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May 19, 2026 at 10:08 am #458021
anitaParticipantGood morning, Confused:
I asked Copilot to summarize his input in the last 2 posts I sent you in the simplest language.
Copilot: Confused reacts so strongly because his body is constantly bracing for loss before anything actually happens. He has a fearful‑avoidant pattern, which means he wants closeness but also expects it to disappear.
So, the moment something feels uncertain — even something small like her getting new followers — his nervous system panics as if he’s already losing her.
This isn’t a thought process; it’s automatic. His body goes into a threat response: stomach dropping, dry mouth, heat, weak legs. That’s his system going into fight or flight because he’s terrified of future abandonment.
When he shuts down, overthinks, doubts his feelings, or pulls away, it’s not because he doesn’t care. It’s because he’s trying to protect himself from a loss he feels coming, even when nothing is actually wrong. Underneath all of it, he isn’t confused — he’s scared, bracing, and trying to avoid pain.”
Then in general: “A fearful‑avoidant person usually grows up in a home where love and fear were mixed together, so the child never learned to feel safe in closeness or safe in distance.
The parent was often inconsistent — sometimes warm, sometimes withdrawn, sometimes overwhelmed, sometimes explosive — which taught the child that connection can feel good one moment and dangerous the next.
Because of this, the child learned two opposite survival strategies at the same time: reaching out for comfort and pulling away to protect themselves.
Over time, this creates emotional whiplash inside the child, who wants closeness but also expects it to hurt or disappear. Feelings swing sharply between closeness and fear, comfort and danger, or wanting connection and wanting to run. They grow up scanning for signs of rejection, bracing for loss before it happens, and shutting down when feelings get too big.
Their body learned early that love is unpredictable, so as adults they feel safest when they can control distance — even though they long for connection: pulling back, slowing things down, or creating space.
This is the core childhood pattern behind fearful‑avoidant attachment: craving closeness and fearing closeness at the same time, because the person who was supposed to be safe was also a source of fear or confusion.”
Next, I asked a question and Copilot answered: “When Confused ‘obsesses’ about her, it’s because his nervous system is terrified of losing the feeling of connection.
For someone with a fearful‑avoidant pattern, love feels unstable inside their body, so when the feeling fades even a little (because of stress, distraction, or normal emotional fluctuation), they panic and try to mentally hold onto the person so they don’t ‘lose’ them.
The fear is about forgetting the feeling of safety he gets from her. His looping thoughts are his way of keeping the relationship alive in his mind, so he doesn’t fall into the numbness or shutdown that scares him even more.
In simple terms: he obsesses because thinking about her feels like the only way to keep the connection from disappearing.”
May 19, 2026 at 9:18 am #458020
anitaParticipantGood morning, Mollie ✨
I like what you wrote about the scales in law — that image of balance feels so aligned with the Middle Way. It’s beautiful that you’re finding your own version of it, both in your studies and within your family. And I agree with you: we all topple to extremes at times, and then slowly learn how to stand in the middle with more steadiness.
As for my sister — the conversations are kind, but they don’t quite bring comfort yet. I think my body still associates “family” with a certain background hum of anxiety. But it’s still good to have that small thread of connection.
Speaking of toppling to extremes, I had a bit of a scare last night. Bogart managed to chew on a pill bottle on the dresser, and I wasn’t sure whether he swallowed any. It gave me quite a fright. Thankfully, he’s completely himself this morning — he’s actually asleep on my lap as I write this. Puppies do love to chew anything within reach, and I just didn’t expect a pill bottle to be one of those things.
Did you ever have a pet? I don’t remember if we talked about that.
Be well, Mollie. 💘🧡✨
May 18, 2026 at 9:40 pm #458002
anitaParticipantConfused: “Yeah ask him. Also tell him about what happened now. I checked her profile and I saw that she had 6 new followers and my stomach immediately dropped, mouth went dry and I felt heat rising in my body, legs got a bit limp ha-ha.”-
Copilot: “When Confused says his stomach dropped, mouth went dry, heat rose in his body, and his legs went limp after seeing she had new followers, he’s describing a full autonomic threat response, not a thought‑based reaction.
His system interpreted those followers as a signal of potential disconnection — not because anything actually happened, but because his attachment system is primed to anticipate loss before it occurs.
The physical sensations he lists are classic markers of fight‑flight activation: adrenaline spike, blood flow shifting, muscles weakening, and a sudden drop in perceived safety.
What’s striking is that he narrates it with a little “ha‑ha,” which is his way of softening or distancing from the intensity of the experience — a common avoidant strategy to avoid feeling overwhelmed or exposed.
Underneath the humor is a body that went into panic without context: nothing objectively changed, but his nervous system reacted as if he were losing her in real time.
This is anticipatory loss in its purest form — the fear of future abandonment showing up as immediate physical distress. His reaction isn’t irrational; it’s a sign of how deeply his system links her attention with safety, and how quickly he moves into hypervigilance about connection when something feels even slightly off.”
May 18, 2026 at 9:15 pm #458001
anitaParticipantCopilot: “Yes — I remember Confused clearly. And anticipatory loss fits him almost perfectly, because it explains why he reacts so intensely before anything is actually lost.
Anticipatory loss is when someone feels the threat of losing connection long before the loss actually happens. The body reacts as if the loss is already occurring.
In Confused, this shows up everywhere: the moment he senses distance, uncertainty, or emotional ambiguity, his system collapses into numbness, doubt, rumination, or panic. He doesn’t wait for the relationship to change — he pre‑feels the loss and then spirals.
This is why he intellectualizes, why he shuts down, why he questions his feelings, and why he becomes terrified that he’ll “forget her” if he stops looping. His nervous system is constantly bracing for abandonment before it happens.
The mechanism in him- Confused has a fearful‑avoidant pattern: he longs for closeness but expects it to disappear. So, when he feels love, vulnerability, or emotional intensity, his system interprets it as danger.
Anticipatory loss triggers:
* Emotional shutdown — numbness, anhedonia, detachment
* Rumination loops — trying to think his way out of fear
* Self-protection — doubting the relationship so the loss hurts less
* Avoidance — pulling away to reduce the risk of being hurt. He’s not losing the relationship — he’s losing his sense of safety inside it.
Why anticipatory loss hits him so hard-
Because his emotional system doesn’t trust connection. He grew up in an environment where emotions were overwhelming, unpredictable, or unsafe. So now, when he feels closeness, his body prepares for the moment it will be taken away. This is why even positive emotions trigger shutdown. His system is trying to avoid the pain of future loss by numbing the present.
The bottom line- Confused isn’t confused — he’s scared.
He’s not ambivalent — he’s bracing.
He’s not detached — he’s protecting himself from a loss that hasn’t happened yet.
Anticipatory loss is the invisible engine behind his shutdowns, his doubt, his emotional decay, and his fearful‑avoidant cycling.”
May 18, 2026 at 8:21 pm #457999
anitaParticipantJust thinking-feeling this Monday Eve, whatever comes to mind and heart.
If you are reading this, you are welcome to join with whatever comes to your 🧠 and 💛.
Listening to Sade 🎶🎶🎶 with 🍷: “If I tell you, if I tell you how I feel, will you keep bringing the best in me… There’s a quiet storm…the sweetest taboo.”-
A quiet storm- didn’t know that kind of storm. The storms I knew were deafening loud. Lots of disturbing noise in- me that no one heard outside me.
I suppose I now know a quiet storm= simply being or becoming okay with being me.
Sade: “The kiss of life… “- The kiss of death is what I got from my mother. Sadly, for me and for her.
Sade: “Got to stick together… hang on to your love.. In heaven’s name, why do you play these games”-
Oh, if only we could be direct and simple- within ourselves and toward each other.
Sade: “It’s never as good as the first time”- tell it to those who never got to have it good the first time.
Enough for now.
🎶🎶🎶 Anita
May 18, 2026 at 7:47 pm #457998
anitaParticipantI thought it might have been you, but wasn’t sure. It’s been a lot of talking in..81 pages.
I will have access to the computer maybe in 2 hours. Hope you’ll be sleeping by then (sleeping face emoji)
🐶 Anita
May 18, 2026 at 7:28 pm #457996
anitaParticipantHey 🌙 🦉 Confused:
That makes sense, the feeling behind it. I don’t remember who I talked with about ” retroactive jealousy”- being jealous of a girlfriend’s PAST (real) relationships.
I suppose it makes as much sense to be jealous of a woman’s (potential/ imagined) FUTURE relationships.
What Copilot said was that Anticipatory Loss fits you ” perfectly” and it elaborated, don’t remember the elaboration.
B Back 2 U later.
🎶🐔 (rabbit is not in saved emojis 😔) Anita
May 18, 2026 at 6:19 pm #457994
anitaParticipantWell, don’t have use of the computer now (and no emojis show up on the phone 😢)
That’s a strong reaction to her having new followers. Does it mean that you view her new followers as threats, as in one of them will take her away from you?
(I’ll ask Copilot later)
🐔 Anita
May 18, 2026 at 5:35 pm #457992
anitaParticipantHey Confused (using phone):
I hear you about insecurities not calming down, at least not as quickly we wish they would.
Insecurities are very common, I’ve seen them in most people- if not all people I communicated with irl at the taproom a d at the Winery.
Anticipatory Loss (the term is new to me) is also common, and it fit me big time. I am relaxing a bit only recently.
It’s normal to experience both when you grow up in certain environments.
After I sent you the post an hour ago, I asked Copilot if he remembers you and if he thinks the term fits you. Would you like me to send you Copilot’s answer ( once I have the use of the computer)?
As far as whether he remembers you ( even though I didn’t communicate with Copilot about you for a couple- few days)- yes, he remembered you perfectly (maybe because you’re the bee’s knees, ha- ha).
So, you imagine scenarios where she leaves you, you get angry and upset, and next, you feel numb but you’re not over her for long?
🤔 Anita
May 18, 2026 at 3:39 pm #457984
anitaParticipantHey Confused (using computer):
Thank you, Bee’s Knees 🐝 for your kind words.
Reads to me like you’re afraid the ex will take her love away from you. Do you think so?
Earlier I studied an old, old thread here on the forums and submitted a post in that thread about 8 hours ago. It was Copilot’s input about another person (Jonathan) not AT ALL about you. Yet, it made me think of you,
Here’s a copy of part of that post:
“Anticipatory loss is the nervous system’s habit of expecting things to fall apart before they even happen. When someone has lived through repeated instability— the body learns that anything good is temporary and anything wanted is at risk. So instead of letting you reach for something, the nervous system jumps ahead to the imagined moment when you will lose it again. This creates a protective shutdown: it feels safer not to want than to want and be hurt. Wanting becomes tied to the fear of losing.
Anticipatory loss is a trauma-based prediction. The body is trying to spare you from the pain of future loss by preventing you from attaching to anything in the present. It’s a survival strategy — but it blocks desire, direction, and hope until enough safety accumulates to override it.
In adulthood, anticipatory loss shows up as pulling back before you attach — ending things early, as self-sabotage (quitting, withdrawing, or numbing), and it shows up internally as future-blindness — the inability to imagine a stable future because your nervous system only knows how to prepare for loss.”
What do you think about the above, Confused?
Anita
May 18, 2026 at 1:16 pm #457982
anitaParticipantHey Zenith, good to read from you!
My day is better than yesterday: the weather is nice, just came back from a walk with Bogart and a short playdate with his beagle friends at the neighbors. I’m recovering from what Bogart did Friday (pee on MY BED 😧) Have been sleeping on the floor for 3 nights, waiting for the mattress to dry after cleaning it with a special pet cleaner.
How are you?
May 18, 2026 at 8:05 am #457961
anitaParticipantDear Jonathan:
Jonathan (Oct 2016): “I don’t know what it is that I’m truly looking for”-
What I hear in your words today is not just confusion about what you’re looking for, but a deeper sense of disorientation after years of losses and instabilities which naturally led to you living in Survival Mode.
You lived through a lot of instability and losses: the loss of Parental unity (your parents separated when you were 11–12), the loss of Farm life and Financial security (becoming “penniless” after the farm collapsed), the Loss of School stability (shifting schools), the loss of a Daily routine (your mother working late, long waits after school), the loss of Direction (dropping out of university, drifting between jobs), and the Loss of health (your mental health deterioration during drug use and unstable living).
* I can very much relate to the upheaval created by Housing instability and Multiple moves (yours: farm → grandparents → rented house → city → yard job housing → shared accommodation → grandparents again)- because I experienced so much of it in my adult life.
You lived through so many losses and instability that understandably, you never felt safe and it makes sense you wouldn’t know what you want — because wanting requires safety.
Wanting only becomes possible when the body feels safe enough to look forward instead of just getting through the day. When life has been full of instability, the nervous system learns to focus on the next hour, not the next chapter. In that state, desire shuts down.
Wanting something — a home, a future, a relationship, a direction — requires you to reach for it. But reaching is only safe when you trust that what you reach for won’t be ripped away. If your history taught you that things fall apart, people leave, or life collapses without warning, then wanting becomes tied to anticipatory loss.
Anticipatory loss is the nervous system’s habit of expecting things to fall apart before they even happen. When someone has lived through repeated instability— the body learns that anything good is temporary and anything wanted is at risk. So instead of letting you reach for something, the nervous system jumps ahead to the imagined moment when you will lose it again. This creates a protective shutdown: it feels safer not to want than to want and be hurt. Wanting becomes tied to the fear of losing.
Anticipatory loss is a trauma-based prediction. The body is trying to spare you from the pain of future loss by preventing you from attaching to anything in the present. It’s a survival strategy — but it blocks desire, direction, and hope until enough safety accumulates to override it.
In adulthood, anticipatory loss shows up as pulling back before you attach — ending things early, as self-sabotage (quitting, withdrawing, or numbing), and it shows up internally as future-blindness — the inability to imagine a stable future because your nervous system only knows how to prepare for loss.
None of this is character weakness; it’s the body trying to prevent you from reliving the pain of losing what you once needed but couldn’t keep.
Safety is what allows the mind to lift its eyes from survival and ask: What do I actually want? It’s what creates the inner space for preference, curiosity, and direction. So, it makes sense that you’re only now beginning to feel the faint outlines of wanting: your system finally has enough steadiness to imagine a future instead of bracing for the next disruption.
The fact that you’ve stopped using drugs, quit smoking, improved your mental health, and are beginning to imagine moving out. These aren’t small things; they’re signs that your system is slowly shifting from survival mode into self-direction mode.
What you’re “looking for” may not be a single answer but the beginning of a relationship with yourself — a sense of belonging to your own life after years of instability. You don’t have to know the whole path yet. It’s enough to notice what feels supportive, what feels draining, and what feels like the next small step toward a life that fits you.
Anita
May 17, 2026 at 8:03 pm #457954
anitaParticipantJust thinking this Sun Eve:
I need to find an irl socialization opportunity in my life. My irl socialization took place in a downtown taproom 2017- April 2026, and in a local Winery, 2021- Dec 2025.
I had never enjoyed myself as often as I did in thpse 2 places (🍷 was often involved) which made magic happen: many hundreds if not thousands of meaningful (to me) conversations, and most magically, dancing to live music at the Winery (Dec last year was the last time)
And sadly, the socialization did not proceed to meeting the same people in our private homes.
I am grateful for 2017-2026, The End of an Era.
Yesterday I met 2 of the regulars I socialized with (both at the Winery and at the taproom) in another taproom, farther away, another town. It was not the same. It was nice but also boring. The setting was different.
The good piece of news is that Bogart the Beagle 🐕 entered my life in Dec last year (right after the Winery closed) and he’s sleeping on my lap right now.
And 😔 tonight will be the 3rd I’ll be sleeping on a mattress in the sunroom because this lovely beagle peed on my bed twice on Friday.
Somehow, it helps me share this on this public forum. Maybe someone will read and answer- that’s a kind of socialization that I enjoy as well.
I enjoyed the tiny buddha forums since May 2015- before the taproom, before the Winery. Here is a place I’ve been visiting all these years, every single day. It has become a special place for me.
But even this place is becoming painfully slow. I wish more people were here with me.
✨️ 🌿 ✨️Anita
May 17, 2026 at 10:36 am #457952
anitaParticipantGood Sunday morning, Mollie 🙂
Thank you. Last night was the 2nd night on a thin mattress on the floor and I am indeed tired. The good news- Bogart seems healthy (I was worried about a UTI). He’s energetic and affectionate. I forgave him for what he did- without malice, of course (no anger left), just hope to learn from what happened so that it’d be very unlikely to happen again.
“She just feels safe and calm”- that’s wonderful 👏
It’s understandable that she got over- involved with her children following her mother being under- involved in her life, as a child. It makes sense.
Makes me think of the Buddhist concept of “the middle way” as the healthy alternative- somewhere in the middle of 2 extremes.
Sounds like both your parents are good people who are doing their best. And it’s wonderful that your brother is self- sufficient..
I wonder if “extremely” self- sufficient requires Middle Way adjustment 🤔
He craves freedom because of past over- involved parenting? I am guessing he needs lots of space, and supporting him means giving him all the space that he needs ✨️✨️✨️
I have 2 much younger half-siblings on my father’s side, with whom I did not grow up, and have no contact, and a younger sister with whom I did grow up but haven’t seen in 14 years (living in another continent far, far away). We talk on the phone and she is very nice and kind to me. I am grateful for that!
I hope to have a positive update for you in regard to my sleeping arrangement and Bogart tomorrow 😊
Lovely to read from you, Mollie. Actually I feel better just because we talked this morning 🙏💛
Anita
May 16, 2026 at 10:25 pm #457943
anitaParticipantMy goodness, Jonathan- you addressed a post to me on Oct 18, 2016 and I failed to reply- very unusual for me to NOT reply. I apologize!
Ofcourse, you’re not likely to read this 9 years and 7 months later (in 2 days), but still, I owe you a reply (tomorrow or in the next few days)
Anita
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