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  • #77984
    misunderstoood
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    For starters, my relationship with my mom is complicated.
    From a very young age, I have never emotionally connected with my mom. Reflecting back, we never really bonded to be close mother-daughter. I was always locked in my room either reading, writing and playing.
    As I entered my adolescence, we started to clash and fight. Often shouting and screaming and crying, if I didnt comply. But I was far from rebellious as I never acted in a way to shame my family. I never partied late and was always with a good bunch of trusted friends. Over the years my mums expectations of me grew to the point where it was ridiculous to achieve. I think ourcfights were often about me being compared to someone elses daughter. If i talked back i would be putcin my place. Over the years i have lost m6 identity, as I am trying to live by someone elses expactations. In the process i never felt good enough and I was miserable in the process. As a result, i was careful what i shared with my mum, in particular what was happening in my life and my friends life. Because she never responded in a positive way or she woukd use thatvinformation against me. By saying my friend is better.
    The last 9 mths i have been struggling with anxiety, which has been exasperated by my moms behaviour and ultimately expectations. I dont deny that i am grateful for everything she has done. When i turned for help for my anxiety/depression she was there, took me in and provided me with support but she still had these wild expectations of me. In the end she turned against me and my husband. Gave me an ultimatum to break my family up with my 2 small children. I knew my mom was going through issues and i coukd forgive her for acting out. I would sit there and she would berate me to do this and di that. But one day i decided to stand up for my self (with advice andcencouragement from my psychologist). Never would i imagine this was emotional abuse. I grew up in an European background and it was common for mothers to be firey and opinionated. Except when it came to my opinions, i was always silenced. I still love my mum despite all of this. But, i want peace in my life. I have avoided conflict all my life. I cant be in a negative environment space as it just brings out the worst in me.
    I thought mom and i were making some progress. You know has to get worse before it gets better. I last saw my mom and as hard as it is to show my mum emotion, i hugged mum goodbye and said id see her at the weekend. I get home from work when it’s dark and its cold and its doing the night routine of dinner/baths/play with kids/bedtime ..sat arrived i visited in the arvo and no one was home. I planned a family outing with my hubby and kids on sun and would visit on my day off monday. But my dad came and said it was typical of me to say im busy and i dont havectime to visit mom. Truth is during thecwork week is busy and long. But the anxiety i get going over there is too high, because i feel hopeless and not heard. Ive expressed my issues now and its never about me, its about how much ive hurt mom. Not only that she doesnt want to see me, but is still trying to dictate things like who will baptize my daughter amongst other things. I always feel i need her blessing so when i got it, i was set and now shes backflipping. I feel my life is in turmoil and the only healthy thing to do for me and my family is to stop contact. It kills me to say that. But ive tried setting up boundariescand limiting contact but she wint accept that as shecdoesnt accept me. This is my dilema.
    I have 2 questions:
    1. Is this me being selfish?
    2. Id love to hear experiences of other mother daughter relationships-positive and negative?.what is a healthy relationship. I havec2 daughters myself and im scared to death that the same will happen with me. I want to be a supportive mom and for them to be open without being judged or critisced.

    Thank you for listening and appreciate any advice and support.
    Best Wishes
    TM

    #77985
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi misunderstood,

    You are not being selfish. Don’t think of it as stopping contact, think of it as taking a break. You may change your mind.

    With my mom (for one instance) I would use The Broken Record Technique. One holiday she went on and on about everyone’s weight. We had an office “NO” button which would say “NO!” LOL. Every time she brought up weight I’d push the button. “NO!” I got the dirty looks, but she started up again. “NO!” Finally she stopped talking about it and we talked about politics and religion instead!

    The other thing I do is Let Them Talk Themselves Out. They rant and rave. I sit quietly and listen (and take it) for twenty minutes. They’re expecting me to get upset and argue. I don’t. Finally they stop and ask if I have anything to say. I reply, “I was going to say something but I lost my train of thought. I need to remember what I was just thinking about it was really important.” Then I go make tea and ask them if they want any. Change the script.

    Lastly I would keep asking questions. Even leading questions. No hint of anger in my voice. Then they’d answer. If they asked me what I thought I’d say, “Well, I think this but what do you think about that?” Never arguing.

    Basically I never tell the other person they’re wrong. I never argue. I’m all, “Oh, their face is turning red with rage, isn’t that interesting.” It’s an attitude.

    Hope this helps even a little,

    Inky

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 5 months ago by Inky.
    #77989
    Anonymous
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    Dear misunderstood:
    I will share with you a bit about my relationship with my mother, the ending it part: I so very often wished to free myself from my mother. It seemed to me life a dream come true, to live without her condemnations, disapproval, ongoing criticism and without her histrionic, narccistic, borderline explosions, without her attacks, verbal and physical attacks of me. Oh, the dream, the wish… Too guilty to do that. Too scared to hurt her. I was even afraid that if i did stop contact with her, that she will kill herself.

    Fast forward: at 52, a few months after my first serious psychotherapy, i stopped contact with her- first as an experiment. That was May 2013. Since then I wrote her a short letter and sent her a message via my sister. Those were two contacts I made with her since, and no more. Last was the message January 2014. Nothing since, not directly and not indirectly. The experiment is over- I will have no contact with her of any kind for the rest of my life.

    For the longest time since May 2013 I felt terribly guilty. There were times of relief (the dream of living without her in my life) followed by tremendous guilt and distress. Over and over again. And again. Only lately, very recently do I find myself smiling at the thought of never again having her in my life- and without feeling guilty.

    It has been a long and arduous journey, process, multi dimensional. If I knew how hard it would be, I don’t know if I could push myself forward. Maybe I would have stayed with my misery, my distress…But I pushed ahead, and eventually was able to let go. My GREAT anxiety (and depression) is relieved. Not gone but way, way improved, and my life is so much better. If I could change the past I would have stopped all contact with her way earlier, in my 20s if not before.

    She did not kill herself as i feared though. In my process I found out that it was me who always needed her. I was the one reaching out to her. I was the one putting the effort to love-and-be-loved by her. It was her who rejected me. ALl the time I believed i was the one hurting her, no: she was the one hurting me. I got it wrong. She is doing just the same without me and I am doing way better without her.

    If you have any questions, would like me to share more, let me know.
    anita

    #78062
    misunderstoood
    Participant

    Hi Inky, arghh i just wrote a long post for an error to pop up.
    I am glad that you you found a way to deal with your mom and find some peace back in your life. Those suggestions will help I hope. I dont usually like to talk about myself. But sometimes mom wants to find out more about me. I am not 7sually comfortable sharing details of me, for fear of judgement and criticism. I am not doing it her way or i am being wasteful or careless or whatever negative thing comes to mind. I have never been told of anything good ive done, but as soon as i do wrong. Its the first thing to be said. My mom complained that i dont complain about my husband. She wants me to share his bad habits. She complained about this because her friends daughter shared with her mum. So we should have a relationship like her friend and daughter. I dont like to air my problems to anyone, especially parents for fear of worry and critiscm and for fear of being used against me, which has happened with out areas. You learn from your mistak3es right, share what you are comfortable with.
    Also, there is a cultural issue comeing from a European background where double standards between me and my brothers. They too havechad turbulent relationships with my parents, but they were the instigators in those cases and my parents backed off for fear of losing them and all the blame placed on my father. Its hard being a daughter/girl. I just want peace and understanding and time to heal!!
    Best Wishes

    #78063
    misunderstoood
    Participant

    Hi Inky, arghh i just wrote a long post for an error to pop up.
    I am glad that you you found a way to deal with your mom and find some peace back in your life. Those suggestions will help I hope. I dont usually like to talk about myself. But sometimes mom wants to find out more about me. I am not 7sually comfortable sharing details of me, for fear of judgement and criticism. I am not doing it her way or i am being wasteful or careless or whatever negative thing comes to mind. I have never been told of anything good ive done, but as soon as i do wrong. Its the first thing to be said. My mom complained that i dont complain about my husband. She wants me to share his bad habits. She complained about this because her friends daughter shared with her mum. So we should have a relationship like her friend and daughter. I dont like to air my problems to anyone, especially parents for fear of worry and critiscm and for fear of being used against me, which has happened with out areas. You learn from your mistak3es right, share what you are comfortable with.
    Also, there is a cultural issue comeing from a European background where double standards between me and my brothers. They too havechad turbulent relationships with my parents, but they were the instigators in those cases and my parents backed off for fear of losing them and all the blame placed on my father. Its hard being a daughter/girl. I just want peace and understanding and time to heal!!
    Best Wishes

    #78064
    misunderstoood
    Participant

    Hi Anita, thanks for sharing your experiences. I am glad you have found peace and dont feel guilty. You have tried hard and if she cant find away to see that, its her loss. Did your mom reply or try to contact you?
    I take it that your mum has a different relationship with you andcyour sister? Has that affected your relationship with your sister? Were you treated differently? I dontvhave sisters only brothers and maybe because its cultural but my brothers are treated vastly different than i am. More expectations to act a particular way. If i dont then im not being a good catholic girl. I am bringing shame to my family. Truth is ive always grown up a tom boy, albeit very emotional and sensitive. I guess we were never a close knit family. I was the baby and everyone was always too busy doing their own thing. I dont want to make excusesxwhy i feel these feelings of not being good enough or being the daughter my mom always wanted but truth is, arent you shaped by your past history?? I tried to explain why i am emotionally disconnected, because i never had that connection growing up. But i am congering the past where it should belong. I think thats very unfair and such backward thinking. There arrogance is so deafening.
    Best Wishes

    #78074
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear misunderstood:
    You wrote: “i was careful what i shared with my mum, in particular what was happening in my life and my friends life. Because she never responded in a positive way or she woukd use that information against me…she turned against me and my husband. Gave me an ultimatum to break my family up with my 2 small children…when it came to my opinions, i was always silenced…I have never been told of anything good ive done, but as soon as i do wrong….”

    Your relationship with your mother was never a good relationship then. She did not validate you. she silenced you, bullied you and still does. She criticized you and still does.

    You also wrote: “its never about me, its about how much ive hurt mom.” Your life should be about you. Your father as well as your mother STILL silence you, giving you the message that YOUR life should not be about YOU.

    You wrote: “I feel my life is in turmoil and the only healthy thing to do for me and my family is to stop contact. It kills me to say that. But ive tried setting up boundariescand limiting contact but she wint accept that as shecdoesnt accept me.”

    I agree. Inky’s advice above, the broken record and all, I believe is good advice for how to deal with difficult people in many situations where you HAVE TO be around those people, maybe a work situation or a family gathering of once a year. But this is not good advice, I believe, for an adult child of an abusive parent who was and STILL is abusive.

    See, your mother is not a stranger you have to sometimes deal with, once a year or so, she is the person who shaped you. To someone else she is just a person, for you she means much, much more. Her words have more power on you than on a stranger. For a stranger, the broken record may work because the stranger has not been shaped by her from the time you were a baby.

    Regardless of culture, she was abusive. And her being abusive does not mean she always treated you abusively. Even the most abusive person in the world is sometimes kind to somebody.

    Regarding your question: my mother manipulated my sister and abused her. My sister has severe panic attacks, is a workaholic to the exclusions of anything else. She does not have a relationship and is not doing well. She3 screams if someone touches her. She has a distant contact with my mother. And my mother did not try to connect with me.

    I hope you do stop all contact with your mother as you stated that you are considering because it seems to me that she has been and still is abusive. Even if she wasn’t currently abusive, since she did not repair or attempt to repair her past abuse of you, it keeps on happening via lack of repair. It is her job to repair, not yours. I bet you tried… Her trying to interfere with your family of choice is dangerous to you. I hope you protect yourself, your husband and your children from this damaging woman.

    Any more questions and input from me- will be glad to share.

    Best wishes to you too:
    anita

    #78075
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear misunderstood:
    One more thing. I am pasting again what you worte: “I feel my life is in turmoil and the only healthy thing to do for me and my family is to stop contact. It kills me to say that. But ive tried setting up boundariescand limiting contact but she wint accept that as shecdoesnt accept me.”

    You stated here that you already tried setting up boundaries, limiting contact with her but she did not accept your boundaries. Her lack of acceptance of your boundaries and lack of acceptance (or respect) of you and your current family makes having contact with her, any contact with her, insane. Do you see that?

    anita

    #78351
    misunderstoood
    Participant

    Many thanks Anita for your input.
    My struggle is she is ny mom and ive always been taught you respect no matter what. I probably have not shown my appreciation the way she wants, because the relationship closeness was never there and her critical and judgemental voice. I am easily discouraged and if someone talks to me in away that diminishes my spirit i do tend to hide that from them, for fear of being critisced. Mom complains i treat my family with no respect and love. Its a complex story and i regret some of the things ive done but its only cos ive felt awkward and uncomfortable with my family.

    It does bother me mom doesnt respect my boundaries, but she genuinely believes shes not in the wrong. All the attacks and negativity is either from her own illness and out of love.
    I havent seen my mom in 3 wks now andcthat plays in the back of my mind since my dad tge messenger says that hes disappointed i dont go see her. But they arent putting steps in place to make it easy. My dad picks up my kids to visit my mom. Like if u want to fix it then do it together. I am too weak to go visit her, mainly because im damned if i do, im damned if i dont. If i see her, i will do something wrong or wont meet her expectations and she wont talk to me again!! Like she has done several times recently. I dont have energy for this tip toe, bending over backwards behaviour. I want to focus on my kids, my husband and my happiness.

    Ive always tip toed around my mom. If i was ever late to lunch because kids are kids. The tone in her voice but not even that her body language. Ice always stressed anything to do with my family, ive always been uptight and never showed my true personality.

    One of my brothers has distanced himself and he only comes when he decides to. I dont know if his issues are similar to mine re mom but im too afraid tonopen up for fear of rejection and he is ultra sensitive so dont want to rock the boat. I know he hasnt lived his life the way he wants because of moms expectations. Well one example i know not sure if thats why he distanced him from all of us.

    How are you coping with your prigress without your mom? Do you still go to therapy. Have you read many books on this subject better. Ive read “will i ever be good enough?” By Karyl McBride. Can i recommend if you havent already read it to go out and read it. Its brilliant book, spoke directly to me.

    Warm Regards
    Misunderstood

    #78353
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Misunderstood:
    Thank you for the book recommendation. I looked into http://www.willieverbegoodenough.com to read online about the book. I don’t need to read the book- I already know and more importantly I am aware more and more of the experience it was to “grow inward” with an abusive mother (mine well on the continuum of narcissistic/ histrionic/Borderline). As to your questions, I am no longer attending therapy (moved out of the state where I was having therapy) and I am in the midst of the long process of healing, working onit daily, using skills I learned in therapy and getting more insight.

    You wrote: “It does bother me mom doesnt respect my boundaries, but she genuinely believes shes not in the wrong. All the attacks and negativity is either from her own illness and out of love.” You wrote here: “All the attacks …out of love.” She attacks you out of love, you think? I challenge that thought or belief. I think that humans as animals attack when they are ANGRY, when they INTEND to hurt. This is what attacking is about. Here is an http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/attack definition of ATTACK: “to try to hurt, injure, or destroy (something or someone)”

    It is difficult, isn’t it, to SEE that a woman who is your own mother is trying to hurt you, isn’t it?

    Also, regardless of her intent or her illness, when you let go of a glass dish and it falls to the floor and breaks, is it less broken if you didn’t intend to drop it to the floor? Is it less broken if you dropped it because you were having a fever?

    I like your assertion: “I want to focus on my kids, my husband and my happiness.” and i do hope you focus on your kids, husband and happiness. I hope you focus then on LOVING and BEING LOVED by your kids.
    anita

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