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April 1, 2025 at 5:44 pm #444566
anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
About you feeling misunderstood, I am sorry Peter. Sincerely, I think that your intelligence is significantly superior to mine and it’s difficult for me to catch up.
“Healing coming from closing the distance to the Relationship with Self. My experience has been that when the latter is addressed the temporal now long past experiences resolves by de-solving.”- You say true healing comes not from revisiting the past, but from deepening the Relationship with Self.
But I have to revisit the past- and believe it really happened- because my self was left, abandoned, in places along that past.
“So the question what are you seeking?”- myself. The abandoned parts of self left along the way.
“Perhaps a better question. When does the seeker get to be one who found?”- maybe this very Tuesday evening, April (not Fool?) Day. Collecting the pieces left along the past: here’s the piece that wants to be loved, here’s the piece that’s so very scared, here’s the piece that.. wait, reverse, here’s the piece that so desperately want to be loved: “oh love me, love me, PLEASE!”
There it is: I am seeking love. I know it’s true because there are tears in my eyes. I always sought love, a thing that wasn’t there for me. it wasn’t there.
“So the question what are you seeking?”- Love, as Always.
anita
April 1, 2025 at 11:54 am #444562anita
ParticipantThinking about you, Alessa, hoping you are well đ¸
anita
April 1, 2025 at 11:47 am #444561anita
ParticipantDear Dafne: How are you?
anita
April 1, 2025 at 11:33 am #444560anita
ParticipantThinking about you, Jana, hoping you are well đđ
anita
April 1, 2025 at 11:14 am #444559anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
Good to read from you again! Inspired by our discussion yesterday, I started my own thread today: “The Betrayal We Buried: Healing Through Truth & Connection.”
You asked, “Iâm curious if you feel Iâm suggesting that our betrayals arenât real or that any literal separation of relationship needs to be justified?”âI didnât feel that you discouraged my physical separation from my mother. However, I do see a discrepancy between our perspectives: while we both acknowledge the reality of betrayal, we differ in how healing should happen.
I believe that recognizing and processing betrayal is the path forwardâsomething I wasnât fully able to embrace before because I doubted whether the betrayal even happened. You, on the other hand, see detaching from the narrative as the key to dissolving suffering related to betrayal.
You point to a higher-level awareness where betrayal, justification, and suffering become secondary to an inherent natural state of wholeness. However, this perspective can feel dismissive of real trauma if it suggests bypassing emotional processing. Trauma survivors often find that reconnection requires first acknowledging betrayal fully before letting it goânot simply moving past the story without processing it.
“We talked of the problem of rumination. That each retelling of our stories is an act of reliving them, often reinforcing the illusion that the past happening is happening now.”- I believe I will stop retelling my story when I fully believe it happened. I canât emphasize enough how much gaslighting myself has played a role here. I keep retelling my story because part of me is still trying to convince the other (fragmented, separated) part that what I truly experienced was real. At this point, I am highly motivated to believe my own (retold) story so I can move beyond it.
“The danger is that we become attached to our storytelling, and it’s this attachment that creates the illusion of distance from our natural selfâand so we suffer.”- If I start fully believing my story, I will stop retelling it. The distance from my natural self has been real. I know you say itâs real only in the temporal realm, but we live in the temporal realmâand for as long as we exist in it, we cannot escape its reality.
“That the question of our betrayals being real or not may be a second-half-of-life distraction. We donât need to fix our betrayals to get back to our ‘natural selves.’ Awakening to the reality that we are already and always Are.”- I understand that youâre saying we donât need to fix past betrayals to be whole againârather, we should awaken to the reality that we were never truly broken in the first place.
In the eternal realm we were not broken. In the temporal realm, we were. I was. I suppose I canât fix past betrayals, but I do need to believe they happened. I canât emphasize enough the role of denying my own storyâthe one I keep retelling.
“Death, a process of detachment (not indifference), removes the illusion of separation.”- There is no illusion in the reality of separationâseparation is tangible, an undeniable reality in human experience. Yes, it happens in the temporal realm, but the temporal realm is where we live. While we can incorporate a touch of the eternal, we cannot escape the reality of time and space.
I really liked all your input about the eternal realm, over time, and found comfort in it. This realm exists, of course. But the temporal exists as well, and in very practical, tangible ways.
“Innocence is knowing everything (life as it is) and still being attracted to the good.” âClarissa Pinkola EstĂŠs (Sound familiar?) đ”- Amen! The ultimate goalânot to erase the past or deny its reality (gaslighting oneself), but to move forward with awareness and still embrace connection, compassion, and love, “Healing Through Truth & Connection”, as I phrased it in my new tread.
Peter, I truly appreciate the thoughtfulness and depth you bring to these conversations. Your insights challenge me to explore new perspectives, and I value the way you articulate complex ideas with such clarity and openness. Thank you for engaging in this dialogue with meâyour reflections are meaningful, and I deeply respect the wisdom you share.
anita
April 1, 2025 at 10:21 am #444558anita
ParticipantDear Reader:
In my posts on this thread, I will seek to reconnect with the betrayal I buriedâto see it as it truly was. In doing so, I hope to uncover the emotions long suppressed within me, to bridge the gaps, to heal the separations within. My journey is one of moving from self-fragmentation to self-integration, of restoring inner connection so that I may also connect outwardâwith you, the person reading this.
Here I go: It was scaryâvery scary. It felt like being suspended in the air, never knowing when I would hit the ground, completely crash, and cease to exist.
I was suspended in the air, suspended in timeâfive decades of timeâfocused on one thing only: not falling, not dying.
There was no time to live. No time to look outwardâto people, to play, to connection, to love. No time for long-term planning.
There was this special person in my life carrying the title mother. I loved her. I needed her. But she turned away from meâotherwise occupied. And when she did turn toward me, it was too often with hostility, criticism, accusations, shaming, and guilt-tripping.
None of it was justified.
When she turned toward me with affection, I couldn’t accept itâbecause the hostility lingered. Because more hostility was always yet to come.
I recounted some of the same memories with her, again and again. Yet I never stopped gaslighting myselfânot completely. Some part of me was still working to convince myself that something really bad happened, that I wasnât making it up.
People told meâI told myselfâ”Let her go!” But I say:
I willâwhen I stop gaslighting myself. I willâwhen I reclaim the parts of me that I buried deep down. I willâwhen I reconnect to the emotions I repressed and suppressed.
More later.
anita
April 1, 2025 at 8:52 am #444552anita
ParticipantDear Astrid:
Youâre very welcome! I can sense the depth of your emotions in your words, and I want to acknowledge how difficult this journey has been for you. Even though itâs been around seven months since the breakup, you still experience waves of sadness that feel just as fresh as when it first happened. This is a normal part of grief, but the intensity of these emotions suggests you may still be caught between the desire for reconciliation and the search for closure, making it hard to fully accept the breakup as final.
Perhaps your emotional attachment remains strong because you ended the relationship during what you described as âa rash state of overwhelm.â If the decision was made impulsively, itâs natural to question whether it was truly the right oneâregret can stem from feeling that something was undone too quickly or without full consideration. Or maybe the separation feels like a personal failure, something difficult to confront.
If you see yourself as someone who nurtures and protects relationships (“I have never ended any sort of relationship or friendship before”), walking away could feel like betraying your own values, leading to internal conflict.
If your friendship or relationship was deeply tied to your identity, stepping away might feel like losing a part of yourself, leaving you uncertain about how to redefine your life without that connection. That kind of transition is incredibly challenging.
If any of these thoughts resonate with you, Iâd love to read your reflections. No matter where you are in this process, your emotions are valid, and you deserve the time and space to navigate them in a way that feels right for you.
anita
April 1, 2025 at 7:55 am #444548anita
ParticipantDear saadat:
Your research topic is fascinating, and I appreciate your deep exploration of how different groups engage with escapism in response to global events. Iâm not a Buddhist practitioner, but I do follow certain Buddhist principles, particularly the idea of removing illusions from my thinking and seeing reality as it is.
In that sense, I approach life not through escapism, but by consciously engaging with realityâaccepting it as it is rather than seeking to escape. Iâd be happy to share my perspective if you think it would be relevant to your research. Perhaps contrasting this approach with more conventional ideas of escapism could add a new dimension to your study.
Let me know if I can contribute in any way, and I wish you the best with your project!
anita
March 31, 2025 at 4:17 pm #444532anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
Thank you for your thoughtful responseâit really got me thinking. To answer your question, âWhat happened between connection and disconnection?â I believe itâs primarily early life abuse or betrayal that creates that divide. When a child experiences this from parents or society, it disrupts their natural sense of connection and leaves them feeling deeply wounded and disconnected.
Abuse and betrayal, in my view, are real events that cause an undeniable rupture. These arenât misinterpretations of realityâwhen trust is broken by a parent, it truly happens. A child, not yet shaped by distorted thinking, perceives this betrayal clearly and accurately.
Your example of the sun neither rising nor setting beautifully illustrates the illusion created by thought and measurement. We may misinterpret the sunâs movements as separation (of day from night), but when it comes to early life betrayal, the disconnection is realâit isnât a matter of misperception.
Maybe itâs the aftermath of early-life betrayalâthe self-doubt and questioning of whether the betrayal was even realâthat gives rise to distortions and misinterpretations, adding further layers of disconnection within. For the many of us who were betrayed early in life, recognizing the betrayal for what it truly was can serve as the first step toward reconnection within and without.
What do you think, Peter?
anita
March 31, 2025 at 3:25 pm #444531anita
ParticipantDear Melinda:
I read both of your postsâyour September 2024 share, and your recent update 6 months laterâand I want to acknowledge everything youâve been through. Your pain and the immense challenges you have faced deserve to be heard and recognized.
In September, you shared the heartbreaking loss of your son and the unbearable grief that followed. You also opened up about the betrayal from your sister and nieces over your sonâs ashes, which led to painful conflict and the end of those relationships. On top of that, you spoke about losing your best friend after she abandoned you during such a vulnerable time and even acted aggressively at your sonâs funeral. All of this left you feeling numb, stuck, and alone.
Since then, it seems like even more challenges have come your way. Your motherâs actions caused you to lose your job, and her unkind words about you left a deep wound. Then, losing your laptopâand with it your sonâs photos and voice recordingsâwas another devastating loss of his memory. More recently, your apartment flooded, forcing you to leave with only a few belongings, your pets, and temporary shelter. Weeks later, youâre still without access to your things, stuck in a motel, and feeling even more isolated and scared.
Your question about why so much negativity keeps happening is a reflection of how much pain and exhaustion youâre carrying. Itâs clear youâve been through so much, and youâve survived it all, even though it feels unbearable.
I want to add a poem just for you:
When the world feels dark, and the nights stretch long,
Know you carry a strength thatâs quiet, but strong.Each tear youâve cried has a story to tell,
Of courage, of love, and the battles youâve held.
Even in loneliness, your spirit survives,
A testament to the will that keeps you alive.The path may be rugged, the climb may be steep,
But you hold within you treasures to keep.Though the storm feels endless, and the skies stay gray,
Remember, clouds part, and sun finds its way.
Youâre not defined by the trials youâve met,
But by the resilience that wonât let you forgetâThat your story is yours, a narrative of might,
Where even the shadows bow down to your light.
Take heart, dear soul, though the journey is tough,
You are brave, you are strongâand you are enough.anita
March 31, 2025 at 10:40 am #444525anita
ParticipantDear Nichole:
I can deeply relate to your fears of abandonment and being alone. Despite my mother being undependable as a source of emotional security, I remained dependent on her because there was no one else. Growing up in a tiny apartment with just the two of us, she was the only source of security I could hope for, even if she rarely provided it.
At some point, I grew very angry with herâfor making my life revolve around her, for hurting me in countless ways. I longed for freedom from her, but as a helpless and dependent child, I doubted my ability to make it on my own. This created a strong push-and-pull dynamic: wanting to escape but fearing abandonment at the same time.
To protect myself from the pain of her behavior, I distanced myself emotionally as best I could. I suppressed empathy and love as a survival mechanism, because feeling those emotions fullyâwhile enduring her blame, emotional volatility, and threatsâwas unbearable. Yet, deep down, the bond I had with her still instilled a fear of losing her entirely, whether I realized it or not.
I experienced a profound ambivalence, simultaneously holding anger, love, fear, and longing. My anger toward her and my desire to escape didnât negate the fundamental bond I had as her child. Trying not to feel empathy or love was my way of protecting myself from further hurt, especially since those feelings were often met with shame, blame, or even threats of suicide or harm. Still, the fear of abandonment lingered beneath the surface, tied to the emotional vulnerability I worked so hard to suppress.
These mixed emotionsâloving her but being angry, craving freedom but fearing abandonmentâwere overwhelming. The constant coexistence of love, anger, and fear left me emotionally confused and robbed me of the foundation needed to feel safe, take risks, and form my own identity. Instead, I remained stuck in that ambivalence and confusion.
A predictable caregiver teaches a child that their emotional world is manageable, building trust in both others and themselves. An unpredictable caregiver, on the other hand, teaches a child that emotions are unmanageable, fostering distrust and leading to emotional dysregulationâthe hallmark of impulsivity and reactivity.
Like you, I took on the role of an emotional caretaker for my mother. I tried to fix or help her, not out of confidence, but as a survival instinct. It wasnât about feeling capableâit was about trying to create some semblance of stability in a chaotic environment. Despite feeling weak and helpless, I felt compelled to take on this role. If I could make her better, maybe I could prevent things from getting worse. It gave me a sense of control, even if it was just an illusion.
I loved my mother deeply, though I spent much of my childhood convincing myself otherwise to shield myself from the pain of her struggles. She often blamed me for her unhappiness and threatened suicide, leaving me overwhelmed by empathy I couldnât bear to feel. Suppressing my feelings made me believe I didnât love her, but later in life, I came to realize that I did love her deeplyâI was just consumed by anger and needed to protect myself.
Taking care of her wasnât just about love; it felt like a duty. I believed that if I didnât step into the role, no one else would. I hoped my efforts might make a difference, earn her acknowledgment, or bring me the support I so desperately needed. As a child, I thought I could fix her problems and make her happy, not understanding that I was carrying a burden far beyond my capacity. Far beyond any child’s capacity.
In many ways, my actions were about survivalâsuppressing empathy, stepping into the caretaker role, and trying to “fix” her were all ways I coped with the chaos. Even as I longed to be free from her, I also feared abandonment. She was a source of pain, but also familiarity, and losing her entirely would have meant facing an unknown I wasnât ready for.
These conflicting feelingsâlove, anger, fear, and longingâwere incredibly complex and shaped how I related to her and the world around me. Processing these dynamics over time has helped me understand myself better and has given me tools to heal.
You asked me how I am. Well, these days, I am finding peace in embracing empathy for others. It feels liberating to let go of suppressing empathy, to care for people, and to build meaningful connections.
Does any part of this resonate with you?
anita
March 31, 2025 at 9:11 am #444519anita
ParticipantDear Frozenfireflies:
We explored your relationship with your husband in your first thread, âNegative Conflict Styles,â from Dec 9, 2022, to Feb 22, 2023, and your relationship with your sister in this thread, from Feb 3â6, 2023. Rereading your posts today, I was struck by your remarkable self-awareness and intelligenceâboth rational and emotionalâas well as your kindness and grace. It would be wonderful to hear from you again, whether about these two relationships or anything else happening in your life.
Dear Lucidity:
Thank you for sharing your storyâitâs clear how much this relationship means to you and how deeply youâve been hurt by the lack of effort from your sister. I can relate to two key aspects of what youâve shared:
1) A Troubled Childhood: âTroubled household due to problematic parents.â Like you, I grew up in a difficult household with problematic parents. My parents divorced early on, and I was raised by my mother alongside my younger sister.
2) The Impact on Sibling Bonds: âBecause of how we were raised, my sister and I have never been close.â Similarly, growing up in such an environment, my focus was entirely on managing the unpredictability of my mother. This left little room for me to bond with anyone, including my sister.
Growing up in a household filled with chronic stress and conflict can leave siblings emotionally drained, with little energy to invest in their relationship with one another. Competing for parental attention and praise can create distance, and if parents pit siblings against each other through comparisons or favoritism, it deepens that divide even further.
Siblings often cope with the challenges of a troubled household differently. For instance, one sibling might emotionally withdraw as a way to protect themselves, avoiding deep connections, while the other actively seeks relationships to fill the emotional void. These contrasting coping styles can lead to an emotional disconnectâone sibling may perceive the other as distant, while the other may feel overwhelmed or pressured by attempts at closeness.
Additionally, when siblings experience trauma or neglect, they might unintentionally associate each other with those painful memories. This can result in avoidance or emotional distance later in life.
Do you feel that any of this resonates with your experience?
One thing to consider is adjusting your expectationsânot as giving up, but as a way of protecting your emotional health. You can express care for your sister without feeling solely responsible for maintaining the relationship. Accepting her as she is, while holding healthy boundaries, might help reduce feelings of sadness and frustration.
If it feels right, you could also gently share your feelings in a non-confrontational way. For example: âI always appreciate hearing from youâit brightens my day. Iâd love for us to chat more often if possible.â This could encourage her without creating pressure.
Lastly, I encourage you to focus on nurturing relationships with others who value and respect your efforts. Her behavior is not a reflection of your worthâyou absolutely deserve connections that bring you joy and fulfillment.
I hope this helps, and Iâm wishing you clarity and peace as you navigate this.
anita
March 30, 2025 at 6:05 pm #444502anita
ParticipantDear Melinda:
Iâm so sorry to read about everything youâve been through. The loss of your son alone is devastating beyond words, but to also face betrayal, loss, and such an unrelenting series of hardships is unimaginable. Itâs no wonder youâre feeling overwhelmedâit would be more than enough for anyone.
Losing the photos and recordings of your son must have been especially heartbreaking, and Iâm so sorry that happened.
Take things one day at a time. Itâs okay to feel lost or scared, but try to remind yourself of the small acts of courage youâre showing each dayâwhether itâs caring for your kitty and dog, facing the day despite the fear, or simply breathing through the pain. Those moments matter, and theyâre proof of the strength you might not even realize you have.
I hope that the restoration company provides access to your belongings soon, and that each day ahead brings a little more peace. You deserve light in your life again, even if it feels impossibly far away right now. Please keep holding onâyouâre stronger than you realize, and your story matters more than you know.
anita
March 30, 2025 at 12:39 pm #444499anita
ParticipantYesterday, as I was walking down the hill, beautiful trees to my right and left (I noticed trees are beautiful alive or dead, upright or fallen down, even rotting, they are still beautiful in a thousand unique ways), I noticed that I (she) was not arguing with me, scrutinizing my thoughts, finding fault with my thoughts. I realized that 14 years since I last saw her, 12 years since I last heard her voice, she has been with me throughout all these no-contact years. It was nice not having her within me yesterday.
It is amazing how a foreign entity (her) can be an invader of the most private space, such as one own’s silent thoughts.
This morning, I “heard” her yelling at me when I perceived that what I was doing could be objectionable. It was not a loud yell, but quite muted, yet, it was still a disapproval that I heard.
Chased by disapproval, persecuted by relentless criticism.
anita
March 30, 2025 at 11:57 am #444498anita
ParticipantDear Tom:
Thank you for the update! Iâm glad to read that the call with the career shift company was helpful and gave you some actionable insights. Thinking broadly and connecting ideas back to your key values sounds like a great approachâit gives you the chance to explore new paths while staying grounded in whatâs important to you.
Itâs also reassuring to know that youâre not alone in how youâre feeling. Hearing that others share similar experiences can be such a comfort and a reminder that these transitions are part of a shared journey.
I know itâs not an easy road, but itâs clear that youâre approaching this with an open mind and a lot of determination, which is inspiring. Keep taking those small steps forwardâyouâre on the right track, and Iâm confident youâll make meaningful progress.
Wishing you a great weekend as well!
anita
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