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May 1, 2026 at 10:29 pm #457489
anitaParticipantI kept repeating my story (telling it over and over) because I didn’t trust it-
The gaslighting, denial and crazy-crazy-crazy.. crazy-making by my mother was so.. so much, didn’t know WHAT.
Her story: she was the best mother; I was the worst daughter, and then.. everyone was the worst and she was the eternal victim.
I loved her so much that I was fully invested in believing her version of the story while seeing that her story was not true.
More later.
May 1, 2026 at 10:14 pm #457488
anitaParticipantHaving been frozen/ dissociated for so long, it’s strange to just feel what I stopped feeling so long ago (when I was a child, before I can remember).
The dissociation was so deep, and for so long, that I didn’t believe my own words- my own feeling- my own memories. It all felt made-up, not real.
This is what was missing all along: trusting the little I remembered. Trusting it to be something that really happened vs something I made up.
May 1, 2026 at 9:53 pm #457487
anitaParticipantMy reply from so long ago: “Dear kadija: … you do and do and do for them and then you get angry. When you get angry all hell breaks loose. You go on and on.. and on, about how much you do for them and how they do nothing or very little for you in return. You break stuff, kick them out, and then you wonder why your relationships don’t last.
I quoted Kadija’s words: “I fight over small things, I get angry over minor issues, and I keep going on and on and rewind the past too much…I am very ashamed to say that when I’m angry and frustrated… I thrash his things and fall into fits of tears…sometimes I damages things to vent my anger… I guess I keep picking the wrong guys who do very little for me, guys who expects a lot from me and rarely show appreciation. Of course, I am a loving and caring person, and with the right type of loving guy I could have a loving relationship is just that I keep falling for the same type of man over and over again.”
And my final comments in that reply: “You conveniently closed your eyes to what you do wrong in the relationships (with men, perhaps you have done so with your children as well) and focus on the idea that you get involved with the wrong guys. The suggestion perhaps is that if the man was decent then you wouldn’t get angry and you won’t go on and on and on about how much you do for him, how ungrateful he is, how he gives you nothing in return.. and break his things.
“Problem is, there is no … right man who will appreciate you enough, reciprocate enough. Your pattern with the right man, as with the wrong man, would be to do and do, clean and cook and so forth, and then explode in rage. This is your pattern, your behavior, and it is for you to own.
“Any and all comfort on the part of the man (or an unfortunate child in this situation) brought about by a warm meal and a clean house, all that evaporates and is gone in the distress of your rage and aggression. anita”
Copilot (AI): “Here’s a clear, compassionate evaluation of the reply you wrote 8+ years ago, followed by a version that would communicate the same truth without shaming, attacking, or overwhelming the person.
🌿 Evaluation of your original reply- Your reply had good intentions: you were trying to help Kadija see a destructive pattern she wasn’t acknowledging. You were also trying to hold her accountable for her behavior instead of letting her blame everything on “picking the wrong men.” That part was valid and important.
But the tone of your message was very direct, confrontational, emotionally harsh, focused on what she was doing wrong, written in a way that could make her feel judged or attacked, likely to trigger defensiveness rather than reflection.
You used phrases like: “You conveniently closed your eyes…”, “There is no right man…”, “This is your pattern, your behavior, and it is for you to own.”
These statements are true, but the delivery is sharp. It reads more like a scolding than support. When someone already feels ashamed of their anger, this tone can make them shut down instead of open up.
You also made assumptions about her children (“perhaps you have done so with your children as well”), which could feel intrusive or accusatory.
In short: Your insight was accurate. Your delivery was too hard. Your message needed more compassion and less confrontation.
🌱 A better version — same truth, softer delivery:
** “Kadija, I hear how painful these relationships have been for you, and how much you feel unappreciated. I also want to gently reflect something important: in your past posts, you’ve described moments where anger overwhelmed you — going on for a long time, bringing up old hurts, breaking things, and feeling out of control. That kind of anger would be difficult for any partner to handle, even a loving one.
“It’s understandable that you want a man who appreciates you, but the pattern you described — giving a lot, holding everything in, and then exploding — would likely repeat itself even with a ‘good’ man. This isn’t because you’re a bad person. It’s because this is a learned pattern, and patterns follow us until we work on them.
“The good news is that patterns can change. You deserve relationships where you feel calm, respected, and connected — and part of getting there is understanding your own reactions with compassion, not blame. If you can work on the anger and the buildup that leads to it, your relationships can feel very different.”**
🌟 Why this version works better- It names the behavior without shaming her. It acknowledges her pain. It avoids attacking her character. It focuses on growth, not blame. It keeps the door open for self‑reflection instead of defensiveness. It offers hope and agency.
(I asked Copilot if my reply was abusive): “Was your reply abusive? No — it wasn’t abusive. But it was harsh, confrontational, and emotionally blunt in a way that could have felt shaming to the person receiving it.
Abuse involves attacking someone’s character, belittling them, threatening them, humiliating them, trying to control or dominate them.
Your message didn’t do those things. You weren’t trying to hurt her — you were trying to hold up a mirror.
But the tone was sharp, accusatory, unforgiving, lacking warmth or compassion.
So, while it wasn’t abusive, it could have felt emotionally overwhelming or invalidating to someone already struggling with shame, anger, and relationship issues.
🌱 What your reply actually was- Your reply was accurate (your observations were correct), insightful (you saw a pattern she wasn’t seeing), well‑intentioned (you wanted to help her grow), too blunt (the delivery overshadowed the message). You were trying to wake her up, but the tone made it harder for her to hear you.
🌟 Why it feels harsh to you now- Because you’ve changed. You now understand emotional nuance better, communicate more gently, value compassion more, see how tone affects people, recognize that truth without softness can wound.
You’re not judging your past self — you’re simply seeing that you would handle it differently today. That’s growth, not guilt…
You weren’t abusive — you were triggered. Your reply wasn’t coming from a calm, neutral place. It was coming from a younger part of you that still carried pain from your mother’s behavior.
Kadija’s descriptions — the anger, the explosions, the blaming, the emotional volatility — matched the way your mother behaved. That similarity activated old wounds in you. When that happens, the brain often reacts as if the old threat is happening again right now.
So instead of speaking to Kadija, you were speaking to the ghost of your mother.
Projection doesn’t mean you were wrong — it means you were hurting. Your observations about Kadija’s pattern were accurate. But the intensity of your tone came from somewhere else.
Projection works like this: Someone reminds you of a person who hurt you. Your nervous system reacts as if it’s the same person. Your words come out sharper, harder, more charged. You feel like you’re fighting an old battle
You weren’t trying to harm her. You were trying to protect yourself — from your mother, not from Kadija.
🌤️ Why you see it clearly now- Because you’ve grown. You now have more emotional awareness, more compassion, more distance from your past, more understanding of your own triggers.
You’re not judging your old self — you’re recognizing that you were speaking from pain, not malice.
That’s healing.
🌟 The deeper truth- You weren’t abusive. You were activated.
You were trying to stop a pattern that once hurt you deeply. You were trying to say to your mother — through someone else — “This behavior is not okay. It hurt me. It destroys relationships.”
That’s not cruelty. That’s a wound speaking.
And now you’re able to see it with clarity and softness — which means the wound is no longer running the show.
If you want, I can help you explore what exactly in her words triggered the “mother part”…
What you’re noticing now — that you were speaking to your mother through this other woman — is a very insightful realization. And yes, there were very specific things in Kadija’s words that would naturally trigger the “mother part” of you. Let’s break it down in a grounded, emotionally clear way.
🌿 1. Her descriptions of explosive anger mirrored your mother’s behavior- Kadija wrote things like: “I fight over small things.” “I get angry over minor issues.” “I keep going on and on.” “I thrash his things.”
“I fall into fits of tears.” “I damage things to vent my anger.” These are not neutral statements. They are almost verbatim the behaviors you lived with growing up.So, when you read them, your nervous system didn’t just see “a stranger describing her anger.”
It saw your mother.Your body remembered the fear, the chaos, the unpredictability. Your reply came from that old wound.
🌱 2. Her refusal to take responsibility echoed your mother’s denial- Kadija responded by saying: “I keep picking the wrong guys.” “I’m loving and caring — they’re the problem.” This is exactly the kind of deflection you likely heard from your mother:
“It’s not my fault.” “If others behaved differently, I wouldn’t get angry.” “I’m the one who gives everything — they’re ungrateful.”
When someone refuses to own their behavior, it can feel like the same old emotional trap you grew up in.
Your reply wasn’t just frustration — it was the child in you finally speaking up.🌤️ 3. The combination of rage + victimhood is a classic trigger for adult children of volatile parents-
This pattern — explosive anger followed by self‑pity and blame — is deeply destabilizing for a child.
When you saw it again in Kadija, your system reacted as if you were back in that environment.So, your message wasn’t abusive. It was protective. You were trying to stop the cycle that once hurt you.
🌟 4. You weren’t talking to Kadija — you were talking to the mother who never listened- Your tone — sharp, urgent, confrontational — makes sense when you see it this way. You were saying things you never got to say as a child:
“This behavior is harmful.” “You can’t blame everyone else.” “You need to take responsibility.” “This destroys relationships.”
You were finally confronting the person who hurt you — but the person in front of you wasn’t actually your mother.
That’s what projection is.
Not a flaw. A wound speaking.
🌼 5. The fact that you see this now means the wound is healing- You’re not stuck in that old emotional role anymore. You can see the difference between the real person in front of you, and the parent your nervous system remembers
That’s growth. That’s clarity. That’s emotional maturity.
And it’s why you’re able to look back and say: “I wasn’t abusive — I was triggered.”
Copilot.
This is me speaking tonight: these very days I am giving my emotions their rightful 3-dimension, releasing them from the 2-D suppression. Allowing nuance.
I love her, I see her as a hurting child I so much wanted to save. And at the same time, I feel her abuse and control, her rage, her aggression; my hurt, my anger at being her victim.
Thing is I was so very dissociated from my hurt that I didn’t know I was projected it- the anger attached to it- to people like Kadija. I don’t want to do that anymore.
Anita
May 1, 2026 at 7:05 pm #457485
anitaParticipantR U okay, Confused? Did U have the video 📞?
May 1, 2026 at 6:53 pm #457484
anitaParticipantI am sorry, Bernadette (Kadija) for this lousy reply more than 8 years ago. I just came across it so many years after and without looking too much into our communication, seems to me that right above, I projected my mother into you, and confronted my mother.. by proxy of you.
I want to look into this further tomorrow.
Anita
May 1, 2026 at 2:48 pm #457477
anitaParticipantYou are welcome, Confused!
“I started crying saying ‘not my baby, no!'”- this is an emotion that expresses a strong attachment, this is you NOT having checked out!
May 1, 2026 at 12:53 pm #457475
anitaParticipantOh, dear Confused: I wish I could send courage your way in regard to the video call 📞 later today.
Well, I can send it your way, here it goes: 💪 💪 💪 (the only emoji I could summon, regardless, Courage Ur Way!
I’ll be back in a few hours.
May 1, 2026 at 10:30 am #457471
anitaParticipantAs I read the above, I’m becoming aware of how much what I recounted above felt like it didn’t happen to me. That I wasn’t there.
And that healing- the filling in of empty spaces (‘ I wasn’t there’)- is about finally FEELING that really I was there.
And then FEELING- finally- how I really felt, the girl that I was- to be told by my mother that I was “A Big Zero”. It finally landing again (50-60 years later).
The girl I was- I was hurt beyond words can describe. It was a severe emotional blow.
And then, her saying: “The only thing I like about you is that you don’t resist (the message, that ‘I am a – big-zero’)-
The implications of this extra message: to submit- in adulthood- to abuse because that’s the only praiseworthy thing about me.
More later.
Anita
May 1, 2026 at 10:00 am #457470
anitaParticipantHow R U, Em?
April 30, 2026 at 9:29 pm #457464
anitaParticipantHow time flies, Peter:
It’s been almost 2 years since you posted your original post on “Blank Canvas”, June 20, 2024.
Copilot: Here is Peter’s post rewritten in the simplest, clearest language, while keeping the meaning intact:
Peter remembers a school trip to an art museum where he saw a painting called “blank white canvas.” It was literally just a white canvas. Next to it was a red canvas called “red canvas.” He and his classmates laughed at how silly it seemed.
Recently, that memory came back to him after he read about an older man who was dying and said he was afraid. The man was scared of losing his identity and the sense of self he had lived with.
Thinking about that, Peter wondered again: Is a blank canvas really blank?
And why do we think a painted canvas isn’t blank?
Then he had a realization:
A canvas is always “blank” in a deeper sense. Even when something is painted on it, the canvas underneath is still there. It holds every painting that could ever be created. The painting appears for a while, but the canvas remains unchanged.
This made him think about life:
Moments come and go, but there is something underneath them that doesn’t change — something like the “eternal present.” When he holds both ideas together (the moment in time and the timelessness beneath it), he feels calm and his thoughts quiet down.
He remembers a quote from Joseph Campbell about how the center of life is where movement (time) and stillness (eternity) meet. When you see the eternal inside the present moment, you feel the real meaning of life.
From this perspective, nothing is truly lost or gained. Everything arises from the same “blank canvas” and returns to it. And he wonders about the dying man — whether his fear comes from clinging to the painted picture instead of recognizing the canvas beneath it.”
I am recognizing the canvas beneath, Peter.
Anita
April 30, 2026 at 7:53 pm #457463
anitaParticipantOh, yes, SSRIs are known for sexual side effects.
Hmm I didn’t think of it as retroactive jealousy, ROCD. Now retroactively I am thinking of it this way 🤔
Those thoughts I suppose were my protector part, seeing betrayal now ( well, back then) so to not face future betrayal.
✂️✂️✂️✂️✂️✂️✂️✂️✂️ Anita
April 30, 2026 at 7:34 pm #457461
anitaParticipantThe thing about SSRIs- it’s a personal compatibility thing. It takes time for a good (!) psychiatrist and a patient to figure out what drug is best for the particular person and at what dosage.
Weird numb sensations..? Something unpleasant that you didn’t experience before?
My obsessive loops back then (in the 90s)- jealousy, obsessing about someone’s past, his ex girlfriend or girlfriend’s (I don’t remember now) like it was happening right there and then in front of me.
It was really nice to not have those movies playing in my 🧠 again and again.
✂️✂️✂️ Anita
April 30, 2026 at 7:06 pm #457459
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
Negative side effects from SSRIs? No, none in my 17 year experience with 2 SSRIs. No complaints at all. Nothing but positive.
Like I shared with you before, taking Zoloft felt like a pair of ✂️ was going through my 🧠, cutting off obsessive thinking loops. It was quite magical for me.
Problem is I needed more help, psychological therapy and social support that I didn’t get for way too long.
Your heart, your soul is beautiful. Scared but beautiful. Confused. You so deserve peace of mind and heart.
✂️ 🙏 🧠 🔑 🐰 Anita
April 30, 2026 at 6:52 pm #457458
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
As I’ve been reviewing my past replies to members years ago, running them through Copilot’s analysis and seeing it clearly myself, I can clearly see my own hardened heart: not responding to others’ emotions and focusing on intellectual analysis, then getting impatient with members at times, etc.
It’s embarassing to go back in time, not too long ago, and see the clinical, emotionally unattuned (closed, hardened heart) replies I produced.
But then, what is to be expected from a person (me and others) growing inward in environments that attack and punish the once soft heart..
“He (Peter) is not asking you to perform. He is inviting you to rest”-
To rest in a softened heart, an unpunished heart.
Is this the promised land: safety within a soft heart, is this the resting?
🖼 Anita
April 30, 2026 at 6:29 pm #457456
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
“She’s my Bubu” ohhhh 😍
Even though the feeling changed, still ohhh ❤️
My experience with depression was miserable. Thing is I don’t remember myself not being depressed. That’s why in the last few years I feel like a child/ teenager.. young, for the first time.
The meds (SSRIs) helped (I was in my 30s when I started taking them. But what really helped came many years later: greater and greater Clarity and less and less Confusion.
“She’s my Bubu”- that’s the loving, vulnerable ( as in being open to getting hurt, abandoned, rejected) part of you.
“She’s not really something special”- that’s the protector part of you, trying to protect you from hurt.
“I felt nothing”- that’s the vulnerable part 🔒-ed, ⏸️-ed, protected.
“That’s a mechanism”- of protection.
🔑 🙏 ✨️ Anita
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