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  • #59946
    Tina
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    I am struggling with my situation. My marriage of ten years has always been rocky. We both had expectations of each other and felt let down when the others actions didn’t fit our expectations. A lot of fighting – just yelling, Mostly from me. My husband could not connect with me emotionally and I never understood why. I ended up depressed and turned that into anger – raging anger. My husband promised over and over he would try to give me more affection, more connection. But he couldn’t or wouldn’t or just didn’t. I finally realized I was spiraling out of control and sought counseling. I had a hard time at first realizing my stubbornness and defensiveness, but through counseling, meditation and friends and life coaches and tinybuddha.com I started to understand myself more. I do see where I was wrong and I am determined to be better. My husband agreed to counseling with me but in his alone sessions a lot of his upbringing was addressed and he has issues that I never knew about with his family (aside from our marital issues). My husband left me shortly after counseling started. He said needed a separation. He first said for a week he was staying with a cousin. Now he has been there 4 months. We continued counseling but he is stuck. He is stuck in anger with me. He is torn over the family issues he’s trying to deal with. Our counselor told me we cannot do true marriage counseling because he has not committed to the marriage. He is still undecided yet he won’t admit anything in the way of feelings for me or the marriage. He seems overwhelmed with the family issues and doesn’t even want to address the marriage issues. I have made changes. I don’t want to be angry and I have made strides to change my reactions and my expectations. We do talk but its back and forth with him. I have told him I want to work on the marriage and I want to try to do it right this time. He is unable to decide what he wants. He doesn’t want to talk of us splitting and he always hugs me goodbye but in between his anger comes out and he admits that he knows its not right and he’s confused but he has not sought out help from our counselor or any other; He says he needs to but won’t put the effort in to make an appointment. I’m torn. I want to be there for him for his problems aside from the marriage, and he wants to talk to me about it and lean on me. What I really want is to fix the marriage though. The problem is my heart is broken. It was broken in our marriage when he made promises and didn’t put much effort behind them. Now I have decided to forgive the past and try to start fresh but he cannot let go of the past. The counselor has been very straight with him that he was wrong too and he played a part in the fighting. He doesn’t accept it, he says he understands but he keeps coming back and attacking me for yelling so much in the past. He will acknowledge that he neglected me and should have treated me better, then gets angry again about the past. I feel like a punching bag and I really am to the point that I can’t stand to be around him anymore. I told him how I felt and I told him what I need from him. He says he understands but I still get nothing in return. I don’t want to be selfish but I want to be happy. I want to use the things I’ve learned. I want to enjoy my life. I really wanted him to be a part of that. I just feel that its not meant to be. I cannot make him want to be with me. I feel like in 4 months he can’t even answer when I ask if he wants the marriage to work out. How do I know when to let it go and when to keep hanging on? Any new perspective on this would be appreciated.

    #60002
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi, @daazydawg. I applaud your courage for seeking out and finding multiple avenues of help in this. One thing that struck me about what you said is more of a technicality but I wanted to clear it up before I respond to your post: you portray individual issues as independent from marital issues when in fact all issues – from the past, the present, and anxieties, queries about the future – should all be considered as ‘marital’ issues because they are having veritable impact on the marriage itself. I think it would be beneficial if he perhaps came to understand that too.

    First thing I wanted to bring up in this is that you and your husband seem to have two starkly different personalities and I only identified this out of my own experience. I am very much like you, I’m very emotive, very sensitive – typically I act between states of polarity, going from one extreme to the other. I am never a little happy or a little sad, if I’m happy I’m REALLY happy, if I’m sad I’m REALLY sad, I guess I find it particularly hard to regulate my emotional state. As a result, I can come across judgemental, argumentative, and often highly critical of others when they don’t, can’t, or refuse to comprehend how I feel or my perspective. That doesn’t mean I’m moody or have bipolar disorder or anything, it just means I’m highly sensitive. In addition to this, I notice you are willing to accept and admit fault where necessary and move on from past hurts in light of more caring, more constructive futures. I am very much like this also, I can absolutely lose my shit over something – almost unreasonably – but I have never ever been one to hold grudges or dwell too extensively on the past when I know it won’t change the future etc. I can be profusely yet genuinely apologetic about my actions but because of my tendency to fly off the handle, so to speak, people who are not close to me or people whose personality is completely incapable of understanding mine, will often be offended, hurt, and slowly corroded by my actions.

    As for your husband, he appears to be exactly like my ex, he is less to communicate openly, he doesn’t like to express his feelings, he is not particularly emotive, and takes a great deal to heart, irrespective of whether or not you have apologised. A ‘closed book’ is apt, but it is more than that because they are much less likely to change, and as a result of that, much less likely to want to change (even if it can be perceived as being for the better). It’s a psychological barrier that precludes moving forward because they are incompatible with our much more fluid state of emotions. What makes it worse is that when they do occasionally (or finally) open up to you and allow themselves into vulnerable states (which they will mostly try to avoid at all costs), they will not be entirely open. And you won’t actually know this until the next fight where you find out there was more to the story than they disclosed. Overall, my ex sounds so similar to your husband because she had a complete inability to understand just how necessary communication is. I mean, we had trust, love, and acceptance but we barely had compromise because communication is the driver of compromise. In fact, communication is the conduit through which most marital issues can most effectively be addressed.

    We are human. We need to feel. We need to talk. But we should not ever have to assume. Assumption indicates a lack of communication. Nearly all of our fights, sadly, were over miscommunication, misinterpretation, and assumption. Like you, what I found most frustrating and, later demoralising, about this was that the problems were so obvious and all of them centred on communication. But every time I tried to remind her of this so we could work through it, she would simply get irrational and start talking about us needing a break. Basically, she was saying to me that she would prefer our relationship end than have to work on it. In a way, it was the most immature thing I’ve ever had intimated to me and ultimately the very reason for our demise. When I pushed her for something more reasonable she just said she would rather be lonely waiting for the perfect person who completely understood her than waste time with someone who is too different although who loves her.

    My advice, is that people like this barely change because they have a very conceited idea of relationships and expectations and how their needs should apparently be prioritised over other ones. Having said this, I cannot honestly say you should try and move on from this because I have not heard his side of the story. I know you are the one being proactive and it’s very noble, but it would be unfair for me to elicit certain responses considering I’m not a professional and I’m not a valued friend. I think you should both keep ‘trying’, at least for now. I’ve found that working through things slowly, incrementally is the best way and most likely way to achieve results. People of our nature tend to want to introduce radical, sweeping change into relationships by starting afresh at some given scale. But other personalities do not cope well with this, especially those like your husband and my ex, so I would hasten you take a more pragmatic approach and make some small iterative changes that show both of you that this can work, it’s not beyond each of your control, it’s hard, it’s complex, but it is progressing. The biggest problem today is that the world has become so selfish that we find it difficult to accept people could be fundamentally different to us. And it runs deep into relationships, even within marriages. Something you can do to work toward remedying this is take a personality test, so at least you both have some form of foundation in understanding your basic differences.

    http://www.16personalities.com/

    This is a great site and ridiculously accurate. Of course personalities can be further sub-defined but it will give a very real identification of who you are intrinsically. It’s a simple survey that only takes 15 to 20 minutes as I recall but it will provide a platform upon which you can both read each other’s results, compare, and consider your relationship more broadly.

    I’m interested in hearing updates about your marriage whenever appropriate. I hope you can keep confident enough to work through your issues, even when it seems you’re doing all the work to make change.

    P.S. How long did you know / date each other prior to marriage?

    #60046
    renearmond
    Participant

    Hi Tina.

    I’m separated and understand your dilemma.The thing is, two people have to want to be in a marriage and be willing to work
    through the difficult issues together.
    From what I read, your husband is not meeting you half way at all.
    You on the other hand, are working hard, to move forward. You have left the Titanic my dear, but he is still on it!.
    Painful and all as it is,best to cut your losses and leave him. I don’t believe you can ‘fix’ or ‘save’ your marriage.
    Don’t waste anymore time. To me he is using his ‘family issues’ as an excuse to force you into making the decision to
    leave. A decision he does not have the ‘balls’ to make. Pardon my language.
    I gave my x 25 years, my best years. He’s still not happy, for all his extra marital philandering.
    I know now it was not my role to make him happy.
    You can begin to focus on making a whole new life for yourself and who knows, who might be waiting to be in your life
    to appreciate all the wonderful gifts you have to bring to a true relationship.

    Sincerely.

    renearmond

    #60094
    Beth
    Participant

    The most valuable thing I learned from a counselor was that if you are in a relationship with someone, and you tell them what you need and what you want (reasonable requests, of course) and they do not give it to you, it is because they do not want to. If that person is of normal intelligence, functions in the day to day world, their reluctance or inability to do something is not because they do not understand or you didn’t explain it right. They just don’t want to do it.

    It’s the simplest thing in the world, and the hardest to accept.

    When you tell him how you feel and what you need to feel better in this relationship, and he says “I understand,” but does nothing, that’s because that’s all he wants to do.

    #60095
    Tina
    Participant

    Blaice,
    Thank you so much for sharing. It is comforting to know I’m not alone in some of the feelings and details of my relationship. As much as I do know that, it means a lot every time someone shares their experiences and views. Thank you I appreciate it!
    My husband and I dated for 4 years before marrying. We have been married just over 10 years when we separated.
    I do agree that all issues are marital. I only separated them because that is how my husband sees it. He was very adamant that one did not affect the other in the beginning. I believe he is learning this is not so, but his pace and acceptance is so much slower than mine. it is true how you say the world is too selfish to accept that people are fundamentally different from us. I did struggle a lot with that in the beginning but I do understand it now and I am trying to be patient and accept it. I DO want my marriage to work and stay in tact.
    You’re descriptions of your and your ex’s personalities are so much in line with my husband’s and mine. We always say we don’t even know what most of our fights were truly about…but they were nasty. it’s really sad, we do agree on that.
    We talked for a couple hours last night. I think he realizes his actions are not matching his words and he is losing me if he continues to not address his emotions and feelings. He has made a counseling appointment by himself, and we are suspending marriage counseling for now. So he is now not just talking but taking action also. It’s a step in the right direction. We will continue counseling separately until we both decide to make the marriage a priority. I was able to discuss the ‘limbo’ feeling of our separation. He does admit he is torn over how he feels about me, but he does want to move past the anger and try to work things out. He asked me not to give up yet and give a little more time. I was able to get him to understand that I needed some actions from him to know that I was not the only one trying. A phone call, an impromptu dinner date, anything. He said he understands and will do better.
    I am aware that people in his shoes have a harder time changing – you hit the nail on the head about “having a very conceited idea of relationships and expectations and their needs should be priority” – I see this in him. And for me “wanting to introduce radical change by starting fresh at some given scale” ; it’s as if you’ve sat in our counseling sessions! Seriously. I appreciate your advice on working through things slowly, incrementally as the best way to achieve results. I need to remind myself this often. I know now that that is the approach we need to take but you put it in words so eloquently. I am determined to try everything. I do not take marriage lightly and if we cannot work through this I want to look in the mirror and know in my heart that I tried all I could – the best I could.
    I will do the personality test you linked with him. It may help to realize our differences using any tools we can find. Thanks for sharing. You’re advice and you’re story too. I do believe that everything happens for a reason. I am learning a lot about myself in this process so even if my marriage cannot be put back together, I am grateful for the lessons I’m learning 🙂

    Take care,
    Tina

    #60097
    Tina
    Participant

    Renearmond and Beth,
    Thank you for replying. I am really looking for different points of view of my situation. You both make good points that I am totally aware of.

    Renearmond, I do see where my husband is not meeting me half way, and it is possible I will have to give up at some point as I cannot fix or change things on my own. The problem I have right now is -I am not ready to quit and he is not ‘not doing anything’. He unfortunately has more demons than I do to tend to and my counselor has explained that he can only handle one at a time. yes, he’s doing more talking than doing currently. And I struggle with patience. He is still committed to the marriage as far as other women are concerned. We are not dating or seeking dating other people. Thank you for your point, I do know I need to be weary and not be naïve.

    Beth, our counselor has actually said those words to my husband in counseling. He is confused by it because he blames every other reason why he’s not doing what he says, but she insists that somewhere deep down he just doesn’t want to. It does bother him to hear that, and he argues it (to no avail). Part of the problem is my husband was raised to believe words can correct your actions – even if you keep making the same action…. I truly believe some part of him doesn’t see how his actions speak louder than words. I am hoping he can learn. He seems willing to listen so time will tell.

    Thanks, Tina

    #60127
    Mike
    Participant

    Hi Tina,

    I am going through a similar situation but from the opposite side. My wife decided to separate after 10 years of marriage. The main reason was because I was unable to provide her with the emotional and physical intimacy that she required and I was unable to change, which sounds similar to your situation.

    The separation has woken me up and I now realize some of my relationship limitations. Even if I am unable to change at least I know now what they are and I will keep trying to be a more open emotionally and physically in my relationships going forward.

    Unfortunately I left my counseling and effort too late in our relationship and I should have addressed my issues years ago but I was stuck in denial. You sound like a wonderful and supportive wife and I hope your husband finds the strength to accept some of his limitations and work with you to fix.

    God Bless

    Mike

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    #60156
    inthebliss
    Participant

    @Beth This. Again and Again. I must write this on my wall or something. This is so so true.

    ‘The most valuable thing I learned from a counselor was that if you are in a relationship with someone, and you tell them what you need and what you want (reasonable requests, of course) and they do not give it to you, it is because they do not want to. If that person is of normal intelligence, functions in the day to day world, their reluctance or inability to do something is not because they do not understand or you didn’t explain it right. They just don’t want to do it.

    It’s the simplest thing in the world, and the hardest to accept.’

    #60160
    Tina
    Participant

    Mike, Thanks for sharing. It’s nice to hear the other side in a sense. If anything I’ve said helped in any way, I’m so happy to hear that. This is probably the hardest thing I’ve ever had to learn. I love my husband but I’m so afraid to go back to the same situation. I wish we both could change and grow together. I do believe everything happens for a reason – with all my heart. No matter how much I hurt or I feel regret, remorse or anguish; I have to believe it was all meant to be. The fact that you are recognizing things about yourself and trying to correct them on any level is admirable. Let’s keep making ourselves our best so we can attract better things in the future!

    Take care, Tina

    #60178
    -M
    Participant

    Hi Tina,

    First off, the human relationship is complex. And each one is unique. Just like a snowflake, no two are the same.

    In any event, you asked for a “new perspective”. I suppose, any perspective that isn’t yours, will be considered “new” to you. I wish to preface any comments that I make by emphasizing that there is no “right” or “wrong” perspective. This is your relationship, and it is your interpretation of it that is important. My comments are simply my comments. They aren’t “better” or “worse” than any others’, especially yours.

    You state that you “wish”… What I glean from your statement is that you’re feeling uncomfortable with the reality of the situation. Or else, why would you “wish” for anything else?

    You’ve also mentioned that he’s “stuck in the past”. It sounds as though you two aren’t in the same place.

    Relationships are tough for this reason. Every day that we go sleep, we are a different a person than we were when we woke up that morning. The clock ticks, and time continues on; whether we like it or not. Because time continues on inevitably, it is impossible for us to remain unchanged. Things will happen during the day that will alter our perspective on life, and change us.

    If he yearns for a previous version of you, or even himself for that matter, then he is not accepting the real you nor accepting what the reality of the situation is. The reality of the situation is that you two are experiencing difficulties. The “real” you, is the one that you are today.

    It is oft-cited that Einstein once said, “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result”. Well, something is not working in your relationship. So, something must be changed. Just as it is easier to push a couch when two people push instead of one, fixing this problem will likely be easier remedied if both people exert effort instead of only one.

    I also do believe in the power of counseling. It would be interesting to see what would happen if he was to surrender and accept some help.

    Lastly, I want to ask you if are familiar with the theory of “sunk cost”. If you don’t, you might find it interesting.

    Ultimately, what’s most important is for you to sort out how you feel. If you feel that it’s “meant to be” and you’re willing to fight for it, then do it. If you feel that both of you have changed such that reconciling is unrealistic, then so be it. Just be willing to make a decision and own it. There are going to be consequences to every decision that we make — so let’s take responsibility for the consequences (whether “good” or “bad”)! To do so is to be empowered!

    Good luck, stay present, and trust yourself! You have the ability to make the right decision for yourself. I also believe that “everything happens for a reason”. Now is the time for you to figure out why this happened! 🙂

    Peace be with you.

    #66239
    hollyhillcourt
    Participant

    I am so happy I found this string as I am in the exact same situation. Have tried for months to fix and understand but to no avail. Blaice, what you said made so much sense to me. Thank you!!

    #78835
    Jennifer Walker
    Participant

    My fiance and I kept on getting into fights all of the time. We were close to breaking up a few times. I knew that we needed something to stay together because he was pulling away from me day by day. Dr Baba really helped us stay together and become a closer couple. He did a love binding spell that worked perfectly! He started making more of an effort to talk to me about how he was feeling which helped us work through our problems so much better. My fiance tends to shut down whenever there is conflict and this spell helped him communicate with me. I can also tell that he is more attracted to me because he keeps sending me flowers at work and is always trying to touch me in some way. It’s actually really nice and I am very grateful to Dr Baba and his temple at realhomeofspell(AT)outlook.com for all that he have done for me.

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