because were in a relationship and were supposed to communicate and both put effort in”.
July 22, 2017 at 11:03 am #159618AnonymousGuestDear Scott:
You wrote: “when I speak in terms of danger, how can one evaluate when there is a problem within a relationship?”-
there is no danger for you in your relationship with your girlfriend. And this is the point, again: you are not in real and imminent danger in regard to your relationship with your girlfriend. It only feels this way.
I will explain: for a young fawn, a baby deer, he/she is in real and imminent danger if his mother disappears. If she disappears from his life, abandons him, or consumed by a predator, then the fawn has no way to feed himself and is an easy prey.
We humans are animals, evolved from animals. We carry the same instincts. A child is as afraid to lose his mother as an fawn. A child doesn’t know that there are social services and he can be taken care by a foster home. A child knows what a fawn knows: no mother means death.
Now, since you are an adult, can feed yourself etc., you don’t need your girlfriend for your survival. And so, if she breaks up with you, you are not in danger. It only feels this way because it is the danger that you felt as a child, fearing the loss of your mother, that is being reactivated.
anita
July 22, 2017 at 12:43 pm #159624ScottParticipantDear Anita,
While I realize there is not an actual imminent danger, something that could hurt me or kill me, I feel like there is always something to lose. So, in me saying I don’t want to lose the relationship, is this because I’m programmed to be scared because of my childhood or is it because I actually just value the relationship? And if I’m scared because I value the relationship a lot, not wanting someone else, is the amount of worrying I’m doing normal or the type that I’m doing?
One of the most troubling things I am noticing is the urge to put up a front. I want to change, I want to not have the anxiety, but I feel like in order to do this, I have to act different with/towards my girlfriend. There’s a part of me that wants her attention, for her to see that I don’t care about certain things, that I won’t react when she mentions something about another guy that – in my mind – I immediately think the worst case scenario. I’m definitely thinking in terms of the worst things that could happen in this relationship, and while I understand I’ll always be okay no matter what, it’s hard to balance out my emotions and how I show them to my girlfriend.
Scott
July 23, 2017 at 5:04 am #159650AnonymousGuestDear Scott:
Anxiety is the repeating experience of fear in the absence of danger. Again, there is no danger to you if the relationship with your girlfriend ends.
Try and let this sentence sink in: there is no danger to you if this relationship ends.
You wrote: “there is always something to lose” – correct. And anxious people fear losing all kinds of things. After all, a person can become fearful if their favorite TV show is cancelled on a particular night. Or if the person thinks: what if my show is cancelled! Does it sound ridiculous to you? Not to the person experiencing the fear. You can try to talk to that person, to tell him there is no danger here, but he feels the fear and fear is convincing.
Anxious people, most evident with people suffering from OCD, fear their thoughts. A thought itself is experienced as danger (I may lose my TV show, or I may lose my girlfriend). Thoughts are not dangerous. Neither are feelings, and so, fearing a thought and fearing a feeling is what anxiety is about: repeating, ongoing fear in the absence of danger.
You asked:”is the amount of worrying I’m doing normal or the type that I’m doing?” – the amount of your worrying is normal for an anxious person and not, for a person who is not anxious.
If you experienced a safe childhood, and not the fearful childhood that you did experience, you would not be anxious now.
If your aim is to heal from your present anxiety: individual work is one way. The other is directing your behavior when you communicate with her. If you don’t act fearfully in communication with her, you will, over time, weaken the fear. You can make a specific list of your fearful behaviors with her and make it an objective to no longer behave in those ways.
anita
July 23, 2017 at 9:04 am #159702ScottParticipantDear Anita,
I can see how fear drives behavior in a way that someone else would consider crazy. I’ve experienced it myself and I’ve seen it in other people. The other thing I realize is that I do react fearfully to my thoughts and when I try to express these “crazy” concerns, my girlfriend is often not understanding, but this is exactly how anxiety presents itself. I know for a fact I do have a degree of OCD because my thoughts can be enough to scare me when thinking about scenarios with my girlfriend. I did speak to my mother about increasing my dose of anti-depressants or changing medicines, maybe even getting something for the short term or when anxiety is overwhelming.
My problem is thinking of things that I fear, and believing they have potential to happen. It’s difficult to separate anxious and inaccurate thoughts from normal and realistic thoughts. I do know that I’m going to have a serious conversation with my girlfriend about our behaviors towards each other, in reaction to fear or not meeting expectations, because I’m under a lot of stress as is with my schoolwork and future.
Scott
July 23, 2017 at 11:14 am #159742AnonymousGuestDear Scott:
OCD like other defined disorders exist on a continuum and your symptoms are indeed on that OCD continuum. Are you on SSRI antidepressants? For how long? And are you considering an anti anxiety drug, for the short term?
You wrote: ” It’s difficult to separate anxious and inaccurate thoughts from normal and realistic thoughts”- this is what Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) is about. You can get a good book/ workbook on CBT, with exercises you can do. The principle of it is correcting our thinking. By doing so, or as I say, fitting our thinking with reality, our feelings automatically improve.
I think it is a good idea to have a serious conversation with your girlfriend. Indicate to her specifically what behaviors you would like her to change, as long as it is reasonable on your part. You can negotiate certain things with her. For example, the time between you texting her and her responding to you. You can suggest an hour limit, ask her if she thinks it is reasonable, get her input and together decide on a time limit.
anita
July 23, 2017 at 11:57 am #159748ScottParticipantDear Anita,
I would agree with that statement. I’m currently on 100 mg of Zoloft, which I’ve been taking for nearly 3 years now. However, it seems as if the medicine has lost it’s ability to slow me down in times of anxious thinking. I know how antidepressants work, obviously no short term effects are felt, but over time and with adjustment to my life, physical health and such; I think it would be beneficial to up the dose and possibly get some benzodiazepines for times of extreme anxiety involving school, lots of tests and studying, and the ongoing OCD I already may have.
I have done some CBT before and it does indeed help to trace back your cycle of thinking, feelings, behavior and outcomes. If there are some free CBT worksheets I could do, that may be helpful just to write out my thinking and identify where I’m being unrealistic.
I think so too. I don’t want her to change as a person, but some of the behaviors must change in order to relieve some of my anxiety and allow for me to continue on my journey towards success. As I mentioned before, and you responded to, I think she just doesn’t like to do a lot of thinking because it annoys her to be annoyed and she would rather escape the problem solving. However, if I can calmly communicate my needs and triggers to her, I think she’ll be able to understand what affects me, and if in the near future things do not change, I will have to move on because I have a lot more school down the road for my profession.
Scott
July 24, 2017 at 5:01 am #159818AnonymousGuestDear Scott:
I was on Zoloft for about 17 years. I was prescribed it for the purpose of relieving my obsessive thinking- that was my main trouble at the time. I felt it worked back then, that it was like a pair of scissors cutting of the chains of obsessive thinking. I liked it so much that I had the psychiatrist up the dose to 400 mg per day. After years of that, he lowered it to 300 mg per day following some research results about a higher dose causing seizures. I was also on Clonazepam (Klonipin) which is a benzodiazepine for all those years, mostly 4 mg per day.
Looking back, my function in life did not improve whatsoever during those seventeen years. As a matter of fact, it got worse. My life circumstances got worse. But I did experience relief of subjective distress and there is the Placebo Effect, of course. I can share more about my individual experience with these and other drugs, if you’d like. But different individuals react differently and psychiatrists’ strategy is that of trial-and-error: try this, up it, how do you feel…more? less? something else…
Regarding your girlfriend, do communicate, come to agreements, and hold her accountable to what she agrees to do, as in the example I gave. If she doesn’t, you will have to move on. Really, there is no danger to you if the relationship ends, no matter how you feel about it. Neither the feeling nor the situation of that relationship ending is dangerous.
Your “journey towards success” is most important. It is a journey that requires much work and patience, lots and lots of patience. The process, the journey cannot be rushed. Take care of yourself in different areas: drugs if necessary, for relief, short term, I hope (particularly the benzodiazepines); CBT exercises/ therapy, being assertive in all relationships and selective of the people you interact with, choosing who is helpful and who is harmful to your well being. And please do post again, anytime. I will be glad to reply each and ever time you post.
anita
July 24, 2017 at 1:34 pm #159946ScottParticipantDear Anita,
I believe the Zoloft helps me to maintain a stable mood, as it helped me relieve a lot of anxiety in the past. I think that it slowed me down enough to help me realize what was real and what wasn’t. I don’t think it can keep up with new anxieties, however. Since I have this new anxiety about my relationship, and Zoloft (an antidepressant) works slowly, it’s hard to tell the difference as it’s more for stabilizing your mood by increasing serotonin. As of right now, I’m going to up the dose to 150 mg unless my doctor has another medication to try and I will also ask him about benzodiazepines because they are quick relief and sometimes I definitely need that. I can see that I have some OCD going on and there may be a better method or medicine for it.
I’d like to hear more about your individual experience because it’s probably good for you to talk about it and it helps me to see how your anxiety works, thus helping me separate out mine.
With my girlfriend, I plan to just keep present and handle problems as they arise. I’m realizing that she acts the way she does because she “thinks” I don’t like her or love her as much as I say I do and that I don’t want to talk to her. She has her doubts which lead to her acting differently. I’m a very understanding person, and I love to be kind and loving to her, but I think my OCD and anxiety, however you may call it, has left me depleted of energy and clear thinking.
Scott
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