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November 28, 2025 at 10:27 am #452328
anitaParticipantI know that WhatsApp allows for free international calling.. no charge. Is it something that’s available for you and her?
November 28, 2025 at 10:17 am #452327
anitaParticipantDear Nichole:
“Well, I had a call where I kind of exploded on a caller. It was really bad. A lot was said. I was unprofessional. It was not right what I did and I will have to face the consequences. I have a lot of shame around it and am working through that.”-
I didn’t pay attention to this part of your post when I replied to you last night wit red wine in my system. I am sorry that it happened, Nichole! Any news in regard to this???
“I reached out via email and text to Dad… I am not entirely sure how I feel about it. Processing…lol”- How are you feeling about it today?
Of what I did pay attention to last night, I find this part very meaningful: “I believed there was a destination. An end to healing and the pain. But you are right, the process is and will always be ongoing. Especially the more traumatic the upbringing was. And I am beginning to be okay with that too. I enjoy the self discovery and depth that comes with healing.”-
You said it perfectly and I can’t say it any better.
During the long, long time when I believed there was a destination (a happily-ever-after existence), I was greatly disappointed whenever I felt distressed yet again following some healing or better understanding, and figured that I have to restart from zero.
It is only after I understood that a happily-ever-after existence is a thing of fairytales and fantasy, that I stopped having the unrealistic expectation of no more distress. And what happened next was that when I felt distressed I tried to be aware why it happened and what I can learn from it.
Actually, every single day I repeat this mantra in these exact words: “Learn today: base today’s learning on top of yesterday’s, and tomorrow’s on top of today’s. The only kind of learning that can make a positive difference when it comes to mental health-is the continuous, progressive kind, the kind that continues and progresses from one day to the next, building on the previous day’s”.
Thank you for your kind words, Nichole. And I am grateful for you too 🙏
I hope to read from you soon as I am concerned about your job situation.
🤍 Anita
November 28, 2025 at 9:45 am #452324
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
Peter, Nov 9, 2016: “I no longer believe in love or change… Love does not conquer all, it does not conquer fear… Ten years ago I was optimistic that we could create positive change in the world and yet time and time again more often than not we just let life happen. If the way of the West has failed so has the way of the East. I’m a hamster on a wheel going nowhere because there is no ‘where’ to go. Love is just a joke.
Peter, Nov 27, 2025: “The danger is mechanical living and reacting without awareness, repeating without questioning… Awareness itself is transformative. It allows us to live with clarity instead of habit, presence instead of fear… Fear repeats the past; awareness opens the door to what has never been.. a ‘hope’ with eyes open.”-
Written so very well, Peter, and I fully agree ✅.
You shifted from despair (Love is a joke. Change doesn’t happen. We’re stuck) to possibility and cautious optimism (Fear repeats the past, but awareness can open the door to something new).
I noticed is that you used the word “love” 4 times in your original post 9 years ago, but not a single time in your latest post. You moved from saying “love is not the answer” to saying “awareness is the answer.”
You replaced love (not transformative) with awareness (transformative).
Less than a couple of hours after you submitted your original post, I submitted a post where I asked you: “what are you referring to by ‘love’? How do you define love (in context of this thread)?”- but best I figure, you didn’t answer this question.
You are welcome to answer it now if you wish..🙂
🤍 Anita
November 28, 2025 at 7:51 am #452323
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
What a beautiful post, a masterpiece! I want to reread it and reply in a couple- three hours 🙏 ❤️
November 27, 2025 at 9:40 pm #452313
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
So much of the stupidity that I observe around me these very days irl is about people preferring to NOT see the glaring, evident truth.
The make-believe, wishful thinking.. Irresponsible Optimism, in real-life, these very days (which I haven’t shared about).
So.. funny.. My mother, my perceived goddess.. huh..
Just a.. what’s the word- not someone for me to look up to, not someone deserving any admiration of any kind, because even her being hard-working, even that she.. misused to cause harm.
It’s just that she.. was no one to look up to.
I feel sorry for her for not being someone for me to look up to.
Just not someone I value.
The little girl that she was before I was born- yes, worthwhile.
But not the woman/ person I was born to- through.
Not someone deserving my esteem, or my respect.
Not a good person.
Dark eyes, mild sadistic smile, words like bullets hitting through the heart.. BOOM
That’s the thing I was born through, cruel, vengeful..
May I STOP seeing her as anything other than what she was, to me, to others: MEAN. Sadistic.
November 27, 2025 at 8:50 pm #452312
anitaParticipantDear Nichole:
WOW.. This might be the most meaningful, most moving post I ever read from you. Well.. it moves me.
Only 20 minutes before the ending of Thanksgiving day where you’re at: HAPPY THANKSGIVING back to you!!!
My Thanksgiving.. well, more eating than I’d like, and personally, if it was up to me, I’d cancel all holidays and make a rule that every day must be like the day before, NO SPECIAL DAYS!
Yes, it’s a process. I’ll reply further in the morning.
.. 10 minutes till the end of this Thurs 2025 Thanksgiving where you’re at.
Back to you the morning after..🙂
🤍 Anita
November 27, 2025 at 8:19 pm #452311
anitaParticipant“Maybe”- depending on.. her motivation or yours? (I am Confused 😢.. but it could be too much Thanksgiving food, here, just south of you)
November 27, 2025 at 8:07 pm #452310
anitaParticipantWell, Alessa- I ate and I am F.U.L.L: chicken substituting for turkey, some other, fatty meat+ stuffing, cranberry sauce, beets (cake and dessert I didn’t have) and red wine.. and I am STUFFED.
Had a wonderful first meeting with a Canadian woman whose name is the same as mine, Anita, a psychotherapist (referred to as “a psychologist” up north; got her contact info.. a special experience meeting her.
Almost danced, but not quite.
I am GLAD the holidays- for me- are over. Hate the food aspect of it.. tasty though. I just like every day to be the same as the one before. I don’t like “special” days.. just regular days 😌
That’s my report 😢
I hope you are sleeping well at this time, Fri, 4:07 am your time (Thursday, 8:07 pm here)
❤️ Anita
November 27, 2025 at 2:52 pm #452305
anitaParticipantDear me aka ladies man 😊
Can’t-help-it-lol is so much like you, me..
So, when will you be talking on the phone for the first time..?
November 27, 2025 at 2:43 pm #452304
anitaParticipantIt made my day reading your response. Truly, a 😊 on my face. Have a great Thanksgiving yourself 🦃 🥧 🍂🍁
November 27, 2025 at 12:53 pm #452300
anitaParticipantI suppose we did, Peter 😊
Happy Thanksgiving. I give thanks for Peter being a positively one-of-a-kind individualized expression of The Source 😊
🙏 🤍 🙏 🤍 Anita
November 27, 2025 at 12:38 pm #452299
anitaParticipantHAPPY THANKSGIVING, Alessa!
Today, I am giving thanks to myself (just shared about it on my other thread).
And I am giving thanks for all the good people in my life, and you are included, Alessa 🙏 🙏 🙏 ❤️ 🤍❤️ 😊.
3.5 hours to the gathering, I’ll tell you about it when I’m back.
(I love Chinese food, by the way.. I wonder if anyone doesn’t..).
I hope that you have a restful night 😴🛏️🌙✨😌💤
Anita
November 27, 2025 at 12:24 pm #452298
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
“I hear you and understand that you might be feeling befuddled by these newest realizations: that you didn’t see something that you say was pretty obvious (your mother wearing a wig), or that you’ve only now realized that what you saw that early morning wasn’t a dream, but you really saw your mother’s bald head.
“But your mother told you it was just a bad dream, and so you didn’t question it further. You accepted her words… You needed to believe her, because this is what allowed you to stay attached to her, which is what we as children need to survive. We need to stay attached to our parents, and that includes believing that our parents are good people and that they have our best interests in mind.
“So, believing our parents, trusting their intentions, blaming ourselves rather than them if they mistreat us… that’s all how we keep the hope that our parents are good people and that we’re safe with them.
“In addition, abusive parents (specially narcissistic parents) regularly gaslight us and tell us various lies (that they’re the best parents, that they only want what’s best for us, that we’re bad, ungrateful and unworthy, but that they love us anyway, etc. etc.). Similar lies that your mother told you.. And they’re really good at ‘selling’ their narrative.
“So I think it’s kind of a 2-fold action: we want to believe them, because we need it for our survival, and they’re really good at portraying themselves as good and us as bad. They’re very convincing. And I think that as a result, we get easily brainwashed: we are receptive to it, and they are master gaslighters.
“And then we start gaslighting ourselves too, telling ourselves that our parent is a good parent, that things aren’t as bad, that they mean well.. and I think that as a part of that self-gaslighting, we might not even see or perceive certain things that would be obvious to an outside observer.
“It’s like we don’t want to see those things, and so we block them from our conscious awareness. I suppose that’s what happened to you, and why you never put 2 and 2 together regarding your mother wearing a wig. She told you it wasn’t real, and you believed her, because you wanted to believe her: not only about the wig, but about everything else. Because you needed to believe her, because that was key for your survival.
“At least that’s how I explain it to myself… what are your thoughts on this?”- I agree with every word I quoted above, every single word.
“The lies are unfortunately pervasive: almost everything she told you (or conditioned you to believe) about yourself and other people isn’t true. Also, a lot of what she told you about herself – how good and loving mother she is – is also not true.
“But the worst lies are those that we’ve accepted about ourselves: about our worth and how worthy of love we are. And it’s good to hear that your sense of self-worth is growing by the day… I’m really happy about that, Anita ❤️ It’s a great sign, and indicates that her lies are having less and less impact on you! 🤞”- Thank you, Tee (did I already say that you’re the best..).
Developing the thoughts I copied above: To maintain attachment to her (biologically, instinctually, a matter of survival), I submitted to her in every possible way, best I could: let her wash me, let her dress me, eat all the food she wanted me to eat (overeat), study in school best I could, hours and hours.. let her endlessly vent to me (about “the evil” of others), let her hit me while looking down as she did (because she said she likes it that I do), TRIED to clean the apt to her satisfaction.. Tried to teach her (as a teenager) what I read in psychology books, offered to be her warrior and get the “evil people” away from her..
* This is amazing.. I never listed the things I did, or try to do for her. She always listed in great detail what she did for me and how ungrateful I was. Here is my FIRST time acknowledging what I did for her.. what she wasn’t grateful for!!!
Oh, and the money I sent for her, or in her direction (much, much more than what I mentioned before).
Oh, and faking a marriage so that she can be brought to NYC, her dream come true (not proud of it.. yet the motivation was to make her happy).. And more and more.
Truly, I wasn’t aware of this before, how hard I tried in each and every way that was available to me- to please her, to satisfy her, to make her mind and life better. Never gave myself credit!
The title of a book, I think it was, “People of the Lie” comes to mind. She gaslighted me so much.. She LIED to me so thoroughly. About who she was (UNGRATEFUL to me… except that one time when she said the trip to NYC/Florida was.. something positive, don’t remember the words she used, but I remember how unique, a first it was that she gave me credit for anything 1-2-1.
(Her bragging about my non-existing academic success in school was .. bragging to others so to elevate her image).
So, today, I am giving myself credit for all my many, many.. many efforts to help her. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE!
Coming to think about it- the timing is perfect: Thanksgiving!
Thank you, Anita, for your many, many efforts and all your hard work invested in helping this woman!!!
People of the Lie- it’s a lie that I was selfish and ungrateful to her.. a lie she told me.
All her guilt-tripping and shaming me were based on LIES.
Okay, better I try to relax now.
Thank you, Tee 🙏 🙏 🙏
❤️ 🤍 🫶 ❤️ Anita
November 27, 2025 at 11:36 am #452292
anitaParticipantDear Mollie:
“my parents (as much as I love them”- I have no doubt that you love them very much, and always have (even when you felt or feel hurt and angry).
“(They) perpetuate the cycle of this is the profession for you, because it’s the best one and you are the best.”- Reads like they’re not aware that what’s best for you and what they think is best for you.. are not the same thing..?
“As much as they say they’ll always support me, I don’t know whether it’s always true.”- So, you feel that their support/ love is conditional on you becoming a lawyer?
It keeps amazing me how often parents love their children conditionally, more like the rule than the exception..
“My parents were worried about my brother, there were arguments at home, to the extent that I would develop tension in my tummy (what I now know to be anxiety).”= the birthplace of your anxiety, seems to me.
I wonder why they were worried about him.. and how you tried to be different from him- to not cause them any worry on account of you..?
💚 Anita
November 27, 2025 at 11:16 am #452291
anitaParticipantThank you for the acknowledgment, dear James. Truly, you are very kind 🙏
Best Regards back to you!
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