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February 19, 2025 at 5:00 am #442965
Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
I’m happy to read your message and thank you again for your encouragement š¤
I’m locking all the beautiful advice & your kind
words in my heart.Have a lovely day & I’m hoping to come back one day with some great news š
Take care! xxxx
February 18, 2025 at 2:46 pm #442958Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you so much for both of your messages. You adressed everything in such a compassionate and loving way that it really touched me so deep ā¤ļø
I really don’t know where I would be if not you taking care of me. It felt like you were holding my hand while I was going through the storm of emotions. So my thank you is just a very little I can do for you now š¤
I still need to navigate the life at home so that another bad brake down doesn’t lead me to the dark path again…
I know now that you’re here so it should be different this time…
I’ll also try to apply all the advice you gave me regarding the self care and boundaries. I really struggle to do that at the moment. But now I know that someone in this world cares about me and that I can give this life another chance š
And I’ll keep my eyes open regarding the spider š· probably once he realises that nothing is the same anymore and that he can’t treat me like that again…he’ll give up & try to catch another fly šŖ°
Thank you for being with me on this journey Anita
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And I hope that we both find inner peace and happiness despite missing out on being loved and appreciated in the past āØļøBig big hug š¤ to you and once again thank you for all you’ve done for me! ā¤ļø
Have a good evening and take a good care of yourself!
February 18, 2025 at 7:24 am #442938Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for your understanding. Yes, I wish that I can spot the spider very quickly and avoid their web as soon as possible without any emotional damage. I’m glad you are here to guide me with that š
I can see that he keeps writing messages to me now and is contemplating to meet me very soon. All the smiley emoticons are back too…
Internally, like you said Anita, it is not easy for me to move on from him right now. But I really hope that one day I will be able to escape from that emotional prison and feel free and happy with a decent, honest and humble human.
Thank you Anita for your constant presence. I enjoy talking to you and I wish that this suffering will stop soon. And that one day I can come back with good news and something positive to say š
Have a lovely morning & talk to you soon š
February 17, 2025 at 2:21 pm #442921Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for saying that again and believing in me š I’m an old soul, maybe too old school for this modern world. Maybe the values we hold are invisible or not appreciated anymore by many men or people in general.
Maybe that was another reason why this man got my attention. He seemed to want the same life as me, presenting similar values. But now you’re helping me to see that it all might be just a spider web š·šø
For me you are a beautiful soul too with lots of love, understanding and compassion.
Enjoy your evening Anita
Talk to you tomorrow šFebruary 17, 2025 at 12:34 pm #442916Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
You’re right Anita. What feels good isn’t always what’s best for us. It felt good to receive the message as I did not want to stop all the contact without having a closure. I always want to make the things right on my part (not just with him but with all my interractions with people). And especially with people I care about.
When I said that I wanted my answers, I meant that I wanted to know why he got so upset that day and if I really caused him some distress, I did not want to end it on that negative note.
He unblocked me on the other media today and said that he felt a lot of pain last week and prays for the peace and joy again. Can you believe that Anita?
Him: “Hi Dafne, yes with time and meditation peace comes back, with confidence too šš š«”
Him: “I wrote to you on WhatsApp, I hope peace returns, but I was in too much pain last week, š
Me: “Hi, we all were in pain last week…my mother as well š« I pray for harmony & joy in our hearts š”
Him: “I am aware that we have all had pain, I felt like I was a liar or a dreamer which is not the case, I hope that we find peace and trust between us, I would like to introduce you soon to the people with whom I work.”
Him: “in relation to my work last Tuesday it was very important, and it is working, I will show you the writings š how was your day?
Me: “the day was a bit hard. I feel tired…”
Him: “there is still flu at this time…take care to rest. I hope we’ll be in good health.”
So now Anita it all seems back to normal…
He expressed his feelings and wants to carry on but somehow I don’t feel like it anymore. The trust is gone and the fear to be blocked again creeps in like the fog.
And I know that I can’t trust the spider again as he already showed his true colors last week.
I’m not questioning about his project anymore and just said that I feel tired now. I don’t feel the same like before.
Would you continue replying to his messages? What if he suggests a meeting?
It is true Anita that he doesn’t have many friends. I asked why before. He told me that had many before but only if there was a good time but once he needed something or real life came, all friends disappeared or were not that helpful. So he prefers to have 1 or 2 friends but of quality. But it looks like he gets offended very easily without really discussing things in a calm manner…
Anita, I think that my self esteem is based on my belief that I am less because I do not have the family I always dreamed of. And my lack of ability to choose the romantic partner for life? And also to quickly recognise the spider and say no! š
I don’t know how you got so strong and overcame those feelings of being not enough? I feel really proud of you š¤ I was working on myself as much as I could so I don’t feel like a victim all the time. But no strategy that I’ve tried is working.
What else can I do for my self-care? And for my self confidence despite what has happened in my childhood?
And now there is you who helps me in a gentle, yet assertive way to not fall too deep down ā¤ļø Thank you again Anita…
I feel there is not enough thank you for what you’re doing for me š
Hope to hear from you soon…
Have a beautiful day Anita š
February 16, 2025 at 2:03 pm #442891Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for your fast reply! I understand completely and please don’t force yourself to reply tonight. The rest can wait till tomorrow and he was so merciless leaving me without any word for those past days…he can wait too…
So I won’t say anything right and reply tomorrow as I might say the wrong thing to him…
Have a peaceful evening š
Talk to you tomorrow Anita š¤
February 16, 2025 at 1:04 pm #442887Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for this insightful summary š It really seems that he is busy with both projects at the same time! Showing me the property ads (without directly asking for help) could be his way of making me take a loan (but voluntarily).
It did not happen so he was waiting…And now the spider is back!
I feel relieved that he replied and I can have some answers but there is no apology whatsoever. And I’m still blocked on the other media.
He said that he is sad that we cannot understand each other but he doesn’t want this to end.
His further reply: “But I work in a team, it is linked to politics, I know that it is an atypical job, but I also have my food business on the side (he told me before that it was only admin work), and I have a hard time with the successive discouragements between you and your mother. I want your happiness and your security, but I can’t do more, abandoning what I do is not smart given the people involved.”
My reply: “I also feel sad about that. Please know that our intention was not to discourage you but actually to motivate you”
Him: “I didn’t feel this as encouragement but rather the opposite, because for both of you a successful deal in 1 month. In UK, at the institutional level, it takes us several months to get an appointment. As I told you, on the Italian side, in 4 months almost everything is ready. We are looking to do business in order to be part of the stores and really earn by investing in the joint venture, otherwise it is the investors who will earn more than us. I hope we will keep in touch, I wish you a lot of good and you know, I am sad about this situation.”
Me: “Life is not always easy. Some projects need more time. That’s true. But we need to learn to communicate better for the next time so we do not hurt each other by sudden disappearance or lack of understanding that.”
Do you agree with me?
Him:”I agree with you, but I am neither a dreamer, nor a liar, nor irresponsible, I give myself the means to go all the way, the project for two, family life is the most beautiful, but we must not give up what we do. I regret that you did not meet my friend who is a specialist in Asia, my partner in the UK who is linked to cinema or the Italian businessman who did a great job. But I introduced you to other friends who are jealous, they did not even call me for New Year’s Day. They are not people in this kind of business capable of talking, it was a mistake to introduce them to you, instead of reassuring you they put stress on you, I would not have done it”
That’s it Anita…I did not continue replying to this message as I don’t really know what else can I say? Those are his best friends and now he thinks that. I can’t say anything about them as I don’t know them that well. He said some nice words about the beauty of a family life but there is nothing new…
What else shall I say? And is it wise to continue texting him without him unblocking me on the other media?
What do you think of this whole situation now Anita?
I did not really expect him to reply but I’m glad you supported me with the choice I’ve made. And I’ll be even more careful right now as like you said he still might be a spider!
It feels a little bit like a plot from a dark movie now.
I can’t wait to read you Anita š
I’ll wait for your suggestions so I don’t make the same mistake like last time š«¢š
Have a good day! And thank you again for being here with me and not leaving me by myself š
February 16, 2025 at 9:30 am #442883Dafne
ParticipantThank you Anita! I’m waiting for your message š
February 16, 2025 at 9:10 am #442881Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
That’s really kind of you to say that š¤ just to let you know that I’ve sent him the text and waiting now for his reply…
Talk to you soon… āØļøš
February 15, 2025 at 1:16 pm #442876Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for always lifting me up! Your encouragement keeps me going šš¤
The explanation you provided is brilliant. I can understand myself and my reactions more clearly now. You helped me to recognise those unhealthy patterns and hopefully avoid them in my future decisions.
Some men are so good at playing their game and it is not always easy to recognise the spider. This man was quite difficult to see through and recognise his true intentions but you did a fantastic job at peeling the layers of off his fantasy world and taking it for what it is now.
I am trying to convince myself to believe that he is not a spider but I’ll have my sure answer tomorrow.
I’m starting to believe now that if he is a loving person, he would not block me. And normally an old school gentleman I was hoping for, would not do that after questioning him or even after a heated argument.
But let’s see if he has any decency left and shows some compassion after behaving in such a dreadful manner. After reading your wise words, I can understand that there is no excuse for him, even if he felt that he can’t be the man he was hoping to be for me. He would still cherish the friendship we have and not leave me like that.
I’ll keep you posted once I receive a reply from him.
For now I’m gonna wish you a very good day.
I feel that we both can understand each others pain as we both suffered as someone’s daughters. We somehow reconnected on this forum to give eachother the understanding and wings to fly that we never got from our families.
Anita, even if we’re far away, thank you so much for making me feel less lonely š
Take care and talk to you soon xx
Warm greetings š¤šš»
February 15, 2025 at 1:55 am #442871Dafne
ParticipantThank you Anita! Happy Valentine to you too š š š
I’m looking forward to your message. Have a good rest šFebruary 14, 2025 at 2:39 pm #442866Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you so much! š¤ that’s a beautiful way to receive some caring words on this day of love. I don’t know if you celebrate it Anita but for me it is a day not just for the people ‘in love’ but also for everyone else who shows those acts of kindness and love towards another human being. And I deeply appreciate that…
I don’t know where I would be today if not for your support and giving me hope for a better tomorrow.
You’re right. I am a lost soul who attracted another lost soul. Some say that it is a matter of vibrations and how you feel about yourself and your life. And sometimes even the kindest, most loving women end up with abusers, addicts and controlers as husbands. And women who do not care or even neglect their husbands, end up with the most kind and understanding souls. I don’t really understand that dynamic Anita…
But I agree with you and somehow I wish (even if with my last strenght) to brake free and find a place for myself where I can feel safe and not to walk on eggshels anymore. I want to try to brake those chains and move on from this dreadful stagnation but don’t really know where to start…
I just want to be able to believe someone when they tell me they care about me and they’ll always be there for me. That men seemed to be dependable and felt like an anchor for a while and then in the most unexpected manner turned to be so insensitive to my concerns.
And you’re right Anita all was fine until we started to question his project and his credibility (in person or by text – probably same results).
Maybe the project really exists but will take a long time and he was afraid that I will leave him knowing that. But still he should be honest about it.
I don’t know if he would accept any therapy or priest but he told me that the only thing that will make him feel better in life was seeing me happy and creating home with me. Empty words?
I forgot to mention to you that this man was consistent in courting me. He contacted me first. He showed that he liked me. He accepted to start with a friendship. He was different to men I knew before, who chased the physical intimacy first or were hot and cold or disappeared completely. They only created a heartache for me as I blamed myself or tried to revive the connection.
Maybe that’s the reason it is so hard for me to let go of that friendship? At the beginning I was very afraid of that new dynamic with him as I was used to meeting people who were not reliable or emotionally unavailable. If Iām being really honest with myself, I got even suspicious of why he was so available and nice to me.
But now once he’s gone I miss that consistency. And I feel that somehow I sabotaged myself…
Feeling loved and safe seems like a dream that is so far away…
I am mourning my childhood almost everyday and weeping for my lack of loving family. I don’t know how to keep living with this reality. It’s incredibly painful for me to have dreams and aspirations in life when I see no hope.
And now he is gone too…
But I will try to send your text over the weekend and see how it goes. Thank you Anita for writing this thoutful suggestion.
If I did not read your text, I would only write: ‘Hi, can we talk? I don’t want things to end this way’ Would that be ok too Anita?
Or maybe first send him the short version and if he replies then your version?
Thank you Anita for being here š I do not want to be a burden for too long. This weekend I wish to find the answers and the peace that they hopefully bring to me š
Have a lovely evening Anita
And lots of hugs to you! š«š¤
February 14, 2025 at 4:14 am #442840Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for that quick insight. Yes, I remember him mentioning to me knowing a priest who is an exorcist too. Probably he already helped him before. And also the same priest gave him first holy communion at the very late age. His Italian parents gave him a choice to do it later.
The priest might be right as I also felt that by trying to contacting him, it will also help me to find the peace of mind as I wish for a better ending or no ending at all (rather a temporary brake till he follows with his promises).
Have a good day Anita
Hope to hear more from you whenever you can ā¤ļøFebruary 13, 2025 at 2:18 pm #442835Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
I am really touched by your message and appreciate it with my whole heart š
Your words of kindness and consolation helped me see a little light in the tunnel. And also to make me feel less guilty about asking him those questions. I think your questions were even more specific and would help me figure out the truth much sooner.
You’re so right that he had no basic business knowledge and pretended to be and do more than he normally did.
If he told me the truth from the start that he is a struggling artist working on a project that might take a long time (but is willing to find another work meanwhile till his project brings profits) then I would understand and support him and maybe even share the costs of bying a home together (but after marriage). But his evasiveness kept me questioning more and more. Isn’t it?
My only regret now is asking him those business questions by text. Maybe talking in person would not lead to such a drastic measures and blocking me Anita? Maybe we could have had a peaceful talk and decided to remain friends?
The hard thing for me is to move on and know how to live peacefully. The spider is gone but why do I feel so hearbroken š?
I had no idea that he can show me this strong emotional reaction and just block me (without further discussion and letting me reply to him).
I was thinking a lot today and somehow could not find the peace of mind that I was hoping to feel. I decided to go to the church and encountered a priest who told me that I look troubled and asked if he can help.
I told him of what has happened to me. I told him about you and your support. He was very pleased to know that you help me in this devastating situation.
He also agreed with most things we have said about him before but added some surprising insights. He told me that we need to show compassion towards this lost soul and that probably he was ashamed of his current situation and couldn’t deal with rejection and more questions. He felt lost, helpless and knew that he will lose me sooner or later because there won’t be any results in sight but he was afraid to say so.
The priest suggested that this man might struggle with mental issues, stress and a lot of pressure to perform in order to impress me. And it is a better idea to call him and see if everything is ok. To make sure that there is no more hurt feelings between us. Only then we will achieve the peace of mind. Is that something you would agree with Anita?
I somehow feel that I need to fix it and have a peaceful ending š I feel awafeul right now…I guess like that fly from your poem…
I am afraid that he got a nervous brakedown or planned something bad for himself. He seemed to be depressed. Indeed, he got rejected before and apparently got devastated once and might not manage it another time. I don’t want to be another reason for him to do something silly š
What do you think Anita? Shall I give it a try and call him? (unless he blocked me on the phone too). But just to say to him how I felt and that I want a peaceful feelings between us and not anger or bitterness (even if we won’t be together).
Most of the time he treated me well and was always on time and thoughtful. He bought me some little gifts and I always prepared some home cooked treats for him in return. He helped me to escape that dreadful darkness I faced in my household. It somehow felt better and softer to be with him at times. It felt like I have a friend. That platonic connection seemed to be a blessing from Heaven.The only problem was the lack of transparency (or rather his fear that I might not like to see him the way he was – not really ready to get married). He tried to create a picture perfect image of himself so someone would love him.
What should I do Anita? And in case you agree with the priest that it is ok to contact him, what would you say to him without sounding desperate or loosing the dignity?
My heart is saying that the priest might be right on that spiritual attachment thing…
Anita, thank you for your patience, efforts, and guidance in those past days. I’m so grateful you’re a part of my life journey. Thank you for being so committed to supporting me.
It means a lot to me that you take from your time to help me. Thank you so much, and I hope to return the favour someday…
I’m looking forward to hearing from you soon. I hope this will help us to have more answers š
Warm greetings š¤
Have a good day Anita! šøFebruary 12, 2025 at 12:28 pm #442803Dafne
ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you so much! š¤ I’ll read your message attentively tonight and reply to you tomorrow if that’s ok.
Wish you a very good day and I hope you’re feeling more rested today š
Big hug Anita š«
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