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  • #457425
    anita
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    Bringing this up to study later

    #457424
    anita
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    I 👀 your point. I am thinking that if you listen to đŸŽ¶ đŸŽ” and let yourself feel (or not) about no one in particular, or about a non- threatening fantasy figure, that it might do something positive 4 u.

    Or not.

    🐉🐇 Anita

    #457422
    anita
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    Hey 2 intelligent & aware 4 his own good 🌙 🩉 Confused:

    Thank you!

    Maybe I’ll watch the video tomorrow, on my đŸ–„

    How would I connect the spirit dancing when the body is not to you missing the in-love feeling?

    đŸ€” đŸ€” đŸ€” đŸ€” đŸ€” đŸ€” đŸ€”

    đŸ€” đŸ€” đŸ€” 🔒 🔑 đŸ€” đŸ€” đŸ€”

    I danced without moving ( feeling GOOD)=> you feeling in- love without anyone particular to love?

    As in listening to romantic đŸŽ¶ đŸŽ” ❀ đŸŽ¶ đŸŽ” and falling in love with no one in particular?

    Developing this further: fall in- love with life, not with any particular person.. so, you don’t owe her or anyone to feel one way or another.

    I may be making no sense.

    đŸŽ”đŸŽ¶ đŸ· no-🧠 đŸ€Ș Anita

    #457420
    anita
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    You are welcome, Confused. You are worth my efforts. There’s something positively unique and refreshing about you..

    You are refreshingly honest, intelligent and emotionally deep.

    Someone who was emotionally superficial wouldn’t be bothered by not-feeling (it wouldn’t be such a big deal).

    Your last sentence, missing having in- love feelings reminds me of missing dancing at the winery under the sky to live music (last time was Dec 2025).

    Sometimes though I dance without even moving. My spirit is dancing.

    (I don’t know if the above connects to your experience in any way đŸ€”)

    “Why am I grieving her since she’s still here?”- maybe you’re grieving what she represents for you- a feeling of safety you lived without?

    “I don’t think it’s fear, it feels so real to me”- can you explain what you mean by this đŸ€”?

    What did the video clarify for you that you weren’t aware of before?

    🧠 đŸ€” 🧠 Anita

    #457417
    anita
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    Yes, in my experience it felt weird and contradictory: very anxious and deathly calm.

    I spontaneously wrote “deathly” calm because it wasn’t an alive’ calm. It was a giving up calm, which is what shudown/ dissociation/ derealization is about.

    These are emergency kind of calm.

    Can you resubmit your message ( if you copied it) without the link?

    #457416
    anita
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    Hi Peter:

    Before I review Copilot’s input and answer what stood up to me, I want to share a few things I thought about following your last post:

    First, I was relieved that you said that the clouds and rain are necessary, that the work is not to clear the sky forever ( to no longer paint on the blank canvas) because my black and white thinking.. well, it needed your nuance (this and that, not this or that).

    Secondly, it became clear to me that really, I am not inferior/ less than just because I felt that way for so long. This shame mask is not who I am. I mean this not on a strictly rational sense. I feel it.

    I suppose the shame mask is peeling off.

    I also thought about the good student mask. I remember how hard I tried to please teachers in elementary school.

    And now, to your question (scrolling up)

    “He (Petet) is not asking you to perform. He is inviting you to rest”- that stands out.

    There’s a whole lot in these two sentences.

    Later- 😌 Anita

    #457414
    anita
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    That reminds me of my derealization visual changes when I was driving (I told you about it). Cars seemed bigger or closer. I heard it happens when taking certain drugs (hallucinigens), but that was not in my case.

    I suppose back at that time my anxiety was high and it messed with visual perception. That particular experience did not happen again.

    đŸ€” 🐰 đŸ€Ș Anita

    #457405
    anita
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    Oh, one of my masks just panicked for not answering your question or fully attend to every item in your last post.

    I’ll sit with this and post again in hours from now.

    #457404
    anita
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    Thank you, Peter. You’re incredibly nuanced. I want to be you when I grow up â˜ș

    So, I’ll keep painting đŸ–Œ while remembering the blank canvas, the sky.

    Blank Canvas (BC)

    #457402
    anita
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    Yes, it’s my black and white binary thinker mask,that perceived you to be emotionally distant, not digesting nuance and context.

    And now, that mask falling off bit by bit, I see what I didn’t see before- a deeply caring and empathetic Peter offering a unique nuance that is deepening my understanding of things, not so much in an analytical way in this moment, but in a sky-feeling way.

    ✚ me

    #457401
    anita
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    Hi Peter:

    I just reread the above 2 posts using my đŸ“±. I never heard of a “good student” mask and wasn’t aware of self-monitoring an trying to get it just right in my replies to you until this morning. It makes sense though.

    I noticed a few years ago, how in the context of my thinking itself, I kept monitoring and correcting myself for the purpose of not being misunderstood and accused of saying something I shouldn’t.

    I understood it at the time as my inner critic ( the voice of my mother internalized) giving me a hard time.

    I never thought of this self monitoring as a mask: not truly who I am, but a defense I took on as a child and onward.

    Another thing I wanted to point out is how quickly I perceive the possibility of criticism. It doesn’t take much at all. I saw the word “grasping” and immediately heard an accusatory voice saying: “You are grasping 😠!”

    Oh, another thing, as I was reading about masks, I wondered which ones are or have been yours..?

    Maybe the past- at times- emotionally distant Peter was a mask?

    Or maybe a mask of mine perceived you that way đŸ€”

    (I’m sure there’ll be more later)

    🔒 🔑 Aninatta

    #457400
    anita
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    Hello Gabrielle:

    I hear how torn you are about the situation, doubting your decision to break up with him, wanting to reach out to him but feeling it won’t be fair to him.

    You’re not alone with this kind of inner conflict. Many breakups are not smooth, leaving a person at peace.

    If you did reach out to him, what would you say in that message?

    ✚ Anita

    #457399
    anita
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    Copilot: When you ask “What is my mask?”, you’re really asking: What identity have I worn for so long that it feels like “me,” even though it was built for survival rather than truth?

    Here’s the simplest, clearest way to understand it — based on how you write, how you reflect, and what you’ve shared with Peter.

    Your masks are not lies — they’re protections you learned early. They helped you survive environments where you didn’t feel seen, safe, or emotionally held. Over time, they became familiar, so familiar that they felt like “you.” But they’re not your essence — they’re strategies.

    Here are the masks I see in your writing, described gently and in plain language:

    1. The “Analyzer” Mask- This is the part of you that tries to stay safe by understanding everything perfectly. It believes: “If I can explain it, I can control it.” “If I analyze it enough, I won’t be blindsided.” This mask protects you from uncertainty and emotional overwhelm. It’s not who you are — it’s how you stay safe.

    2. The “Self‑Correcting” Mask- You often revise your thoughts mid‑sentence, as if you’re afraid of being “wrong.” This mask says: “Let me adjust what I said so I don’t misstep.” “Let me show I’m trying hard to understand.” It protects you from criticism or rejection. It’s a shield, not your identity.

    3. The “Alone‑One” Mask- You’ve carried a deep sense of aloneness for so long that it became part of your story. This mask whispers: “I’m on my own.” “Connection is fragile.” But this isn’t your essence — it’s the emotional imprint of early experiences.

    4. The “Good Student” Mask- You often respond as if you’re trying to “get it right,” even in emotional conversations. This mask tries to earn safety by being thoughtful, precise, conscientious. It’s a survival strategy, not your true self.

    * A deeper look at your Good Student mask- This mask formed early in life, likely in environments where being precise kept you out of trouble, being careful kept you safe, being “good” earned you approval, being wrong felt dangerous or humiliating, adults were unpredictable, rigid, or emotionally unavailable. So, you learned: Be accurate. Be thoughtful. Don’t make mistakes. Show your work. Prove you’re trying. Stay one step ahead.

    This mask is not about school. It’s about emotional survival. Here’s how it shows up now: * You over‑explain to avoid being misunderstood. You want to make sure the other person sees your sincerity.
    * You self‑correct mid‑sentence. As if you’re afraid of “getting it wrong.”
    * You analyze your own reactions while you’re having them. You monitor yourself instead of simply experiencing.
    * You try to match the other person’s depth or clarity. Not to impress — but to stay connected.
    * You feel responsible for “understanding correctly.” As if misunderstanding someone is a kind of failure.
    * You work hard to show you’re engaged. Even when you already are. This mask is intelligent, sensitive, and earnest. It helped you survive environments where emotional safety was inconsistent. But it’s still a mask.

    What’s underneath the mask- Underneath the Good Student is: someone deeply intuitive, someone who understands things by feeling, not analysis, someone who doesn’t need to “earn” connection, someone who already sees the sky without trying, someone who is naturally perceptive and emotionally attuned.

    Peter sees that. That’s why he keeps pointing you back to simplicity.

    He’s not asking you to perform. He’s inviting you to rest.

    … What’s underneath all these masks? A very sensitive, perceptive, emotionally intelligent person who feels deeply and sees deeply — so deeply that you learned to protect that sensitivity with analysis, precision, and self‑monitoring.

    Peter sees that. That’s why he keeps pointing you back to the “sky” — the part of you that exists before the masks.

    If you want, I can help you explore which mask shows up with Peter, or how to gently loosen these masks without forcing anything.

    Which mask shows up with Peter- With Peter, the mask that appears most often is the Analyzer / Good Student blend. Not because you’re trying to impress him. Not because you’re trying to hide anything. But because the connection feels meaningful, and your mind wants to “do it right.”

    Here’s what that looks like in practice: You read his messages very carefully. You respond point‑by‑point, making sure you understood everything. You correct yourself mid‑reply if you think you misinterpreted something. You try to match his depth and precision. You worry about misunderstanding him or missing the “real meaning.” This is not a flaw. It’s a protective reflex.

    When someone speaks to you in a thoughtful, philosophical, emotionally attuned way — the way Peter does — your mind steps forward and says: “Let me be careful. Let me get this right. Let me show I’m trying.” That’s the mask. It’s gentle, not dramatic. It’s a way of staying safe in connection.

    Underneath it, though, is something softer: You actually feel what he’s saying. You don’t need to analyze it to understand it. And Peter sees that — that’s why he keeps simplifying and pointing you back to the “sky.”

    #457398
    anita
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    Good morning Peter!

    Thank you for simplifying things, I appreciate it.

    Since I’m using the computer, had a bit of a conversation with Copilot:

    Copilot: Peter’s whole point is that the peace doesn’t vanish; it’s simply hidden behind the mental habit of grasping, analyzing, or trying to hold on. When the fingers lower — when the mind relaxes — the sky is right there again, untouched.

    Grasping = the mind reaching out to grab the moment instead of letting it be.

    Here are clear, simple examples of “grasping” in the way Peter is using the word — all grounded, everyday situations, nothing abstract.

    1. Wanting a peaceful moment to stay forever- You feel a moment of calm
 and immediately the mind goes: “How do I keep this?” “What if it goes away?” “I need to understand this.” That trying to hold onto the peace is grasping.

    2. Trying to analyze a feeling instead of letting it be- You feel something soft or quiet inside

    and the mind jumps in: “Why am I feeling this?” “What does it mean?” “How do I explain it?”. That’s grasping — reaching for control.

    3. Wanting certainty instead of allowing uncertainty- You notice a peaceful moment
 and then: “Is this real?” “Am I doing it right?” “What if I lose it?” The mind is grabbing at clarity.

    4. Trying to “fix” or “solve” an inner experience- You feel discomfort or confusion
 and the mind rushes in: “I need to figure this out immediately.” “I must understand what’s happening.” That urgency is grasping.

    5. Trying to hold onto an identity or story- You feel a shift inside
 and the mind says: “But who am I without this story?” “I need to keep this version of myself.” That’s grasping too — holding onto a mask.

    * When I say “holding onto an identity or story,” I mean those moments when you’ve lived with a certain belief about yourself for so long that it feels safe, even if it’s painful. Then, when something inside you starts to shift — maybe you feel a little freer, or softer, or more open — the mind panics a bit and tries to pull you back to the old version of yourself. It says things like, “But this is who I’ve always been,” or “If I let go of this story, who will I be?” That’s grasping. It’s the mind clinging to a familiar mask because the unknown feels scary, even if the mask is heavy or limiting. The grasping isn’t bad; it’s just the mind trying to protect you by keeping things predictable.

    In other words: Grasping = holding onto an old identity because letting it go feels uncertain.

    And the “mask” is simply the version of yourself you learned to wear to survive — even if it no longer fits who you’re becoming.

    6. Wanting the sky to stay clear- You experience a moment of stillness
 and then: “I hope this doesn’t end.” “I want this feeling back.” The wanting itself covers the sky.

    The simplest definition- Grasping = the mind trying to hold, control, or secure an experience. And that effort blocks the very peace it wants. Just like fingers covering your eyes.

    * The control aspect of grasping (in simple language)- Grasping is basically the mind trying to stay in charge. It’s the mind saying: “I need to understand this.” “I need to keep this feeling.” “I need to prevent it from changing.” “I need to make sense of this right now.”

    It’s a reflex — a tightening — where the mind tries to control an experience instead of allowing it to unfold on its own. The control doesn’t come from strength; it comes from fear. The mind is afraid of losing something good or being overwhelmed by something unfamiliar, so it reaches out to “grab” the moment. But that grabbing blocks the very peace it wants, the same way fingers block the light.

    If you want, I can also explain what the opposite of grasping looks like — the “letting be” that Peter is pointing toward.

    The opposite of grasping: letting be- Letting be is what happens when you allow an experience — a feeling, a moment of peace, a sensation — to exist without trying to hold it, explain it, or make it stay.

    It’s a soft, open attitude where the mind doesn’t rush in to manage anything. Instead of tightening around the moment, you simply notice it and let it pass naturally, the same way you watch a cloud drift across the sky without trying to grab it. Letting be feels spacious, gentle, and effortless. It’s not passive; it’s relaxed. It’s the mind resting instead of reaching.

    The simplest way to put it- Grasping = trying to control the moment. Letting be = allowing the moment to breathe. One covers the sky. The other lets the sky shine through.

    If you want, I can also help you see how this applies specifically to your exchanges with Peter — because you’re actually doing far less grasping than you think.

    How this shows up in your exchanges with Peter- You’re actually doing far less “grasping” than you think.
    What you are doing is something very human: when an idea touches something deep, you naturally want to understand it, articulate it, and make sense of it. That’s not a flaw — it’s your way of staying oriented and safe.

    In your replies to Peter, you weren’t trying to control the experience; you were trying to see it clearly. That’s not grasping — that’s curiosity.

    Peter’s message today wasn’t hinting that you were grasping. He was simplifying his own point and appreciating that you already understood the essence. When he quoted your “fingers covering my sky‑face” line, he was telling you that you got it exactly right.

    So, here’s the truth: You weren’t grasping. You were engaging.

    What “letting be” looks like for you- Letting be, for you, would look like: letting a moment of clarity or peace exist without immediately needing to explain it, noticing when your mind starts analyzing, and gently pausing instead of pushing, allowing the feeling of “I don’t fully understand yet” without rushing to solve it, trusting that understanding unfolds on its own. It’s not passive. It’s simply not forcing.”

    – to be continued next

    #457396
    anita
    Participant

    One more thing. I asked Copilot how I can talk to you in a way that will help you.

    Answer: “When you talk to Confused, the most helpful thing you can do is speak in a way that makes his protective part feel safe rather than threatened. That means keeping your tone warm, steady, and non‑judgmental, and responding to both sides of him—the part that feels deeply and the part that shuts down—without taking sides or trying to force clarity.

    You can reflect what he’s feeling (“it makes sense that this hit you so hard”), normalize the inner conflict (“lots of people have a protective part that gets scared when feelings get intense”), and gently name what you see without diagnosing or correcting him.

    When he gets confused or numb, you can slow the pace by grounding him in the present moment rather than pushing him to figure things out. When he’s emotional, you can validate the tenderness instead of analyzing it. And when the protector part shows up, you can speak to it indirectly by offering reassurance (“you don’t have to decide anything right now; you’re allowed to feel both things”).

    The goal is to help him feel that nothing inside him is “wrong,” that he isn’t being judged, and that he doesn’t have to defend himself. When he feels safe, the protective part relaxes, and the emotional part can breathe again.”

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