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April 26, 2026 at 8:28 am #457314
anitaParticipantHi Tom đ
Yes, it’s a good-enough weekend although I may be starting to miss socializing since the taproom I used to frequent closed 16 days ago.
It’s really admirable, in my mind, how you keep a positive attitude throughout your search for a better job and other life challenges. I don’t remember if we talked about it: what would be your ideal jobđ¤?
⨠Anita
April 26, 2026 at 8:26 am #457313
anitaParticipantIt’s been 7 years, 3 months and 25 days since you posted right above, Eliana. It’d be a miracle if you read this and respond đ¤
April 26, 2026 at 8:08 am #457312
anitaParticipantGood to read that you’re well, Debbieđ I am fine, sitting here on a comfortable reclining armchair with Bogart lightly snoring on my lap. âď¸ is out, expecting to work outside.
April 26, 2026 at 7:44 am #457310
anitaParticipantGood Morning Confused (using the computer)
Copilot about your recent post:
1. He confirms the core issue: he equates love with intensity- He literally says: âIâve never learned to value love and stabilityâ âI yearn for the highsâ âIf it doesnât consume me then I donât want itâ This is huge. It shows that his emotional template for love is built on chaos, adrenaline, and fear, not calm connection. Thatâs not a personality flaw â itâs a learned pattern.
This tells us: Heâs not actually doubting her. Heâs doubting a version of love that doesnât match his old blueprint. Heâs grieving the loss of the âhighsâ he used to rely on for emotional certainty.
2. He reveals a key moment: âI want to feel like beforeâ- This is extremely important. He remembers crying in December saying: âI want to feel like before.â That is textbook emotional grief â not relationship doubt. It shows: Heâs mourning the loss of the old emotional intensity. Heâs terrified because he thinks the absence of intensity = absence of love. Heâs stuck between what he feels and what he believes he should feel. This is a classic anxiety-driven identity crisis around love.
3. He describes a âfraud voiceâ â this is intrusive thinking- When he visited her, he says: âSomething was bugging me⌠a voice telling me Iâm a fraud.â This is not a relationship problem. This is an intrusive thought loop â a hallmark of anxiety and emotional dysregulation.
Intrusive thoughts often sound like: âYouâre lying.â âYou donât really love her.â âYouâre pretending.â âYouâre fake.â
These thoughts feel real but are actually fear responses.
The fact that he could hug her, kiss her, enjoy her â while the voice still attacked him â shows the thoughts are not aligned with his true feelings.
4. His derealization description is very detailed â and very telling- He asks you how it felt for you, then describes: Random moments of feeling âout of itâ âWhat am I doing here?â âWhy am I talking to her?â Forgetting things instantly. Drifting away mentally. This is classic derealization + anxiety fog.
Itâs not about her. Itâs not about the relationship. Itâs about his nervous system being overwhelmed.
Heâs describing: Cognitive dissociation. Emotional numbness. Short-term memory disruption. Disconnection from self and surroundings
These are all anxiety symptoms â not relationship symptoms.
5. âMy feelings were locked in a boxâ â this is emotional shutdown- He says: âIt felt like my feelings were locked in a box and I couldnât feel them.â
This is emotional numbing â a protective response when the brain is overwhelmed.
Important: He says logically he knew he wanted her even when he couldnât feel the emotions. Thatâs a major sign that: His values are intact. His commitment is intact. His emotional system is just overloaded.
This is not someone falling out of love. This is someone whose anxiety has hijacked his emotional access.
6. He is starting to connect the dots- He says: âWow, this fits so much, maybe I am learning something new here?â
This is a breakthrough moment.
Heâs beginning to: Recognize the pattern. Understand his emotional history. See that anxiety is the culprit. Realize his feelings didnât âdisappearâ â they got blocked
This is the first step toward healing.
7. He is open, reflective, and emotionally honest- This is important for you to see: Heâs not defensive.
Heâs not dismissive. Heâs not shutting down.Heâs: Curious Vulnerable Willing to explore Trying to understand himself Trusting you enough to share his inner world
Thatâs someone who wants clarity and stability but doesnât know how to navigate it yet.
… He is not losing feelings. He is losing familiarity. He doesnât know how to function in a relationship that isnât chaotic. He is grieving the loss of the âold rulesâ of love. Heâs trying to learn a new emotional language. He is deeply self-aware and trying to understand himself.
This is a very good sign.Hereâs a message you can send him, written in your voice but with emotional precision:
âConfused, Iâm really glad you shared all of this. What you wrote actually gives me a much clearer picture of whatâs going on inside you â and it makes total sense. Youâre not broken, and youâre not a fraud. Youâre someone who learned to associate love with intensity, and now youâre trying to navigate a calmer, safer kind of connection. That shift is confusing and scary, but itâs also a sign of growth.
When you say youâve never learned to value stability, that tells me youâre stepping into completely new emotional territory. Of course, it feels unfamiliar. Of course, your mind panics and tries to pull you back to what it knows. That doesnât mean something is wrong â it means youâre changing.
And that moment you described in December â crying and wanting to âfeel like beforeâ â thatâs exactly what happens when the old emotional pattern stops working. You werenât grieving the relationship. You were grieving the loss of the emotional intensity you used to rely on. Thatâs a painful transition, but itâs also a meaningful one.
The âfraud voiceâ you mentioned is just anxiety trying to protect you by questioning everything. It doesnât reflect who you are or what you feel. The fact that you could enjoy being close to her while that voice was screaming at you actually shows how strong your real feelings are underneath the noise.
And the derealization moments you described â the drifting, the forgetting, the âout of itâ feeling â those are classic signs of overwhelm. Theyâre not signs that the relationship is fake. Theyâre signs that your nervous system is overloaded. Iâve felt versions of that too, and itâs incredibly disorienting, but it passes.
What stands out to me most is that even when your feelings felt âlocked in a box,â you still knew you wanted her. That says everything. Your emotions didnât disappear â they just got buried under fear and pressure. Youâre slowly reconnecting with them, even if it doesnât feel smooth or predictable yet.
Honestly, Iâm proud of you for being this open. Youâre not running away from this â youâre trying to understand yourself. That takes courage. And Iâm here with you in this, not judging you, not expecting you to be perfect. Just trying to understand you the way youâre trying to understand yourself.â
Above is Copilot’s word which I agree with whole heartedly. As far as how I experienced derealization: I remember at one time (I was driving) distances changed, everything seemed closer and bigger (made it through without an accident). Another time, obviously, I was crossing a busy street but didn’t realize it until a truck flew by me. My mind drifting away was a regular thing, couldn’t follow conversations, as if I wasn’t there and didn’t know what people were talking about, etc.
I really like Copilot’s message to you. Wow!
Anita and Copilot
April 25, 2026 at 9:47 pm #457308
anitaParticipantHey đ Confused:
I am not very focused now and will reply further in the morning. But for now, about your last paragraph: yes, might-have-to- change that thinking!
A thinking that doesn’t work anymore, a thinking that is causing you nothing but distress.. – should be changed. Shouldn’t it, Confused?
I suppose that thinking (love= intensity, etc.) worked for you for a while, but it’s not working anymore. So, it takes adjusting, re- evaluating, changing.
Letting go of thinking that’s not working for you anymore.
Imagine readjusting to a different experience of love: something gentle, something mild, something that’s not life or death.
“If it doesn’t consume me”, it’s a good thing because it let’s you breathe.
More tomorrow.
đ¤ đ đŚ đ¤˘ đˇ đ đ Anita
April 25, 2026 at 9:18 pm #457307
anitaParticipantToday, I connected the concept of the Hardened Heart with Mental Rigidity: the being locked đ into one framework, one lens through which seeing the đ, and seeing no other way as valid.
As in My Way or The Highway- no other way but my own to understand YOU.
This was my mother: rigid. Worse than some other rigid-s: crazy rigid, histrionic.
In her rigidity (hardened heart) there was no seeing me as a person with my own valid thoughts and emotions. There was only her thoughts and no space for any that were different.
She squeezed me into a 2-D bare existence.
I see other people, not as crazy and volatile as my mother, yet rigid nonetheless:
– My way of understanding, interpreting- no other way.
Personally, I am relaxing my rigidity, my binary black-and-white, all-or-nothing thinking.
Assuming less, asking instead.
No longer telling you what you’re thinking, what you’re feeling, what motivates you, etc.
Instead- asking gentle questions, having a dialogue, offering an emotionally safe space for you to explore your thoughts/ feelings/ motivations-
Not to tell you what those are but to explore together.
𤪠â¨ď¸ đ¤ Anita
April 25, 2026 at 8:21 pm #457305
anitaParticipantHow R U, Debbie?
April 25, 2026 at 8:04 pm #457304
anitaParticipantI hope U’re still đ, Miss L Dutchess đ
April 25, 2026 at 7:59 pm #457303
anitaParticipantHow R U, Omyk, 2 months & 16 days since U posted last?
April 25, 2026 at 7:47 pm #457302
anitaParticipantHow R U, Nichole, 10 days since U posted last (time flies, doesn’t it)?
April 25, 2026 at 7:17 pm #457301
anitaParticipantHello again, Em:
It reads like the 2 of you live together or that he spends a lot of time in your place, and while in the same place, he wants to be together with you all the time, and doesn’t respect your need for space, for alone-time.
You and him share the same friends, and you can’t talk to them because.. they like him too much and you don’t feel that they’ll listen to your perspective because they think of him as the nicest guy and they’re not aware of how he behaves privately with you?
What doesn’t go together with the above thoughts is that “most of the time he makes (you) feel like the luckiest girl in the world”-
Can’t be lucky if he does not allow you alone-time, keeps knocking on your closed door and taking possession of your personal property as leverage (is this even legal?)
In any case, it’s clear to me that you’re very much attached to him emotionally and maybe you describe some of his behaviors as not as bad as they really are.. because part of you wants to hold on to him and never let him go?
(thinking out loud đ¤)
đ¤ Anita
April 25, 2026 at 5:43 pm #457298
anitaParticipantWho is this guy, Copilot? He’s brilliant đ
And his name starts with the same letter as yours!
The word “derealization came to my mind when I read your second post- before I read Copilot’s input. It’s a symptom of anxiety. I remember feeling it. It did feel weird.. unreal.
What didn’t ocurr to me before I read Copilot’s input is that you’re grieving the loss of emotional certainty in regard to how love “should” feel.
It’s like how-love-should-feel has died. Not that your ability to love has died, by your ability to “love” that way: intensely, all the time, etc.
I am looking forward to reading your thought- feelings about all of this.
𤢠đ¨ 𤏠đ˘ đ âşď¸ đą đĄ (feeeelings, oh, oh, oh fèeèeeeeeelings)
Anita
April 25, 2026 at 4:59 pm #457297
anitaParticipantHey Confused (using the computer, so no emojis showing up)
Here is what Copilot has to say about your last two messages:
Confused is struggling with anxiety, emotional dependence, and distorted expectations about what love is âsupposedâ to feel like. He believes that if he doesnât constantly miss his girlfriend, panic at the thought of losing her, or feel intense longing, then something must be wrong with the relationship â a belief he picked up from social media and friends. Because of this, he interprets normal emotional fluctuations as signs of doom.
He also admits he has relied on relationships to complete him, which makes him confused when he doesnât feel constant intensity. His mind then jumps to catastrophic predictions (âweâll be awkward,â âweâll be bored,â âit will be badâ), which is classic anxiety â not truth.
The feeling that the relationship is âfakeâ or ânot realâ is also a common symptom of anxiety and emotional overwhelm, not a sign that the relationship is actually wrong. He cries because heâs scared, confused, and overwhelmed â not because he doesnât care. His emotions are tangled, and heâs interpreting normal variations in closeness as signs of failure.
Answers to his questions:
1) âIf I donât miss her or panic about losing her, what remains?â-
What remains is the real relationship â the calm, steady part that isnât fueled by fear. Love doesnât have to feel like panic to be real. Panic is anxiety, not love.
2) âWhy do I cry?â-
You cry because youâre overwhelmed and scared that your feelings donât match what you think they âshouldâ be. Youâre grieving the loss of certainty, not the loss of love.
* What âgrieving the loss of certaintyâ really means: When someone has always believed that love must feel a certain way â intense, dramatic, full of longing, fear, and emotional highs â that belief becomes a kind of emotional anchor. It gives them a sense of certainty: âIf I panic when I think of losing her, that means I love her.â âIf I miss her constantly, the relationship is real.â âIf I feel intense emotions, everything is okay.â
These beliefs feel safe because theyâre familiar. They create a predictable emotional world.
But when Confused suddenly doesnât feel those intense emotions, he loses that sense of certainty. His old ârulesâ for what love should feel like no longer work. And that loss â the loss of the old emotional map â is painful. Itâs like the ground under his feet shifted.
When certainty disappears, the mind reacts with fear, confusion, sadness, a sense of âsomething is wrongâ, a feeling of being unanchored. This is why he cries.
Heâs grieving the loss of the old emotional pattern â the one that told him: âLove = intensity, panic, longing.â Now that heâs not feeling those things, he feels lost.
In one sentence: Heâs grieving the loss of the emotional certainty he used to rely on â the belief that love must feel intense and dramatic â and without that old framework, he feels scared and ungrounded.
3) âWhy do I feel bad when she says sheâll visit?â-
Because anxiety jumps ahead and predicts disaster. Your mind is trying to protect you by imagining the worst, even though those predictions arenât based on reality.
4) âWhy does the relationship feel fake or imaginary sometimes?â-
This is a very common anxiety symptom called derealization â when fear and pressure make things feel unreal. It doesnât mean the relationship is fake. It means youâre overwhelmed.
April 25, 2026 at 12:57 pm #457290
anitaParticipantB Back in a few hours
April 25, 2026 at 10:26 am #457285
anitaParticipantBringing this thread of almost 5 years ago back 2 page 1 of list of topics for a later study
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