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    jwhy
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    Dear anita,

    Thank you, you are very kind.

    About her tendency to go quiet : Well, I have noticed this tendency of hers in person too, though not always. I’ve asked her about it and she said that she used to say things when she was bothered that had hurt people and that she later regretted. So she figured this was a way to not cause unnecessary pain by saying things in the heat of the moment. I view this tendency as a good thing in general, and I do that too. But, given the LDR situation we found ourselves in, it becomes important to not prolong these quiet periods and communicate, since not doing so causes unnecessary pain too, defeating the purpose of being quiet.

    In Jan 2019, when I told her that she was my favorite person over a text, she said ‘thank you’ and that ‘this would be high on the list of her personal accomplishments’. I figured that was a no from her. But in hindsight, the mistake I made was not asking her explicitly what she meant by that and then not taking it further if my interpretation had been right.

    I am only guessing as to what her motive might have been when she asked me to move to the mountains. Since she had already told me she felt we didn’t spend enough time together (as a couple) for her to be sure, I think I should have gone the next step and asked her what she thought would have happened had I done so. I think that was a mistake on my part.

    I don’t want to portray her as a person who simply led me on and wasn’t forthright. I don’t believe that at all. She is, as I said earlier – kind, hard working, resourceful, lives sustainably and very beautiful. I think the truth may lie closer to what you said in an other thread about a LDR :

    I think that for most people, a long distance relationship is a lost cause because people .. need people in their presence, not far, far away. Reads like she enjoyed your company very much when you were in her physical presence, but away from you.. maybe she missed you but was tired of missing you, so she got involved in her daily life and let go of wanting you

    You treated her very well, but not enough to make up for the long distance, I am guessing

    I feel bad that we could not meet and try to find a way together. It’ll be really sad if we realize later that we gave up something special due to something beyond our control like the corona virus lockdown.

    Again, I really appreciate your replies to mine, and to many other threads on this forum. You are doing a lot of good. Do keep up your great work.

    -jy

    #347000
    jwhy
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    Dear anita,

    Thank your for your response. I want to begin by saying that sadly, the call I referred to in my second post was where we decided to call it off. I am very hurt, but having this conversation with you is helping me a lot in making sense of what has happened.

    To the point of she becoming quiet : In person, she’s not like this at all. She’s forthright, honest and voices her view with consideration. However, this has not been the case in our LDR during the quiet periods. When she is living in a place with almost not internet, we are left with calls and messages, and when those stop, I have been at a loss to find out what has happened.

    I started thinking about your point of there being more truth than what she chose to express. I need to add some more information for a picture to emerge here. When I expressed my feelings for her in Aug last year, one of the first things she said was that she was sorry for having led me on and she was aware of her tendency to do that. During our last call too, she said that she should have told me earlier about this not working for her. At a point during the call, I told her that we can plan future scenarios together, but each of us need to answer the fundamental question of – do you see a future together? I told her that any answer other than an emphatic yes was a no, and the answer from my side was yes. But she said her answer was not an emphatic yes. So, from all this, the picture that emerges points to the underlying truth – she did not seem to have a sustained romantic connection with me at all. She may have had moments and phases where she felt so (probably due to us getting close from calls, texts and letters), but every so often, she was questioning herself if this was something real for her. The quiet periods seem to be where she was in this mode. Another thing she told me during the call was that she was half-heartedly going along with the LDR thinking that my sincere affection will break it through, but she has realized that that was not enough.

    She has also told a few times that she feels I am sensitive, and she feels the needs to be cautious of what she says to me.  Hence, as you alluded to an underlying truth, the distance reason may well be a proxy for letting me know gently that she’s not feeling a strong enough romantic connection towards me.

    Finally, her motive for asking me to move to the mountains may have been to assess the strength of her romantic interest towards me, and it may not have turned out the way I would have hoped. My view of moving to the mountains, in contrast, was to commit to a life with her, not as a test of my interest in her. I think this is what you meant when you said –

    There are probably reasons and considerations in her mind that you need to know if you were to quit your job and move to a remote location with her!    and

    The fact that she goes quiet when she is troubled blocks you from crucial information, leaves you guessing, assuming what may not be true at all and making choices based on wrong assumptions.

    I don’t know when (whether) we’ll get in touch again. 🙁  When we do, I would like to ask her about this. I am hurt, and sad at the dissipating vision of a person I could have become with her by my side. I will miss the sense of joy and adventure she brought into my life.

    As I said in my first post, this was my first serious relationship (and from what it looks now, it was one-sided). Your answers have been illuminating and have helped (and will continue to help) me to understand what went wrong in what looked (to me atleast) something very special. I appreciate your time and effort very much.

    -jy

    #346856
    jwhy
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    Dear anita,

    Thank your for your response. You’ve got most of the story right. However, a couple of points :

    – Throughout the 2 years that we knew each other at office, we used to meet often, have lunch together, go for events and walks etc, and I think we got to know each other quite well. I hinted that I was interested in her last Jan, and from what I can tell, she sensed it too, but I didn’t come out and tell her openly. One of the reasons I didn’t tell her was that I figured her going away was a way for me to see if this was something real for me. That’s the reason I waited till I met her in August last year to let her know how I felt. So, our closeness was not only though calls, texts and letters – that happened when she went away – but we spent a lot of time together at office, and on weekends, with the time together increasing in the few months before she left. However, as you rightly pointed out, I don’t think both of us were in the boyfriend-girlfriend mindset when spending time (although I was in the last few months leading upto her leaving the job).

    – The idea of looking at moving to the country side in a few year’s time was something we discussed a few months back during one of those phases where she was unhappy with the distance. Over the next few days, she had agreed that this is something she was willing to do. However, things changed in the past few weeks when she again went through one of her quiet periods, which led to this situation.

    As an update, in our call yesterday, she felt that we haven’t spent enough time with each other for her to be sure. After reading your response, I am interpreting this as – she felt we haven’t spent enough time with each her – acting and spending time together as a couple – for her to be sure.

    Is there anything I can do now? or is she gone for good?

    I am glad that you’ve got the gist of the story. I appreciate your help.

    -jy

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