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Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita and Peter
Thank you both for sharing! ❤️
It is fascinating to learn that other people are connecting compassion with history. I have started to do that too in more recent years. I think about the difficulties that people had to deal with in different time periods.
I would agree with you Peter. ❤️
I think I’m just a different kind of person. I grew up emotionally numbing and not feeling emotions. I have this off switch where I can just choose to turn them off when they get too overwhelming.
I had to learn in therapy to tolerate the intensity of my emotions to even feel them. The therapist taught me to do this by connecting to the experience.
So I never really developed the habit of analysing my emotions, thoughts or the experience.
That is not to say that I don’t have automatic negative thoughts, because I do sometimes.
I have also experienced automatic negative thoughts being really distressing.
To answer your question Anita. I recognise them creeping in when I notice my thoughts becoming more negative.
I don’t know if eradicating these thoughts is possible. I know that it is possible to reduce the frequency in a number of ways.
I have learned to see these thoughts as a habit and a recording of my trauma. I try to think who they remind me of. I find it easier to deal with by not identifying with them as my thoughts. I tend to think of my controlled and conscious thoughts as my own.
I see it as a form of self-abuse and try to assess the reality of automatic negative thoughts. It helps me to counter them, but takes a lot of practice. I also don’t like getting too upset with my health issues because stress makes it worse and of course having a child, I cannot take care of him to the best of my ability if I am upset. Meditation was really helpful for me because it taught me to still my mind and accept the presence of all thoughts without being disturbed by them. It was not easy to learn to do though and took a lot of time. I was lucky in that I had a skilled meditator who was able to teach me and figure out ways to overcome some of the challenges that my mental health issues posed. Of course, practicing self-compassion is helpful too. I found that being able to counter negative thoughts was largely dictated by self-compassion.
It is a really unique and challenging process to learn to step back from emotions whilst remaining connected to them.
Well done on countering the negative thoughts Anita! Rock on girl! ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Miss Duchess
You did a really great job of considering situation and what you would do differently.
There are some more steps to forgiving someone. Understanding them and empathising with them.
I think that you were spot on when you said that she was taking her difficulties out on you.
Ah so she was an international student. Was she staying up late to talk to friends and family back home?
It was unfortunate that you were placed with an international student. Do you think there might have been some cultural differences?
I’m sorry that you had this experience. It is difficult to live in such an unfriendly environment.
I would think that she would have difficulties with the living situation too. It must have been hard for her being across the world from her friends and family, living with someone that she was incompatible with. What do you think?
I can understand that it hurts feeling like you missed out on an experience. There is a saying that comparison is the thief of joy. That is not to say you should find joy in a difficult situation. Just that you cannot change the past, but you can have some good experiences and develop new friendships now.
It is good to hear that you have some close friends, but a shame to hear that you don’t live near them. I’m sorry to hear that you are feeling lonely. It might be worth making an effort to meet some new people and try to make some friends whilst you stay there. Perhaps there are some clubs that interest you? Or hobbies that you enjoy?
Alessa
ParticipantHi Miss Duchess
Is it okay if I call you that?
First of all I want to say congratulations on graduating!
I’m sorry to hear that you had a difficult room mate in college. It is not easy living with people sometimes. Unfortunately, her behaviour is pretty common in that age group. It must have been hard having your sleep disturbed when you were just interested in focusing on your studies. I’m sorry to hear that your concerns weren’t taken seriously when you asked for help.
Forgiveness can look different to different people. I like to try my best to learn from situations, that way I can put them behind me. Do you think there are any ways that you could handle the situation differently?
April 6, 2025 at 10:16 am in reply to: The Betrayal We Buried: Healing Through Truth & Connection #444668Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita
I’m so sorry that you went through all of that abuse. That your mother did these things is unconscionable. I’m sorry to say that is a form of sexual abuse.
At some point, before you can remember I imagine that you might have tried like any child. But the response you would have received would have been so unsafe. You stopped trying and tried your best not to aggravate her out of fear.
Even young children have a drive for autonomy. My son is not yet a year and a half old. He holds his own cups. Takes off his own socks and shoes. Holds his own spoon. Wipes his own face. Helps me to dress him by pushing and pulling at the right places. He runs, plays fetch with the dog is learning to play soccer and is almost swimming with floaties.
You were so heavily controlled. No wonder you value your freedom in freestyle dance. We all deserve freedom.
You didn’t deserve the abuse you endured. I’m glad that you survived it. You make the world a better place! ❤️
April 5, 2025 at 3:29 pm in reply to: The Betrayal We Buried: Healing Through Truth & Connection #444661Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, feelings, experiences and insights! I’m glad to hear you are okay and I miss speaking to you too. ❤️
I think that the advice about healing is very beneficial.
I’m glad that you are on the road of healing and recovery. You deserve it after everything you have been through.
It is hard to change things that are so deep rooted at such a young age. Raising my son I can’t help but consider all of my words and the ways in which it might affect him.
With love I say it is the nature of children to disobey their parents. They are exploring the world. They don’t know any better. And sometimes they do, but their self-control isn’t developed yet. Negative attention is still attention and there are many tantalising things that might seem worth chancing being chastised.
Raising a child is like training a puppy. You cannot expect anything young to take in a huge amount of information in one go. It takes training little by little, so as not to overwhelm and encourage retention of information. This means being patient and letting some things slide. Understanding that they will learn more as they get older.
Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita and Peter
I’m okay thanks. Just been busy and a bit tired.
How are you?
Thank you both for the thoughts and quotes about prayers! 🙏
Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita and Peter
I just wanted to say that I love the conversation that is happening! ❤️
I haven’t had much time to write because of my studies recently. I have been busy with group projects and exams.
I hope to find a chance to write some this week. 🙏
Both of you keep being awesome! 😄
Alessa
ParticipantI’m a fan of Krishnamurti myself. I do find value in these things, but I think it is important to take these things with a pinch of salt and understand that everyone is different, has their own unique journey and their are many ways to skin a cat.
Regarding processing betrayal. Addressing the trauma can be helpful, and so can detaching from the narrative. Personally, forgiveness was helpful for me and even then I’m not 100% there. Will I ever be? I don’t know. Science believes no, but I remain hopeful and at peace with the situation either way.
The truth of the matter is that the past does shape who we are today. Habits are deeply engrained and take a lot of effort to retrain. We all have our unique quirks and I do believe that is okay. Simply the nature of being human.
Alessa
ParticipantHi Everyone
I think the difficulty with severe abuse is that it causes structural issues – brain damage as well as deregulating the nervous system. It is not just that there is attachment. If only it were as simple as attachment.
I truly don’t believe that language is the issue. As I pointed out infants have a full grasp of language at 18 months, they even have memories that last for 9 months at that stage. Language is not the problem. Memory is not the problem. Sense of self is a cornerstone of child development and an infant doesn’t have much of one. It doesn’t develop until the tween years. One of the difficulties severe trauma causes is impairment of sense of self.
Children have total reliance on their caregivers. From a young age their parents define what is right and wrong for them. What is dangerous, what is safe. Reinforcing behaviours that the parents value. The child experiences emotional attunement towards their caregiver. There is a huge amount of control parents have over their children and that is why parental abuse is so damaging.
People with severe trauma have to deal with unpleasant experiences of trauma re-emerging. Learning to accept it, let it happen and let it pass. That is the reality of dealing with these issues. Treating ourselves with compassion when these difficulties occur is vital.
Perhaps I’m approaching this with the knowledge of an infant that developed PTSD at 4 years old. I was never a happy child. I simply did my best to cope with my environment. Children experience the same difficulties that adults can if they are exposed to the same traumatic environment. I honestly don’t see much difference between adults and children. More understanding of the world. More experience and the ability to choose what we would like to do with our lives. Meta cognition as well realise that we do have the ability to shape our own minds.
Alessa
ParticipantOh and I wanted to add. Your mother was wrong. It is a shame that she didn’t see you for the sweet and special little girl/ woman you are.
I’m happy that you are discovering the truth of your loving nature! ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita
Please don’t worry, you don’t need to change anything for me. I’m honestly okay. I know that you are here to support me as well and I really appreciate that! 😊
I don’t think it’s crazy at all. From my perspective, I have thought I hope that my pain is worth it, because the alternative is that it is that it is senseless…
I like lol. I have a funny story about lol. My aunt didn’t know what it meant and thought it meant lots of love. She wrote it at the end of all of her messages. A lot of them came across as rather inappropriate. 😂
I’m glad you feel heard and that the tone in my first message was helpful. I worried it might not be. It was just the ptsd trigger.
Yes, the bond a child has for their parent is special. It is one of the hardest things I ever had to do, walk away from my mother because of the abuse when I loved her. It is an unconditional kind of love, but it does not mean that unconditional suffering should go hand in hand with that.
It doesn’t hurt anymore. However, there is a longing that doesn’t go away for that sweetness I never truly experienced. As you put it so well. A hole that will never be filled unless I do for myself.
Alessa
ParticipantHi Peter
Thank you for the wonderful quotes! It always makes me wonder when people say that children are naturally happy. I feel like happy is the wrong word for it. I do know what they mean though.
I feel like children focus naturally on their desires. They are just very immediate. It is very interesting to learn that by 18 months old they fully understand language but just lack the physical co-ordination to talk. Yes, a child is happy when they get what they want. The needs of a child are just very simple. To learn, to explore, to exercise, to cuddle, to have fun, to play, to touch, to taste, to eat, to drink, to poop, to vocalise, to express, to move, to cry, to share, to love.
Even at a young age they are learning the rules of the universe. The rules of their parents. The laws of physics. The rules of nature.
And as wondrous as things are. The things that they want the most are simply things that get them attention. The thing that they are not supposed to touch. The thing that makes mummy and/ or daddy smile and praise them.
Toddlers have this wonderful dichotomy. A limited understanding and concern for their survival. Carefully, lowering oneself from the couch. Walking on grass instead of the path, because ow falling is sore. At the same time, they will try and murder themselves by throwing themselves head first off the couch to see if you will catch them. 😂
A love of being self-sufficient. Okay, if it’s fun and I really do need your help please do help me climb things. I just don’t want to do what I don’t want to do. And I want to do what I want to do while you cheer me on… unless I need help… and it’s fun… or it hurts. Otherwise please don’t interfere. Please read me this book.
Banter aside, this approach has been working for me. Dropping things. Thank you for the reminder and the opportunity to reflect. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Mollie
Congratulations on your degree! It does sound like you’ve been having a rough go of it for a few years now. You are in desperate need a break! It sounds like university finishing was a bit of a fresh start with a lot of hope. And you dream of a fresh start again now with hope.
An approach that I like is making things that I want happen! Planning fun experiences. Eating yummy food.
It sounds like you made a decision that is helpful for you to end the job that is making you feel so unhappy. I hope that studying goes well. Are you planning on working whilst doing this?
For sure, it can be lonely living alone when your friends aren’t living close by or as available as you would like. Studying I’m sure will let you meet some nice people.
It sounds like things are better with your family now?
I like that you are planning on standing up for yourself with the ex. You go girl! 💪❤️
I wonder is there anything that you would love to do that is different from what you would normally do? I’m not sure if you are someone who likes a little pampering? I have a girls night routine for myself. It can be unique to you. I like fancy chocolate, some wine and playing video games. Honestly, anything that makes your heart sing. What does make your heart happy? 🎶
Alessa
ParticipantHi Devesh Tiwaro
Yes, it is important to honour your needs if things aren’t working between you both. Have you tried to break up with her before?
I don’t believe that there is a way for this to end without her being upset because she cares about you, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen because it sounds like you are pretty sure about your desire to end the relationship.
Do you live together? Or separately? Discussing things in person can be beneficial although it is upsetting and stressful for you both, it shows care and respect for her and the seven year relationship you have had and offers closure. There are other ways to end a relationship. Phone call, text and ghosting are some options. Whilst less stressful for you, the options are more progressively more stressful for her because of the lack of respect. If you feel extremely stressed or afraid of her reaction, or feel like you are unable to leave her because you care about how upset she is during an in person conversation it might be worth considering one of these options.
It might be helpful to think about what you might want to say and of course, if she behaves disrespectfully towards you, it might be a good idea to end the conversation and protect yourself.
Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita
Thank you for your kind words! ❤️
It is hard to talk about these things sometimes. But I do care and I am here for you. I just needed some time to decompress because our trauma is so similar, I get ptsd triggers sometimes. I wanted to be fully present when writing to you so I can show up for you in a thoughtful way.
I’m glad that eating helped you to feel a little better when things are difficult at the moment.
Please let me know if anything is ever not helpful.
Thank you for the book recommendation! I will definitely get it. I didn’t know the background for why the book was made. That is a beautiful reason, thank you for sharing it. 😊
You have so much empathy for people. I think that is a beautiful thing.
I’m sorry to say that I don’t feel sad for your mother. I care that you are suffering, worrying about her and that you suffered at her hands and she falsely blamed you for it. ❤️
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