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Hi Roberta,
and yet you say feel pressurized by what you perceive as others expectations of you. Each of us has their own timescale/speed that also changes from circumstances/perception.
This was shown clearly to me today & I had to laugh at myself or rather my egoās hypocrisy. I take my father out for a drive nearly everyday and he gets anxious if I drive faster than he likes, so we normally do 20mph, today we were behind two others cars and I felt impatience arise until I looked at the speedo we were doing 20mph! even as I was writing this the words dawdle and stuck came into my mental narrative ha ha ego trying once again to cause suffering even when retelling such a minor story.
Haha, yeahh in the end we do not know. I tell myself this over and over. Sometime I’m happy when people show up late or the opposite. If I get you right the point you make is that you wouldn’t drive faster anyway and the cars in front of you where annoying till you noticed your going already max speed. Good you’re laughing about it, why not have some fun.
I’m impressed you take the time every day to take your Dad for a ride.
Thanks, you too š
beniParticipantHi Tee,
Thatās okay if you donāt respond when you donāt feel like it. No pressure. I am sorry you got sick ā is it something like the flu?
Thanks, I need to hear this over and over. Mhh, I wonder I actually am sick once a month an now since 3 weeks. Feeling exhausted, last week rather stiff, ill and headache this week more a cold, less dizzy. I wanna try omega-3 and Vitamin D maybe that helps.
I am again worse with regard to my back ā it started hurting for apparent reason, without any wrong move, so I am perplexed. Not really panicking like last year, but itās not a good feeling to go through it again, because I thought Iāve reached a certain state, where I was more resilient and more stable. But apparently not :\
Do I get you right, you put more stress on your back like exercise and now it started hurting? I can Imagine that you feel vulnerable and helpless cause what you did seemed to have less impact. Maybe it is something like a flashback and you are more resilient and stable than you think.
Well, it would be a positive contribution for the world, on a small scale of course, within my sphere of influence.
In a course in miracles they say that the valuation does not matter rather how it feels. I like that.
Is it rather that you wanna see yourself in a certain role in life doing a certain action to validate your existence?You want to pray to know what you need to do? Like, you donāt know what your contribution (to the world) should be, and you want to pray for clarity on that? Sorry if I misunderstood youā¦
Yes, that’s it. Thanks for trying.
Ah, it sounds like you believe people have expectations on you, they want you to do something, and you feel pressured by it, and you donāt like it. (BTW there are no expectations from my side, so as far as I am concerned, please donāt feel pressured to reply).
I think expectation is a small part. If someone does not reply on a forum or the phone within a time it’s easy to feel rejected. It’s already special for our systems to communicate without seeing or hearing. And I noticed that for me it’s hard to accept that my action is maybe not the cause but reminds a person at her vulnerability. My system sees danger if I do not take action I can get into ambivalence then.
Okay, so you feel comfortable doing things at your own pace, in your own time, when you feel like it, not when someone tells you to do it, right? Is it related to your family and the expectations they have from you? Or other peopleās expectations as well?
Thanks for asking Tee. Yes I do things in my pace, time and feel. It is like being a child and I think I need this type of space to flourish.
beniParticipantHi Tee,
You mean you wrote a reply 2 weeks ago, but never posted it? Because you felt some resentment or discomfort? Youāre welcome to tell me more, if youād like toā¦
Jap, I felt disconnected. I have day’s or times where I retreat into myself and I struggle to reach out. It feels like a stone on my heart, it’s harder to give love and share/show myself and also I got and still am sick :-/
Hmm, Iāll have a sense of accomplishment of something that is important to me. You know the Maslow hierarchy of needs? I feel accomplishing this goal would meet my need for self-realization. Maybe I am wrong, but this is how I feel š
And Iāll know that Iāve met it, because there are some concrete milestones Iād like to achieveā¦
Yes, I know it. Are you saying that you wanna reach this goal cause it expresses values you want to see in the world?
Oh interestingā¦ so praying for you feels like not talking to anyone, whereas speaking to your inner child feels like talking to someone?
Yeah, this is exactly how it feels. Praying feels bigger.
You mean that when you pray for something, you feel youāre attached to the outcome? And it gives you a feeling that something is wrong or missing in how things are right now? And when you let go of that attachment, when you just patiently wait and trust that it will happen, then it does happen eventually?
I think/feel praying is without attachment to the outcome. It’s not easy to put in words. I’d say it’s knowing while not knowing how/what at least in the beginning. I think that’s why it’s helpful to differentiate needs from the strategies to meet the need. I wanna pray for the need.
Let me see if I understood you correctly: so your experience is that when you patiently wait, things work out by themselves? And so youāre not motivated to take action?
Can you give me an example (if you feel comfortable) of a situation where things just worked out by themselves, without you needing to take any action?
I feel like I wanna take action and do this and that and that it will have severe impact on my life if I do not take this action.
Yeah, like I wanted to reply here and my mind was like now, now, now you have to do it. It can be painful to not do things. I feel helpless. It’s hard for me to let people wait. I usually know my things I don’t forget.
Anyhow I figured if I really wanna do it I will do it. I’ll do it without effort but I have to wait for it. Often I can’t do it any other way it’s just too painful.beniParticipantMy pathway meets blocks every day
I see so many problems
but my mindās the only one
thatās got themIf I change how I see my way
All my problems will be gone today
Cause a miracle is hiding in every dark corner
And thereās a divine light that shines the dark away
And if I wish to see that light with my own eyes,
Well the highest in me shows me how, well it tries.All this dark is just in my mind ā illusion
Cause every problem already got a solution
Everything is already okay
Lifeās a miracle in every way
Thereās a divine light that shines the dark away
I just got to shine bright to see the lightā¦the lyrics can also be found here on page 40 (same as 51 of the pdf): https://cdn0030.qrcodechimp.com/qr/PROD/63de5c0bef59a6b6430443b7/fm/mantras_for_miracles_full_song_book_a5_x2_compressed.pdf
yeah, the song makes me smile inside
beniParticipantHi Roberta,
Thank’s it’s reminding me at what I can control and gives strength.
beniParticipantDear Tee,
I reply late, sometimes I get in to this mode where I do not reach out to people. I replied already two weeks ago and I didn’t like where ther reply came from and it took till now as it’s changing again.
Is it only related to physical pain (you mentioned sweet pain after you fall), or in general, in your life, when you are out of sync with your being, that you feel emotionally tense and heavy (no lightness)?
It’s a general thing.
Yes, to reach the goals which are aligned with my inner being, with who I am. Not someone elseās goals, but my own.
Maybe you feel comfortable to reply this question: ‘What do you imagine happens when you meet your career goal and how do you know you met it?’
What do you think about this approach?
I forgot to pray lately, I think when I come out of the energy that there needs to be change, that there is something wrong or missing rather than I whish this and this happens and not beeing attached to the outcome it feels natural. There’s much patience endurance involved and sometimes I doubt it.
Talking to our subconscious is another aspect of solving the problem,
I feel your’re right it feels different. Two weeks a go I thought it’s the same. It feels rather like speaking to a person and praying doesn’t feel like talking to anyone or thing
And another big part of solving the problem is the plan of action ā daily activities to support our goal. This is what actually brings us closer to our goal. Talking about it and understanding it is not enough. We need action.
Makes sense how can we reach a goal when wo do not move in it’s direction taking the steps, we need to be very clear what our goals are and why we need it. This kinda triggers me cause I struggle to take action mucho. I do not know how so I patiently wait and things work out too and I take action too it is just is so slow.
I like this approach about problems: https://aylalove.bandcamp.com/track/problems-are-solutions-in-disguise-2
beniParticipantHi Tee,
I understand. Would you like to say a bit more about this pain? (only if you want to share)
It’s kinda as soon as I’m out of sync with my being whatever I do feels painful or tense. There’s no lightness. If I’m in touch pain is not so painful it’s rather light pain or sweet pain.
For me, inner power is the ability to achieve what I want, to reach my goals (mostly career related), and to keep working towards it, in spite of obstacles. I get discouraged very easily and donāt have that persistence and commitment to see it through.
But inner power can include many other things, like standing up for yourself (which you mentioned), assertiveness, setting boundaries etc. But for me, itās mostly the desire to achieve more and have a sense of accomplishment with regard to my career.
Aha,Ā I think I understand. Basically to reach our inner worldly life goals. Somebody once told me we can’t do anything but pray.Ā Which I understand as, we can’t do anything conscious but talk to our subconscious. I think and feel it’s a healthy perspective to act out of.
What do you think about this approach?
beniParticipantHey Tee,
Cool! Does it help at all (in case you took it)?
I don’t know.
And maybe thatās why you prefer to listen to your body and track the pain, rather than give up some of those movements altogether? Like, you want to hear and follow your own inner voice, rather than some outer voice (doctor) telling you what to do?
Yeah, I want to follow my inner voice. Everything else is overhead, it feels kinda painful.
For me, it is connecting to my inner power.
I wonder what you mean by that or how you experience inner power.
beniParticipantHi Tee,
Thanks for your reply.
Have you tried taking vitamin B6? Iāve tried it when I felt tension in my nerve, and it helped.
Yes, I actually bought a supplement once I read it from you and noticed that the Magnesium I take has it too.
Oh I see, so you didnāt even want an injection because you were afraid you wonāt feel the pain and then youād overdo yourself. This means you didnāt really want to minimize the pain ā you wanted to feel it, so that it guides you. I assumed the opposite ā that you minimized it so you can keep skating. I apologize for that ā that was my false assumption.
Yeah exactly.
What Iāve learned (based on the teachings of Drs Sarno, Schubiner, Hanscom etc) is that pain (specially chronic pain) depends on the way we perceive danger. Pain is created in the brain, based on the impulses we receive from the body, but also the level of danger we perceive.
If we believe that a movement is dangerous/unsafe, we will feel more pain, because pain is the brainās alarm to stop doing that what is dangerous. If we believe that the movement is safe, we will feel less pain.
Before Iāve learned this, every time Iād accidentally make a wrong move and started feeling pain, I would panic and fear that Iāve messed it up and wouldnāt be able to recover from it. I perceived danger from every āless than perfectā movement. And thatās what increased the pain and made me worry even more. That mental anguish and worry was actually very exhausting, it wasnāt good for my mental health at all.
So Iāve learned to accept that not every less-than-perfect move is dangerous, and this made me much more relaxed about feeling pain. Because I know that in a few days Iāll be back to normal again, and that I havenāt messed it up irreversibly.
Thank’s for sharing your insight. I think it backs the expirience I make.
There’s one thing I think about. I think it can be psychosomatic too. There is this saying in german:’She/He has no backbone’. It’s when someone does not standup for himself. I imagine that as language evolved these sayings evolved. Why is the back chosen in the saying? I can imagine that people observed that certain people who are conditioned this way have weak backs. So this makes me wonder if the healing is reconnecting to myself. This is what my being is prioritizing more than doing exercises it seems to be the most important as soon I get the basic needs met.
But then as it wouldnāt go away and it got worse (partly because I wasnāt told I should be cautious), it really made me overly cautious and fearing my every move.
I think I can relate to this fear I try to move from fear to trust that what ever arises I can handle. The mind does not like that it wants to have control. It has nothing to do if it can’t worry.
beniParticipantHi Tee,
Sorry for the late reply. I think I might be a bit defensive in part of the answer I hope that’s good enough.
How bad is it? They are some exercises for that too, if youāre not already doing them?
This I think is addressed with strengthening. I do hardly feel it, I think my lower back feels more unstable.
I seeā¦ maybe you tried to push yourself in those first 2 months, to get over it quickly, and thatās why it sometimes hurt a lot, and it warranted an injection?
I did the injection because the doc told me the insurance might not pay. I was afraid that when I do not have pain I might overdo myself. That time I had very clear feedback from my body when I needed a break. Now it’s not so clear sometimes it’s activity sometimes mood.
Anyway, I feel I had to address it, because I think itās an important topicā¦ What do you think and feel about this?
I see your point, that’s why I ride ramps mostly they’re round you fall different you have less impact. It feels okay to do it. I use my body different than a year ago way more conscious. My mind worries about those things and I figured I need to learn from experience. This is somehow more important than taking perfect caution. I can’t change it by myself I so I accepted it for now.
I might have been projecting, because maybe you found a way to do those moves safely, so that they are less likely to cause you injury?
I use my body way more cautious these day’s way more soft and I take more breaks. Maybe that’s good enough.
May I ask how strong is this pain and how long it lasts?
It’s not really pain it’s more that my right leg feels a bit different (colder) and I have like a 1 in my back if it gets more I just stop.
I am sorry if my previous post contributed to your insecurity, by me āsidingā with the doctors and telling you to do what āmakes the most senseā, i.e. what is usually recommended for this type of injury.
Yeah, I kinda wanna let go of that cause it’s most times a combination between mood and physical activity or one of them. And if I’m honest I don’t know what it is and I noticed that I need to let go of these good/bad beliefs. Wrong movement that’s too easy to say.
I think this is what is what inspired me to handle it this way:
A friend told me that he was allergic to apples for most of his life cause his grandma told him when he was coughing:’ Oh, you must be allergic to apples’. I think what we belief can make a big difference and we need to be careful what we let in our minds.
A Neuro-Surgeon told me that it’s hard for doctor’s to know if what they did helped or if it was placebo. And he’s researching this.
I did some mistakes in the beginning when I had it. I just went working on the construction site the day after and at the end of the day I couldn’t walk straight. I hear that you did a small move and had big impact which makes you very cautious. I think this is how we are conditioned mostly. Because you had this experience you can be that cautious.
Take care, Beni!
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beniParticipantHi Tee,
ah, it’s called sliding vertebra it’s a different thing and has a very similar latin name aand yes I mixed it up. š
My pain wasnāt so unbearable that I would need a cortisol injection
Mine either the doctor pushed me to do it after 2 Months. I needed the insurance money. Hard to say how much in numbers it was. It was very dependent on my mood and other needs and how I could meet them.
Yeah, the bigger the distance between the load and your core, the bigger the stress on your spine. I can do much less physical work, even house work, than before, and thatās something I am not happy about either :/
I noticed that too, it’s affecting me rather on the ‘I can’t ride rails in the snowpark every day’ and ‘I don’t feel like jumping stairs with the skateboard level’. If I can accept it it’s easy. I get it that it’s peanuts too not being able to ski at all and needing more breaks during housework.
Yeah, donāt push yourself. Every trainer who has experience with spinal injury will tell you not to push yourself. Maybe a little, till the pain is 3-4, but never beyond that, because thatās when the inflammation starts and youāre doing yourself more harm than good.
Thanks, it’s good to have read that. It will support my future decisions.
Yeah.. but do be careful with certain moves though. Are you still skating?
Yes, mostly small half pipes. Many of the movement’s I do some doctors would not approve. I actually think it’s a bit more resilient or that I get used to feeling it.
So now when it hurts, it hurts on both sides, though more on the left.
Do you have more outward rotation on one side? (while laying and looking at the feet one small toe is closer to the ground usually)
Another question how would you differ chronic and non-chronic pain?
beniParticipantHeya Tee,
yeah, piriformis can press on the sciatic nerve too. But since you feel it while lifting something heavy, I guess it has to be a disc bulge, right? Did you get a scan to have it confirmed?
Yes, it can be seen on the scan. Ah and I have the thing where part of the spine is not connected. (Spindolysis)
Do you also feel it while snowboarding/skateboarding? You mentioned that you sometimes fall and experience pain, and then you start fearing a littleā¦ is it your sciatic pain that you feel when you fall?
Not really, when I have a lot of impact I usually feel it more the day after. Also there’s a part of me is expecting that this happens.Ā I try to let go of that belief that there is right an wrong movement. I wanna follow what feels light and bright.
I am glad you are now better, not experiencing so much pain. You said it was caused by a lot of physical activity. Was it caused by heavy lifting by any chance? Sometimes people get a disc bulge while weight lifting, or even by working their leg muscles in the gym.
I was Skating a 3.5m high half pipe the day before and there was no ladder then you run up a lot.
Doing the sideway sports I noticed made my righ hip tilted forward and my left is rather stiff. I move alot the other way these days and try to strengthen my other side.
Neal Hallinan (Youtube) has some interesting aspects too and has inspired me about different types of exercises and that unsymetrticallity of the body which is given anyway with the heart and the lungs and having a strong hand, foot and eye.Have you done some exercises for pain relief after it happened? Or it just went away on its own?
I wonder what I’ve done for shure a lot and only a few things constant. I did the intrusion where they inject cortisol close to the spine. I went surfing in Norway maybe it was the change of environment or the intrusion cause it went better then. Cycling was the best for pain relief. I couldn’t stand more than 10 min and in the beginning I needed to cycle in the middle of the night to get some relief. I brought a bike to Norway I would feel insecure without it. Hanging is good and I did it occasionally also many people told me this. Stretching calves and hip flexors. And to feel my abs and back muscles conscious. I tried to force posture by time and then let go of it again. Ah and dry needling might have helped too.
Maybe there is a way to make progress with it, maybe to exercise more, push myself more. But I am a bit apprehensive to push myself too much, because it starts hurting. So far I am happy that I can maintain this relatively low level of pain, even if it limits me quite a bit.
I’m afraid to push or even too allow myself to keep going like this. I think it’s important what environment I put myself in. I think I couldn’t do some jobs where I stand all day without walking also sitting all day does not feel right.
This monk told me to never push when I was moving a cart and that I should use the weight of my body (I was already out of breath then š ). When I had the injury I pushed myself with my mind I noticed that I just could keep going if I kept pushing I thought that’s how to progress. It’s the opposite of play. It’s kinda that I moved my body with my mind. In my body this creates tension.
My body somehow knows what can be done I just need to listen and let it happen.
Do you expirience the pain on a specific side? And rather in the legs or in the back itself?
beniParticipantHey Tee,
I too am suffering from back pain, got a herniated disc.
I got that too and it’s on the sciatic and the piriformis muscle in the butt might do the same. It had it out of the blue while doing a lot of physical activity. I don’t really have pain it’s more like my right leg, right back feels different by times mostly when emotional or when I lift too heavy. I don’t know how reliable it is.
Yes, itās physical. Iāve had physical injuries in the last 5 years that remained chronic (like knee and back pain), and this is limiting me quite a bitā¦
I can relate to that as what I have now is slowing me down which am also grateful (I’m less pushy) for and scared (cause I wanna do physical work).
Yes, I am interested in that topic too, because of these injuries and chronic pain that I have to manage and live with. It was quite an adjustment, emotionally and mentally too, to suddenly have to live with physical limitations, to not be able to do the things you loved before. I had to grieve those things. It still causes me pain (emotional pain) but Iāve learned to accept it.
I can imagine and worry how it is to find new strategies for self regulation when those things don’t work at all. It broke me last spring when I was in pain a lot and that is one thing. I feel relieved to read that you find way’s to live with it and function cause it show’s that it’s possible.
This concept was first discovered by Dr. John Sarno, and now it is taught by Dr. Hanscom, Dr. Schubiner, as well as Tanner Murtagh, who is teaching the somatic tracking practice. He has a pretty cool youtube channel, with lots of exercises for tracking our body sensations and reducing chronic pain.
Cool, thanks for sharing.
As you can see, this topic can make me talk for hours š It came out of necessity, but it is what it is, Iāve learned a lot about it as I am trying to help myselfā¦
Hiooo š
beniParticipantHi Tee,
Haha, not boring at all! I wish my life were boring and I were free from all of these āsurprisesāā¦
I’ll light a candle!
You might want to check her out too.
Yayy, very appreciated. I just started doing Feldenkreis and it enjoy to explore how my body moves.
You mean you feel guilty for bringing yourself into a risky situation? And feeling abandoned by good fortune/universe when you do fall and injure yourself?
It’s rather an observation that when I stay in my body’s space in the world it’s hard to get injured physically. It’s rather risky to do something without confidence while being in fear or when not connected with the body or not able to follow the body.
Hm.. not sure what you mean here? Are you saying that you injure yourself because a part of you believes that risky moves/extreme sports arenāt good for you? That this thinking serves like a āplaceboā, which makes you more prone to mistakes while skiing/skating?
I forgot to tell you the fundamental of what I write is. My back started hurting last spring. I feel glimpses of the pain (3-4%).Ā It’s also me pushing myself which creates the condition and what the doc says. It’s confusing cause I expirience that it’s what I belief is good and bad which creates this experience. I start to belief that to heal it’s better to fully trust in my body rather then doing what makes the most sense. That’s creating insecurity cause I do not know what I’m doing.
Okay, we are in slightly different situations, because I am pretty risk averse and would be afraid to get into sports where one can fall a lot š
When you get injured is it physical? I notice it changes as I get older. I’m more prone to injuries or sensitive to pain.
Sorry if I misunderstood youā¦ Itās an interesting topic by all means and Iād like to understand more of your dilemma.
I have to smile when I read the word dilemma š cause I don’t take myself too serious.
I think when I wrote it, it was more like that I’m so curious about this topic and there’s so much potential and hope that I have to talk about it as soon as the topic goes in such a direction. It’s in someway reactive and also authentic. Also I thought it might benefit you to hear it cause I see all that.
Does it feel right to you when you act reactive? Is it a need which is hold back and needs to be met and we failed to meet it earlier?
Have a good day š
beniParticipantGood morning Tee,
Sound’s like a not boring at all and very challenging situation your in. It’s so crazy when many thing’s hit at once. I wish that you can be loose of your struggle soon and feel healthy. It feels light to read that you get a little hold on things and being able to have some control.
I need to contemplate some more on it
I got inspired by Peter Levine (and Vipassana) it’s worth to check him out if you’re not knowing him yet.
Congratulations on becoming a Snowboard teacher! I am glad you decided not to hide any more, and that it felt natural to be authentic, even though it was scary.
Thanks, I’m touched <3
Actually if we are in tune with our body, we are also in tune with our true needs. And with our intuition. So it makes sense that you would listen to your body and try to sense how you feel about something, and then do what feels right. Yeah, it makes sense to me.
I feel happy that it makes sense to you š I have been observing that when I’m in touch and I fall on a Skateboard it does not hurt it’s kind of a sweet pain. As soon as there is a slight pressure (my mind wants to take control). I get more stiff it hurts and I feel I can get injured. I belief if I’m patient to wait for risky things to do with confidence, trust and flow chances high I don’t get injured.
I think I have a similar experience with pain as you write here:
Wow, I too learned that I worry too much about my health and that itās actually health anxiety. I also learned that when I am anxious, the body canāt heal so well, and the pain is stronger too. When I can stop fearing and freaking out, the pain diminishes too. So thatās been super helpful.
I’m not what is making my condition worse
alwaysthe last 4 times I observed when I’m in pain there’s also guilt or abandonment around and not only as science say’s wrong movement. I might just feel this way because I belief it’s not good for me. Placebo is a deal and I’m scared but also it feels right to not take science too serious cause of the effect it has on my bodymind. It’s like it’s right for the thinking but wrong for the heart.I hope I do not project my things onto you. I paid attention not to do that.
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