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Dear Anita,
I wanted to write a second post this morning to tell you the following. I want to journal it as these moments are fleeting often, but so important:
I woke up feeling, cool, calm, and centered. I enjoyed my morning routine, although rushed, not frenzied. I had a good quick interaction with my husband before he was on his way to work, and put some things away quickly before I headed out the door.
I woke up feeling good. It is that simple. Not worried, not frenzied, and not focused on anyone else.
It was nice, and I look forward to more moments like this, and perhaps days, and even more!
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I haven’t had to befriend a “bad or user” type person in years. The last memory of this is when my mother put me on the phone with this lady’s daughter. This lady was part of this physician circle/network that my mother was desperately trying to fit into. She said how they were rich mean people, but sometimes we have to “try.”
I was already a teenager at this point, so when my mom shoved the phone of this lady’s daughter onto me – i made some small talk and gave it back to her. After the phone was hung up I told my mother how it is necessary to try to befriend these people, and it won’t work anyway. And we don’t need people like this in our life. She “understood” and become emotional about how “wise” I was.
Rewind…
Prior memories.
Having to befriend kids across the street so that I would have play friends. Kids my mother told me were leaving me out because I wasn’t white like them. Families my mother said were caught up in “themselves and so happy with their own family” that they don’t need others.
insinuating of course that unlike them, we do need others, and we are sad and unhappy and desperately seeking the company of others.
So during this time I did not have the mental bandwidth and awareness of what it truly meant to be bad or good, I was young 7/8 or so. So in this scenario, I would just try. If my mom said, go over to Amanda’s and ring the door bell see if they are free. i would.
This question of yours in fact is great for my sister, she was pushed and pushed and pushed to make friends with anyone my mom thought right at that moment. It has created a lot of trauma for friendships for my sister, things she is working hard on now – and making good progress.
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So back to the S scenario. I slept on it and thought about it yesterday, I was around a lot of different type of people throughout my day yesterday.
It isn’t about S – it is about that discomfort of CC transitionining from outer circle to inner circle.
If S was to text me today let’s say, and say so what did you decide to do this weekend for your bday?
I would respond: “nothing much going to relax and be low key”
But after the fact, I would have the thoughts in my head: “hmm should I do more. That isn’t like me to not have a get together. Is that boring?”
I think I am simply getting used to the idea of “low key relaxed CC” It is a different and foreign persona, and there will be some growing pains.
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How are you? How was your weekend? Were you able to spend time outside, I imagine it to beautiful there this time of year.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Good evening. I apologize, I did not see your last post until just now. I think the email notification for the post I had confused with the prior, not knowing there was a new one.
Well, I am glad I read it just now – as it gives me some food for thought. I have a few thoughts in mind as to where this guilt/pressure comes from. It is not related to S personally, it is more of a concept about me. I will let myself think about this over night.
For now the thoughts that come to mind are the following:
1) I know in my rational mind that at this stage in my life I am not going to “lose” a valuable friend like S. Ironically any friends I have “lost” in the last year have been entirely by my own choice. However, perhaps the concept of “always trying so you don’t lose something” comes into play here. Ironic again, that this did not translate into romantic relationships and now marriage. Parrot did not teach: with marriage comes hard work, and you have to always put in effort and bring your best self forward to maintain it. Nope, quite the contrary. More about – marriage is some sort of destination – and some people get lucky and others don’t. The end. What BS!!! I digress.
So perhaps deep down inside there is a feeling of, well she is the last great friend I do want to keep, so perhaps I “should do more.” Once again entirely self induced given that she is extremely understanding and never ever the type to pressure.
2) I am not just used to being social. I enjoy it. This is not a bad thing. SCC, yes can be toxic. But enjoying the concept of others, more the merrier attitude, etc – in and of itself is not bad. Yet, we come to this point in the healing path for ME. And that is just it. It isn’t about what is good or bad, it is what is appropriate for me, right now, in this state, in this part of the path, in this state of my marriage, at this moment. Now. And that doesn’t necessarily coincide with the “innate way I have been living.”
Yes, I am the type to enjoy being friendly – to open my home easily, to not feel that things have to be formal. Friendly social CC, and SCC – what are the differences?
You mentioned last week the concept of being extroverted, but what is the MOTIVE behind being extroverted?
I thought about it a lot. I notice that in my most truest innate self – I am an extrovert. This does not mean I do not like alone time – it is that it is just me. But super extrovert, SCC – now that is something else. And that line can get blurry. It also goes back to the concept of thinking before speaking, thinking before acting, and thinking about what does CC truly need right now?
CC never thought about what she needs right now. It wasn’t much of an issue growing up. I had good friends, many outlets of activities, and a good adolescent life that way. College the same – being social wasn’t something I sought out – it was the nature of my life, dance team, roommates, neighbors, college get togethers and parties and so forth. None of it during this time seemingly SCC. The SCC role I definitely picked up more in medical school (not to say it wasn’t born MUCH earlier – but the distress related to it, and the active SEEKING was prominent at this time when I was no longer a teenager and seeking out social activity was a choice and not just baseline as a kid). SCC developed in medical school, and SCC was 10000% my way of coping with any distress. Now, once again, of course these behaviours started way early on – growing up in a household where healthy coping mechanisms were not entertained, and hysteria, anger, and seeking others were normalized.
So in my 20s not only did I really become this SCC, I thrived off of it. Having fun was the MO. Sitting with my feelings was not. And if and when I did “try” to do so – it never seemed to “work” and so I would quickly go back to SCC once again. Of course that is because there was a life time of trauma building that I had no idea of back then.
So anyway back to present day question. Well I am used to being social. I enjoy it. SCC not so much. Perhaps It is that out of the people I do have in my life, that I now choose actively. And some of which I have without choice (such as that cousin – but will choose at events to not engage with deeply) – I have such fond memories with S, and a truly heartfelt great time.
Perhaps sometimes I just miss good old lighthearted fun. Girl talk, laughing. It has been a while in some ways – and yes I have this with my sister, but of course it is different with a college friend. Not closer, just different. Life has been so heavy, the type of work I do, the events through July and August, many “ugly” people shining their head. It is simply nice to have lighthearted girl time with someone who doesn’t have a lot of drama, and is an overall positive energy person.
But guilt and pressure…well. I think it is also because S was really there a lot for me throughout my life, and during the wedding time. Perhaps I feel subconscious guilt to be there for her more now, in a way to give back or be equal. Once again not because she asked. In fact we have talked openly and she has said: “take all the time you need, it’s fine if you can’t make it to X or Y I totally understand, I am happy if you are there and involved, but do what is best for you always”
And that is a very very good friend. I am lucky for that. But my mother made such a big deal about how good people are hard to come by, and how so many people out there are bad or “users” that perhaps knowing that I have this good friend, I feel the need to give back more. Maybe that is apart of it. But in rational mind and reality, I am a wonderful friend right back to her, and it has nothing to do with how much we physically see each other. I know this.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Makes perfect sense. I see how they are 2 different groups – but also intertwined, in the sense of “what makes CC tick.”
The combo of what made mother happy and what made CC happy being difficult to differentiate, and even when differentiated, much overlap.
After I typed that out to you I was able to have some clarity:
There are of course changes that come with maturity and adulthood, and it is natural to miss that “younger carefree time with friends” the times that I used to walk over S’s apartment in Philadephia after a long day in med school and we would cook some noodles and chat for hours on end – true quality time. Of course we all miss our friends, because the older we get the more our priorities change.
I think it is funny that we brought this up – as just a moment ago S texted me and said: so what’s the birthday plan?
My birthday is Oct 7.
I think most people – including MYSELF- are used to me having a birthday party, people, fun, drinks, music – a fun affair. I think I am getting used to the idea that I now do enjoy quieter times. Such as spending the weekend at the beach with my husband and the dog, or my sister as well – or perhaps a friend or 2, but not a huge plan.
It was ironic she texted me that, as it brought our whole conversation into play. I replied to her:
“not sure yet, but no big plans this year.”
I thought about how instantly I took this question to feel pressured…Oh she’s asking me maybe i should invite her to nyc and have a get together for my bday.
But when I thought about it again I said: what does CC want? She wants no big plan. So I realize it is just a friend being kind and asking.
Any pressure related to the scenario is self induced because CC has been focused on outer circle for so long. And that is okay.
It is all okay.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Okay I will write what comes to mind, mind thoughts:
“oh I she hasn’t been over! she has visited her other friends in nyc, but haven’t had achance to stay with me – i miss that time, i wanna make time for it.
but counter thought – husband and I don’t have full weekends for people to visit anytime soon, and summer was crazy, she gets that, she never asks, it’s just in my own head
another one…
“oh i miss my quality time with her, i know we never will lose touch we have a strong bond, but i miss our quality time together, we had so much fun last week together – i want to schedule more soon. i guess it isn’t about losing touch it’s just missing that quality time.
“i feel bad that she hasn’t been over, she is so good about making time and scheduling around me, i feel bad i haven’t been able to give her a whole weekend in over a year.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I think you’re right – CC isn’t rushing anywhere anymore.
Yet, that feeling compelled to at times – it definitely does lead to discomfort. Not the type of discomfort in which I feel I HAVE to do something, but more so that concept of: “this is what I usually do.”
I told you I saw my friend S, from college – the one that is having the wedding next year that when I described, gave you a headache, you and me both!
Ever since I saw her, I have had many thoughts about how I should invite her to stay with me in NYC for a weekend. She has said it nicely and normally how when I am free she will visit. She lives in Philadelphia. She has never mentioned it in an odd way.
But it’s me – I take this casual thing that a person may say and think: “oh wow I haven’t spent quality time with her in a long tine, I SHOULD.” Yes, a part of it is that I do miss spending time with her, and she is a close friend. But moreover, it is this sense of something pushing me to make plans with her.
It’s the push that I am speaking of. The push is what I don’t want. The way I would WANT to be is this:
“it was great hanging out with her, and I am busy now, but in the future it will be nice to do it again.”
No pressure on myself – no lingering feeling of push or guilt
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
The key point being :
child witnesses her mother getting positively excited over the prospect of CC going to another home
CC believes to make her mother happy, she must continues these endeavors.
When she is an adult, even if her mother is not in the picture – it is deeply ingrained. Go elsewhere – make mom happy – you must, to make mom happy.
Now, current CC is not just tired, she is bitter. Bitter that she had to keep going elsewhere to make mom happy! And even if she did, mom never WAS HAPPY! But she can’t turn it off.
She is sick and tired, and wish she didn’t have this deeply ingrained.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Your last post to me yesterday was a perfect “sum up” of what has been going on. I took time to read it a few times, and I would like to go over it again here.
1. “protecting my time”- your use of the verb to-protect, suggests that people have been taking your time away from you without your consent, stealing it from you. When your mother gave you the job of “super friend” (as you labeled it today), and as you executed the job, she (and her mental rep in your brain) have been stealing your time.
Her mental rep continues and this is why it feels that constantly there is still “something” stealing my time. Because her rep of course is still there, not blaring in the front line anymore of course – but still hovering in the back line.
I thought about this on the way home from work yesterday, and to work today. Crowded subway, everyone going this way and that. Everyone too busy for their own selves let alone others. The concept of making time for yourself first. How this is taught by many parents, the concept of self protection. If it is not taught outright, children model it from their parents. A visual comes to mind: “mommy can I go play with so and so….mom replies: yes but first we have to have family dinner since your father is coming home early.”
Child reads: having dinner with daddy is first, then friends second
I wasn’t taught this. My sister wasn’t taught this. It would have went like this:
“mommy can I go play with so and so…mom replies: oh yes, she invited you?! go go! it’s good they finally invited you go, don’t worry about dinner, come home whenever.”
Child reads: wow my gosh, so important that so and so invited me, how important, I am excited to go.
That is it. Nothing about priorities above that child read, and absolutely nothing about family first.
Family is thrown to the corner when friend calls.
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I will end this post here, and have you reply to this first. In my next post I will talk about the rest of your conversation yesterday afternoon. So I can focus my mind on each concept (of course they are all intertwined).
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Great exercise/idea – well timed.
The current me, what comes to mind:
I am in a state of transition. I am a social being, but also heavily burnt out – and so have developed quite a good sense of protecting my time. Yet, I often do still feel guilt of not being that “extender” that makes plans with friends always. This has been my persona for so long, and so it will take time. I notice I do have glimpses of fear – of not doing that. I analyze it, and some of it is related to the concept of: “oh will I lose all my friends if I don’t try.” But then I know it isn’t true. The other is simply feeling it is my duty.
I always have been very good/excellent at any job I was given, and so it feels odd to not “excel” at the job of being super friend.
This is a key point, and it will take discomfort on my end to slowly relinquish this fear/guilt/uneasiness about this change – perhaps you have more to add to that, Anita…
So back to definition, I am going to close my eyes and type:
I am strong, tired and bright. Tired and bright at the same time. I have a pep in my step but a worn out soul at the same time. I am in transition of being a strong worry free adult. Someone who does whatever she wants, chooses who she wants, when she wants, without guilt or shame. So happy and confident in her decisions to promote inner circle, that nothing can get in her way.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
That anecdote about breakfast is a perfect one, I can relate to that well.
And I like the point about how it requires that discomfort, at first, and in the beginning – to create a new practice.
I always think back to when you said, if others don’t notice, you aren’t doing it enough/or changed enough/or different enough.
The concept of: it has to be a true change that either elicits discomfort within myself, or is seen in the other party as: “hmm oh thats not like her.”
I notice that the SCC persona bobs her head in often saying: do this, do that – that’s what you do.
And I have to remind myself that the definition of me is now ever changing.
Cali ChicaParticipantit doesn’t have the patience to stay present for each one of the steps. It rushes through.
This! I always feel like my brain is rushing ahead and too “fast” for myself to focus on a task such as folding a shirt and putting it away, it is racing ahead – and those small tasks can’t keep up so to speak – making them seem very difficult to do.
Thank you for noting my neat writing. I am very well aware of my patterns these days. Not to say its always so predictable.
I know now that about 10 days before my period I truly suffer. This is PMDD, it is an unofficial diagnosis. I also know that it isn’t out of nowhere – as I am predisposed to feeling worse during these days given my baseline anxiety and trauma. I also know that certain months I feel worse during times that are entirely unrelated to my cycle – and that is the nature of the path.
Regardless, understanding PMDD has been instrumental. My Gyn and I discussed an SSRI for use 10-14 days out of the month. Some studies have shown immediate effect of these medications for PMDD. And intermittent dosing allows the brain to have a break from using the medication daily. As you know I have been on Lexapro in the past for about 9 months. No clue as to if it helped as during that time – yes THAT time, year before wedding, things were so insane it is impossible to gauge.
I would be open to this dosing of this medication if I do find that this cyclical feeling becomes even more unbearable – and leads to too much suffering. I am glad to have this option in my “toolbox.”
I notice that even in my writing to you, I am MUCH more frenzied during certain times – sometime they may coincide with this cycle, sometimes of course not, as life happens. People can be triggering, jobs can be stressful, too many weddings, too many cousins. Too much of Super Cali Chica. Too much too much!
As we discussed yesterday, it has been helpful for myself to let go of the concept of “doing more.” To try to reach out and seek more. Doing less is just what the doctor ordered for me, isn’t it.
It feels nice to know that I do understand now, what you have been saying for a while now – stop seeking. The first step is knowing and understanding, before regular practice. Then the concept and life changes can be appreciated.
Sink and savor.
Inner circle.
Calm the frenzy, don’t rush.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Good Morning!
The reason I brought up something as mundane as deep cleaning my apartment to you – is that this has felt like an insurmountable task for me. It is something that is obviously a basic task – but as I have mentioned to you – I have had trouble focusing on small things such as putting clothes away etc – my whole life.
I used to say I have ADHD, being able to do something very large quite easily, say write and submit an essay – but go to the kitchen and have trouble putting away the water bottle where it belonged. Small task avoidance in some ways. This is not an unknown issue – as many people do write about this – but it sure is a pain.
Over this past year I have tried to become more cognizant of it. I notice, as always, the state of my mind is the state of my home.
The more frenzied my brain is – the more frenzied my organization is. All in all our home is always clean and tidy – I am talking about things such as allowing clothes to go unfolded in my drawers, and being frenzied about putting stuff away.
So yesterday I tackled the large task of deep cleaning, dusting, scrubbing, very cathartic – also very tiring. I was able to do this without any issue! I worked for about 3 hours, and was very pleased with myself and the result. It sounds so silly even writing about this – but I am glad to know my attention was focused, and now I can go home to a nice squeaky clean apartment. My husband was glad too when he arrived home.
It is nice to see myself focus on inner tasks. Tasks that promote my well being, and that of my husband. I am trying to do a better job of focusing less on the lives of others, and more on my own life.
Inner circle, as you said in July is key. That wraps up everything. I hope to continue to practice this.
I want to work on focusing more on my own life, perhaps I will do some exercises in this regard today.
I hope you are having a good morning when you wake up, and enjoy that extra strong coffee.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Moroccan fresh mint tea is my ALL TIME favorite, oh how I miss it – haven’t been able to have the same type back in the states.
I agree with your plan, and I will enjoy the orange slices as well – share your treat.
I do think one day I will be able to help and show and motivate. I used to have anxiety and pressure about this, why am I not doing more – why am I not building more? I should make more use of my ability to speak and help others.
And now- I say no. Right now is the time to learn to relax and heal. To do less.
when the time comes, and I know it will be right -as I will feel it – then and only then, will I do more…
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I love the lavender essence in Earl Grey! I am a huge fan of soothing smells like lavender, I even have some fresh lavender I add to earl grey as a special treat when I have time, like on a weekend. Do you have it with a splash of milk like the Brits do? I do! Maybe we can enjoy some Earl Grey tea together when we meet, no…Red wine with some orange slices – much better choice!
Can’t heal though unless you successfully do what she didn’t do
No more roaring Cali Chica. Especially since we learned what a big root of the roar is from, the feeling of powerlessness.
I see now that power doesn’t have to be aggressive. Being assertive is not aggressive, it is effective communication.
Having power doesn’t mean attempting to power OVER, it means harnessing my human-granted-self power that we all deserve. Allowing myself to manifest this innate power that we all have and deserve.
Speaking your truth, effectively, without guilt – watching how that makes you feel – rinse and repeat
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I don’t drink coffee daily, as I tend to get headaches easily, and withdrawal headaches if I am on it daily.
Wow, you are a strong coffee drinker!
I won’t likely drink strong coffee before cleaning, I am SO sensitive to caffeine. I used to drink caffeine daily throughout medical school and residency – but still very sensitive. So perhaps a nice Early Grey tea before cleaning to give me a boost.
Sometimes caffeine can make me very jittery and tense, emulating that activation/excitation that as we know is distressing.
I thought a lot about our exchange from yesterday, great topic that was brought up. Emotional regulation.
I thought a lot about moments where I was unable to emotionally regulate. Often looking back and thinking that the person triggering me was so severe that I could not let the concept go. But now realizing that regardless, it is my own capability to regulate to the next neutral. It is a must – not to say it is easy.
To be able to dim the switch back down reduces distress, and creates a neutral peaceful environment. I have an even greater appreciation for that now after what we spoke about.
I also think about the concept of not allowing distress to boil over. Containing it. If someone was irritating at work, allowing it to brush off before say heading onto the subway. If someone was irritating on the subway, allowing it to brush off before heading into the house — etc.
How important these concepts are for controlling my OWN distress, not to mention not project onto my husband.
I didn’t realize – as I have mentioned before- that I actually had CONTROL over these things. I grew up believing that if i felt a certain way, that’s just how it was. I hear the mother voice saying: “well of course I feel this way, look what happened!!!” roaring with agony and entitlement.
So that’s how it went — Now, not to say that I haven’t been extremely resilient in my life. But the rumination and inability to contain distress is quite a new thing for me. edit: as in the ability to control rumination and ability to have contain
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