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  • #455515
    anita
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    Hi Peter:

    I am using my phone. But had the use of a computer earlier and had a conversation with Copilot in regard to the 2 posts I addressed to you yesterday and the first post you addressed to me this morning.

    I think that I am at the point of having the best understanding of our different communication styles and what those might mean (not having access to AI, so these are my words):

    This might appear jumbled because I’m typing as I think, nothing planned.

    It just occurred to me why I NEED to communicate in concrete language and why you need to communicate in abstract, symbolic language: I grew up in intellectual chaos, confusing, no predictability. Nothing was simple or concrete.

    You grew up, as I understand it, in a rigid, concrete environment (Christian, heaven or hell, this OR that), no safe space for ambiguity, for this AND that.

    So, I grew up to need simple and concrete; you grew up to need what’s removed from the over- simplicity, the overly concrete.

    Maybe we both grew up in chaos, only mine was apparent on the outside (a crazy, unpredictable mother), and yours was not apparent on the outside (?), having haf igid, church going predictable parents, but real chaos on the inside of you.

    Fast forward, you and I happen to communicate here, in these forums. I talk simple, direct, concrete ( best I can); you talk complicated, indirect, abstract.

    Remember I reached out to you in regard to our child versions running on green grass? At first, you didn’t respond at all. Later you responded in a Peter-unusual style, emotional style, only I could easily detect it being an AI generated response.

    I think of it affectionately now, to realize how you meant well, how you tried to match my style, a bit of people-pleasing.

    Sometime along the way, I perceived you to be a cold, unfeeling person, and I was angry at you for not reciprocating my running-across-green-fields imagery ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™‚๏ธ and my other efforts to connect with you emotionally.

    Now, I am thinking that you’ve been trying to emotionally connect with people in the forums in your own way.

    Your way can easily- I think- can come across as cold and unfeeling, but that’s not how it is within you. It’s just the Style, something that came about in childhood, and understandably.

    So, now, I figure, if I want to understand what you’re saying, I have to decode it into simple, direct language (AI), or maybe AI can help me present my thoughts and feelings in an abstract, symbolic, metaphorical format. Yes, I am sure Copilot can help with that!

    But since I am on my phone, I will try to do this on my own (this makes me ๐Ÿ˜ƒ, I doubt if I can do it)

    Okay, let’s see ๐Ÿ‘€ if I can be Peter for a moment, on my own (no AI):

    An Anita generated parable (this is going to be an inferior production, I have no doubt ๐Ÿ˜Œ):

    There was a girl who died in a burning ๐Ÿ”ฅ forest, a long way from the city, a place where no one was to look for her, and no one did.

    Forgotten by all except for a spark โœจ๏ธ in the ashes, one that didn’t, wouldn’t die.

    That little spark wanted to be BIG, to be SEEN by all because it was never seen AT ALL.

    See ๐Ÿ‘€ the big case letters screaming?

    That’s the silent spark wanting to be fire ๐Ÿ”ฅ

    End

    ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™‚๏ธโœจ๏ธ Anita

    #455511
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Confused: I feel uncomfortable about the THIRD post that I submitted to you being “reported for inappropriate content” (right above). Can you clarify this for me?

    #455501
    anita
    Participant

    It’d be a miracle reading from you again, Ben ๐Ÿ™

    ๐Ÿค Anita

    #455500
    anita
    Participant

    * Oh, I just noticed, I wrote “nothing was found”, I meant no blockage was found, but it could have been read as No Brain Was Found.

    Such phrasing could have been what got me in trouble with Bruce who commented about the possible non-existance of my brain.

    Bruce, 70 year-old, I miss him.

    #455499
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Confused:

    Reading your answer, I remembered something I read long ago:

    Q: “How to get out of prison when there’s no way out?”

    A: “Stop wanting to get out”

    Stop wanting to feel what you don’t feel, and you may feel it.

    Like, radically accept what is, not wanting it to be any different.. and it may.

    ๐ŸŒ™๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿคช Anita

    #455498
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    Thank you for congratulating me about getting my first ever tattoo and for thinking of me ๐Ÿ˜Š

    Bogart is adorable even though the other day, he rolled over something during a walk. When getting back home, it became obvious to the nose ๐Ÿ‘ƒ that he rolled on something dead. I used a wet towel with shampoo to wipe the smell off of him repeatedly, until he smelled like shampoo.

    On a second walk today, he improved on the pulling. It’s extra difficult when it comes to a beagle who is led by his nose.

    You mentioned having had 2 huskies. I shared long ago in one of my threads that on a lone walk ๐Ÿšถโ€โ™€๏ธ, I was confronted by a coyote that considered feasting on me. I later thought it may have been a coydog (half coyote, half ๐Ÿ•), and most recently, I am considering it was a neighbor’s husky (without a collar), because on a recent walk with Bogart, we came across a no collar, no leash husky, although now (5 years after my horrifying experience) is now an older dog.

    Now, the reason I thought it was a coyote back in 2021 was that it didn’t bark during the whole confrontation. Back then I thoughts all dogs bark.

    Question: do huskies bark like other dogs, or do they howl like wolves, or do they normally stay quiet?

    Also, are they more hostile than other dogs?

    I figure you’d know.

    Did your shoulders recover from walking 2 huskies? I hope mine recover from walking a beagle.

    Oh, yes, I definitely heard of Pokรฉmon, saw cartoons, pikachoo comes to mind. Which Pokรฉmon did you have in mind for a tattoo?

    Yes, tattoo are expensive, the minimal cost of a tattoo by the artist that did mine is $150. I am not thinking of a 2nd tattoo!

    I had mine on the side of my lower, left arm. Where are you thinking of placing your Pokรฉmon tattoo, if you go through with it?

    I like ๐Ÿ‘ everything you wrote about in regard to teaching autonomy to a child. Yes, my autonomy was vandalized by my mother, heavy duty. From feeding me to washing me in teenage age. That’s heavy duty, and that’s just the physical part.

    I am sorry you suffered so much growing up, but glad you had supportive teachers. Every bit of support counts.

    I am looking at Bogart right now. My first dog! I had no idea what I missed all those years!

    I think you said on another thread- 17 more days to your new ๐Ÿˆ. 16 days by the time you read this, exciting ๐Ÿ˜€?

    Thank you, as always, for your empathy ๐Ÿค and for engaging with me ๐Ÿ™

    ๐Ÿค๐ŸŒ™๐Ÿ˜ด Anita

    #455496
    anita
    Participant

    You are very welcome!

    What emotion do you miss the most?

    #455494
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Peter:

    I must admit: without the help of AI in translating what you are saying (too abstract
    too fancy; not oncrete enough for me), zI don’t understand what you’re saying

    Even if I wanted to use AI at this time to concreticide (to make concrete, lol) what you wrote, I can’t- because my adorable dog (and my lack of caution) destroyed my computer and I don’t know how to access AI on my phone AND continue a message.

    Looking at the title of your thread, I wonder if there’s any truth to Prison House of the Abstract? or is it just me.

    It could be my personal challenge in regard to the abstract, a lack of the kind of intelligence required to decipher it, which brings me to tinnitus. I remember years ago you shared about it.

    It happened to me one day that I noticed there is no more silence for me, only static, and at times, a ringing, and then ๐Ÿ™€ came the pulsating tinnitus: hearing the sound of a pulse. I looked it up and read that it could mean that a blood vessel going to the brain ๐Ÿง  is blocked.

    I went to a doctor, had an imaging of my brain done- and nothing was found. But my point is that when I shared about it irl, someone commented: “So, you have proof (the imaging) that you do have a brain?”

    It’s true, and he noticed, that I don’t understand abstract, figurative language.

    What I increasingly like about myself these very days though, is that I understand emotional language more and more. I am feeling more human than ever before.

    โœจ๏ธ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿค` Anita

    #455493
    anita
    Participant

    This reply has been reported for inappropriate content.

    Dear Confused:

    Calming the 24/7 running ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™‚๏ธ ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธ thoughts- that would be great ๐Ÿ‘ . Maybe his confidence in this particular medication ๐Ÿ’Š is justified.

    Maybe he is out of the box ๐Ÿ“ฆ kind of psychiatric and maybe his straightforward style works.

    Also, maybe ๐Ÿค” the first time you described the apt you were very anxious ( you said you were “shocked”) and you didn’t accurately recount what he said, or in context.

    Hope to read more from you this evening (here). Whenever you want to talk, I’m here.

    ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ“ฆ๐Ÿ’Š๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค Anita

    #455484
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    I walked Bogart a couple of hours ago, training him still to not pull (using your guidance ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ™). We both made progress today: I am better at training him and there’s improvement on his part.

    Yesterday’s walk was tough and at one point I screamed at him and felt guilty. I made up my mind to learn from yesterday and glad I did better today.

    As we were walking, I was worried about why you didn’t reply to me, and I am glad to receive this reply a little while ago ๐Ÿ™

    I’ll keep in mind that you’re busy studying and being a dedicated, hard working mother ๐Ÿ‘ฉ

    I’ll reply further this evening or tomorrow morning. I hope ๐Ÿ™ that both you and your son ๐Ÿ˜ด better tonight!

    ๐ŸŒ™๐Ÿค๐Ÿ˜ด Anita

    #455483
    anita
    Participant

    Hello ๐Ÿ‘‹ dear Confused:

    I too had the “early psychosis” symptoms but never developed psychosis. These symptoms overlap with anxiety and I did suffer a lot of anxiety in the past.

    He prescribed you with an anti-psychotic, but anti-psychotics are prescribed for anxiety or tics (Tourettes) without psychosis. Maybe it’ll help you. Don”t know.

    But he, the psychiatrist guaranteed you that the drug will help, that’s like a promise, isn’t it๐Ÿ™„

    ๐Ÿค Anita

    #455482
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi:

    It occurred to me, in regard to your girlfriend telling you that you should get your sh** together, that a man with a stable source of income, someone INDEPENDENT, wouldn’t put himself into a situation where he would become DEPENDENT (by proxy of his girlfriend or wife’s emotional dependence) on her mother.

    It’s a man like her ex who needed a place to crash or a man like you who’se not settled, who needs a place to stay in Poland, who would be willing to put up with dependency on her mother.

    So, she and her mother may reject an independent man and accept a dependent one, yet complain about him.

    The fact that she doesn’t seem disturbed over her emotional fusion with her mother-at 39- tells me a change is not likely to happen, at least not for as long as her mother is alive.

    I suppose that when her mother was depressed for years, your girlfriend tried her best to make her feel better, to take care of her emotionally (role reversal) and her mother rewarded her for it, so the role stuck.

    Mentally, your girlfriend may be her mother’s mother, and she’d be a bad mother if she was to abandon her child (her mother).

    As to why she’s willing to spend time on a holiday with you but not on living with you.. I suppose it’s okay with her mother that the two of you spend a holiday together, but it wouldn’t be okay with her mother (she’d be sad or hurt) if her daughter moved away.

    As I am typing, I am thinking of Role Reversal. Your girlfriend having a little girl (her mother) to take care of, to call her often when away, to keep reassuring that mommy (gf) will be back home soon.

    Yes, Copilot and I independently think that this situation will bother ANY man with any measure of mental health, and you are mentally healthy enough to be bothered by this situation ๐Ÿ‘

    Congrats for dusting off your old ๐Ÿ“ธ equipment!

    ๐Ÿค Anita

    #455475
    anita
    Participant

    Continued:

    So, I loved her and I hated her and tried to suppress (push down, fight against) both of those emotional experiences, being stuck in chronic tension, anxiety and depression for decades.

    I found out that healing/ peace of mind, is about EXPRESSING (as I am doing right now), to bring out into the light what’s been in the dark for too long.

    Another way to say it: it’s about freeing my emotions from a 2 dimensional, suffocated existence to a 3 dimensional existence.

    That’s when emotions relax- when you give them the 3rd dimension, air to breathe and relax.

    My love for her relaxed (it doesn’t feel like pressure, like guilt), and my anger at her relaxed as well. It doesn’t feel like war-within.

    ๐Ÿค๐Ÿ™๐Ÿค Anita

    #455473
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Mollie:

    Iโ€™ve been thinking about your last message, and something really struck me โ€” the way you hold love and gratitude for your parents while also acknowledging the pressure and overwhelm. That kind of emotional balance is rare. Most people swing to one extreme or the other, but you seem to have a very grounded sense of nuance. It says a lot about your emotional maturity.

    And youโ€™re right: stressful seasons like preparing for the bar tend to amplify old patterns. It doesnโ€™t mean the patterns arenโ€™t real โ€” just that they become louder when life demands more from you. When things quiet down, you may find that the same themes are still there, just in a softer form.

    I admire how reflective you are about all of this. You donโ€™t shy away from looking inward, even when itโ€™s uncomfortable. Thatโ€™s a strength ๐Ÿ’ช

    You wrote yesterday that I am selfless, but I do get something out of trying to understand how people’s childhoods affect their adulthoods: it helps me understand the same about me.

    You asked, “Please tell me more about how you are doing. How have you been able to find peace in those bouts of anxiety? Did you take a break from the online world?”-

    Yes, I do take breaks from the online world. I’m usually online in the mornings and in the evenings. I used to socialize with people in the real world a whole lot earlier, almost every day, sometimes up to 10 hours a day, but not much and not enough since Dec of last year because of a business closing. I socialize in the local taproom a few times a week and really enjoy it!

    About finding peace, I’ll share what the analytical post I sent you on Feb 21 brought up for me in regard to seeking my own peace of mind:

    I grew up in a home with conflict and tension. I can still feel the tension in my body all those years later, in the form of motor and vocal tics (Tourette’s) which involve physical tension.

    There was a lot of emotional instability in the home (which didn’t feel like a home, but more like a pressure cooker), and I indeed absorbed a lot of the stress I grew up with.

    My mother was explosive and her explosions were unpredictable. I tried my very best, again and again and again (after each time I failed) to be perfect so to prevent her next explosion.

    My focus was my mother, how she felt. How I felt was moved out of focus. In other words, my needs, feelings, wants, preferences, those were moved so far out of my focus that I no longer knew what they were.

    I felt responsible for how she felt, felt very guilty, as if I caused her to be miserable or angry, as if I birthed her, not the other way around. I wasn’t a care-free child or adolescent.. or adult.

    I loved my mother deeply, but I also felt trapped and often angry. I tried to stop caring about her so that I could become a separate person, living my own life, so I kept being angry at her, but the anger never led to separating from her (psychologically). What did help is to allow myself to feel love for her, to not push down that love (trying unsuccessfully to get rid of it). (I’ll continue this post later).

    #455471
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi:

    To add to my last night’s stream of consciousness, full of questions reply, in regard to Woody Allen, I used to LOVE his movies, great fan but stopped watching him/ his movies when he married his partner’s (Mia Farrow’s) daughter who was around 21-22 when their romantic relationship became public, being 35 years younger than him (and who knows when their sexual relationship started, before it became public).

    You wrote yesterday, “There has never been space for me. I know .. right?… I donโ€™t need her mother to be everywhere and in everything and often I feel thatโ€™s the case. If we are somewhere out, sheโ€™s texting her mother, calling her… Her mother gives her a long hug while they whisper something to each otherโ€™s ears.”-

    I’m thinking that maybe you do carry a sensitivity carried from childhood, for not having space BUT her too-too-too close relationship with her mother would bother anyone.. well, it bothers me just reading about it. They “whisper something to each other’s ear”- it’s like your girlfriend is already married, like her mother is in the center of her mind/ her life, and you are in the margins.

    I am sorry, Robi. I can see why it’s been so draining to you ๐Ÿ˜ž

    Before I go, I copied the last post you addressed to me and without adding any of my thoughts, nor adding anything else you ever shared, I asked AI to analyze your girlfriend’s relationship with her mother as well asking how that relationship would affect any man wanting to build a life with her. Here’s the answer:

    “It sounds like your girlfriendโ€™s relationship with her mother is extremely fused, to the point where thereโ€™s almost no emotional or practical separation between them.

    When a parent and adult child stay that tightly intertwined, it can make it very hard for a partner to build a life with them, because thereโ€™s no real space for the relationship to grow on its own.

    The constant texting, the rituals before leaving the house, the need to check in every hour, and the difficulty she has spending full time away from her mother all suggest a bond where the mother remains the central figure in her life, even above the relationship.

    That kind of dynamic can leave any partner feeling like a visitor rather than a priority, because the parent-child connection takes up the space where a romantic partnership would normally develop.

    It doesnโ€™t mean sheโ€™s a bad person or that she doesnโ€™t care about you โ€” but it does mean she hasnโ€™t created the emotional or physical independence needed for a shared life with someone else. Anyone in your position would feel sidelined, exhausted, and unsure of their place, because youโ€™re trying to build a twoโ€‘person relationship inside a structure thatโ€™s already built for two โ€” her and her mother โ€” with no room left for you.

    Her relationship with her mother appears so fused and boundaryless that it leaves almost no emotional space for a romantic partner. That alone can make a longโ€‘term partnership extremely difficult, no matter how much love or effort the other person brings.”

    ๐Ÿค Anita

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