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Alessa
ParticipantHi Tee
I think what Anita is trying to say is that she chose her words carefully.
She doesn’t remember if it was both of us, or if it was me.
She is being honest. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantPerhaps you could both work together to find an agreeable compromise? ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantAnita, if Tee is willing to apologize too? Are you willing to start first? ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Tee and Anita
I have a suggestion. Please feel free to take it as you will.
How about a compromise? That is what happens in a healthy conflict, is it not?
Anita has indicated that she is willing to compromise.
Tee are you? ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantIt should not be Yana that has to tell people to stop arguing. 🤷♀️
Alessa
ParticipantThank you for your understanding and kindness Tee! ❤️
I was wondering why you chose to defend yourself instead of walking away from the conversation when you saw that it might not be fruitful? ❤️
I am willing to prioritize other things for the moment. My own self-care for example.
It feels to me like you keep suggesting to me that everything is about Anita for me. I don’t understand why it might be being suggested? I don’t feel that way. ❤️
I don’t want to discuss my feelings deeply in that kind of environment because it is really stressful for me. It has been going on for days and now I have to take a break and do some self-care before revisiting things. Also, I believe that Anita might have been distracted from my conversation because of the intensity of her conversation with you.❤️
My culture is very big on apologies, like Canadians. It is something that I generally expect and a boundary that I set with people in conflict.
I didn’t expect this to be resolved very quickly given that it usually takes a while for Anita to reflect and apologize. I try to have realistic expectations of people.
I guess that my perspective on conflict where someone hasn’t apologized yet is that we can meet our own needs and others can meet our needs. It doesn’t have to be the person that hurt us at the time.
I did defend myself. I don’t like to do it strongly personally. It makes me feel bad when I hurt others, even in an argument. Even when they have hurt me. I’m a very principled person.
She has C-PTSD. I wasn’t talking about the most recent conflict. In the past, I have been more reactive, defensive and critical during arguments. She was afraid of me. I imagine that in conflict those memories and fears might creep in. By being consistently kind, perhaps she might see me in a different way?
I know that I have tried my best in this recent conflict.
Usually, moderators just tell people to stop being rude, delete comments and call it a day, possibly do 24 hour bans. I’ve never seen a moderation team handle things in the way they do here. It’s a little strange to me.
I mean, I don’t think the conflict on this thread has been respectful. I reported it for moderation and it was decided that it was respectful enough unless someone asks for something to change. It is a little bizarre to me. Not the first time I have seen moderators taking a passive approach. I just feel more comfortable in communities with more active moderation approaches.
I would agree that I potentially tried too much. I have a habit of doing that for people and I feel like others rarely do the same thing for me. I don’t know how to reconcile that. The idea does make me sad that I try harder for others than I do for myself. I need to work on things being more even. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi James
Interestingly, I came across this in an anime yesterday.
The subconscious moves it before we even think of it.
Alessa
Participant*precedence
Alessa
ParticipantHi Tee
Hmm I don’t really understand how you reach some of the conclusions. It is probably my autism that is getting in the way of that again.
I worried that previous conflicts with Anita might make it difficult for her to trust me in conflict. I wanted to show her my nature and that I’m not trying to hurt her. ❤️
I find it easier to engage with someone from a gentle place. I have included my feelings about the conflict to Anita in small chunks, so as not to overwhelm. Trying to gently build an understanding of my perspective. Perhaps it might be because I have autism and C-PTSD. I feel like I might understand some of the difficulties. Not that Tourette’s and ADHD are the same. But there are things about neurodivergence that is easy to misunderstand especially in conflict especially for people might not be familiar with it. ❤️
I’m a very direct person and not very observant. That can be a bit intense during conflict. I had also never really considered what people might be feeling might be feeling for most of my life. I purely relied on them telling me. It is only having a baby that can’t communicate that has lead me to try to work harder at understanding non-verbal cues and interpret what people might feel. I’ve been learning and working very hard on how I come across and present myself in conflict. ❤️
I know that because of my C-PTSD I get afraid in conflict, even watching it between two people. I don’t mean this in a bad way Tee. But I don’t know how you respond in conflict because this is the first time I’m seeing you in a conflict. A lot of the time you have been defending yourself quite strongly. I felt afraid, not knowing how you might react to me. If that makes sense? ❤️
It was just a fear. Not reality. ❤️
Hmm well that is another priority I have that takes higher presidense over my need for things to be calmer. I care about being supportive, more than about calming down the conflict if that makes sense?
I feel like being alone in these things and not having your needs met would be quite challenging. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Tee
Hi Tee
I feel like you might be picking up on a value I have linked to fairness. Equity.
It may not seem that important to you, but it was important for me to explore how my neurodivergence affected conflict.
I worry about talking about that post and how it affected me. I know that it was difficult for you. I feel like your feelings about how you were affected are more important to me than mine. How do you feel about the post when it comes to yourself? ❤️
I am a different person to you, with a different perspective. It doesn’t mean that anyone’s perspective is any less valid. Your pain is valid.
I don’t want to undercut your feelings when talking to you. ❤️You and I, simply have different priorities, perspectives, needs and conflict styles. That is not to say that one is more valid than the other. That is not true, we are just different people.
To me, sad is a kind of hurt. I’m sorry for making you sad. You don’t need to worry about me. I will be okay. ❤️
I’m sorry you feel like I’m enabling Anita by not discussing my feelings right now. I disagree, I’m simply prioritising my own needs.
I don’t want to discuss my needs in a heated environment, I don’t feel like that is healthy for me. I would prefer to focus on deescalation and creating a calmer healthy environment first.
I don’t like having a stressful environment. Can I cope with it? Yes, but it is uncomfortable for me. I would prefer wait to discuss my feelings when the situation is calmer, I believe that they will be received better then. I will be less stressed and be better equipped to handle the conversation in a healthy way. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Yana
You are not weak. You are doing your best! I think that it is important to take care of yourself. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Everyone
It seemed like Anita was interested in learning more about the four horsemen. Criticism, Contempt, Stonewalling and Defensiveness.
Basically these are unhealthy communication patterns that hurt people and show that communication is breaking down.
It can help foster communication to try communicating without these behaviours. Not an easy thing during a conflict. All people can do is try their best. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Tee
You are a good person and definitely not a villain. I understand why this conflict has been so painful and difficult for you. ❤️
But I think there has been a misunderstanding. I wasn’t trying to accommodate anyone by setting a boundary. That boundary was for me. ❤️
I have been researching how to handle group conflict in healthy ways.
From what I’ve seen there only really seem to be two answers. 1) Stay out of it and let people sort it out themselves. 2) Speak to both parties individually, support them, but don’t speak badly about the other person. I am open to hearing other suggestions, if anyone them. ❤️
Tourette’s and ADHD are neurodevelopmental disorders. The brain is wired differently.
I was simply trying to encourage Anita to discuss difficulties during conflict that occur with these conditions. I am curious because I don’t know much about the conditions and I wondered if there were any issues that might not be intuitively understood by others.
I would encourage you to talk to me directly if you feel hurt about something I have done. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Brandy
I understand why you feel so frustrated. The conflict doesn’t sit well with me either. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Everyone
I want to thank Lucidity for sharing such an excellent resource for discussing conflict! ❤️
I hope it is okay to share something that I learned along my travels? It is called the four horsemen. Dramatic name I know. Criticism, Contempt, Defensiveness and Stonewalling. ❤️
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