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December 3, 2016 at 3:00 pm #121827John Philip L. OrtegaParticipant
Good afternoon.
Well, in July of 2007, I had met a very wonderful man through one of those online dating sites. I guess that back then I was just looking for a “quick fix” since I had just gotten out of a long relationship with a girl. Yes, I am bisexual but leaning more towards homosexuality.
Anyway, we went through the whole shebang (dinner, sex and dating) when we realized that neither of us was your typical gay/bi closeted man whose only goal is sex. We appreciated each other’s company and talked about everything and anything under the sun.
On my end, I didn’t want to see him too often because I was afraid that he might “grow tired” of me and choose to find someone else, but we did see each other quite a lot. Not as much as he would have wanted. I guess that is where the falling apart began. I started noticing the change during December of 2007 and when we first met, his ideal age in looking for a potential partner was 1-4 years older than him. I happened to be 7 years his senior, which I kept hidden as I was already in love with him and very certain that he was in love with me. I was afraid of rejection.
Then, in January 2008, he confronted me about my little “white lie”. It’s the age thing. He asked me to tell him the truth and still I sort of meandered about, which in turn upset him and he asked me to leave his apartment. I apologized, but still he told me to leave. “I don’t think that I could trust you anymore.” I don’t think age mattered but not being truthful.
The following day I tried to speak to him and he told me to “give him a month” of space. (No Contact Period)
I told him that I would, but truth be told the first 5 days was excruciatingly difficult and painful. I would always text him and send him gifts. I would also try to call him, but he would never pick up the phone.
It was during the final week of that No Contact period where I decided to meet him in person. He told the doorman not to let me inside the building at all. I told him that I would wait for outside and after 2 hours he decided to meet me outside.
At the back-alley we talked on how sorry I was for lying to him about my age and professed my love to him, but I noticed that he wasn’t really paying attention. I figured that he already had someone else up in his apt as he kept receiving texts and my feelings didn’t seem to faze him. In the end, he told me that things wouldn’t work out between us and that I was even too impulsive, hot-headed and immature still that I couldn’t even give him that 1 month period of no contact.
Brokenhearted and full of despair, I went home and stayed home most of the time. I even performed poorly at my job due to that.
Then, I don’t know if you are a religious person or not, I believed that “a demon” entered me or I just went psychotic that I did the following things:
– I would hurl insulting comments at him and members of his family on his social-media accounts.
– I would get in touch with his friends, family and co-workers and tell them all that he was truly gay and hiding it.My relentless barrage continued for the next 4 days then he called me and we fought over the phone. I even threatened to shoot him if I were to see him in public. He began to cry on the other end of the phone as he was apparently being contacted by family and friends alike. That’s when I relented and apologized to him and stopped the attacks and even deleted those comments and retracted.
But like I said, I think I was just so damn evil and heartless that I continually harassed him and dragged everyone to our mess – MY MESS.
From 2008-2010 my attacks continued till his younger brother begged me to stop. It was only then that I did realize the grave mistake on my part.
“You didn’t just burn the bridge. You BLEW IT UP!” – Good friend of mine told me.
Since then, I have been receiving counseling due to depression (almost suicidal) on what I’ve done.
Before we brokeup, I even called him “The Most Important Person that ever came into my life” and yet I treated him like he was the scum of the earth.
He moved to another country and stayed there for 7 years before moving back to Los Angeles CA late last year.
To sum it up, during those years I was receiving counseling, I would send letter of extreme apologies to all his family and friends whom I insulted and even dragged into our mess. I even tried to explain to him that there was NO EXCUSE for what I did, but was BLOCKED and received only silence.
I am still a mess, mentally and emotionally. I tried soooo many steps to moving forward but to no avail. All my business ventures were failures while he prospered to which I am so very proud of because apart from looks and a good heart, his intelligence is what attracted me to him.
“Time heals all wounds” as the old adage says but somehow, that seems to be false.
I love him so much and I could never imaging my life without him in it. Even if were just to reconcile and me make amends and still keep in touch I would be happy.
All those datings in-between those years were unfair to the guys and gals as my mind and heart was still set on him.
It’s been 9 years and this wound has never healed.
I wonder if reconciliation is even possible? Many have told me that he’s probably forgotten about me, but when i messaged him the other day using a temporary account in FB, he blocked it.
I’m a mess and I am being haunted by the ghost of my past and this heartbreak is just so damn painful.
I am rebuilding my life once again, but these episodes of mine keep recurring even moreso during this holiday season.
I just want him to know how deeply sorry I am for what I’ve done and that my emotions were just too much to control. NO EXCUSE, I know that.
Any advise from you would be greatly appreciated.
Pardon for such a long message.
Thank you and enjoy the weekend.
December 3, 2016 at 3:06 pm #121829John Philip L. OrtegaParticipantTo Add, when I spoke to his cousin since she knows about what happened and didn’t really want to be involved in his personal business:
“I know it’s harsh but i think he made it pretty clear that he doesn’t want to have anything to do with you anymore. Just concentrate then.. On living your life without him…Meet new friends.” (I’ve met and made a lot of new friends)
When I asked if he would eventually agree to meet and reconcile:
“That’s up to him. You can hope all you want but you have to accept the harsh truth that for right now, he doesn’t want anything to do with you.”
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December 3, 2016 at 8:23 pm #121849AnonymousGuestDear jayorts:
Obviously, clearly, you need to no longer contact him and you need to no longer contact anyone so to talk about him. What did you learn in counseling about your behavior regarding this man.. have you been diagnosed with … maybe Borderline Personality Disorder or the like?
anita
December 4, 2016 at 2:46 am #121861John Philip L. OrtegaParticipantDear Anita,
Thanks for replying.
The one word used to describe me was OBSESSED.
What I am trying to say is, I am currently living with: Guilt, Regret and still harbor Love towards him. I don’t blame him for hating my guts for I did…but reconciliation and making amends is what I am really after.
Do you think a handwritten letter to him would be appropriate? I plan to send one after the new year and hopefully he would perhaps be more inclined to hear me out?
There was never really any proper closure and that is what I want; however, I am also afraid of letting go and in my heart I would not want to.
December 4, 2016 at 7:12 am #121868InkyParticipantHi jayorts,
It’s interesting to me that you initially didn’t see him a lot in the beginning on purpose and he was the one to get upset with that. I do that too with people who I think the world of. Take consolation that at one point he DID like you a lot.
The other thing, the white lie about the age. My DH omitted his true age to me. Rather than getting upset and using THAT as an excuse to dump him, I got miffed, but eventually married him. My point is do you think it’s possible that he already wanted to break up with you and used the white lie as an Issue of Choice for him to do it?
As for you being demon possessed… Dude, you dragged him out of the closet to his whole world before he was ready. For you to rage against his friends and family like that, wow! I picked up a definite “Who Do You Think You Are” vibe to the 10th/ degree! It’s like you wanted to be dominant in the relationship and he triggered your inner wolf.
Lastly, what you are doing is stalking. When I was younger I had a stalker. The only reason I don’t have him anymore is because I think he died. It was that bad. The worst thing about it was he would wait until you’d breathe a sigh of relief and relax, live your life, and not think about him and BAM! Six months later a letter would show up. Then BAM! Eight months later a phone call. Then your friends would say three months later they ran into him on vacation and he was asking about you. This went on for 10x longer than the actual relationship.
It’s unnerving, disturbing and cruel to have someone on the periphery of your life you don’t want. Like you’re not giving him a choice, you WILL be in his life somehow whether he wants it or not. You are rejecting his rejection. Don’t you know that the more you try to contact the person, the more they are repelled?
Seriously if you just raged towards one friend and contacted him once after the breakup, I would advise waiting five or ten more years and then apologize again. But it’s way, way too late for that now.
Pretend he is dead (his younger self that was with you is anyway). Have a little ritual. Grieve. Then move on.
Blessings,
Inky
- This reply was modified 8 years ago by Inky.
December 4, 2016 at 8:54 am #121875AnonymousGuestDear jayorts:
You asked me: “Do you think a handwritten letter to him would be appropriate?”
No, it will not be appropriate. There is only ONE appropriate thing you can do in relation to this man and his family and friends: 100% no contact. Not now, not after the New Year, not for as long as you live.
You wrote in your original post: “I am still a mess, mentally and emotionally.”- I agree.
You wrote: “I tried soooo many steps to moving forward but to no avail…’Time heals all wounds’ as the old adage says but somehow, that seems to be false.” – I agree, time did not heal you.
Please do the loving thing and leave this man (and his family and friends) alone. It is not loving (love is in the title of your thread) to disrespect the person you love, to violate his clearly stated assertions (for no contact). If you love him, and if you want to help yourself, attend competent psychotherapy and see a psychiatrist for effective medication for your obsession. You are a woman “Still Obsessed.”
anita
December 4, 2016 at 1:57 pm #121908John Philip L. OrtegaParticipantHi Inky.
Thanks for replying and the idea that he may have used the whole “white lie” as a pretext to wanting to break up did cross my mind. However, I was the one who wronged him and to my eternal shame and regret. I have to admit that I was impulsive with my actions given that I had, prior to being with him, so many issues with family, friends, finances and career opportunities.
Again those were NOT GOOD EXCUSES.
His cousin forgave me and understood that I was just a big bag of unstable emotions that got released at an unfortunate time. She told me to “Fix Myself Up First” before doing anything else. Who knows, by then his heart and mind would be more open to the idea of reconciliation and me making amends.
“Stalking” – I have to admit that I have been doing that, but only to be able to catch a glimpse of him. “You only learn the importance of someone once they are gone.” I miss him and I love him so very much.
There was actually a period wherein I didn’t try to contact him and that was from 2013-2015. That was during the time I had a short-lived relationship with a girl, which ended on good terms. I guess that I learned from my stupidity with the guy.
“Grieve for Him and pretend that he is dead” isn’t a possibility and “way too late for that now” is more like “delayed for now”.
I made a conscious decision to finally MOVE ON and LET GO to go FIX MYSELF s I am a wreck. Maybe…after 2-10 years, he’ll be ready to truly forgive me. You are correct that what I did was vile, but I can’t believe myself that I did what I did to him.
December 4, 2016 at 1:59 pm #121909John Philip L. OrtegaParticipant” You are a woman “Still Obsessed.” – I guess you’re taking a shot at me being bisexual/gay.
Please do the loving thing and leave this man (and his family and friends) alone. It is not loving (love is in the title of your thread) to disrespect the person you love, to violate his clearly stated assertions (for no contact). — You are correct.
December 4, 2016 at 6:19 pm #121923AnonymousGuestDear jayorts:
I didn’t take a shot at you; this is not what I do here. In writing a woman “Still obsessed” I was referring to the title of your thread: “Still in love.”
My suggestion was and is that the word Obsessed is more accurate than love to characterize your draw to this man.
And this is why I suggested you do the Loving thing and leave him alone.anita
December 4, 2016 at 6:26 pm #121925John Philip L. OrtegaParticipantWhoa, I just received your response immediately after I logged back in.
Anita, I stand corrected and I apologize. You being direct is what I needed being a New Yorker, we should be used to directness and sarcasm.
I guess it’s the “If you love someone, let them go. If they return, they were always yours. If they don’t, they never were”.
Won’t lie to you but the feelings I have seem to be authentic, but I guess they can be reversed:
HOPE – DENIAL
LOVE – OBSESSIONDecember 4, 2016 at 6:39 pm #121927AnonymousGuestDear jayorts:
Your loving feeling for this man feels authentic to you, yet to love someone means more than just the feeling. It means acting for the loved one’s benefit. This man doesn’t want you to contact him, for years. He is probably afraid and has suffered a whole lot from your harassment of him.
It will be to his benefit that you respect his assertion. Act lovingly to him by leaving him alone. Love him this way (leaving him alone) for the rest of your life. Never again contact him- love him that way.
anita
December 4, 2016 at 7:00 pm #121929John Philip L. OrtegaParticipantSo, it’s over. Acceptance after trying so hard to make amends and tell him how very sorry I am. An idiot I was.
December 4, 2016 at 7:17 pm #121932AnonymousGuestDear jayorts:
An idiot you were, but no more. That is a good, good thing. In my life, I wasted years and decades of life in what I used to call my own idiocy or such unflattering words. Now I say to myself: I wasted all these years because I was injured, and I was unwell, hurting and bleeding, so to speak. Self empathy- apply that. It is a game changer, really.
anita
December 5, 2016 at 11:27 am #121971John Philip L. OrtegaParticipantThank you very much, Anita.
God give me strength!
December 5, 2016 at 11:29 am #121972AnonymousGuestDear jayorts:
You are welcome. If posting here helps strengthen you please do post here anytime and I will reply.
anita
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