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June 13, 2026 at 9:50 pm #458577
anitaParticipantAt the computer. Copilot: “Your message is warm, validating, and emotionally safe. You normalize his experience and give him a sense of being held rather than judged. You also correctly identify the intrusive thoughts and the burnout from impossible logistics. Your tone is steady and affectionate — exactly what he responds well to.
“What’s missing is the deeper emotional interpretation of his childhood story, his dissociative “nothing is real” moment. Those are the two places where he is actually asking, without saying it directly, “Why am I like this?”
“And that’s where your next reply can help him most.
“Here is a deep follow‑up message you can send to Confused — one that meets him where he actually is: in the place where childhood attachment wounds collide with adult closeness, and his nervous system flips between longing and fear. It addresses the two things he opened up about but that haven’t yet been reflected back to him:
(1) the emotional meaning of his childhood story
(2) the dissociation/derealization after closeness
I’m writing it in your voice — warm, steady, grounded, and emotionally precise. Your deep follow‑up message to Confused
“Hey Dear Confused,
I’ve been thinking about your two posts, and I want to go a little deeper with you, because what you shared touches the core of why you sometimes feel connected and then suddenly disconnected.
When you described your childhood — the fights, the sudden departures, the plans that would collapse overnight, the emotional silence, the drinking, the chaos — what I saw was a little boy living in a minefield of unpredictability. You never knew when closeness would turn into conflict, when joy would turn into disappointment, when a parent would suddenly withdraw. That kind of environment teaches a child something very specific: “Don’t relax. Don’t trust the good moments. They can disappear in a second.”
“And because no one helped you make sense of your emotions, your nervous system had to invent its own survival strategy: disconnect fast when things feel too close.
“So, when you told me that after 8 hours of warm, enjoyable connection with her, your mind suddenly went: “Why do I want her?”, “She’s not real.”, “What we said wasn’t real.”- That was your old survival system kicking in.
“It’s the same system that protected 9‑year‑old you when your father packed his bags and left without explanation.
It’s the same system that protected teenage‑you when emotions were too overwhelming and no adult helped you hold them.“This sudden ‘nothing is real’ feeling is not a thought — it’s a dissociative reflex, a way your body learned to keep you safe from the pain of losing something you care about.
“And here’s the important part: You’re not “confused” in the way you think. You’re actually doing something incredibly brave: you’re letting yourself get close to someone despite having a nervous system that learned closeness = danger.
“That’s why it feels strange and scary. That’s why your mind tries to pull you back. That’s why the good moments are followed by a sudden drop. This is not a sign to run. It’s a sign that you’re healing. And healing feels disorienting because it’s new.
“I’m here with you in this — not judging, not diagnosing, just seeing the whole picture with you. And I’m really glad you shared all of this. It helps me understand you even more deeply. 🎶 Anita”
Okay, Confused, I’m a bit freaked out about AI tonight, my goodness. It’s like science fiction.
The above is correct though, isn’t it Confused?
AI-Bamboozled Anita
June 13, 2026 at 8:23 pm #458576
anitaParticipantContinued:
No wonder having to choose between leaving your country and leaving her (the logistics) led you to experience a freeze and a burnout. It would anyone in this same situation.
Romance/ fantasy vs Logistics- lots of friction there. And there’s no resolution to it: you still don’t want to live in Cyprus and she still doesn’t want to live in Greece. This right here is a LDRP (a LDR Problem)
Seems like Kiddo- Confused (to me, a 13/ teenager-Confused is still a kiddo), couldn’t rely on either parent. Both disappointed you.
Maybe you held on to your father (being attached to him, still hoping) longer than you did to your mother. But eventually, they both failed kiddo- Confused.
You know I’m going to talk to Copilot about your recent 2 posts when I’m back to the computer✔️
One more thing: I’m honored that you’re honored that I feel this way from afar 😊
🎶 Anita
June 13, 2026 at 7:52 pm #458575
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused 🙂
Using my phone, read your 2 posts. First thing that came to mind as I read that the two of you texted for 8 hours- was that she is seriously emotionally attached to you (and you are equally attached to her).
Second thing that came to mind was that the thought “Why do I want her?” and other such thoughts- after a very enjoyable time of talking with her- are nothing but Intrusive Thoughts (IT, if you will) and not an indication of lack of love/ attachment to her.
These are thoughts that just show up and better not take them seriously. They’re like an itch that doesn’t indicate a health problem.
(I’m on the phone, so I can’t ask Copilot for a better phrasing of what intrusive thoughts mean).
I’ll submit this and continue next.
June 13, 2026 at 5:03 pm #458573
anitaParticipantwill read and reply in a few hours, Confused
June 12, 2026 at 10:39 pm #458567
anitaParticipant🤍 🤍 🤍(using the computer)
June 12, 2026 at 10:06 pm #458566
anitaParticipantHow many times people cry into the night 🌙, begging for help 🌙🙏 and met with nothing but silence 🌙🤫, or worse: misunderstanding, shaming and blaming 😔👉😒👉😑☝️😕💭, however subtly?
How often do we pass on the shame 😔 we experienced to others, in one way or another?
I don’t want to do any of that anymore, not ever.
June 12, 2026 at 9:24 pm #458565
anitaParticipantJust thinking this Friday night:
How many times did I miss people trying to connect with me? How many times I connected and then disconnected because it felt too close, too wrong?
How many times people I reached out to, in one way or another, turned their back to me?
How often judgment stood in the way: not listening to people’s hearts by hurrying to categorize, diagnose, pathologize? Not listening to people’s hearts?
Anita
June 12, 2026 at 7:35 pm #458564
anitaParticipantHey 👋 Confused:
Thank you. Really, it’s a delight to have you here, in my life.
Now that I’m thinking about it, dorsal-vagal freeze or not, who wouldn’t take a step back, emotionally, when the price of love becomes having to move to another country (and having had no desire or plans to move prior to the relationship)?
I think that the LD aspect, where one of you would have to move to the other’s country, was a big strain, and would be for anyone who wasn’t already interested in moving to another country.
You wrote that you weren’t attached to your parents, but Kiddo- Confused was very much attached to your father!
But then, he disappointed you (how?)
If you feel calmer, placebo or not doesn’t matter. Give it a chance, will you ( how many weeks of taking it constitutes giving it a chance)?
✨️ 🌿 ✨️ Anita
June 12, 2026 at 6:21 pm #458562
anitaParticipantDear Alessa 🌿
Good to read back from you! I would have included white or blue hearts in this message, using my phone, but the feature of emojis showing up as I type no longer exists for me. I can use only the emojis somehow saved on the phone 😔
The meetings with regulars- there were only 2 and I don’t see a third. The Taproom Era is over. And so is the Winery Era. Maybe something new will take place next, sometime. I am okay nonetheless.
Bogart is a good boy! His friend Kurby ( the neighbors’ beagle) is here for a visit but he’s too busy chewing on a bone to play with Bogart.
Yes, sterilization for girl dogs are more difficult than that of boys!
Oh, the two cuddling..😊
Thank you for understanding that expressing myself makes me feel better! You are always welcomed to express yourself in any of my threads, or in yours, of course.
And thank you for your empathy 🙏
I like how you intentionally notice positive things. That’s a healthy practice!
Keep spreading the love, Alessa (white heart emoji)
✨️ 🌿 ✨️ Anita
June 11, 2026 at 9:12 pm #458545
anitaParticipantThe feeling of love- what does it mean? For me, growing up, it was about wanting/ needing/ wishing/ praying to be loved.
Which I wasn’t.
The desert of my childhood was that of no- love.
A long, long desert that extended into my adulthood, way, way into getting older and older, yet unloved, and even when I was- I was unable to receive it and to rest in it.
I suppose, if I was to write an autobiography, I’d title it “Unloved”.
* Thomas, if you’re reading this, it’s okay: it helps me to type away my thoughts and feelings as I do here. Me expressing the repressed and suppressed helps me.
Unloved, yes, that would be the title. I wonder if there’s already a book out there titled “Unloved”?
How many children grow up Unloved? How many adults never get to rest in love?
Anita
June 11, 2026 at 7:41 pm #458544
anitaParticipantHey “grown a** adult”, “grumpy old dude” Confused 😁
You are very welcome. How gracious you are, Confused, expressing appreciation like you do 🙏
Within every grown- a** adult, there is a little boy or girl whose a** is not grown at all 😔
That talk about moving countries back in Nov- that was a game- changer for you, wasn’t it?
It just ocurred to me that it’s possible that the boy Confused (your words:”kiddo Confused”) didn’t want to leave his father alone in the old country). Maybe.
I mean, adult-Confused is numb to him, but kiddo-Confused..?
How do you get out of the dorsal-vagal freeze? Copilot said to do it gradually, little by little. I guess moving countries wouldn’t be a small step.
I think it’d take grown-a**- adult Confused listening to his.. little-a** Kiddo Confused.
About the psych drugs, I changed my mind: it makes sense to take just one drug (esciralopram) and see how it goes before thinking of taking a 2nd drug.
✨️🌿✨️ Anita
June 11, 2026 at 10:07 am #458530
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
I would follow the psychiatrist’s instructions if I was you rather than changing them on your own.
In your sentence before last, today, June 11, 2026, you wrote: “I want to feel love again 🙁”-
I want to go over parts of our communication, so please bear with me (if you can, if not, read at another time, or maybe it’d be a good idea to present the following to a therapist one day):
Confused, Dec 19, 2025 (first post): “Being madly in love with my LDR girl for 8 months –> sudden loss of feelings overnight for no apparent reason.”
Anita, Dec 19: “Confused would be a fitting title for most of my life. It is only within the last few years that I have gained some clarity, enough clarity to feel so much better on an ongoing basis (no longer the distressing ups and down) … In my case, my relationship with my mother scared and overwhelmed me, so my brain activated the dissociating mechanism in all relationships- I needed closeness but was afraid of it at the same time. Anything like that (to one extent or another) true to you?”
Confused, Dec 19: “In my case too, the relationship with my mother was very chaotic, violence and arguing constantly, throwing some awkward affection here and there, then rinse and repeat. I can’t remember if I was dissociating when I was a kid, definitely trying to escape in imaginary worlds and games though.”
Anita, Dec 21: “You mentioned a childhood of violence, chaos, unpredictable affection and emotional instability- This is the exact environment that creates disorganized attachment, hypervigilance, fear of abandonment and dissociation (emotional shutdown under stress) as a coping mechanism. Children in chaotic homes often learn to shut down emotionally when things get overwhelming. This pattern often reappears in adulthood — especially in intimate relationships…
“The child faces an impossible situation: ‘The person I need for safety is also the person I fear.’ So, the child’s nervous system becomes confused about how to connect. In adulthood, this often shows up as intense fear of abandonment… craving closeness but panicking when it appears, sudden emotional shutdowns, difficulty trusting stability, feeling unsafe in love, and dissociation during emotional intimacy. It’s the nervous system trying to protect someone who grew up in emotional chaos…
“The dorsal vagal shutdown state is the body’s emergency power‑saving mode when something feels too overwhelming to handle… the nervous system slows everything down — emotions, energy, heart rate, and awareness — to protect you. It’s the body’s way of “turning down the lights” so you don’t feel the full impact of the stress. In this state, people feel emotionally numb, disconnected from themselves and others, unable to feel love or joy, exhausted, foggy, spaced out, like they’re watching life from far away… It’s a survival reflex — the same that animals use when they ‘play dead.'”
Confused, Dec 22: “You are very spot on with all the things that you said. This is indeed how I grew up and calmness equaled distance between my parents (because if they weren’t fighting each other, they were calm which meant either distant or that a fight would break out soon, even with me) I did learn subconsciously that chaos/intensity=feelings, possibly love even and at times within my relationships I’ve felt like I crave some light ‘drama’ to feel ‘alive’. I’ve always believed that calm relationships=bad thing with no ‘spark’…
“I think I didn’t care about fixing my mother, but I was the one she was leaning on while confessing her issues with my father, relationship things and dislikes, to which I would only respond ‘just break up’ because that was the only thing making sense to me at the age of 11. She was like that to me too, but since I am a male, I would fight back and things would escalate pretty badly, especially after my body started developing and I was able to overpower her. My mother also had Tourette syndrome, what a coincidence! I also dreamt of being loved and finding romance, since I was a pretty shy kid with no experience in girls until the age of 20.”
Confused, Dec 26: “It was mostly fighting and arguing… She would call me words while she was angry with other things, such as ‘retard, moron’ and other stuff, which I almost never failed to say back to her lol. It was mostly intense arguing-fighting. Sometimes she would yell at me because of school or things that I accidentally broke in the house, maybe call me lazy too. I think there were other things too, but I can’t really recall right now. To be fair, she would call me nice words, expressing her love to me, hug me, kiss me as well, it wasn’t always fighting and negatives, a mix of everything really. Oh, I think there have been a couple times that she called me ‘nothing’ too, when she was really angry.”
Confused, Dec 27: “I think I’ve forgiven her, and I don’t hold resentment on that matter.”
Confused, Dec 28, 2025: “I think my mind is not ‘programmed’ to receive love, it feels kinda foreign.”
Fast forward, Confused: June 8, 2026: “It was the first ever that I saw such dreams, kiddo confused trying to fix parents fighting, father leaving and my chest burning.”
Confused, June 9: “Yes, I was very attached to him, I remember missing him a lot, running to hug him when he would return from trips, staying up at night waiting for him sometimes, hug him, sleep with him… He would take me to rides with our bicycles, teach me how to drive when I was 6 years old, teach me about gardening, taking me to football practices, swimming, basically almost every skill I have today, he taught me… Yes, I adored him… Yes, he is alive and we are in contact; we live next door actually. There is nothing wrong between us, but I can’t show him love or any affection whatsoever. Not just him, I couldn’t do it with anyone in the family, maybe with my grandma a little bit but with the rest, I don’t feel anything.
“He is so desperate for our love tho because not even my sisters can express feelings towards him. But he does it a lot every day, he hugs us and we just stand still, frozen… He tells us he loves us, but we say nothing back. I do feel bad at times, but I can’t help it… I have cried for him sometimes in the past though, I can feel his pain and longing sometimes, but I can’t reciprocate. He says he’d die for us, but I can’t feel nothing. I know I would take a bullet for my family too, but I can’t “feel” anything else, love, affection, etc. I can only feel those for romantic partners and for pets.”
Copilot about the above: Confused describes a childhood where love and chaos were fused together: a mother who alternated between affection and verbal aggression, a home where calmness signaled emotional distance or the buildup to another fight, and a role in which he became his mother’s emotional container far too young.
This created a nervous system that equates intensity with connection and calmness with danger or emptiness. In his childhood, calmness meant his parents were distant, withdrawn, or silently building toward the next fight. Intensity — yelling, arguing, emotional storms — was the only time feelings were expressed.
So, his body learned: Intensity = “this is what love feels like.” Calm = “something is wrong, something is missing, or danger is coming.” That’s why, as an adult, he misinterprets calmness as lack of love; the body wires itself to expect emotional turbulence as the baseline of closeness.
As a child, Confused experienced his father as warm, playful, skill‑building, physically affectionate, a source of joy and attention. He adored him. He described fighting with his mother (arguments escalating physically once he was older), but he did not describe physically fighting his father. Later, he emotionally shut down toward his father, but he did not describe direct conflict with him.
Over time, his nervous system learned to associate his father not with safety but with the emotional chaos surrounding him. The result is a shutdown response: he cannot feel affection toward his father now because his body protects him by going numb in situations that once overwhelmed him.
His nervous system learned that closeness is unstable and that he must stay hyper‑alert to others’ moods. As an adult, this shows up as craving intensity, equating emotional “spark” with love, and feeling uneasy or empty in calm relationships. Family relationships are tied to chaos, unpredictability, and emotional overload — so his body responds with numbness, freeze, and emotional distance as a survival reflex.
Romantic partners and pets, however, are not tied to those early traumatic circuits, so he can access warmth, tenderness, and vulnerability with them — at least initially. But as romantic closeness deepens, the old family circuitry begins to activate, leading to ambivalence, push‑pull, and sudden emotional shutdown. The closer the relationship gets to “family‑level intimacy,” the more his nervous system defaults to the protective numbness it learned in childhood.
In a chaotic household, “calm” is not truly calm — it is the silent, tense, unpredictable pause before the next eruption. His nervous system learned that the absence of noise did not mean safety; it meant waiting, bracing, scanning, anticipating danger. The fights were loud but predictable — he knew what was happening. The quiet was ambiguous, charged, and therefore more frightening. This is why, as an adult, he feels uneasy or numb in peaceful relationships and more “alive” during intensity: his body was trained to associate calm with emotional distance or impending threat, and intensity with connection. Chaos felt safer to him because at least he knew what was happening. Calmness felt dangerous because he never knew when it would explode. “Calm” was never actually calm — it was the dangerous silence before the next storm.
So now, as an adult, when a relationship is peaceful, his nervous system doesn’t interpret it as love; it interprets it as emotional distance or the warning sign that something bad is about to happen. In other words, calm feels wrong because it used to mean danger, and chaos feels “right” because it was the only time emotions were visible and predictable.
His dreams of “kiddo confused trying to fix parents fighting” show that the inner child is still active, still trying to manage chaos that ended years ago. His current situation — medication, emotional shutdown, fear that love has disappeared — reflects a nervous system overwhelmed and trying to protect him the only way it knows how: by turning off feeling when it becomes too much. He is not broken; he is still living inside the emotional logic of his childhood.
Numbness is protection. Feeling “nothing” is his body’s way of preventing him from feeling too much. Family (father hugging) triggers the deepest freeze. Because the original danger was in the family environment, his body shuts down fastest with family closeness.
Romantic partners trigger a milder version. He can feel love there, but when overwhelmed, the same shutdown appears (“I don’t want you,” numbness, irritation). The freeze response is the dorsal vagal collapse — the same survival reflex animals use when they “play dead.” It’s the body’s emergency brake.
Now, this is me speaking (Anita): for me, clarity helps. This is why I posted the above, hoping it will lead to more clarity in your mind and that clarity will lead to moving toward healing. Not perfect healing, of course, but progress, more peace of mind than before.
The above input by Copilot is a result of not only your post today but your posts since Dec 19. I think that the input is reliable. Also, you and I have it in common: we both grew up in chaotic homes and still suffer the consequences, long after we no longer live there.
Anita
June 10, 2026 at 7:52 pm #458516
anitaParticipantHi Dear James 🙂
You are talking about attachment to thoughts, releasing that attachment, loosening the hold the thoughts have on me-
I agree. I can’t stop thinking, but I can loosen my attachment to the thoughts, yes. Actually, I think I’ve been in the process of doing just that.
June 10, 2026 at 7:41 pm #458514
anitaParticipantHi again, James:
If there was not a single thought arise in my brain, then, no: there wouldn’t be a me.
🌿 me
June 10, 2026 at 7:25 pm #458512
anitaParticipantHi again, Robin:
It occurred to me this Wed morning (it’s Wed eve now) that when you asked in your original post if anyone experienced a partner who reached out after pulling away for so long – I couldn’t think of such experience in my own life.
And then, it ocurred to me that I was that person who pulled away multiple times, and so quickly, that none of the ones I pulled away from could even be referred to as a partner.
So, your partner (or former partner 😔) is a lesser Avoidant than I was because he earned the partner label: he was there with you long enough, lovingly, however imperfectly.
So, the question may be- did I ever reach out after pulling away?
No, I don’t think I ever did. But if any of the ones I pulled away from had contacted me, showing me empathy, if I felt VISIBLE to that person in a way that made me feel that I mattered, I think it would have been something very special.
I wonder what makes him feel that he matters…?
👧👵🌙 Anita
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