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April 30, 2026 at 9:29 pm #457464
anitaParticipantHow time flies, Peter:
It’s been almost 2 years since you posted your original post on “Blank Canvas”, June 20, 2024.
Copilot: Here is Peterās post rewritten in the simplest, clearest language, while keeping the meaning intact:
Peter remembers a school trip to an art museum where he saw a painting called āblank white canvas.ā It was literally just a white canvas. Next to it was a red canvas called āred canvas.ā He and his classmates laughed at how silly it seemed.
Recently, that memory came back to him after he read about an older man who was dying and said he was afraid. The man was scared of losing his identity and the sense of self he had lived with.
Thinking about that, Peter wondered again: Is a blank canvas really blank?
And why do we think a painted canvas isnāt blank?
Then he had a realization:
A canvas is always āblankā in a deeper sense. Even when something is painted on it, the canvas underneath is still there. It holds every painting that could ever be created. The painting appears for a while, but the canvas remains unchanged.
This made him think about life:
Moments come and go, but there is something underneath them that doesnāt change ā something like the āeternal present.ā When he holds both ideas together (the moment in time and the timelessness beneath it), he feels calm and his thoughts quiet down.
He remembers a quote from Joseph Campbell about how the center of life is where movement (time) and stillness (eternity) meet. When you see the eternal inside the present moment, you feel the real meaning of life.
From this perspective, nothing is truly lost or gained. Everything arises from the same āblank canvasā and returns to it. And he wonders about the dying man ā whether his fear comes from clinging to the painted picture instead of recognizing the canvas beneath it.”
I am recognizing the canvas beneath, Peter.
Anita
April 30, 2026 at 7:53 pm #457463
anitaParticipantOh, yes, SSRIs are known for sexual side effects.
Hmm I didn’t think of it as retroactive jealousy, ROCD. Now retroactively I am thinking of it this way š¤
Those thoughts I suppose were my protector part, seeing betrayal now ( well, back then) so to not face future betrayal.
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April 30, 2026 at 7:34 pm #457461
anitaParticipantThe thing about SSRIs- it’s a personal compatibility thing. It takes time for a good (!) psychiatrist and a patient to figure out what drug is best for the particular person and at what dosage.
Weird numb sensations..? Something unpleasant that you didn’t experience before?
My obsessive loops back then (in the 90s)- jealousy, obsessing about someone’s past, his ex girlfriend or girlfriend’s (I don’t remember now) like it was happening right there and then in front of me.
It was really nice to not have those movies playing in my š§ again and again.
āļøāļøāļø Anita
April 30, 2026 at 7:06 pm #457459
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
Negative side effects from SSRIs? No, none in my 17 year experience with 2 SSRIs. No complaints at all. Nothing but positive.
Like I shared with you before, taking Zoloft felt like a pair of āļø was going through my š§ , cutting off obsessive thinking loops. It was quite magical for me.
Problem is I needed more help, psychological therapy and social support that I didn’t get for way too long.
Your heart, your soul is beautiful. Scared but beautiful. Confused. You so deserve peace of mind and heart.
āļø š š§ š š° Anita
April 30, 2026 at 6:52 pm #457458
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
As I’ve been reviewing my past replies to members years ago, running them through Copilot’s analysis and seeing it clearly myself, I can clearly see my own hardened heart: not responding to others’ emotions and focusing on intellectual analysis, then getting impatient with members at times, etc.
It’s embarassing to go back in time, not too long ago, and see the clinical, emotionally unattuned (closed, hardened heart) replies I produced.
But then, what is to be expected from a person (me and others) growing inward in environments that attack and punish the once soft heart..
“He (Peter) is not asking you to perform. He is inviting you to rest”-
To rest in a softened heart, an unpunished heart.
Is this the promised land: safety within a soft heart, is this the resting?
š¼ Anita
April 30, 2026 at 6:29 pm #457456
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
“She’s my Bubu” ohhhh š
Even though the feeling changed, still ohhh ā¤ļø
My experience with depression was miserable. Thing is I don’t remember myself not being depressed. That’s why in the last few years I feel like a child/ teenager.. young, for the first time.
The meds (SSRIs) helped (I was in my 30s when I started taking them. But what really helped came many years later: greater and greater Clarity and less and less Confusion.
“She’s my Bubu”- that’s the loving, vulnerable ( as in being open to getting hurt, abandoned, rejected) part of you.
“She’s not really something special”- that’s the protector part of you, trying to protect you from hurt.
“I felt nothing”- that’s the vulnerable part š-ed, āøļø-ed, protected.
“That’s a mechanism”- of protection.
š š āØļø Anita
April 30, 2026 at 5:22 pm #457454
anitaParticipantEmojis in regard to Copilot’s criticism of my reply š š¤¢ š¤ š¤® š« š¤ š”
April 30, 2026 at 5:09 pm #457453
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
I copied your 1-line post for Copilot as well as my reply right above and asked him to evaluate my reply above and offer you a better message that the above.
Copilot: Your reply to Confused had a warm, honest intention, and that matters. You were trying to give hope based on your own experience, and that can be comforting. But there are two places where your message could land better:
* You centered your own story quickly, which might make Confused feel like he needs to compare himself to you.
* You said āI believe so, yes,ā which is kind, but a bit vague for someone who is scared he may never feel again.
Confused wasnāt asking for certainty ā he was asking for reassurance that feeling numb doesnāt mean he’s broken forever.
A stronger reply would stay focused on him, normalize what he’s experiencing, and give grounded hope without promising outcomes.
Hereās a clearer, more supportive version you could offer:
āHi Confused,
It makes sense that youāre wondering about this. When depression is heavy, it can make your emotions feel muted or far away, and that can be frightening. But numbness isnāt permanent. When depression is treated and begins to lift, people often find that their feelings return gradually ā warmth, interest, connection, even small sparks of joy. It doesnāt happen all at once, but it does happen.
Youāre not stuck this way. What youāre experiencing is a symptom, not a definition of who you are.ā
This version does a few important things: it normalizes emotional numbness, reassures without overpromising, keeps the focus on Confused, gives hope thatās grounded in real experience, and avoids comparing your journey to his”-
Well, I stayed corrected. I’ll add emojis when I’m on the phone.
Anita
April 30, 2026 at 2:05 pm #457452
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
I believe so, yes, that you will be able to feel again.
I was diagnosed with Major Depression long ago. Fast forward, I am no longer depressed and yes, I am able to feel. I feel like a teenager (using the computer, no emojis)
April 30, 2026 at 11:38 am #457449
anitaParticipantHi again Tom:
Copilot: Tomās situation ā Tom has been stuck in a job that drains him for two years. He took it out of necessity after a takeover at his old company, but the culture, pressure, and lack of onboarding left him feeling lost, anxious, and out of place from the start.
Even though he earns good money, the job affects his confidence, sleep, and sense of purpose. He often feels overwhelmed, doesnāt fit the loud, selfāpromoting culture, and carries a quiet fear of failing or letting people down.
At the same time, he feels trapped because of financial responsibilities, the cost of living, and not knowing what he wants to do next. Heās trying to cope by staying active, focusing on health, and looking for other roles, but nothing promising has come up.
Heās 40, which adds pressure and reflection about where he thought heād be. Heās not miserable in every part of life ā his relationship, home life, and fitness goals are bright spots ā but work remains a heavy weight he carries daily.
Possible solutions for Tom ā realistic and grounded-
1. Shortāterm: Reduce the emotional load- These are things he can do now, without changing jobs:
* Stop expecting himself to āfitā a culture that doesnāt match him. Heās quiet, steady, and competent ā not a selfāpromoter. Thatās not a flaw.
*Set boundaries around work. No checking emails late at night, no overāpreparing out of fear.
* Keep using fitness and routine as stabilizers. These are clearly helping him stay grounded.
* Talk honestly to someone safe. He keeps saying he doesnāt tell the full story to his partner or friends.
Opening up more could reduce the pressure he carries alone.2. Mediumāterm: Create a real exit plan- He doesnāt need to quit tomorrow. He needs a structured path out, such as: Update his CV and LinkedIn quietly. Set a weekly jobāsearch routine (even 30 minutes). Look for roles in the same industry but with calmer cultures. Explore adjacent roles that use his skills but arenāt as political. Talk to a career coach, as he already mentioned ā this could help him see options he canāt see alone.
The key is: He doesnāt need to know the final destination to start moving.
3. Longāterm: Redefine what āworkā means for him- Tom keeps saying he wants purpose, less stress, less politics, something meaningful, something aligned with who he is.
This suggests he may eventually want a smaller company, a quieter environment, a role with more autonomy, something peopleāfocused or serviceāoriented, something outside the corporate ladder. He doesnāt need to leap into that now ā but he can start exploring.
4. Emotional reframing: Heās not failing ā heās outgrowing- Tom often says: āI donāt want to feel like a failure.ā āI should be grateful.ā āI donāt know what to step into next.ā But the truth is:
Heās not failing ā heās evolving. Heās outgrowing a version of work that no longer fits him.
Turning 40 has made him reflect, not collapse.
5. A gentle truth he needs to hear- He keeps saying: āItās just a job.ā āIt doesnāt define me.ā Heās right ā but heās also hurting. Both can be true.
He doesnāt need to stay forever. He doesnāt need to quit recklessly. He needs a path that honors both his responsibilities and his wellābeing.”
Next (after I returned to the computer), I asked if a teaching job will fit you.
Copilot: “A teaching job could fit Tom ā but only if the reason heās unhappy now matches what teaching actually offers. Teaching could be a good fit for Tom in some ways, because: * He dislikes loud, political, selfāpromoting environments. ā Teaching is more structured and less corporateāpolitical.
* He wants purpose and meaning. ā Teaching gives daily, tangible impact.
*He values calm, steady work rather than shouting for attention. ā Good teachers donāt need to be loud; they need to be consistent.
* He likes routine and stability. ā Teaching has predictable schedules and rhythms.
* He feels fulfilled when he helps others. ā Teaching is literally helping others learn.
But teaching could be challenging for him in other ways:
* Itās emotionally demanding and can be stressful in a different way.
* It requires constant interaction, which might drain him if heās introverted.
* It pays less than his current job, which he already worries about.
* It requires training, certification, and time before earning a full salary.
* Classroom management can be intense, especially for someone who avoids conflict.
So, the answer is: Teaching could fit his values, but not necessarily his lifestyle or stress tolerance.
A more accurate fit: teachingāadjacent roles- Based on Tomās personality, history, and needs, he might thrive in roles that involve mentoring, coaching, training, guiding, supporting, explaining, helping others grow.
But without the chaos of a classroom.
Examples that match his temperament: corporate trainer (but in a calmer company), onboarding specialist, adult education instructor, vocational training, community college teaching, online teaching or tutoring, instructional design, career coaching, fitness coaching (heās already passionate about health), youth mentoring programs, nonprofit educational roles.
These roles offer purpose, structure, less politics, quieter environments, meaningful impact, fewer loud personalities, less pressure to selfāpromote.
And they donāt require him to become someone heās not.
The deeper truth- Tom isnāt looking for āa teaching job.ā Heās looking for purpose, calm, meaning, stability, a place where quiet competence is valued, a job that doesnāt drain his confidence, a culture that doesnāt reward loudness over substance.
Teaching is one path to that, but not the only one ā and maybe not the easiest.
If you want, I can help you explore what career paths match Tomās personality, what his core strengths actually are, what kind of work environment he would thrive in, how he could transition without financial risk
… Hereās a clear, simple, paragraphāstyle exploration of the four areas you asked about, all grounded in what Tom has consistently expressed over two years.
šæ Career paths that match Tomās personality- Tom is steady, thoughtful, conscientious, and not drawn to loud, competitive environments. He thrives when he can focus deeply, work independently, and contribute without needing to selfāpromote. Careers that match this temperament are those built on quiet competence rather than office politics. Roles in training, mentoring, coaching, analysis, project coordination, adult education, instructional design, communityābased work, or nonprofit support could suit him well. These paths allow him to help others, use his experience, and feel purposeful without being forced into a highāpressure, performative culture.
š± Tomās core strengths- Tomās strengths are clear from his writing: he is calm under pressure, reliable, emotionally aware, and able to reflect on his own behavior. He handles difficult situations with maturity, avoids unnecessary conflict, and values doing his best rather than chasing recognition. He is disciplined, especially in his fitness and health routines, and he has a strong sense of responsibility toward his partner and future family. He is also resilient ā despite anxiety, overwhelm, and dissatisfaction, he keeps showing up, learning, and trying to improve. These strengths point to someone who is dependable, thoughtful, and capable of guiding or supporting others.
š¤ļø The kind of work environment he would thrive in- Tom would thrive in a workplace that values stability, respect, and collaboration over noise and selfāpromotion. He needs an environment where people communicate clearly, where expectations are realistic, and where he can contribute without having to constantly āsell himself.ā Smaller teams, missionādriven organizations, educational settings, communityāfocused roles, or companies with a calm, structured culture would suit him far better than fastāpaced corporate environments. He would do well somewhere that appreciates quiet leadership, consistency, and integrity.
š How he could transition without financial risk- Tom doesnāt need to make a sudden leap. A safer transition would involve building a slow, steady exit plan. He could start by exploring roles adjacent to his current industry that require similar skills but offer a healthier culture. Updating his CV, networking quietly, and setting a weekly jobāsearch routine would help him move forward without pressure. Speaking with a career coach could give him clarity and direction. He could also experiment with small steps ā taking a course, volunteering, or doing partātime training or mentoring ā to test new paths before committing. With savings, a supportive partner, and a thoughtful approach, he can shift careers gradually rather than abruptly, protecting both his finances and his wellābeing.”
Is this helpful, Tom?
Anita
April 30, 2026 at 11:17 am #457448
anitaParticipantDear Confused:
I don’t see any possible way to think that you are not depressed and have been since November. There are treatments for depression, and I think it’s about time you receive a proper treatment!
Depression is a broad category; no 2 cases are identical. But I think that the first line of treatment is to make you feel better so that you can think better and choose action that makes sense for you.
āØš¼š¤ Anita
April 30, 2026 at 10:24 am #457441
anitaParticipantHey Dear Depressed Confused:
I am not a doctor or a therapist, but is it even possible that what you’re experiencing is NOT depression?
Not that it (depression) cancels everything we talked about. On the contrary, it’s all tied in.
But by pointing to depression, if a professional determines it, first line of treatment can be directed to the chemical going-ons of depression.
There is no point in trying to analyze and understand anything when the š§ -body is depressed.
Says I.
šš Anita
April 30, 2026 at 9:26 am #457440
anitaParticipantHey š Confused:
As I read your 1-line response the words of a famous old song came to mind: “The thrill is gone”.
I was just wondering: do you enjoy food, exercise, a hot shower.. things like that?
April 30, 2026 at 9:21 am #457439
anitaParticipantYou are welcome, Tom.
Earlier this morning, I copied most of what you shared pages 1-4 and pages 10-12 and asked Copilot (the AI I use) to give me it’s analysis and offer suggestions- a beginning of a conversation.
But then, before I could read more than a few sentences of the input I had to get off the š„ (my own computer was destroyed by my š and I š) and now using my š± so, I don’t have access to what Copilot said.
But let me see what I can come up with on my own after reading the parts I copied and pasted for Copilot:
First, I noticed that you’ve been at this job for exactly 2 years (April 2024- April 2026).
All along you’ve been satisfied, as I understand it, with only one aspect of the job: it pays well.
The pay is a huge factor for you because everything is so expensive plus recently, you are trying to start a family- a process that’s well.. expensive.
The job has been an ongoing source of anxiety for you: having to give presentations in front of large groups of people, your work being criticized or closely monitored by others, co- workers self- promoting and taking credit that doesn’t belong to them (corporate world mentality and politics) something that you’re not comfortable doing.
You’ve been doing your best to manage your anxiety (positive attitude, gratitude journal, exercise, relaxing weekends) and you’ve been looking for better jobs (that pay well enough) but without success, not much available at the moment.
It ocurred to me- and I don’t think we ever talked about it- that teaching (if it paid well enough) could be an option?
Because outside of maybe a yearly evaluation, you don’t get monitored and no one interferes with what you’re doing in your own classroom.
I’ll be back to you when I get back to the š„
āØļøāØļøāØļø Anita
April 30, 2026 at 7:56 am #457436
anitaParticipantHi Gabrielle:
I just wanted to check in gently. You donāt have to answer anything if youāre not up for it. I just hope youāre being kind to yourself while you sort through everything. Breakups can stir up so many conflicting feelings, and itās okay to take your time.
If you ever feel like sharing more, Iām here.
āØšš¤ļøš¤Anita
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