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  • #127114
    Verge1
    Participant

    Hi all,

    This is my first time using the forums on this site but I’ve read many articles and always found them of use.

    I’m an 18-year old male who has never been in a proper relationship before. About five months ago I fell madly in love with a girl for the first time from my high school, but she was taken. It was far from love at first sight, but upon getting to know her I fell head over heels for her. The difference between a good and bad day would be talking to her. As a largely independent person, I had never felt anything like this before.

    I was under the impression she liked me too because she danced with me in a romantic way while we were drunk at a party and joked about it afterwards, clearly not regretting the event (despite the fact that her boyfriend was there, watching the whole thing and I was holding back because she was taken). She also affectionately touches me and hugs me and calls me by various nicknames.

    I realised I was infatuated with the girl and took various steps to try and move on, because I realised she was in a committed relationship, and however it might have seemed, she was most certainly in love with her boyfriend.

    Soon later I began to move on, and she broke up with her boyfriend. It was a mutual decision, and they’re still in contact, but for whatever reason they feel they can no longer be in a relationship together.

    She posted a picture with the caption “you know I love you” on her Instagram account, and her ex posted one captioned “I know” in response, but I see it as more of a parting message as apposed to being a sign they’re getting back together. This was a day after they broke up. It’s been about two weeks now.

    At the time I thought they were getting back together a day after announcing the breakup, and the emotional rollercoaster I went through has had a lasting effect on me. I feel slightly numb to everyone and disconnected, and I don’t feel our bond is as strong as it was. This might be because she’s not looking for a relationship so soon after her last one, because I’m disconnected from everyone or a bit of both, but either way it doesn’t feel the same.

    I have questioned whether I really do love her or not, but I’ve came to the conclusion I am no longer infatuated so I don’t feel so obsessed with her. Regardless of this, I can’t go fifteen minutes without thinking about her and what I should do next.

    The plan was to ask her out at the next party we go to, but it’s valentines day in a few days. I was considering asking her to be my valentine. It wouldn’t be like afterward we would be officially going out, just more of a date to get to know her better. I feel like much of the reason I don’t feel as connected to her is because in flirting we barely have any real talk. In a way it’s amazing that we’ve made it this far taking things so lightly, but she keeps herself to herself and is surrounded by friends so I haven’t had a chance to talk about the things that really matter and connect with her on a deeper level.

    I feel like this could be an opportunity to reconnect with her and get to know her better, but I’m worried that it backfire as she’s only just broken up with a boyfriend she was with for 5 months. I don’t want to end up in a rebound relationship.

    The alternative is telling her how I feel at a party exactly a month from now. Once again, I still don’t think it will have been long enough for her to move on.

    I’m also not sure if I should take any further actions at all given how my feelings have changed. I still think about her frequently, and recount my happiest memory being in her company, but it just doesn’t feel the same when we talk, although she still starts conversations with me all the time and is always happy to see me.

    I would be immensely grateful if you could help me make sense of all this.

    Thank you,

    Harry.

    #127122
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Harry:

    I think that maybe you felt relatively safe when she had a boyfriend- there was nothing for you to do, but love her safely from afar. But since she is available again, now you are no longer safe to love her, because now there are things-to-do, ask her for a date, plan on maybe have a relationship with her. Now there is the fear of rejection that wasn’t there before, and now there are the fears of… how to be a boyfriend in what you call a “proper relationship” for the first time in your young life.

    If I am correct, then it is possible that the reason your infatuation feelings are gone- for now- is because you are afraid. To feel infatuation you have to be relaxed enough, and being afraid doesn’t allow for the relaxation requires to daydream about love, to feel those gentle loving feelings.

    What do you think?

    anita

    #127126
    Verge1
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I’m certain that what you suggested is at least somewhat true. I can’t help but feel anxious when picturing the two of us together because I’ve never had a proper relationship before and don’t completely know what to expect.

    I’m not worried that I couldn’t have a relationship with her. I definitely feel we could start dating, but I think my concerns lie in what happens afterward, the relationship itself. I’m worried because I feel like I’d mess it up or do something wrong to ruin it all.

    My question to you is, how do I overcome this fear?

    Thanks again for your response,

    Harry

    #127128
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Harry:

    I would like to try to help you with your fear that you will “mess it up or do something wrong to ruin it all.” To figure something I can suggest to you, I need to know more about your fear-

    Did you notice this fear before, fearing you will mess things up, do something wrong to ruin things? Tell me some of the history of this fear (not relating to this woman you posted about)…

    anita

    #127184
    Verge1
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    In previous potential relationships I do seem to remember losing my edge and interest randomly after a certain period of time. At the time I just thought I didn’t like them anymore, but looking back I think it might have been this fear of rejection.

    It never occurred to me this is what it might’ve been. While I’d spoken to my friends about my anxieties about being in a relationship with the girl before, I hadn’t thought it might be the reason my feelings had changed. In a way I suppose I did notice it, I just didn’t connect the dots.

    In general I’m not usually too worried about being left out or rejected. I think it’s just specifically in romantic relationships.

    Thanks, Harry

    #127186
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Harry:

    You are welcome. Your understanding articulated in your last post makes sense to me.

    In your original post you described yourself as “a largely independent person.” I think it is important for you to be emotionally independent, not dependent on another who may hurt you, not at the mercy of a woman who will have the power to hurt and devastate you.

    I think you became numb and lost your infatuation with her as a way to protect yourself from potential harm and that happened automatically, without a conscious choice. But underneath, you still desire a relationship with her, and this is why you’ve been thinking about her so much.

    What to do? Take it slowly, one little step at a time- what other way is there to approach a scary situation? Take one step and see how that feels, take a break, relax, then take another small step. Talk with others about your feelings, post here, if it helps. Better yet, talk with her, get to know her and share how you feel with her. If she has empathy for you and comforts you, then your fear about her will lessen.

    anita

    #127208
    Verge1
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thank you for your understanding. Reading it now I can’t believe I didn’t realise what the problem was sooner.

    The loss of my infatuation is definitely a defence mechanism, because I’m afraid she’ll break my heart.

    She’s never been unkind to me whatsoever, but I feel she’s been harsh to other people before. I’ve heard stories about her mistreating her friends when she was in a relationship a couple of years ago, but it’s to my understanding that she doesn’t like talking about her past because she regrets it. I worry there’s a whole side to her I don’t understand, and undoubtedly a large portion of these feelings come from the fact that she’s as social as she is. She started speaking to me while in a relationship (though only as friends), and even though she wouldn’t have cheated, I have this insecurity that she might find someone better while we’re together. She has a lot of connections and doesn’t talk about herself nearly as much as I’d like her to.

    I spoke to her for most of today and I’m almost certain that she likes me in that way, but I feel like she might need some time to get over her past relationship.

    I was thinking of asking her to be my valentine. Neither of us really believe in the idea behind valentines day, which would make the occasion pretty easy going as we wouldn’t take it too seriously. I think the chances are she’d say yes, and seeing her one-to-one would be a great way to get to know her better, and it’s not committing to anything long-term yet. My only worry is that I feel somewhat unprepared given valentines day is in five days time.

    Thanks again,

    Harry

    #127211
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Harry:

    Regarding Valentine Day in five days, since neither one of you takes it seriously, maybe a casual celebration-like of the day will be adequate to both- you can put some humor into it, and this might not need much time to prepare.

    It is wise of you to be cautious. It is a risk to get emotionally attached to a person- you could get hurt, and the hurt may feel really bad. So, it makes sense to get to know her better- like you suggested. Get to know her before committing. Most people of any age, don’t bother to do this. They jump into intimate relationships with people they basically don’t know. Once intimate, people can no longer get to know the other objectively. Emotions get in a way of clear viewing and thinking.

    Get to know her before committing and before becoming physically intimate.

    Your concerns are valid- as you know there are no guarantees, but you can greatly minimizes your chances of getting hurt and maximize your chances to have a healthy, loving experience by going about this wisely.

    anita

    #127212
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * And you are welcome, Harry. Post again, anytime.
    anita

    #127219
    Verge1
    Participant

    Hi Anita!

    I asked her out for valentines day and she said yes! We’re both thrilled and it’s exactly what I needed to get to know her better.

    Thankyou so much,

    Harry

    #127225
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Harry:

    How exciting! Now all you have to do is calm that excitement just enough to enjoy the experience and be cool headed enough to get to know her better, over time. Do hope you post again, anytime you would like my input.

    anita

    #127943
    Verge1
    Participant

    Hi anita,

    The last week has been incomprehensible. So much has happened.

    As a result of asking the girl to be my valentine, I’ve got to know her much better and I’ve learned that she likes me back.

    I’ve also realised that the problems I’ll have to face are completely different to what I’d thought they were when I first posted.

    For one, I’ve learned that the girl was over her past relationship long before it had ended. They had been barely holding it together for the last few months. She was undeniably ready to move on, but he was clingy and manipulative and made it immensely difficult for her. She kissed me on our date and has shown various signs suggesting she likes me in that way. For this reason, my worries about being in a rebound relationship or things not working out are easily dismissed.

    But the problem now lies on my side of the relationship.

    Before I go on it’s probably worth giving a bit of context to my mindset at the time of writing. On our date I was around the girl for about twelve hours. We talked about so much that it got to the point where neither of us had anything left to discuss, and with us both being introverts, we became exhausted and delirious (but it actually made the date for me, because being that exhausted was hysterical).

    I’m also feeling very disconnected from myself. I need time to switch off after being too social, and over the last week I haven’t had one day where this was possible. Every time I’ve met with friends I’ve discussed my date. Much of it comes from their own curiosity, the other half is me wanting their advice on what to do next. Either way, I haven’t switched off and had time to recollect my thoughts properly. I also haven’t stopped thinking about the situation for at least a week. It has consumed my life to the point where I haven’t even thought about things that had been priorities a week ago during the last few days.

    On top of all this, I’ve been busy virtually every day and consider myself fairly sleep deprived.

    So I now stand having to face my own anxieties and insecurities about the prospect of continuing with the relationship. They’re all very irrational, but I feel getting to the bottom of them may help me make sense of my situation.

    The day after our date I found myself thinking about speaking to a lonely girl at a University applicant day, as I would back before I’d met the girl. I felt seriously bad about this and spoke to a friend, who told me it seemed fairly normal given the fact that I was just coming to terms with the fact that the date had actually worked out, and I was in disbelief. I came to the personal conclusion that perhaps the reason I had felt like speaking to another girl was not because I wasn’t happy with the girl I’d dated, but because I longed for the period before dating, when there were no commitments or risk or being hurt. I feel this is the way my anxiety about the relationship is manifesting: looking at alternatives to prevent the relationship from happening.

    I spoke to the girls best friend, who told me that she had been with numerous boys who had used her to try and get with the girl. This made me feel immensely guilty. Although I hadn’t done this, and the girl’s best friend is a close friend of mine, this knowledge seemed to almost objectify the girl in my mind. She is very experienced, and has had around nine or ten previous boyfriends, many of them long term. Her past two relationships had lasted around nine months. For this reason I feel like I’m overlooking how amazing she actually is because of how attractive she is, I feel almost guilty about pursuing her, and I feel like if we go out, the relationship won’t survive past about nine months.

    I found myself fantasising about going out with a friend of the opposite sex. I don’t feel attracted to her in that way, but I’m certain I was thinking about her because I felt almost bad for pursuing the girl. I think much of this comes from the idea of competition too: I know a lot of guys are interested in the girl and still would be if we went out, but I know barely any would be for my friend of the opposite sex.

    I also feel like there’s no tension with my friend of the opposite sex. The girl is completely normal around me, but I find myself slightly nervous and acting out of the ordinary around her. I used to be able to talk to the girl about anything when I wasn’t interested in her in that way, and I didn’t overthink when talking to her. Now, because I do like her in that way, I find myself holding back and over-analysing conversations.

    It occurs to me that at the time of writing I’m not head over heels for her. I was infatuated at one point, and my feelings now are nowhere near as intense by comparison. While I do still think I love her, my feels waver because of my anxieties.

    I’ve also realised within the last few days that it seems natural not to feel intense feelings at the dating stage. My two closest friends said for their relationships they had about a month where it was just ‘nice’ before any intense feelings of love really developed. If this is the case I’m certain my feelings for her could become much stronger like they were when I was infatuated with her.

    Sorry for the long post! Any advice or comments you have regarding my anxieties or situation would be greatly appreciated. They have been invaluable in the past.

    Thanks, Harry

    #127965
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Harry:

    First thing: you need to get some sleep. You need time alone. Anxiety creates this brain fog that makes reasonable thinking very difficult. So most important is to reduce your anxiety level. Take time to be alone and get some sleep.

    I am tired myself tonight. Tomorrow morning, with a fresh brain I hope to have, I will re-read your post above (and anything you may add to it by then) and will reply more thoroughly. This will be in twelve hours or so.

    Glad you posted with an update!

    anita

    #128049
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Harry:

    What is happening in your mind is indeed normal for a person who is afraid. You perceive this relationship (as would be with any intimate boyfriend/girlfriend relationship) as dangerous. You perceive this relationship as DANGER. So your mind is obsessing (looking for the solution of the problem, the problem being the danger perceived) and it comes up with the obvious solution: end this (beginning) relationship. And so, the danger ends.

    How to end it? If I talk to another girl, this relationship will end. If I stop feeling loving feelings for her, this relationship will end.

    I hope that if you understand your motivation (to protect yourself from perceived danger), you will not feel guilty for your various efforts to protect yourself.

    What is the best solution then? First, keep in mind that it may be to not have a relationship right now, that is, tell her that you are too anxious to have a relationship with anyone. Another possible solution: tell her how anxious you are and see if she has any solutions that the two of you can practice together (talking about it, for one).

    Another solution is to seek competent psychotherapy for yourself. before Valentine Day, on Feb 9, you wrote: “my concerns lie in what happens afterward, the relationship itself. I’m worried because I feel like I’d mess it up or do something wrong to ruin it all.”- this would need to be attended to in therapy, this fear which existed before the beginning of this relationship. What are the roots of this fear? What was the danger in your childhood (parents’ disapproval, rejection, possibly)?

    Please post again.

    anita

    #128101
    Verge1
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    I am certainly glad to hear that the thoughts I’ve been having are normal. I’m particularly relieved to hear that I shouldn’t blame myself as I was feeling immensely guilty.

    I think what it’s worth bearing in mind with my situation is that my anxieties aren’t too prevalent. I have had fairly bad social anxiety in the past and my feelings over the past week haven’t came close to that level of severity. What’s more is that I only conquered social anxiety by being more social, just like I’ll likely only conquer my relationship anxiety by experiencing a relationship. While sleep deprived and exhausted I found my worries surfaced, but I don’t see them as a major obstacle for the relationship, at least not something that couldn’t be overcome with a little time. A friend of mine described his first relationship as initially “daunting” and I feel that more closely reflects my feelings as opposed to me being “nervous”. I think many people in a similar situation may have had thoughts like these and probably just dismissed them, but perhaps because of my own introversion I felt the need to analyse and dwell on them and feel guilty about them.

    It’s also worth noting that I am only eighteen, and three months ago I was still legally a child. I’ve never been in a relationship before, and everyone I’ve spoken to has claimed to have gone through something similar when they started dating. Obviously because the whole process is later for me, it seems a little harder to dismiss, but I don’t think that quite warrants therapy.

    I feel like the way forward probably is to simply proceed with the relationship. What I am aware of is that my fear of rejection probably resides in my lack of experience on the physical side of relationships. Virtually everyone I know at my age has had some kind of sexual experience in the past, so I’m very much in the dark. Despite this, what the girls best friend told me is that she is obviously aware of my lack of physical experience, and is willing to be patient. It doesn’t put her off of me. And in that sense I am feeling much better about the relationship.

    I feel the other main source of my scepticism of relationships comes from those my friends have had in the past. One my best friends stopped talking to me almost entirely as the result of an extremely committed relationship. Fortunately he came back, but I another one of my friends broke off contact with entirely because of a relationship. I found myself distanced from another friend who was once very close to me because of a relationship that changed him. I suppose in many ways this put me off of relationships, but now I’ve found someone I consider worth the risk. What’s more is that my two best friends have also found themselves dating recently, and we’re all still seeing each other frequently. We’re all very understanding of each others situations, and are even talking about going out together as couples.

    I’ve came to realise is that I remember that when I held her hand all of my anxieties seemed to just disappear. I’ve been talking to her non-stop for days and I’m certainly feeling less anxious, much like how I used to feel. I’m also feeling much warmer towards her: perhaps getting these anxieties off of my chest yesterday has allowed me to move on?

    Either way I’m confronted with the fact that I’ve never been in love with anyone else. This girl seems near perfect for me, and I’m not the most picky person when it comes to relationships but I’ve never felt strongly enough to act on my feelings before. I feel like if I were to choose not to proceed with the relationship I wouldn’t have another for a while. It just feels like that would worsen my
    anxieties by having to initiate a sexual relationship even later in life.

    Last but far from least I was very worried about the fact that my feelings for her wavered, but I understand that at the very beginning of a relationship they’re still developing, and as such, I can’t expect to be head over heels for her even if I wanted to be. I must be patient and give myself time. I’ve still only been on one date and I’m thinking of planning the next one soon.

    Do you feel what I’ve said is justified or do you have any suggestions? I am open to therapy but I’ve battled much worse anxiety in the past myself and I’ve came out on the other end a much better person for it. I feel I can move past it once again.

    Thanks once again for your input,

    Harry

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