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May 16, 2023 at 2:58 pm in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #418809DafneParticipant
<p style=”text-align: left;”>Dear Tee,</p>
It felt really good to read your message. I understand now the concept of circular dating much better and also can see all the side effects it may have if overused. I’ll try to follow the coach you recommend me and heal my heart first.Tee, some days I feel really bad and helpless. My best friend moved abroad and I also can’t expand my love search to other places. I have to stay in my small town and help my elderly as they are in need. I feel stuck. I’m between helping them and trying to meet someone somewhere else before is too late. It would be ideal if things would work out with that last man I met. He is local, single now and loves his parents. Unfortunately, he has some other issues now.
Tee, I know that you told me to not contact him first but I really feel like sending him the last message asking how he is doing and if he is up to meeting for that Yoga class or walk (not sure if I should suggest him a specific date and time?). And if he doesn’t answer or rejects the idea of meeting outside, I will move on and try to forget him. I’m not sure how to phrase it but would like to give it a try as he promised to do it without giving me a specific date. Last week his son was over at his place but this week might be a good moment to give it a last try.
What do you think Tee? Would you help me to create that last text (to not sound desperate but nudge him to follow his promise in a light, funny way)? How would you write it?
I would really appreciate it π
Thank you for all your support dear. I don’t know what I would do without you. Your presence gave me hope for better tomorrow. I was really close to giving up on my life but thank to you a spark of light and a reason to stay is with me.
Thank you Tee π
Have a good night πβοΈ
Dafne
May 14, 2023 at 2:47 pm in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #418743DafneParticipantDear Tee,
I hope you had a good weekend.
<p style=”text-align: left;”>I was trying to submit my new post but unfortunately it did not go through. So I’ll try to do it again today. I hope I did not forget anything :)</p>
Thank you for looking into this concept in more details. I can feel you and completely relate to what you said regarding the physical intimacy. I could date more than 1 man but only in a platonic way. But how long a man can wait with a kiss or holding hands? I don’t think that very long. Also they always ask if I am seeing other men.My friend told me that the original concept comes from a lady named Rori Ray. I’ve checked her webpage and there are many women who have an anxious attachment style but found her concept helpful. There was 1 women who was romantically involved with a man that wasn’t ready for anything serious. She decided to also date 1 more man and now they are engaged. She did not tell the 1 man that she is dating around but kept her schedule busy. It might work for some people..
I’ve also checked the coach that you know and I really like how she relates to women and their fears.
I will try to learn more about it. Thank you for this great recommendation! π
To be honest with you I was feeling a bit sad and depressed in the past days as the last man did not contact me again. He told me that we will be going outdoors but nothing happened. I’m trying to figure out why. Maybe getting more romantic with him was a mistake and it was better to keep him as a friend till he is ready. Well, now is too late for that..
Tee, do you think I should reach out to him first?
Dating is so hard nowadays and leaves so many women heartbroken. I’m really feeling so confused with all the rules and playing games.
You are giving me the hope to carry on with my life and to see the light that the loneliness may end one day.
Thank you for listening π·
Big hug π« π€
Dafne
May 12, 2023 at 1:07 pm in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #418544DafneParticipantDear Tee,
It was lovely reading you and seeing your perspective on my friend’s dating concept.
Yes, it sounds good. I can see where are you coming from. Skipping the romantic bit completely till marriage did sound a little bit strange to me too. I know that in some religious communities it is normal and even expected to date without any physical/romantic relationship but otherwise not sure. So I asked her to give me more details. She explained that the concept she is talking about is called rotational dating. And you can be romantic (kiss, hug etc. but no sex) with other people but you don’t have to.
“The concept of rotational dating, simply put, is the idea of dating more than one guy at the same time, till you have found that one man offers you the commitment you desire.”
You get to decide what that commitment looks like for you.
These are the connection-dates. It is meant to help the woman not to waste time on one person and later find out that he doesn’t even want relationship anymore and you lost time with him only and need to start all over again.
This approach may help women with the anxious or anxious/avoidant attachment style to get emotional to early.
What do you think Tee? Does it make more sense to you now? Would this concept help me to choose wisely and heal faster?
What’s the difference to date casually and in rotation?
Have a lovely weekend! π
Warm greetings and big thanks for being the light in my darkness β¨οΈ
Dafne
May 11, 2023 at 3:19 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #418496DafneParticipantHello Tee π
I’m really glad that you are still here. Thank you for taking time to answer my questions in more depth. I’m really grateful for you being there for meπ·
I do not want to go on and on about him and how to make him emotionally available. You gave me the beautiful foundation of how to navigate the early stages of the meeting (especially after divorce).
To summ up, next time he contacts me I will only accept meeting him in public (no going to his place for at least 2 more dates outside). I will find an excuse that the evening I’m busy and only day time works for now. If he doesn’t accept, I will say that I won’t be coming to his place. And that I can wait when he is ready for a more romantic relationship. We can stay friends for the moment being.
Actually, he doesn’t text me, only before the meeting so that might also be a sign that he doesn’t want to bond emotionally.
One of my friends came up with a new idea for dating. I’m curious what is your take on that. She advised not to be boyfriend/girlfriend until engagement. Basically we are connecting as friends, maybe kiss and hug (no sex with men). I can meet with more than 1 person and get to know without giving the benefits of a relationship. That’s her way to get married sooner than later.
I’m curious, Tee, what is your opinion on that? Is it a good way and more effective than being boyfriend/girlfriend first? I would like to get married and not stuck in a relationship forever.
Looking forward to your message.
Have a blessed day!
Warm greetings π€π
Dafne
May 9, 2023 at 1:29 pm in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #418463DafneParticipantHello Roberta,
Thank you for your message.
I will try to keep it light and do not pressure him or talk about the relationship status. At the same time, I will refuse any closer intimacy to stay true to my convictions.
Is Tee still on this site? I hope she is doing well. I wanted to thank her for all the support she gave me in the past days.
She really understood what I’m going through and gave me hope for better tomorrow.
I really appreciate both of you ππΌ
Big hug π«
Dafne
May 9, 2023 at 4:40 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #418452DafneParticipantDear Tee,
How are you?
Thank you for your hopeful reply.
Unfortunately, I’ve red your comment too late π he texted me first & invited me over to spend some time together. He was very tired after work and wanted relax at home. I took a risk. He picked me up from my place. We talked, we watched some TV. Then he tried to make a move to have it all. But I explained that I want more than sex and it is too fast. So we kissed, hold hands, etc. but not sex. Now he is saying that he will ask me out in public as well (walk or yoga together for starters). He is not a traditional type like me. Being just friends is not enough as there is too much attraction between us but also he is not ready to offer too much emotionally. It feels like he had a very good sex life with his wife and now misses it. I do not want to compete with her. Actually, he married her after 9 years of relationship and having a son. He slept with his wife 3 months ago before finalising the divorce papers.
I know for sure that I won’t accept another invite to his home without going out first. Also, I think it is better to not contact him first and wait.
Tee, I’d like to ask you to advice me what would you do next? Shall I tell him that I do not want to have any intimate activities without a relationship? At the same time, I don’t want to scare him away with my demands too soon. What is the best timing to say it and how to say it?
What other question shall I ask to bring him closer emotionally?
Looking forward to your message Tee.
Warm greetings πΌ
Dafne
May 6, 2023 at 6:20 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #418207DafneParticipantDear Tee,
Thank you for your quick reply π·
It helped me a lot to see things in perspective. Your objective view and understanding allows me to stay more grounded and not to loose myself in the process.
My 50’s mindset doesn’t always fit well into this modern dating culture. Nowadays, the hookup culture doesn’t help women to settle down. Sex is too available and most men want an easy access, so to say. I’m a hopeless romantic but maybe too naive at the same time.
At first those 3 options seemed good & innocent but you’re right they can be traps. And going to his place again and refusing sex may actually mess up with any future possibilities with him. Isn’t it?
So I will not invite him to my place or go over to his before going out in public. Meanwhile, I will also keep my eyes open for other possibilities. I pray for a miracle to happen.
The last time he called me (few days ago), I said that we need to postpone as it is too late now to come over. So after my refusal he expects me to call him and let him know when I will come over.
Tee, how can I apply your suggestion now about meeting in public? I’m not sure what wording can I use. I want to insist in a polite way that I’ve been thinking and decided that I’m interested only in going out for a walk or drink and for the moment won’t be coming to his place until he is ready to ask me out.
I’m really bad at texting or expressing myself on the phone so really need your help with that conclusive phone call (and also how many more days to wait with the call) π
Thank you so much for your time and patience Tee π€
Have a lovely day! πΌπΌπΌ
Warm greetings
Dafne
May 5, 2023 at 1:10 pm in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #418205DafneParticipantDear Tee,
Thank you π
Itβs beautifully written and I can feel your warm energy.
It isn’t easy to accept many things in my life.
I find it difficult to clear my mind to decide on what to do next.
I live in a very small town where most of the people are already married, retired or interested only in casual relationships. It is why I feel that I won’t have a new chance any time soon.
This man seems to be honest with his intentions but not yet ready emotionally to move on. I’ve met some men before pretending to want a relationship when in fact they just wanted to have fun or use me for another things (eg. looking after kids, language lessons, cooking etc.)
To answer your question, yes, it would be helpful if we could discuss the ways how to brake the patterns, set the boundaries, and love myself more. Tee, what are the simplest and healthiest ways to do that?
Also, if I really wanted to get this man out of his shell, what would you suggest?
My friend adviced me to call him and say that I want that we both compromise (if we want to keep seeing eachother). She said that she can think of 3 suggestions:
1. Tell him that I want to show him my favourite place for walks or taking a drink (near my appartement) and would like that he takes me there and after we can go to his place but no sex
2. To invite him to my place for a short tea time and then trying to get him in public near my place
3. To accept his invitation to his place (before 9.30 pm) and saying upfront that there will be no sex. If he refuses, there is no point to keep on trying.
She can’t think of any other suggestions right now. I feel that it could work and if he doesn’t accept any of these options, I will be sure to move on. I will tell him that I do not want a casual sex and that he can call me when he is ready to invite me in public.
Tee, which of these suggestions would you advice to use? Personally, I do not feel like inviting him over is good at this stage but maybe I’m wrong.
I really need to try one more time even if it sounds desperate.
Big thanks in advance! πΌ
Iβm grateful for people like you.
I do not know much about your personal life but I hope your life is treating you well.
Looking forward to your next message.
Kind regards,
Dafne
May 4, 2023 at 7:04 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #418176DafneParticipantDear Tee,
I hope you are well.
It feels really good to read your message. It is full of compassion and understanding which comforts my heart. Thank you for that.
You made me see my life from a completely different perspective. Now I know that it wasn’t all my fault and that the lack of love in my childhood affected my romantic life. My father was the first man who broke my heart and I could not make better choices. Thanks to you I can see clearly how much pain he caused me but I don’t exactly know how to move on.
I’ve spent past few days by myself. For the first time I didn’t run away from my own thoughts and feelings but just sat there and let myself feel everything.
One of my biggest challenges is to make my own decisions. I am always afraid that I will hurt a person or that I’ve said or done the wrong thing. That’s why I always ask for someone’s advice. I am afraid of rejection.
Tee, how do I brake that pattern and why there is so much fear behind any romantic decision (eg. replying a simple text message, talking on the phone or analysing my every move and regretting that I could do it better)?
Also, I’ve got an update from the last man. I saw him in town and he asked how am I. Also explained that he had no courage to reply to my text message. He did not know what to say. It turns out he signed the divorce papers but doesn’t want any relationship right now and is not ready to go out. He thought of asking me for a drink but then decided not to as I am looking for something more serious. I told him that I’m also afraid of men as much as he is afraid of women but still would like to try and in the worst case we stay friends. His reply was that he thinks that I deserve someone special and that he doesn’t want to hurt me. It all seemed very honest.
I invited him to an exhibition but in the end he invited me to come to his place and eat dinner after 9.30pm as his son will already sleep in his room. I agreed.
Then I got back home and he texted if I still want to come over. One of my friends was with me. I hesitated and got second thoughts and wasn’t sure if it will be safe (romantic gesture like kiss and hug is ok but not sex).
My friend advised me that I should never accept same day meeting (desperation) and test him by saying that my car broke down and we need to postpone. I did not want to play games and lie to him but my friend did send the messages anyway (saying that it is good for me as I’m too emotional). Was she right? Tee, was it the right decision to find the excuse and cancel that meeting?
Then after a long while he called and proposed to pick me up but it was nearly 11pm and I refused. He was very disappointed and said that if I do not want to come to his place then he doesnt want to go to the exhibition. I wanted to see him but my fear was stronger. And my friend advised to go another time, but bit earlier and when the son is not there. Tee, what do you think of her advice? I thought it is better when his son is there as he might be more careful.
I really would like to give him the chance but don’t know how. Shall I just call him and say that I will come on the weekend but earlier? At what point shall I tell him that I won’t accept the casual sex but I can accept a bit of romantic closeness (say it in the car or when I get to his place)? How far is too far?
Is it a good idea or better to leave him completely and ask to call me when he is ready to go out for a drink?
I’m really confused now as I do not want to loose him or reject him completely. At the same time, I do not want to get hurt.
And yes, you’re right, I want a man who sees more than a sex object in me. Someone who is interested in me as a person. Maybe it takes timeΒ Maybe he can open up slowly? Is there any way to know?
I hope you’re having a lovely week π
Thank you in advance for your support Tee. You are really special and please keep up the good work π·π€
Warm greetings
Dafne
April 25, 2023 at 11:41 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #417727DafneParticipantDear Tee,
Thank you again for taking time to help me with that dilemma.
I red your reply with a great pleasure. You have such an amazing way of explaining even the most confusing aspects. At the same time, I can feel that it is filled with compassion and understanding π·
Yes, it all makes sense to me now. I’m someone who believes in giving second chances but I feel that sometimes I give too much. I felt sorry for this last man as divorce is never easy. Also I could not understand why he did not want to keep in touch and see how things will progress? It was his way or no way at all. He told me that he needs the closness and even only a kiss would be fine for him to feel better. He got a hug instead and this was not enough for him on a first date. Some of the dating advices (and woman I know too) say that NOT kissing a man on a 1 date is a very bad thing and most man will not want to see you again (even if you hug him or say that it is too fast). Is that true Tee?Does it apply to separated men too? And shall we always accept it and if not, how to refuse it to not hurt his feelings?
Also when is the best moment to mention marriage and how to say it?
There was one more thing I was trying to figure out and forgot to mention to you.
I could understand that he did not want to meet me in public as they could accuse him of adultery etc.. and he could pay more in divorce. The thing I did not understand is why he did not park in his building’s parking but 2 streets away and had to walk all the way back?
To answer your question, the problem is that I am always trying to see the good in a person and find the excuses for their behaviour. Maybe deep down I am afraid of a rejection. I suffered a lot of emotional pain in my childhood and same pain came back as I started dating men (which was really late, in my 30’s). My dadd was mostly cold and absent from my life but I never wanted to blame parents for my difficult dating experience.
I avoided dating for a very long time. I really lost my trust. So I only kept men who were willing to remain platonic. I’m guessing it was a way of protecting my heart. Then I opened it again and got painfully disappointed again. I really lost my trust.
And here I am today with another hurtful experience π
I’m grateful that there is still people like you Tee. Thank you for being here π
April 24, 2023 at 2:07 pm in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #417707DafneParticipantDear Tee,
It was lovely reading you again.
Thank you for your time and a quick answer.
I will take your advice to my heart and try to apply it next time.
Unfortunately, with every failed relationship, I feel more and more discouraged to meet new men. Also there is a matter of trust.
Most of those men I’ve met online but the last one (the policeman) I’ve met in real time. Also before him there was one man (met at his work place) I went out on a few good dates. We held hands, kissed and had a good time. And then he ghosted me. His friend told me that he expected me to initiate sex with him. He is used to it with other women and if he doesn’t get it, he leaves (without a word). That was a painful experience as I got my answer a few months later from his friend.
I was also in a long term relationship with a divorced (or so I thought at that time) man with 2 kids. I helped him to look after his small kids (they stayed with him every 2 weeks). He blamed his ex for leaving him but said that he moved on and is ready for a new woman.
Long story short, when I started to push for marriage, he told me that he is not sure if he has the final divorce papers. He showed me only the first part/stage of a divorce but not final. There were no warning signs at the beginning. His ex lived in a different place, he was always available, never pushed for sex, always responsive, met with me at any time. So after that I realised that there’s no sure way to know if he is really divorced.
Probably they had an agreement to not divorce completely, so their assets stayed within the family. I never got to know the whole story as even his family was good at hiding everything.
So there you have it, my love story in a nutshell π I wish to write in a more positive tone but that’s it. I think I’m closer and closer to becoming a cat lady π±
Just an update: I’ve sent a text to the last guy (separated policeman that pushed for sex) to ask how he was doing and he red it but did not reply. I guess not kissing him on that 1 date was a deal broker for him or maybe there is another reason?
Tee, what mistakes do you think I’m making with all those men? How would you react on my place?
In advance thank you for listening to my story and sharing your thoughts. You’re so precious. I appreciate you so much π
Big kiss πΌ πΈ
Dafne
April 24, 2023 at 3:11 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #417685DafneParticipantDear Tee,
Thank you for your kind & helpful reply!
You made so many things clear for me. I felt that something is off, but you confirmed it so insightfully.
There is too many questions and no way for me to know the truth about him and his life.
I’m glad you solved the mystery of why he doesn’t want to be friends. This really indicates that he was only after sex and probably not getting divorced.
Tee, what is your general idea of dating a separated man? If I happen to meet a separated/divorced man in the future, how should I go about it?
Is it ok to ask him to see the final divorce papers? If yes, after how many dates to not offend him?
And would you advice to stay friends first with any separated man and date other men meanwhile (until his divorce is finalised)?
I appreciate your precious help β€οΈ
Warm regards,
Dafne
April 18, 2023 at 7:25 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #417449DafneParticipantHello Anita,
I am really grateful for your reply as you really confirmed my already strong convictions. Unfortunately, I do not have much success in finding a man who respects that.
I believe in friendships before any physical contact. The problem is that men that I’ve met do not want to be friends first and try to kiss me pretty soon. I always refuse the kiss in the first weeks of meeting and it always ends there.
Recently,Β I’ve met a new man and he invited me for a coffee. He is a cop. He picked me up from my place and I asked where exactly I would like to go out. I said I prefer if he chooses a place. In that moment he proposed his appartment. I refused and proposed a coffe place on town. Then he said that he can’t show me in public as he is not yet divorced. My heart sunk.
He can only invite me to his place for coffee as his reputation is important for him and people might see us in public. Apparently only 1 week left till divorce.
I did not know how to react. I was really disappointed. I proposed a short walk outside of his building but he insisted to visit him.
After a long convincing and promise that he won’t be forcing me to sleep with him, I went to his place. He seemed nervous and smoked a lot of cigarettes. Did not want to talk too much about his divorce, although I asked a few questions.
Anyways, he tried to touch and kiss me but I told him that it should have a meaning for me and for now it is too fast.
I also added that we can stay friends for now and get to know eachother but he replied that he wants cuddles and fun and that he is afraid of women.
We ended our meeting on a friendly note with a big hug. Then he brought me back home and we parted.
It’s been more than a week and I haven’t heard from him.
I would really appreciate your advice Anita.
What would you do in my situation?
Would you react differently? What should I do next? Is it ok to call or text him now to find out if he got divorced?
Also, I know that when dating we should wait with sex but what about a kiss? Sometimes I feel that I am too strict and overthinking.
Please help me to figure this out π
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