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  • #100168
    mapnerd
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    I’ve been in a relationship for about a year and 3 three months with a guy I really love. But we have major differences in religious beliefs (he is Christian and I am agnostic/Buddhist); he’s Republican and I’m a Democrat; he’s more traditional and concerned with marriage and having children and I’ve never planned for either of those in my life. He also has a drinking problem. He’s still young in his mid-twenties so social drinking with his friends is still very much an activity in his life. But, he can rarely stop when he starts. He’ll be drunk by 10am some days and drink through an entire Sunday until he passes out on the couch. He’s admitted he has a problem but has taken no actions to remedy it, he just admits to it when things get bad enough but then totally disregards it after a week. Last night we finally had an explosive argument (he was drunk) and starting manipulating me to no end, making everything my fault, yelling, hitting his chest, and saying all kinds of very hurtful and erratic things. Then he switches gears and starts rubbing my back and trying to hold me. When he drinks his actions are extremely unstable, irrational, and ridiculous. He doesn’t see or think that it effects ME as well and gets incredibly defensive when I tell him I can’t do this anymore because of how much his drinking hurts me.

    I grew up with alcoholics and experienced some molestation from my dad when I was young. He knows that to some extent and uses it to tell me I HAVE THE PROBLEM and I’m taking my anger out on him from my past. He always calls me a victim and it drives into a total shutdown. I finally said I couldn’t do this anymore and he lost his mind. He said I was giving up on him and couldn’t stick by him to “help.” So, when do you walk away from someone you love dearly? When he’s sober things are amazing between us. I have felt like I would actually make a commitment to this person and perhaps consider marriage one day. I felt like I found a life partner. But when someone keeps hurting you from their own addictions or behavior, when is it time to say goodbye? My heart is breaking and I feel totally shut down from the situation. Any advice would be appreciated.

    #100169
    jim
    Participant

    if I was you! I would wait till he is sober! Tell him how you feel about him! Then tell him, if you are interested in making a life with me! Then you need to get some help for your drinking or I need to move on with my life! You don’t want to marry this guy with a drinking problem! Trust me! Good Luck! jim

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    #100186
    Anonymous
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    Dear mapnerd:

    My input: his drinking problem is a serious problem for you for as long as you are in a relationship with him. The good times in between his his drinking episodes, cannot make up for your misery when he drinks, can it? And don’t you get uptight, during the good times when he is not drinking, because you don’t know when he will drink next time?

    I would end the relationship with him ASAP. If you and him are interested in a future relationship when he deals with his drinking problem and is sober, then he either attends psychotherapy and you accompany him to couple sessions to talk about the possibility of a future relationship, or he attends AA, gets a sponsor, works the step and you accompany him to some of the AA meetings so to be part of his recovery before considering a relationship with him.

    anita

    #100193
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi mapnerd,

    This is what a wise minister said to my DH long ago when he had dated an alcoholic: “Sometimes people need little hurts”. When you leave and your (now ex) BF is confronted that it was HIM and the DRINKING and NOT you… Of course he will drink more that day, but ONE DAY all of those little hurts will add up, and THEN he will begin to think about fixing the problem.

    It’s BECAUSE you love him that you will break up with him. The how doesn’t matter. Just leave him. Today.

    Best,

    Inky

    #100199
    mapnerd
    Participant

    Hi All,

    Thanks so much for your responses. They’ve helped reinforce my decision to leave. It’s easy to always see the good in the person you love and that’s what I’ve been doing, because after all he IS a good, trustworthy person with a big heart. But his actions have really hurt me and he needs to learn from his behavior and finally deal with his drinking problem.

    I feel good today. But, I’m afraid it is almost like the calm before the storm, before grief really hits you. I’m trying my best to be in the present and not be scared for tomorrow, or next week or month. I think A LOT of people stay in unhealthy or unhappy relationships because they are scared for the future without that person. I admit I do it too. I’ve also found that when you face profound sadness, it is one of the only things that helps- is focusing on the present.

    #100200
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear mapnerd:

    The post above reads to me as very reasonable, written by a reasonable and realistic person. You feel good today and you know it will not last, that grief is on its way.

    You wrote that a lot of people stay in unhealthy/ unhappy relationships because they are scared. I agree. Fear is a motivator of the great majority of what people do, I strongly believe.

    About your fear of this being the calm before the storm: there is always some sort of storm, or bad weather coming in the future. A pleasantly warm, sunny day doesn’t last and last, there are always clouds to arrive in the future.

    Again, reasonable, realistic. Please post again when you feel good and when the clouds appear. Maybe tiny buddha can be a bit like a shelter from the rain when the storm hits hard…?

    anita

    #100210
    Laura
    Participant

    Hi, as a personal experience of being for 6 years the girlfriend of a non-active addict, I can tell you this: once an addict always an addict, it is harder to leave down the line, and there is nothing you can do to help him change, he has to change all on his own and for nobody’s sake but his. Leaving or standing by him, either way I suggest you get yourself to the closest al-anon chapter, they will help you deal with both being the daughter of an alcoholic and loving one. Best of luck to you, I know it is not an easy decicion, but being his punching bag (phisical or emotional) helps neither of you.

    #100231
    Gracy
    Participant

    You feel like no matter what you do, there is always some heart-testing conflict that makes this relationship never just stay happy. “Why can’t he just be easy?” you think, because you can have the most WONDERFUL times when he’s fine and sober. Why couldn’t he just want that too?? Where is the appeal in drinking over quality time with you? Even when he’s not drinking, things like not agreeing on values test the relation and make the whole thing feel like one big test of faith, a test of YOUR resolve because you feel responsible and committed to being the one person who is there when he isn’t strong enough.

    The first thing you need to do is realize that he isn’t going to change for years. Do you consider these the best years of your life? I say that because a lot of what he is doing is out of a lack of control. Avoiding blame, avoiding responsibility, admitting occasionally it is a problem but not worried about actively changing it because he already knows he has no control over it no matter how bad he wants it. He might only admit a problem in the first place, as an act to keep you around. If he can do just *one* significant enough thing, you’re so used to the worst that any kind of effort feels like a blessing and his attempt at hope for a future. You’re only looking for the best, out of the faith and pure love in your heart for him. But he isn’t doing anything, and that is the reality.

    He primarily tries to love on you after a bad argument as another outward act of inability to control himself. Since he can’t, he controls you. All people have some need of intimacy with another human being, but are you sure the BEST thing you can do with this life the good Lord has given you, is take care of an unreliable alcoholic? This test is put before you for a reason.

    If he loved you, would he care about you as much as he cared about himself? Well that level isn’t very much, because he can’t even help himself. He’s not going to ‘love’ you in the way of thinking you higher than him, so high that he must change. Only your ‘taking a break’ or leaving is going to fix that.

    But you’re afraid to leave, because all of the other problems in the relationship might contribute to a sense of permanence. You’re afraid to rock the boat, afraid of that break, afraid you’re “failing” some greater good you set out to do with him. I have something very important to tell you: If he cannot empathize that you were hurt in the worst of ways as an innocent child, and still throws the blame on you to avoid his own cowardly weakness, he is mentally sick.

    You can still love a mentally sick person, but in order to do that, you must realize there is something wrong with them and distance yourself from that. Don’t get involved and let their every short coming affect your heart as it is now. Take a step back, be the bigger person, make decisions for yourself, and if you two still get along, fine. If not, he’s not right for you, because darling it is -not- your job to try dragging him out of his hole. It is perfectly okay to try asking him to do it, to show support for his efforts, to be with him when he’s really trying.

    If he is not trying, it is not your job to suffer. Take a break from this relationship, tell him you will be ready to live together (are you strong enough to show you are serious? Because he knows he can manipulate you into staying, and he does every. Single. Time. Because you don’t know what you really want from your own life any more than he does. It’s time to find your real purpose, and see that he will come with you when he decides it.) when he is ready to make some changes.

    Give him a chance to actually change. People say ‘once an alcoholic, always’ and that is true, but they can learn to control the illness. If you love him dearly, support the efforts he makes, but you changing yourself will have the greatest impact. Wouldn’t a man rather try for a woman he respects? Because he doesn’t respect you, and no, you’re not enough to be worth changing for if you’re caught up in his irrational spiral. If you want to be the bigger person, take control, and show him the way. Nothing is going to change otherwise.

    If you do get stronger, and become wise in the process, ask God to heal him and to prepare his heart. If this man DOES decide to change, and you are there to see his initiative and to help him through as you promised you would if he did, then you will be closer than ever before and those other problems will have to be a product of compromise.

    No matter what you do, you can do nothing until you first help yourself.

    #100232
    Gracy
    Participant

    Sometimes honesty is harsh, and I wouldn’t have taken the time to write all of that if I didn’t believe in you and your situation. I’ve loved dearly and deeply a sick person that didn’t want to change, and it hurt me worse than anything in this world to have to go on without them, to wait for them to decide to change on their own while praying for God to heal enough of them that we could go on together. I loved this man with all my life, and he wasn’t good for me, and it took another year of learning to compromise and communicate and set/expect standards to do it.

    I had to draw a line of what was okay for myself to accept. “I will accept him yelling and cussing at me if he apologizes genuinely when he’s not spiraling. I will never accept if he one day hits me, and will walk out the same night.”

    “I will be calm when he tells me about his problems, instead of jumping to try to fix them and encourage him. This week, I will be the kind of person he can tell anything to, and I’ll be more gentle in my per-destined guidance.”

    It’s okay to bend a bit for someone who is sick, for the greater good, but never let your most inner values be trampled on. Draw a clear line for yourself. God be with you, and him, and for you both to find your personal peace.

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