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Dear Anita,
My awareness about this issue is coming in small segments, the more I write to you, read your responses – etc – so sorry if it is fragmented.
I see the deeper issue, it is about her, but no really about her only. It’s about the concept. People treat you however they want, they have no shame often (some people).
Yet i have guilt in so many sectors of my life. My upbringing has filled me with guilt and anxiety. So that even in situations like this, guilt is predominant – putting my foot down and creating a boundary is difficult with these types yes – for many.
But to be so bogged down by it, like I am – shows me the deeper issue of “owing people something” that you touched upon.
no, I do not owe her anything. In fact we, as free agents, don’t owe many people anything. and the moment we feel it is no longer a win-win, we have the RIGHT to choose otherwise.
yet that right feels foreign to me, the ability to make that choice – without guilt.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
on further thought – there’s a lot I can’t stand anymore – I have a low tolerance.
perhaps that makes me easily triggered. perhaps because I have dealt with so much, and just in the beginning of my marriage.
perhaps I shouldn’t judge myself – and do only what serves me.
I do wonder in a way why I can NOT do say, what you said, go with the glitter when I feel like it. My husband mentioned something like this – don’t expect much from her, and know where she stands, but you can spend time with her if it works out for you, and you’re up for it.
makes sense, what he said, and you said. and it feels that I almost don’t have the ability to have this regulation. my way does seem quite: all or nothing…
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
yes.
You can’t stand dishonesty anymore
yes, that is it. i do judge myself slightly for it – but in the same breath feel strongly that this is the case.
instead I should accept that this path IS about honesty – and perhaps my guidelines are stricter than the average joe, but so is my path…
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Glitter is right! always a good time, great time. fun groups she is in, and activities.
The thing is Anita – I thought I could do this. But I can’t. I find myself suffering even if I simply reply to a text. It may even sound dramatic to an outsider.
What I am telling myself (you) is that her very presence irks me now, presence as in, her fake ways of acting like she isn’t the selfish person she is.
Based on what I was reading yesterday – I think of it like this—
if you are healing from the cancer that is a toxic parent, best not to come across irritants while your immune system is low. take time to heal and get your immune system back on track.
perhaps I simply can not handle anyone with the slightest bit of toxicity, unpredictability, selfishness – perhaps I feel so so triggered these days, my threshold is non-existent.
perhaps there’s no space for glitter without substance – perhaps only room for the path and substance…
what do you think?
- This reply was modified 5 years, 10 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
wow, how interesting I defined mother subjectively without thought. it shows me that perhaps I do not even know the objective definition, or really spent any time thinking about it. I will think about this today.
I did some reading last night, about boundaries – and it brought up the concept of definitions to me.
I had some distress last night about that flakey friend, let’s call her N. It almost feels silly to be so affected by someone who is not a large part of my life. But as I analyzed further, I realize it is her treatment of me and others that gets me – but more so – how I went along with it. I am by no means a pushover, but I would allow this person to be flakey, because of a few reasons.
N is the kind of person that when she is on she is ON. she is your bestest friend, there for you, making sure you’re comfortable, showering you with gifts even – a planner, the person who will throw you the best party, and show you the best time.
on the flip side, when it’s not convenient to her, she is nowhere to be found, excuses, and always putting it on you. quick to cancel, and shameless. with an amazing manipulative ability to never have any accountability. and absolutely no shame, when she bounces back being ON again (like nothing happened).
she lives in NYC now, and has been contacting me, but only to spend time where and how is convenient to her. shameless in presenting it, and with an easygoing tone. to sidetrack the person, me, who wouldn’t think twice.
now that I am on the path, and my priority is my husband – I thought wait a minute. this person gives me a terrible feeling even with a small text – why oh why – as a free agent would I entertain having her in my life.
i think about how she was amazing during my wedding, helping to coordinate my engagement surprise party with my husband. and many other things. and perhaps some of my “allegiance” towards her is feeling indebted, or seeing past the bad.
I notice how I suffer even just writing this, feeling tense.
This woman brings suffering. She may have good moments, and be your very best friend, but all in all she is a terrible person.
What makes me not immediately just block her and cut her off? why even give her any time? 6 months ago when I gave her a second chance, she made plans with me just to cancel the night before…
why would someone like this hold real estate in my mind and body — as a free agent…it wouldn’t make sense
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I was tired today, I am tired today. But I would like to write. It is in times when we feel exhausted and defeated that we can look at our villains in the face. We can say enough – don’t torture me.
But who is it that is the “torturer.”
Often it feels like one’s own mind. Our mind agonizing, creating fear, our own self sabotage. But as you dig further – and you learn your patterns, it becomes obvious that we are tortured by all that does not serve us. To stay on this path. Our inner self, our “being” I will call it – it knows very well what we need. and so all else outside of that will continue to torture us until we listen.
Sometimes I find that this may be too simplistic. “so what – cut everything out?” “so what – live in a cocoon?”
But I see today, that often (in many cases) it doesn’t have to be all or nothing. The way that my mother taught me, the way that many unstable people think. That it is love or hate, good or bad. Of course, as spoken earlier, i was either good daughter, or horrible. Was there ever space for me to just be? Was there ever space for me at all?
And that is just it. I notice I need space for me. Space for what? For everything and nothing.
I was fed this delusion, believe this delusion, that because it was always about me – the golden child, the child who always got it right, the adult who succeeded, who never failed, was always liked, blah blah, etc etc. —- I believe that because all of this I had plenty of space for me. In fact TOO much even perhaps. But it is false. I had no space at all, because intricately woven into all this was my mother and the mother voice. It is a giraffe learning to walk, but carrying the dead weight of his mother before he even learns his first step properly. It is being on the podium to speak to accept an award, but being most concerned how to thank your mother. It is being told I am lucky and have it all, and feeling guilty that despite all this I was not happy – and being ridiculed about this – the irony.
No, there was never space for me. All of this, all of the above is simply life steps. They are not wholesome, they are not powerful, they are not healing. They do nothing for a human or a soul. I could have been in a concentration camp, or flying to the moon. My mother had control of the real estate that is me.
So you feel angry, and want to stay away from anyone or anything that smells like poison even the slightest.
But it doesn’t always work that way. And as an adult, we need to avoid, but also learn new tactics. Unlearn the faulty, and learn the useful.
And the way to gain that in this modern world – is not always going to be cutting things out, or living in a cocoon. But what it will be are boundaries. Good old solid boundaries.
unwavering. Yes, Anita I always did admire those that are unwavering. In many ways – I was too. Look how unwavering in support for my mother until just a year or 2 ago. Look how unwavering at keeping ties that did nothing good for me.
Yet, how WAVERING to the things that matter, my own definitions of good and bad. That at the age of 33 I am JUST starting to define them. No fault of my own – it is the way it is.
It feels fearful to be unwavering with boundaries. Why? Fear came from the place of my mother. “if you don’t do this, you will be alone.”
good is not here, it is over there. no there.. no not here. keep going —over there.
It will take a long time to undo this. It does not feel natural at times. It feels wrong, or rude. But my mother told me to denounce what is here, and jump to over there.
Well there is nothing at all over there. I checked. And I know now.
So hopefully my trust of this will follow…
- This reply was modified 5 years, 10 months ago by Cali Chica.
- This reply was modified 5 years, 10 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantHello Anita,
Let me work on defining:
“mother”, “father”, “sister”, “husband” I will think this over.
for now
mother = deranged individual with lack of awareness of personal trauma and mental history – therefore uses daughters as a means to alleviate personal distress, and find value in own empty life
father = an individual that did not grow into an adult and know his own self before being married off due to culture constraints, and angry man with lack of self awareness, that would never have gotten married to my mother if it was his choice, or perhaps to anyone at all — over time and trauma in their marriage- became a puppet on strings to survive the wrath that is my mother
sister = a troubled girl, with difficulty defining who she is as a person, and her place in the world. as a result she comes off to the world as something quite different than what she perceives her own self. someone who is struggling and suffering, and this energy is quite palpable around her
husband = a loving, selfless man with unwavering support in every sector. an optimist by nature, that can be disappointed and defeated if time and again his good gestures and hope for the world continue to be shattered and misused
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
It is stupid isn’t it. Almost like a broken record. Something doesn’t serve you (me) and you still seek it or attend to it, and then suffer.
Then again. And again.
Perhaps because of deep ingrained ideas of what is “good and bad” and “right and wrong”
Clearly – it starts from the definition. My OWN dictionary definition. Perhaps I can spend some time creating this new dictionary.
Let me start here:
-good company = those who do not create distress or feeling of guilt in me
-good use of time = rewarding and productive, leading to either joy, relaxation, or not negating a good baseline state
-good people interaction = that of a win win situation, something positive for me, and something positive for me
There is no virtue in giving and giving and running yourself ragged. you don’t get a prize. no you don’t
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Wow, I am going to highlight key aspects from your last post here – so I can further savor it.
- When so tired as you are, think of the basics: there is this one person, Cali Chica, in legal and somewhat practical partnership with this man, your husband
- Between now and then, why not make life as simple as possible.
- Why not eliminate loyalties based on genetics and base loyalty instead, on win-win partnerships
- Why not exit old familial roles and choose as if you were a free agent-
In essence, why don’t I let go of anything and anyone who does not serve me on this path – why not?
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I wanted to re-read your New Years day post and comment.
I have thought about the concept that others have their own distressing pathway. in fact there is a “friend” from college that now lives close to me here in nyc. i have mentioned her before, as someone who is flakey and unreliable. she is a fair weather friend, wonderful and all about you when convenient to her – no where to be found when its about her – everything is revolved around her life and schedule.
well anyway since i’ve moved shes been pretty persistent about meeting up, but of course only when shes in the area, and her new bf is available. she makes it a huge point that i have to meet him, a lot of which is that she wants to “show off” and show how happy she is – it feels. i notice how she has her own distress. moreover, i notice how i feel anxious and tense even if i get a text from her. her distressing energy (although masked) does rub off – even via technology! i notice that before i would judge this about me.
this time around, no matter how simple the plan – i feel toxicity from her end. even if it is a simple hello. i don’t have space in my life for this – and so I know, like you stated, everyone has their own distress – and for now, or perhaps forever, when avoidable – i would like to stay away from that energy.
when fear is so strong in us. We live in a frenzy and dust disrupts our vision.
yes, so well said. dust disrupts our vision. that is why it is even more important for the dust to settle. let i settle, so we may regain our vision, or at least see a little clearer after wiping some dust.
you wrote:
This is very common, parents criticizing their children, minor and adult, for all kinds of supposed character faults that really are the results, or consequences of their own actions. And we do criticize each other, other people for character faults that were born as unavoidable consequences of their early experience, their parents’ actions.
this helped me gain some perspective, how true this is. and how much more compassion I must have, for a loved one (my husband) when I see he does not see things the way I do innately. His upbringing was ENTIRELY different from mine – and so his baseline approach and way of dealing with people and life is such. I understand this, but I do not always respect this.
Definitions are changing. And it takes time. Mostly the ingrained idea of he would she be our own self. Self pressure. But if we self trust, and see what our inner compass is telling us – we can learn a lot. Do I need to be doing this right now? Do I need to be saying this right now? Do I need to be interacting with this person right now?
Most often – the answer is NO – when you are in the healing phase. That I must and will respect.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I hope the beginning of the new year has been treating you well. I have taken my time to reply as I wanted the dust the settle.
>Often after an epiphany, great idea, or awakening there is a high. A euphoria a feeling of invincibility or just a plain “ah ha” moment.
Yet, after the dust settles does this persist? What happens when the nights get cold, work gets hard, and it know longer feels new and glorious.
“>Well that is when the reality of the change presents. Does the change persist – or is it backpeddled into old habits? Did procrastination take over? Does the epiphany even have value anymore?>In my case the understanding of my sister – and number 2 was this realization. This wasn’t a glorious jubilee. This is real life. This is the reality of the trauma, torment, and dysfunction that is my family. That is above all – my mother first- and all else that follows.
>I will say Anita- it has been incredibly difficult. A huge setback. It feels as though we are back there when we were tackling number one. Anger. Resentment. Harboring of negativity.
“>Well it makes sense. As this is the second part. It must be attended to – and it’s not going to be pretty.
>I know 100 percent that what we spoke about is true. And in fact I feel much better when I hardly communicate with my sister at all. The proof is in the pudding. So much of my interaction with her was based out of guilt, desperation, and obligation. Yes, the times we had “fun” were simply just breaks from dysfunction. No it’s not really ever fun. I don’t find her funny. I don’t enjoy her stories anymore. I am not guiding her path.
I have let her free. Sure she will be in my life in some way. But NO where to the degree she was just a few weeks ago. She doesn’t fit. And neither do I. It simply does not work.>My husband and I have wounds from this number 2 as well – along with the plethora from number 1, the saga that is my parents. We have separate wounds he and I. And joint ones.
>Or separate ones consist of his unwavering support of my family and sister, but it being a bottomless pit that keeps taking – an emotionally exhausting and deprecating way to live. Mine are – well that’s a whole other thing. Our joint ones – are anger. Resentment.
>That we can travel all over the world and feel some semblance of “relaxation” and come back to what. To drama. Trauma. Ridiculousness.To come back to emotional exhaustion.
>So yes we can heal and rebuild. But how many times? The ups and downs.
My sleep is better than when I was very involved with my sister before the new year. It is not great and that will take time or perhaps will always be a struggle. It is better. Which I am glad about.
>I worked very hard over the past few months to release negativity, anger, resentment, “snapping” irritability. It is a day in and day out project of awareness and patience. And I made progress. I did.
“>Now I am back. I must start again. Because I feel just as I did before any progress.
And that makes me even more frustrated. It sure does.
>But I shall persist. So will my husband. But I am tired. I am so so tired.- This reply was modified 5 years, 10 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Good Morning! I have read your 1/1 post many times, and allowed it to sink and savor. I have thought a lot about the concept of letting the dust settle.
I am grateful for our conversations that led up to the New Year. Although I know that you can always have a “fresh start” “new beginning” “awakening” at any time – it is nice when new awareness coincides with the advent of a New Year.
I want to write more about your post this evening, I am off to the second day of my new job in NYC! It feels good, and many other things – look forward to sharing more soon
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita, I am having a beautiful cup of tea. I hope that you are having your own version of such, or whatever makes you happy. Speak tomorrow, happy new year. Happiest of New Year’s to you
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Sink and savor, like a cup of tea – steeping. It takes time for the tea’s essence to infuse, it takes great temperature to extract.
You can’t get a cup of tea without that heat, time to steep, and cool down process. No, you can not – it is necessary.
So then how can thoughts and concepts sink in, steep in, without the same dedicated process. They can not.
It is unreasonable to think that new teaching and concepts can quickly pass you (me) by and stick – and stay. It is no fault of mine that they don’t, as they would not for anyone in this manner. There must be time to steep.
For so many years, since adolescence – I would find myself coming across values, goals, and teachings that I “admired.” Perhaps it was the way a friend handled a situation. Perhaps something I read. Most likely random delusions fed from my mother. All sorts of things. Some of them innocent enough, some of them quite false and self deprecating.
So I would come across something. Say – “oh look at her she doesn’t feel the need to go out on a Friday, she seems so comfortable staying in and relaxing in her own company.” I should do that. I should be like that. Why aren’t I like that.
So the thought or concept is flung onto me, and without any time to process, observe, or understand- it’s quickly flung back out as – “something I should be.” And this happened for all sorts of things. Ideas of who I wanted to be, what I should be doing.
But we can not expect ideas to bounce off of us like tennis balls, and stick for good. We are only human. I am only human.
Never did it occur to me, Anita, that people take time to let things settle. “let the dust settle” — or let life settle. Let it sink in.
Here I am, after all these years of schooling and training, you would think I would know the value of taking time and dedication. Well, not exactly. I never prioritized taking the time to do things in a way that was best suited for me, or my mental health.. What did that even mean? I just did them, on a whim, on the fly – it always worked out – the results and outcome always presented itself – so what was so wrong?
My sanity, my nerves, my being. Who I truly am is buried in the frenzy. It was buried in the dust – I never let the dust settle. I never let the tea bag steep, no I chugged it all at once instantly – wondering why I ended up with a scalded tongue year after year.
It felt wrong to take the time to let it steep. It felt unnecessary, or guilt-worthy, or perhaps a luxury I did not have.
Interestingly, my father’s biggest gripe about me was exactly this – I never take the time to do things, I am always rushing. Here and there everywhere, physically and mentally. Oh how ironic, the people who put the most immense pressure on me to do all and be superhuman and attend to their mental health, also berate me routinely for being frenzied, and never taking the time to steep. No wonder it was always a conflict. No wonder I couldn’t look at it with clarity. It wasn’t a simple, let me slow down – it came with baggage, repercussions, and feelings of guilt and obligation.
Burden.
And that’s just it. I see what is burdensome now. I see who is burdensome now, what people or types of people. What scenarios, or types of situations. I see them this way because – I do. Not because of what I should do. But the hard part is the follow through. To recognize what feels this way, and stick with it. To not give in to instant gratification, patterns, guilt, and “shoulds.”
Because when I do, I then beat myself up over this – and the vicious cycle continues. Recognizing what is right, not going along with it, and then hating myself even more.
But if you set yourself up to fail, time and again – you are destined to live in a cycle of sabotage. And allowing people and scenarios that don’t serve you, or bring out what you need at this time – takes away from your ability to thrive – it sets you up to fail. So then why do it? As above, because of instinct, innate patterns, and fear.
Fear of not doing enough, fear of not being who I “should” be, and fear of not being a “good” girl.
Well then – perhaps the definitions have to change. What is good what is bad. What is right what is wrong.
Because in my book today, good and right – is what FEELS good and right. That is simply it. My moral and internal gauge is enough of a compass.
I know now what is good and right, I just have to allow myself to sink and savor, to steep for a while.
I may only do this if I create an environment in which I have the clarity to do so. When I can set myself up to thrive and feel great.
sometimes you just have to let yourself steep, no other effort required – because with a little bit of time, and some hot water, you have yourself an excellent cup of tea.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you so much for checking up on me. Sorry for the delayed reply, but I do know that you are are a few hours behind in time zone I think.
I feel incredibly better, almost like a 180. I wanted to actually talk to you about that. If this was about a year ago, I would attribute this as ups and downs, almost like a “bipolar” sort of way of feeling. One day super low distress, and the next day super high and OK. Of course, ups and downs all the time or not a great way to exist. But I see things like this differently now, now that I am on the path.
I see anxiety, although not useful or productive, can be an indicator – only when we know our self. When we know our self well. There is a different between acute and chronic anxiety. Just like in medicine with acute and chronic disease. I suffer from chronic anxiety for obvious reasons and background. And of course some days are better than others. This is a background state.
But what I experienced recently was acute. It was terrible. It was distress disproportionate to my current “state of life.” In short – it was an alarm.
It was a state of dis-ease that was alarming me to something – that something must change. Find it fix it. It must change. And so you try and you try. But nope it persists.
But then there is you. And our dialogue. And it is like being on the brink of solving an algebraic equation but not having the mental capacity (due to confusion and distress). So your trusted friend jumps in and finished to the right of the equal sign.
And that is just it.
Good girl = Bad wife
that’s just it. No wonder it feels like I can’t do both no wonder I feel an automatic pull to help even at the detriment at my own personal life. O wonder! Oh it makes so much sense Anita. I explained this to my husband today – and it made great sense to him too. And the next part of not helping.
And yes. This is #2 struggle. There is one and two. Sure life will throw me more lemons and hurdles. But that’s life. That is not 1 and 2. No those are extraordinarily difficult circumstances that are brought to me only as a result of my trouhled, traumatized, and warped upbringing.
All else is the rest of the world. The rest of life. I have the power and means to tackle this world only when I can be me. And this is only when I resolve 1, and now 2.
It makes sense and it is quite beautiful. Beautiful because it is- simplicity and …truth.
Thank you once again for helping me see the truth. As you have said – the truth will set you free.
- This reply was modified 5 years, 10 months ago by Cali Chica.
- This reply was modified 5 years, 10 months ago by Cali Chica.
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