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  • in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #150548
    laelithia
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    Hi Anita,

    You are definitely right. I seem to still want to hold on to what could have been, when reality is not that way at all. I went to visit him because he came to visit me twice, I assumed it was a good sign, but looking back, he was simply in that “infatuation” stage.

    I know it is his pattern, but I really can’t believe how someone can be so intensely interested in someone, and the next day it all “disappears”.

    I’ve asked if he would meet me for coffee this weekend, and all he mustered was “I might be able to do coffee..”. When I asked when would work best for him since I would have to plan around it, he hasn’t replied. I’m not sure if I should even bother asking again or not. I simply cannot believe this is the same person I was so infatuated myself. He seems like a totally different person to me now, and that what happened with us was all a dream. It doesn’t even feel real anymore.

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    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #150390
    laelithia
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    Sorry Anita, I seem to have submitted that last response too early.

    Anyway, that is what he had sent to me days later. I could not then (and still cannot) understand the sudden change in his feelings for me. I recognize his pattern now with women, but what I don’t understand is why he reassured me so many times that this wouldn’t happen with us, that he truly saw a future, and that he was going to work hard to make it happen.

    I then start to ruminate about our last visit, and how I didn’t behave myself (ex. Having a meltdown/blow up while intoxicated) maintain boundaries (ex. Refuse to drink too much) and slowed the pace of the relationship rather than pressuring him to think about moving in with me/my city (essentially me putting my foot on the gas pedal). Do you still think after everything that this would have eventually been the outcome of our relationship no matter what I did or didn’t do?

    You asked about my precious long term relationship. It was “nice” for the most part, but it was lacking passion (at least on my end) from the very beginning. Near the end of the relationship, we were mostly friends/roommates. Since then, it seems any relationship I have had that is passionate and that I’m excited about seems to be short (1-4 months) and painful when it ends.

    I think this last breakup is particularly painful because with all the reassuring from him that we would be together long term, that he would work hard to make sure that happened, I was starting to believe I had finally broken this cycle, and that for the first time, someone I was so passionate about and wanted a future with finally felt the same way about me. Now I’m stuck with thinking what could have been, if I had been truer to myself in this last relationship?

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #150380
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I understand your car analogy, and how he said himself he needed to “put the brakes on”, but what I don’t understand is why the relationship when from 0 to 10 (him racing through) and then back to 0 just as fast, when we had agreed to take things slower. A few days afterwards, I was still hurt and confused by what had happened so I asked him again, and if he missed my company at all after over a month of being in constant contact with me, and he said “I don’t think I miss it. I liked it while we were together. But I think I was infatuated w your looks. That seems to have disappeared for me now

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #150352
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thank you again for your continued support and advice on this. As I’ve reflected today, I still don’t feel like everything is adding up. I know the last time we spoke he said I wasn’t his “type”, but he had never brought this up before, and in fact, had always told me the exact opposite. He would compliment specific parts of me, and comment on how lucky he was to be with me. I understand that could have been during his infatuation stage, but does that really change so quickly?

    I’m also confused by the ending of our relationship. I left his home on Tuesday morning, and by that evening, I had asked if everything was okay. He texted that it was but that he was concerned about making it to my city that weekend so soon, but I wasn’t satisfied and panicked and called him. He was aloof in that conversation, but I’m realizing now he would have felt bombarded (whether that’s appropriate or not). The next day he was quiet again, and this was the exchange we had:

    Me: Were you trying to hint to me that you want to be single and I just missed it?

    Him: I think so L. I’m just not sure I’m ready for this right now

    Me: What happened or changed? I’m not upset with you, I’m just trying to understand.

    Him: I think I just feel things moved too quickly… like I said last night. I need to put the brakes on, for the both of us. We’re alike in so many ways. We’re both rushing in.

    Me: I get that for sure. I was hoping we could do that and take things slowly, I think what we have is special. But are you thinking you would rather end things altogether?

    Him: Yeah… we do. I don’t know. Give me some time this morning please. I have a lot to do and to think about

    Me: Of course. Hope you have a good morning.

    We talked later that night, he still seemed distant, but he said he wanted to continue seeing me. When I asked if he wanted to date anyone else too, he said no. However, the next day is when I began to notice his snapchat score increasing quickly, which meant he was talking to someone other than me. On Thursday, after 2 days now of him being aloof but still warm (ex. Would still call me “baby”, ask how my day was, etc.) I couldn’t handle the suspicion anymore. I asked him if he could be honest with me, if was interested in someone else. He didn’t answer, and I panicked again and called him. He didn’t answer my call, but later when I said “please tell me the truth so I can move on” (hoping he would ask me not to) he said “I’m sorry L. I think that would be best”.

    I’ve read a lot of literature on the initial stages of dating and how men tend to pull away, and how it’s beneficial if you give them space rather than panicky and try to “fix” it or chase them. I’m debating with myself if that happened here, or if my gut instinct led me to confront him on the issue that would have happened eventually or not.

    I know a month isn’t very long, but I can’t help feeling like given his current pattern, it seems to be much longer than usual. To me, it feels like (at least at one point), I was his type, his “dream woman” as he put it, and wanted to be with me long term (with all the promises he was making me, such as saying our “monthiversary” was going to be one of many. This was just 4 days before we broke up). I wonder now, did I have a role in things ending this way, and could things have been different if I had been more calm and aloof myself? I worry that I presented myself as needy and desperate at the end, when throughout the relationship, I had not.

    More almost as though he completely lost value in me overnight, and I have never experienced that drastic of a change before. I feel very stuck to understanding that part of things. I think that you are right that I miss the love, care, and attention he provided for me. I’m worried now, more than ever and with my relationship experience, if I sustain any relationship with a man to do that and not abandon me.

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #150298
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I’ve been giving it some thought, and it does seem somehow that I’ve told myself that I can’t be loved. I don’t know why or when this happened, but it’s felt true for a while. I think how I’m feeling now is the result of finally believing that it was possible for me to be loved, that someone I really wanted also wanted me too, and then just as quickly it was all gone.

    I truly do want to move past this, to focus on reality rather than a fantasy. Is that why you suggested I meet with him in a different context, to see it things clearly as they are now?

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #150235
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I’ve reread what you’ve written a few times today, I think it’s helped in me realizing the reality of the situation. I wanted so desperately for what he said and promised me to be true, that even now when confronted with evidence that he was never going to stay forever, it’s difficult to let go of that dream.

    He told me was going to treat me better than any other man, so that we would always be together. But I can see now, with your analogy, he didn’t have the ability to care and nurture over time, just burn out and fade away.

    I’m trying to remind myself that even if he had stayed a while longer, he doesn’t have the skills to be a good long term partner. I’m so envious whoever the current woman in his life is now, but as you say, it’s likely she won’t last, either.

    Since this all has happened, I’ve been on dates with two other men. They both seem far more committed to being in a relationship, but I still find myself (as much as I wish I wouldn’t!) wishing it was him that I was sitting across, that none of this ever happened, that he had followed through with his promises. I see a picture of his face, and I’m transported back to all wonderful emotions I felt with him, then horribly sadness and pain that it is no longer. He was my ideal “type” and although he said last time I wasn’t his, unfortunately it didn’t change my preference for someone like him to be with me.

    Do you think this will change within time? I’m worried that I will always feel the pain of him betraying, replacing, and rejecting me. And that I will always compare men to him, and they will never feel right. He was so beautiful, this perfect man of mine, I feel inconsolable that he’s now gone.

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #150161
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I think this makes a lot of sense. I am going to wait to see if I hear from him on Monday, and go from there.

    You mentioned that in the context of our short relationship, you believed he was sincere in his feelings. In my heart of hearts, I believe that too. You also wrote that I didn’t know all that I knew then as I do now. This is also true. Of everything that I have told you about this situation, do you think there is any way that the outcome could have been different than what it is now?

    Like I’ve said before, with everything I know, I’m not sure things could ever work between him and I. I’m not sure I could ever trust him. However, when we were together, I would have trusted him with my life. He didn’t even look at other women, let alone speak/flirt with them. I keep asking myself now, was there anything I could have done to keep him in that mindset? Did my behaviour last time I saw him impact his decision? It just still feels so painful how he went from being so loving, to seemingly indifferent to me. That he began dating/replacing me the day after I left.

    I know he was fresh out of a relationship (although he initiated the break up), I wonder if he was “rebounding” with me and that I shouldn’t have gotten caught up in the fast forwarding. I don’t know really, but every morning I wake up, wondering how this all happened, and truly missing the man of my dreams, even if it was only for such a short time. I would have done anything for him, that past version of him, and I believe he would have done anything for me. I don’t understand where he went..

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #150057
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I think actually this is a good idea. I feel like as soon as I see him (it’s been a month now) I will know 1) how I truly feel about him, and 2) I will be able to see how he feels about me.

    He said he’s going to message me when this girl that is staying with him leaves on Monday. I’m wary of even entertaining getting back together with him, as he seems so fickle right now. I think really what keeps me thinking about the whole thing is I can’t help but wonder what would have happened if I took things slower with him. If I had not got infatuated with this fantasy future, too. Part of me feels like we would still be dating, but at a regular, healthy pace.

    On the other hand, he said something on the phone call Thursday that sort of confused me. At first he said he didn’t know why his feelings for me changed the last weekend we spent together, but that he just didn’t think I was “the one”. Then, later in the phone call, he said he realized “I like my type for a reason”, implying I wasn’t his type. When I asked what his type was, he said “I don’t know, blue eyes, Caucasian”. I’m mixed trace (Asian and European) and definitely don’t have blue eyes. He said there was that initial infatuation because he’s never dating someone like me before.

    I don’t know if this is something I should just accept, or if he’s simply looking for something to say to get me to stop asking, or what that’s about. I don’t get how that somehow was an issue the last time we saw each other, when before that, he told me constantly how “gorgeous” and “beautiful” I was, and how adorable our future children would be.

    I suppose I’ll wait to see if I do hear from him after that girl leaves. Perhaps all of this is irrelevant, perhaps she is “the one” for him. However, given his track record, I would be surprised that after staying with him for a week straight that he didn’t change his mind about her, too. Or maybe he will romance her for a little longer, like he did with me, who knows.

    Either way, my gut instinct is telling me that seeing him in some sort of capacity, like for coffee, would provide me with these answers I’m looking for. The difficult part is that he lives 3 hours away, and I’m not sure if he would agree to meeting.

     

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #150029
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thank you for your additional ideas, they are very helpful and I plan to move forward with them. I’m not sure now how to stop focusing on the last man, my desire to feel heard, loved, and accepted seems still to be tied to him. I feel embarrassed to admit it, but I still long for that person to come back, for him to continue to see me in that light, to be there for me. He told me that I’m the only woman he’s told these dark things about himself (I don’t know if it’s true, but he does seem genuine when he said so), and in some ways, I feel a sort of kinship with him because of it. I truly don’t think he’s an evil person, as you’ve mentioned, but definitely not very self aware and a dreamer also, like me.

    Right now, I can’t seem to feel like the connection I felt with him is possible with anyone else. It’s like he holds the key to that part of me, and it feels “wrong” that things are no longer that way. However, then I question myself, do I really want to be with this person, now that I know everything that I do? And I can’t say for sure that I know the answer to the question. I feel everything began and ended too quickly for me to process “what could have been”. Part of me feels like there’s a possibility in time we could find a way, and part of me feels like not only is it unlikely, but that I shouldn’t want that. What are your thoughts on the matter, and about him and the possibility of us ever being together in the future?

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #150019
    laelithia
    Participant

    Oh Anita, thank you so much for your patience and diligence in rereading my posts. I had tears in my eyes as I read your most recent post. I think you are 100% right, and I think the reason I was not feeling like other advice I had gotten was getting it right was that it was so focused on him being a player, deceiving purposefully, and outright narcissistic. I believe you have it correct, in that he did believe in that time, that I was “the one”, that he believes it’s possible every time he gets involved with a woman.

    I did not have a difficult or traumatic childhood, my parents provided the best care that they could and I had many opportunities (private school, extracurricular activities, clothes/toys, etc.), however I longed so deeply to be seen by them, to be heard, to hear loving words of affirmation. However neither parent was given that by their own parents growing up, I don’t think they had the ability to do so for me. I’m the second born of four children, all within five years. I think my parents were incredibly stressed between providing for us financially and trying to care for each of us, but my younger sister was born just 18 months after me and has always had a much better relationship with my mother than I ever did. I tried so hard to get her attention, I would clean the house as a child during the nights to surprise her, I would work so hard at school, I would try to engage with her. But she was emotionally aloof, and often deferred to spending time with my sister. Over the years I began to resent my sister, I did not treat her well, and this proved to worsen my relationship with my mother, and further my inner dialogue of feeling unworthy of her attention, and ultimately unlovable.

    Now that I have recognized this fully, I would hope that my feelings regarding this situation would change. However, I still long for that person to come back, the man that “loved” me so much, that treated me so well. But I can tell his feelings have changed, he said it happens often, and that he never goes back to an ex. The truth is at this point, I don’t think I would believe him if he came back claiming to love me, to want to be with me, which is irrelevant anyway, since I don’t think he ever would. I don’t know how to move forward now, because I think what I long for is impossible. I want HIM, this perfect version of this man, that 1) doesn’t want me anymore, and 2) is fundamentally different now that what I wanted. I don’t find any other men attractive anymore, I don’t want to try again, I just feel so stuck…

    Do you have any ideas of where I should go from here? I’m so saddened by all of this, and I truly do want to heal.

    Again, I cannot thank you enough for the help you have already given me. You have helped me more than the therapist I am seeing! I’m eternally grateful.

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #149877
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Those are very valid and I think important points. I was counting up the days, and it was actually 13 rather than 7 over the span of a month, but still, not very long at all. I think because we talked so frequently (the only time we weren’t in contact was when we were sleeping or when I was with clients at work), it felt like so much longer. I think also that we were constantly sending pictures back and forth (on Snapchat), that it created a sense of closeness and intimacy, like I knew him more than I really did.

    I spoke with him on the phone today. I simply could not resist myself, and since it has now been 1 month after this all ended, I figured I might as well get some closure. I’m not sure really what I got from it. He was at the gym, with the newest girl. I asked him if it was the same one as last time we spoke, but no, she was new. That means this is his fourth girl since me. He told me he matched with her on a dating app while he was up north for work, and now that he has time off, she is staying with him for the week. I laughed at this point, not maliciously, just more at the absurdity of his pattern of behaviour. I stayed with him for 5 days the last time we met, too. He told me she lives up north (4 hours away), but that he really likes her, that they have so much in common, that it’s possible she’s “the one”.

    The more I think about, the more ridiculous I see his behaviours. Yet I still seem to be at best interested in what he’s up to, and at worst, obsessed with it. The strangest part of the phone call was how I felt about it. I was a bit jealous I suppose in that he was spending time with a new person and that he seems to be so into her and has now rejected me, but I don’t think I felt sad/devastated/depressed about it. I’m starting to feel like this really has nothing to do with him at all, but something to do with myself and my patterns of behaviour. That somehow focusing on him and how I can’t be with him, my “dream guy”, is some sort of distraction from myself, and deeper issues I have.

    Specifically, I’m starting to worry that I actually like these doomed relationships, that a healthy, committed relationship seems “boring” to me. I’m not sure when this started to happen, but I think it’s been a long time. I was in a healthy relationship between the ages of 18-25, we had a house together and 2 dogs, yet I didn’t seem happy. At the end of our relationship, I began pursuing an online/LDR with an older man whom I had known since I was 17. Somehow that seemed more attractive/exciting that my current “boring” life, even though it was also doomed to fail. I wonder how I can go about changing this internal dialogue, that I can start to see healthy relationships with healthy boundaries and true love and respect as wonderful and exciting in themselves, rather than these toxic, hot/cold relationships I’m accustomed to.

     

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #149659
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,
    I’m trying to do just that. I have started a list of reasons why he wouldn’t have made a good long term partner, but I can’t help but feel like I want to add to every one “but he could change if he wanted to”. I think I feel personal failure that I wasn’t fully able to motivate him to change. I think he was at the beginning, for a month or so, but I didn’t even realize that was a “better” version of himself. I just thought that was who he was. I wish I had known better, that I didn’t give him such a hard time for things that worried me, rather just sat back and observed more. I wish I didn’t get so upset the last time I saw him and I wish I hadn’t have had too much to drink and cried about our argument. I don’t think any of that would have happened though if I had maintained better boundaries, if I had not had too much to drink and took care of myself better. I suppose this is a difficult lesson to learn, and even more difficult not to take responsibility for the whole relationship failing.

    I’m really struggling being confident in my ability to point out what part of this was his doing, and what part of it was my insecurities, projections, and fantasies. It’s very, very difficult and I feel like I’m learning a new skill and not very good at it! If it were you, what would you add at the top of “The Truth” list?

    Thank you again so much for your help. It’s so appreciated, as always.

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #149657
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi X,
    Thank you so much for your detailed reply. It really helped me realize that I’m not the only one out there feeling this way! Your relationship was much longer than mine, but I can definitely identify the feeling of shock when it seems to be such a drastic change so quickly. I’m glad to hear that you did feel attraction from someone else. I think what I am struggling with now is that I’ve tied so much of my contentedness with his physical being. I felt so good and safe when he wrapped his arms around me. He’s tall, in very good shape, and he felt so good just to cuddle with. I don’t know that I’ve ever felt so safe with someone, which is ironic based on what has now happened. I’m angry with myself that I constantly compare other men to him and his appearance, and I still seem to find him more attractive, and unique looking. I really hope this fades, as it’s the only positive connection I have left towards him. Everything else is gone, he is not kind and sweet and nurturing to me any longer. So much so that the last conversation we had he even disclosed to being with other women after me. It was such a painful shock, this just 2 weeks after him reassuring me that he was 100% mine, that he didn’t even care about other women anymore. I recognize this now as lies, as painful as it is, but I can’t get over how convincing he was, how he was able to truly get me to believe and fall for him. I long to ask him, if he knew all that he was about to do to me, or if he really felt at the time that I could be “the one” to “fix him”, to make him want to change for the better.
    I have been reading Baggage Reclaim for a while now, it’s been very helpful. I just started reading her new book, it’s called The Dreamer and the Fantasy Relationship, and I definitely identify with being a “dreamer”. I’m only now feeling like I’m accepting even a little of the reality of the situation, it feels like a fog is slowly clearing, but it is very difficult.
    Thank you for pointing that out about it being his behaviour and not about my self worth. I still long to know what happened for him that changed his mind, but you’re right, it doesn’t matter. Whatever could have happened between us wouldn’t have lasted a lifetime, as much as he promised me otherwise. He would say things about us growing old together, and how he was so happy to have finally met his soulmate. I’m still struggling with understanding how someone could say those things and not truly mean them, but I think if I’m truly honest with myself, I don’t think even then I really thought we would make it throught the test of time. I just really, really wanted us too. I truly believed he had learned from his past relationships and the mistakes he had made, but it seems like I was just one more notch on his belt, one more woman he had hurt and forgotten about. I don’t think he thinks of me at all anymore, I don’t think it would bother him if I lived or died. That is the most heartbreaking thought.
    Another layer that really hurts, is that I feel I should have known better. I myself am a young psychologist, and I should have spotted this sooner. However, I’m a romantic at heart, and I turly believed at the time that the pace of our relationship was moving so quickly because we were truly right for each other. I have never felt so intimately connected to someone before, and that truly scares me now, as I was totally wrong. He didn’t feel the same about me at all, but he totally convinced me otherwise. It hurts to admit that, but I gave my heart, body, and soul to someone that is not real…
    He told me that he loved every part of me, that he felt that we were always meant to be, that he had never felt this way about anyone before. I just can’t shake how sincere he seemed then, all the time he spent making sure I was feeling good and positive and checking in on me throughout the day. He remembered little details about my life, he seemed genuinely interested. I’ve never had someone pay that close attention to me and my needs before, but I guess that is how he plays his game and why he is so good at it. I sincerely hate that none of what I experienced from him was “real”.
    I wonder the same questions as you, X. I feel I am doing all this work to discover myself and to uncover negative patters, and I worry now that I will almost become TOO insightful for my own good, or at least to find a partner that is a match to me. I hope I can find that spark again one day, but I almost wish I never met this person whom I did feel such a spark with, as now I feel it’s been replaced with a very heavy heart.

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #149541
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    You are so, so right! I think I have a penchant for doing that quite frequently, going back and trying to edit the past, remembering only what I want to. Do you have any suggestions for me, to keep myself grounded in reality and focused on the truth? With this particular person, I seem to be stuck reliving the good and minimizing the bad, and I do not want to do that any longer.

     

    Thank uou again so much for your help, I can’t tell you how much it’s meant to me!

    in reply to: Getting over infatuation with someone who wasn't real #149461
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Susannah,

    You make an excellent point. I think because I was truly smitten, I projected that belief onto him (although he did lie and say he was to me numerous times) instead of really objectively observing his behaviour rather than his words. If he was truly smitten for me, you’re right, he wouldn’t have just moved on to the next list of girls so quickly and easily.

    He had said to me in the past he had moved on to new relationships quickly to distract himself, but I believed him when he said he was certain he wasn’t doing that with me. He said that I was special, “one of a kind”, and that he knew I was the one for him. After it all ended, it was like he had forgotten he had said any of it to me. I hate thinking that he knew what he was doing all along, that he knew I was going to get hurt. The ad thing he said to me was “I apologize for it all L… I do feel like a piece of sh*t”. Which I suppose means that he is acknowledging what he did was wrong and not simply a case of him changing his mind. It really stings, but I suppose this is what I need to truly move on.

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