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Cali ChicaParticipant
Dear Anita,
Believing what this true is a big part of healing I see. What is really true, not the memory plugged in my mind. I have been doing an exercise yesterday that helped a lot.
I would see something which would ignite a memory. I would then observe what comes to mind but dig deeper and see the true reality. I would then remind myself the whole memory, not just the first thought.
For example I saw an ice cream truck on our walk. First thing – oh my mom used to always take us. Full thing – oh my mom always said how she ran as fast as she could with us to the ice cream truck, she mentions it into adulthood. Normal. No. What she did is not an act of god and to repeat it as to get credit for it cheapens the experience.
To see the reality is liberating. To accept it is key
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I see something. My distress is this:
Seeing something as it is in reality (annoying, not for me, upsetting) but not allowing myself to go with what I Intrinsically want to do (stop talking, step back, not engage). I don’t want to care half the time but I force myself to.
This creates distress. Just like when I was a child sensing fear from seeing how horrific my mother is but unable to escape. Same. Instead sense fear and react. Do what you want to do. There is no shoulds.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Enjoy your time away. I will continue to post when something arises.
I felt a good release after I posted above. A small little feeling of letting that control go. I’m not sure if it will stick – time will tell and practice makes perfect.
I find myself annoyed at myself when I over share or get over involved. But I am looking at the root. And above I wrote of my feeling to not be this way now.
The root is my mother and then my sister. It doesn’t matter why. Why is irrelevant when the action creates harm. But here I was always thinking for my sister. Even parenting an inadequate mother. And then my sister. A helpless child that had the role of victim for many years. Someone who felt that all she had was me. How much pressure. Who cares why. It’s too much and not possible for one person to take that all on. The energy of both are draining. My sister has improved tremendously for which I am going. But she is not a well adjusted girl given her upbringing. She still doesn’t know her place in the world and does not have very many strong relationships of her own. This creates a feeling of me to overcompensate for that and be that person for her. I am slowly starting to see she is fine. She can handle her own. I don’t need to be her sounding board or advice giver. She can learn from her own mistakes.
She is showing improvement which is good.
So on the note of my previous posts. My mom taught me not only focus on others but to be overly involved with them. When you are overly involved you also invite more annoyance. You find yourself hearing about things that can be bothersome and then they’ll also have opinions about my life. Why let them? They’re not worthy. Most people aren’t. How many times have I been social with someone out of habit (an old friend I no longer have anything in common with) just to be annoyed at the conversation or her opinion. So why talk at all? Out of fear of losing that friend. That’s not even a friend it’s a random stranger you used to know.
The value of others is based on what I want. I don’t want to value others so much. They don’t need my help. So I don’t have to offer it. With close people sure I’m always there. That’s it.
So I don’t want to answer your question with a thoughtful response always. I want to just be like okay great. Or fine. Maybe I don’t want to say anything at all. Why? Because what you’re talking about isn’t really interesting. Because what you’re talking about is annoying. And I am allowed to choose if I wanna engage.
That’s it. To engage or not to engage is up to me. It doesn’t dictate how i value friendships. It doesn’t dictate how i value myself. No. It doesn’t dictate how my future is either. By trying extra doesn’t prevent “loss” in the future. Who the heck made up that?! My stupid mother – well look how that worked out for her. She had no one and never will because she’s miserable and unlovable.
So why would I follow advice from a know it all who had nothing at all? Wow. Everything she taught me is wrong. If it is right it just happens to be right in the universe. Even a wrong clock is correct twicE a day.
I find myself still ever so slightly protecting certain things I grew up thinking. Some of which are because I believe them. And some of which are habit. An example is focus on good home cooked Indian cooking as being a very healthy cuisine. Sure yes made appropriately it is healthy. But this isn’t some profound think my mom taught me. She’s not a cooking god. This is something that is known in my culture and in the western world as well. And she hardly cooked! As we got older she made it a point that she didn’t have to cook because my dad brought home food all the time. So therefore she was priveleged. But yet touting the benefits of great home cooked meals! You can’t have both woman! What a hypocrite. Feeding us leftovers and showing off you’re lucky you don’t have to do much but forcing understanding of food culture. So I only focus on one part. But I must bring my brain back to both. The reality that I don’t know what it’s like to grow up with good home cooked Indian food after the age of 12. And my mom was all talk. Say that out loud. The more I don’t the more I believe the lie. She was a master liar and fed us lies and we spoke those to ourselves and others. I think j still do.
Next time I think about good. Indian food. I shouldn’t think yes I was taught this is good for you. I should think – I know nothing about it. My mom taught me nothing valuable. Yes I would love to learn about it now on my own and with the help of good authentic people who have the knowledge about it. Not a liar.
I want to reprogram my memories. Not Just focus on one part.
I have value for the fact that I speak 2 languages equally fluently. English and my native language. But – what came with that. My mother’s extreme judgement of other kids who don’t. Her feeling that since she did such a good job as a mother doing that she didn’t have to do other things ?!you can’t pick and choose what qualities to give to a child and then Pat yourself on the back. She didn’t pick and choose she did nothing.
Anything of value I learned is just by chance. That’s it.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
To add. My whole life I went out of the way to extend myself. To think on behalf of others. Sure some may say well that’s what I chose to do. But I didn’t choose anything. The role I played as an adult was formed as a child. Was from my mother. She didn’t have appropriate mother abities and did not think appropriately for herself. So as I grew older and more intelligent for her and for myself. Thus I always thought about how other people should be living their life. Well it doesn’t end there. This “habit” edyrned to others. I am always overly interested in what my friends are going through and overly concerned about their issues. Almost like an obsession. Unable to disconnect. This isn’t altruism. This is an addiction. An addiction my mom placed. Something that she made me think was vital to be a good human. Help fix her. Well I can’t fix her. I can’t fix anyone. First of all I can hardly fix myself. The more connected I am with all of you the less I am with me. So it’s not my duty.
I am not a super friend. It’s more that I am super obsessed with being involved. Because my life was based on others. My worth was based on others. My mother taught me that my life is nothing unless it is about others. She taught me not to respect my sole self but only in relation to what is around it. What is associated with it. Well respect is a baseline. With or without things attached. That’s it. Respect is no strings attached.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Some thoughts. From a child or perhaps maybe just intrinsic me. Either way:
I don’t want to help people anymore. As in go out of my way to. It is exhausting. I don’t want to offer advice. I don’t want to give my opinion. I can do my job which requires helping people but to the level it has to be done well. I don’t feel that I want to over do it like I always have. If someone asks me what I think. I want to say that’s fine. I don’t want to go into a whole explanation and personal opinion. That’s it. I don’t want to make it personal. I want to stay more disconnected from many things and or people.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Most of the directing really is about staying out of the way of healing, positioning ourselves so to let it have access to us.
I love this.
Stay out of its way. Live innately. That’s it.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for reminding me they are coming out all the time. This is reassuring as sometimes I forget. Sometimes it feels like I don’t push them back down, that they are stuck to begin with. This is not true.
If I follow an authentic life. Doing what appears right for me at that moment. Without over thinking. Working on being slower. Then perhaps the process will continue – as it should. The natural way. The way the body and soul want and need.
I spend a lot of time being preoccupied with “doing” the right things for appropriate healing. But perhaps I don’t have to direct myself so much. Or be so critical. I was and wane between feeling that I have to direct my healing and feeling that I can just “be. ” But what exactly does it mean to just be anyway. Sigh
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
enduring = healing
I thought about this since your last post. I observed how it felt. I am currently recovering from a flu-like illness, and interesting how illness can really affect the mind, the feeling of doom and dread. Especially for someone prone to emotional instability, a period of sickness can definitely take me to a lower mental state.
So I would think, enduring = healing. Yes, I am glad to feel. and finally make some progress
Then later in the day I would think, but will I really feel? I have trapped the feelings In so long, who is to stay they will “come out.” Will I just be sitting, suffering,waiting for them to?
Perhaps I don’t truly believe my feelings can “release.” The suppressed emotions can come out. The trauma can surface. Any of the terms. I don’t think I truly believe it can happen.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I will. Interestingly, I’ve always felt my whole life – why just succumb to what you’re feeling when you’re down. If I was 25 I would drink some coffee put some makeup on and be out with a friend in an hour. And much more like that.
To a point this ability was resilience. It was ability to rise above. But now – this ability no longer serves me. It’s run its course and now we are at depletion. And thus to succumb is to accept is to live.
Now I don’t know medically if “giving in” leads to improvement. As in there are medications out there for people to improve when they are feeling EXACTLY like this. But it is my innate feeling that for me, If I let myself truly feel for once. For not just a day or a week. If I really do it. It will teach me something. It will be real growth.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Worth a try. I will start here:
Simple terms from a child:
I feel tired, like I want to lay in bed all day and be cuddled.
I want a warm blanket.
I want quiet. I am getting irritable (as a child) by all this loud noise around me.
I want to shut off and rest. Like at the dinner rable my mom takes me and puts me to sleep upatairs where its quiet. Adults can continue but I want rest.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
interesting you explain it this way – yesterday when I was home feeling unwell, I spent the day just being my baseline. I didn’t drink coffee I didn’t look for any tasks to do. I was just there.
I found myself thinking. When I don’t try, and I just be – my baseline is quite weak, and numb. The frenzied energy and constant doing is actually a mask for what my TRUE baseline is.
Perhaps it is horrifying to feel that numb and hollow and thus it is my natural state to over engage. This and the fact that my job requires a lot of energy and mental focus.
You’re right those feelings are mine. Not hers. And yes they are repressed. Do you feel that if I spend more time just being. Like I did yesterday they can manifest more. I am no longer scared of feeling low energy and down. I now accept it as the reality and I would rather feel this way than a false source of adrenaline and running on fumes so to speak. Yes, I can not spend every day at home not doing much. But if I allow my baseline just to be – not over compensate, not over socialize, not overly drink coffee to be extra productive. If I stop all of that maybe my true essence will manifest more. And slowly release.
Given that I am always on – at work – at home always. Never feeling I can turn off. Perhaps I’m scared If I turn off I am pretty “dead” feeling inside. But I want to embrace what I am. I don’t want to mask it.
What do you think?
- This reply was modified 6 years, 4 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Yes mindful speech- which is more possible when I practice mindful living. A life that creates space for slowing down, not the habitual seeking frenzy that I do (constant running)
I was re-reading your earlier post, I have read it many times over this weekend. I would like you to elaborate further on this if you could: many women never adequately separate from their mother. To separate mentally, a woman has to see who her mother is. It is only then that she is able to see who she herself is. Most women (and men) see their unloving mothers as loving. The price to pay for such wrong seeing/believing is seeing oneself as not worthy of love and living a life according to such core belief
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
yes parenting my infantile mother. Always.
Yes I do agree that she did not possess guilt. I do. That’s the thing, she is devoid of appropriate emotion, by nature this is her pathology. She did know how to throw a good tantrum though. All tactics to get attention and pity. Power.
I believe that what I do is entirely different, it is more like it is a nervous energy that is expelled out of me. I know this because when I am calm and have slept well, and I am in a good place, I am a great listener, I am able to talk without interrupting others, my energy is much more different. But when I am under stress, when the week has been hectic, there has been poor sleep I sound very frantic and frenzied, and this is how I feel inside.
In regards to my husband in particular, I have learned the concept of blurting out from my mother. It is not that I am doing exactly as she did, but I do find myself feeling infantile in this way. Of course it is nothing like her motives and her level of pathology. But similar to a child, speaking without regarding what is the opportune or appropriate scenario. Once again this is not always, but when I am full of distress or uneasy energy it is exhibited outwardly like this.
Perhaps related or unrelated, the concept of patience is very difficult for me. I never was raised with a good understanding of what patience is. I did not understand that patience is a virtue, nor was I taught that. On the contrary many people are, and as adults they do exhibit patience. Because I don’t have a great concept of patience, I often feel that it is OK to respond immediately, react immediately. I do not always sink and savor given that I don’t trust this ability in myself. I often find that basic human characteristics such as these are lost on me, and my sister because of our observance of our parents. Our infantile pathologic parents that made it seem that reacting with angry outburst to the world, with negativity was an OK first response. The fact that I have empathy, and I am a good friend is entirely different than anything that I have been taught. I do commend myself for that.
I would like to work on patience, I would like to better sink and say were. I took a nap after I last spoke to you and when I woke up the first thought that went into my mind is this:
Nothing bad happens when you stop and pause.
I often have a fear that if I am not doing, thinking, talking etc. that I am lacking. I am missing something. In order to fully live I must do, in order to fully be involved in something, I must overdue, overthink, over talk. A day like today, which is a day off, alone, to able to go in and out of sleep, think, read, right. What did I miss? What was lost on me by doing – nothing
To do nothing is to be patient often. This is what I would like to work on
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for opening up this conversation with me, as it is important. I will try to explain both broad and specific.
I want to start with my mother. She was incapable of regulating her emotions, her distress, so it would blurt out at any time, inopportune times, any time. With no regard for what was going on in the other person’s life. Then she would be over-ridden with guilt for causing the other person distress, and then feel like a victim even more because she “can’t help herself.”
A generic example would be something like I am in my room studying for an exam, stressed, she comes in slowly with a worried look on her face. And I say what’s going on. She says oh its nothing. So I say no come on mom, I know something is wrong. So she begins to tell me about something ridiculous such as whether we need to wait to reply to an invitation because it may make us look desperate, anything. She then senses my annoyance, and I may even say this is not the right time for the conversation. So she then becomes sullen, and a woe is me, well I don’t know how to control it – because I felt worried and sad. Gosh I can’t help it.
I have this quality. I don’t have it with the average person. I have it with people who are closest to me. I have had this pattern in every long relationship (romantic) of mine (2 previous boyfriends).
I continue to have an issue with not thinking before speaking. Since all that has happened, I have told you that my husband has changed a lot. He has gone from quiet, supporter – to more of a traumatized angry person himself. Given that he has lived through all that has happened over the last few years and beyond, he is no longer blind to it.
He often says that I speak with nervous energy, talk just to talk. I never understood what he meant by that – but I see it now. I see that I often do this around others just to fill space. Perhaps I am feeling uneasy in my own self at that moment for whatever reason (well I always feel uneasy baseline because my body is full of repressed emotions) so this could be why.
Now my husband has an exam next week, and last week I did exactly what my mother does in above explanation. I would start talking about something triggering, stressful, or a topic I “know” would cause him active stress. It is as though while I am saying it, I don’t even realize, and have no control. And as soon as it is out I see – it is a habit, like a tic.
So what is in my way of implementing the practice of thinking first?
I think it has to do with my ability to process what I am going through inside me, on my own. I notice that my mother was never able to, it was blurted out to the universe every other second. Where did this lead? healing? no, all it did is make her more crazy and make those around her (us) more crazy. I am at risk of doing this to my husband. I already have. But my point here is that what is in the way is that I don’t have the appropriate coping mechanisms to deal with distress. Just like her.
A side example is this, while we were thinking about where to live a month or so ago, we went to visit a house. It was on the rural border of the town we were looking at, not by the city center, but the more isolated corner. I knew this, but it was something worth seeing just to see – why not. This was MY choice mind you. I went, with the real estate agent, was pleasantly surprised by the inside of the house, but had a strange sense of unease with the outside. I called my husband to stop by on his way home from work. he did.
So when we went home, I projected out. I started saying things like, I don’t want to live in an isolated big house, and there’s no one around there – and it may seem okay now but it will be so lonely in the winter. (ALL THINGS my mom used to say). and yes, those are objectively true in my case as the location was not the right fit. But see Anita, it was MY idea to check this house out, and even invite my husband to come see it, which he did happily. Just to go home and pretty much be angry at HIM for this home being a bad location, and almost blaming him and saying I don’t want to live in this sort of place!
To me this sounds like, someone who doesn’t have a good idea about what they are feeling, how to process it, and how to cope – it is projected out onto the first available supportive listener..
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
there are a lot of typos in my previous post as I was using voice text (speaking of talking too much!). What I mean to say is that I want the ability to sink and savor. To stop and think before speaking. It will help me and it will help my relationships. I often use my husband as a punching bag, blurting out anything that comes to mind without assessing if it is the time and place. Just to feel guilty after realizing how I stressed him (even though he likely won’t express it). It is a vicious cycle.
It it reminds me of my mother outpouring on me without any regard for what was going on in my life at that time.
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